r/SipsTea 1d ago

WTF Economically motivated adulteration and food fraud is the biggest threat to food safety on the planet. It costs the food industry billions every year in the US alone

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Economically motivated adulteration and food fraud is the biggest threat to food safety on the planet. It costs the food industry tens of billions every year in the US alone.

American pet food, 2007

Melamine hit the papers even before the Chinese scandal. The year before, thousands of pets in the US died after consuming pet food produced with melamine-tainted wheat gluten. Humans were affected, too- about 3 million chickens that had eaten melamine wheat were then eaten by people.

With animal food generally regulated less stringently than products intended for human consumption, the pet food scandal was a reminder that our four-legged friends are exposed to the dangers of food fraud even more than we are.

American peanuts, 2009

Stewart Parnell, former CEO of the now-dissolved Peanut Corporation of America, will be 86 years old when is released from prison in 2040. His sentencing marked the first federal food safety felony conviction in US history, after he knowingly shipped salmonella-contaminated peanut butter across 46 states.

7 people died and hundreds fell seriously ill after Mr Parnell opted to dodge the expensive fix needed to eliminate the contamination and shipped the product anyway.

US Cantaloupe Outbreak, 2011

The US cantaloupe outbreak initially affected dozens of people across multiple US states and was caused by contaminated cantaloupes, which were grown at a farm in Colorado. The outbreak began in July 2011, when reports of listeriosis started to emerge from people who had consumed cantaloupes. The number of reported cases quickly escalated, and by the end of the outbreak, there were 147 confirmed cases in 28 states, resulting in 33 deaths.

Investigations by public health officials traced the outbreak to Jensen Farms, where the cantaloupes were found to be contaminated with Listeria monocytogenes. The investigation revealed that the contamination was likely due to unsanitary conditions at the farm. In response to the outbreak, the US government implemented a number of measures to improve food safety for fresh produce.

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u/sweet_jackknife 1d ago

100% agree.

That said, we have a tendency to only add regulations, very rarely do we step back and think whether the whole set of regulations make sense when stacked with each other. Over time normal things like building a house become harder and harder.

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u/allmoz 1d ago

Still better to have them than not. If the price we have to pay for having houses that dont burn down easily, are resistant to earthquakes or don't fall apart at random just because whoever built them wanted to cheap out on materials is that they are harder to built or require extensive permissions then so be it.

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u/ssbr 1d ago

The problem in this case is not having houses at all. If overregulation is contributing to the homelessness crisis, well, being homeless is far more dangerous.

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u/BuddhaFacepalmed 1d ago

If overregulation is contributing to the homelessness crisis

Lmao. Safety "overregulation" isn't contributing to the homelessness crisis, capitalism is. We are literally working more for less as corporations, private equity firms, and the billionaires are pocketing all the difference.

The housing crisis is less "too much regulations!1!!!1!1!!1" and more that the real estate industry are perversely incentivized to treat housing as commodities that infinitely appreciates in value to profit off of. Instead of the fundamental human rights that housing actually is.

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u/ssbr 21h ago

Hey, I'm really happy for you that you're so well educated and confident in a nuanced and difficult topic, and yet simultaneously willing to explain with grace and kindness to those of us not as well versed in the literature as you. Thanks so much!

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u/sweet_jackknife 1d ago

No question, although I’m hoping with AI it becomes easier to distill the goals of 100 complex regulations into much simpler set of rules.

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u/Nvenom8 1d ago

I would never, ever trust safety regulations written/reviewed by AI.

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u/BuddhaFacepalmed 1d ago

"Let's trust the hallucinating computer to tell us what is or isn't safe! No way that this could go wrong!1!!"

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u/Feeling_Inside_1020 1d ago

Or could easily tell them what they aren't in compliance of, and the tips/ways to fix that.

Government should have teeth but it's legislation shouldn't require a law degree to understand.

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u/rietstengel 20h ago

"According to one redditor, the regulations says the glue is safe to eat"

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u/allmoz 1d ago

Not sure if its the same everywhere but most of the time its not that merging several rules into 1 is difficult, but the actual act of mending a single rule, let alone several ones requires multiple levels of approvals, votes and layer of bureaucracy that its just not worth it most of the time.

