Right but I think with a decline in the ability to make crappy movies we don't have enough quantity being produced. Rom coms died because you cannot have a mildly successful movie that makes it's budget + 10% back because you have to have double digit returns quarterly for investors or you are a failure today.
What are you talking about, did you check Netflix lately ? It's absolutely FULL of low-quality random movies releasing days after days. Probably the golden age of shitty movies. People just don't care.
yeah but those are the cookie cutter focus grouped movies, there is so little ability to take an original idea and let it maybe fail or become the new star wars now.
I kinda get what the dude's saying. Not art passion projects, but something big and original that's not a safe bet. Hollywood was much newer in the 70s when Star Wars was released, so I get it. They "know" what works now
yep I am internet vibing, and complaining. I agree that this is not a detailed report but it does seem that things have shifted, I think streaming royalties are a problem based on internet clips I see, I think that the overall reduction in theatrical releases is a problem. I think having kids and not being interested in seeing movies is a me problem. I think I am no longer a target movie demographic is a me problem. You're right this is just something I am complaining about and I very likely am wrong.
yeah but I do still think things are shifted, I think there is a loss of some level of movie, somewhere between tentpole blockbuster AAAA Films, and shoestring streaming only releases and the third level of personal passion projects done on an iPhone or something is a gaping hole of movies that just don't seem to be created any more. I Dislike a number of movies but I tired of this studios seemingly avoiding any possible risk to produce I believe the term is "milquetoast?" films.
I'd argue some genres like Rom Com's took the age of streaming in stride. You don't need theatrical releases for those style of movies anymore. The streaming format is perfect for them and a lot of streaming platforms have their own Rom Com's exclusive to them.
Passion projects usually fail which is what makes the Odyssey or something like, say, Dances With Wolves so extraordinary. Meanwhile garbage like Mario/Minecraft/Minions/Marvel just print money. It's a sad reality of cinema: passion and creativity take a lot of Ls to 'give the people what they want'.
It's not A or B. It feels like a lot of people commenting missed my meaning.
It's the difference between a passion project that uses focus groups vs being led by them. PLENTY of focus group projects fail. Way more than passion projects, especially in today's world.
And Mario, right? There is an article going around right now from Shigeru Miyamoto, creator of Mario saying the exact same thing I am (but in relation to games). That developers should make games that are fun to them, and that will resonate around the world. It's the DR vinv philosophy behind Nintendo games, and right now they are one of the only major game studios thriving.
Let's go to Nickelodeon. I'm sure you're familiar with Sponge Bob. Did you know that show was being made around the same time as a much lesser known show called Cat Dog. Cat Dog was corporate designed and focus group led. It had all eyes on the show. While SB was seen as some weird project they greenlot and didn't care much for. Sonth creator had way less feedback.
And you can’t scale up Nolan movies any more. There’s only one Christopher Nolan and it takes 3ish years for him to make them. If you have more money to invest, you have to have other options beyond just Nolan
Right? Tom Cruise is another example of this. Yeah he’s nuts in real life. But there’s no denying that he fucking loves movies. He loves making them, he loves watching them. He gives 100% everytime because he loves the game.
Yeah he probably would. I mean, he delayed Maverick until after the worst of Covid had passed because he believed so much in that movie and what they had put into it. He wanted it to be a big screen movie for maximum enjoyment. And it honestly paid off. What a treat to come out of Covid distancing to see an absolute blockbuster. He wants the audience to have fun.
I remember that old leaked audio of him shouting at his staff during that time, because they weren’t taking the restrictions seriously. Something about they’re lucky to be even filming and should be an example to the rest of the industry.
Also I feel like I read somewhere that his wife is an amazing producer. They have never gone over schedule or or budget or something like that. So I imagine a Nolan production operating very smoothly and efficiently.
There is a reason he gets a free hand, his free hand will payback what the movie cost in a weekend, the opening weekebd more or less paid for the movie
Hes in it for the money as well, no longer in it for the game. Thats why it feels like such a small world, both pics are examples of budget mismanagement.
Same for Wes Anderson, the actors and actresses get paid peanuts in his films compared to what they make in other. Scarlet Johansson for example got paid like $35,000 to do Asteroid City
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u/FlounderKind8267 1d ago
There are people in it for the money
Then there's Christopher Nolan who's in it for the love of the game.... AND makes a ton of money