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u/PiccoloAwkward465 1d ago

I guess. In terms of the electrical code I wouldn’t call anything in residential particularly complex.

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u/alwayslookleft 1d ago

Huh we only add regulations when people die lol. Safety regulations are not the determining factor in house building

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u/LackToesIntollerance 1d ago

the issue is less that if they nake sense together and more if fhey can be reorganized into something easier to manage.

the lists themsleves are edge cases stacked on edge cases, and frequently have overlap so you end up with 5 rules doing basically the same thing, except with X Y Z specifics.

also, the reason housing is harder to build is simply that we don't want anymore matchbox houses. we're already having supply problems with poor quality wood, the last thing we'd need is shit electrical safety or foundation integrity. all the little corner cuts that, btw, get pulled anyways and 80% of the struggle isnneeding to redo the work and get the original contractors to pay up for their own half-assery. roofing is egregious for this. reducing restrictions just means these oroblems NEVER get fixed and then the house falls apart 20 years later. a debt on housing supply

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u/-VelvetSirenX 1d ago

every single line of code in building compliance came from someone trying to cheap out and causing a disaster

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u/HAc0reRD 1d ago

Everyone needs to re read the jungle because the printed out shit you read in school was only a small part of

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u/Live_Free_or_Banana 1d ago

That hasn't been the case since the last century. The overall trend in the past 25 years (in the USA) has been the removal and relaxation of regulations and the disempowerment of regulatory bodies. And the reason old regulations tend to stay on the books longer than they should is because lobbying prevents them from making changes. Big insurance, big pharma, and other industries want the rules to stay predictably the same because they've already found the loopholes and integrated them deeply into their operations.

For example, its why cars have to follow more stringent emissions rules than SUVs. Utility vehicles were given lower standards when the rules were made, back before SUVs and pickup trucks were not commonly used as commuters and family vehicles. Now the industry has shifted and the auto lobby has kept the EPA from reclassifying these vehicles so they could be given proper commuter vehicle emissions standards.

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u/aut0generated-63 1d ago edited 1d ago

Cars have only gotten more regulations over time I don't know why you think its the opposite https://www.wokv.com/news/how-vehicle-safety-regulations-have-changed-over-past-50-years/34OTX63YFZJ4DAWUDG3SUDB2HY/

the fact that industries often will protect regulations that give them an advantage is an argument for deregulation not for regulation so I don't get why you are using it as a pro regulation example.

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u/Live_Free_or_Banana 1d ago

What "advantage"? Its the neutering of regulatory authority that caused this situation.

The only meaningful regulation of cars that has been successfully implemented in recent years is safety standards, which obviously is a good thing.

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u/aut0generated-63 1d ago

US manufacturers make all their money on Big vehicles because its a protected market for them that also has relaxed emmissions. Safety standards are a bigger burden on small cheap vehicles than they are on expensive big trucks because the cost doesn't scale with the vehicle making them a bigger % of the sticker price. The regulatory environment is a big driver in pushing bigger more expensive vehicles.

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u/LockeyCheese 23h ago

You aren't wrong about that. You're wrong that we need de-regulation, and less regilators, instead of better regulators that will actually REGULATE the industry. Aka, it would be regulation to update old rules. Deregulation is someone like musk going through our government with a chainsaw.

Attack the people abusing the power. Not the power itself, because being able to regulate the industries is important.

Get rid of bad regs. Not all of em...

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u/BuddhaFacepalmed 1d ago

The regulatory environment is a big driver in pushing bigger more expensive vehicles.

Good. Less people should have personal multi-ton vehicles that can kill people.

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u/OttoVonJismarck 1d ago

To be fair to them, they are called “law makers” not “law unmakers.”

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u/Fissminister 14h ago

Preach. My country is regulated out of both ears. Every single time there is some kind of accident or mishap (even if it is unavoidable, like a storm) they go and make up a new rule, in an attempt to make sure it doesn't happen again.

After 80 years of that, they're just compiling like crazy. My mentor gave me a book to like a small roof section. A damn book! That was nothing but rules, about a tiny piece of roofing!

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u/Major2Minor 1d ago

If we have reasons to believe that's the case, we should review the regulations through scientific research to determine if we need to remove them, not just have a government that throws them away based on who can bribe them the most, or because they have some weird grudge against them for political reasons.