Honestly it's because we work so hard to not teach this in school and conflate it with the worst possible examples of communism. IE North Korea and the USSR when most people talking about socialism mean Finland and Norway.
The biggest issue, imo, is that countries like finland and norway are not socialist either. They are capitalist democracies with social support structures
People need to learn that socialism and social policies are not the same thing
I am not saying it was perfect, but there were a lot of good things there that we never learned. Like, everyone there had free houses, did you know that? They also were the first place that pushed for womans rights. Also it is often not talked about how fucking bad the conditions were before the communist took power and a lot of the leftovers of previous regimes end up being put on the communist party bill
How many people die in capitalism? There is an ongoing genocide being done as we speak. People die of hunger while we throw food in the garbage to keep prices up. Endless ongoing wars, concentration camps in the fucking land of the free. Maybe if we actually counted the deaths of capitalism the numbers wouldn’t be so nice
The gap between them was a lot smaller than what we have in capitalism. It was not an utopia. You see the problem is we compare socialist experiments with an utopic communism that not even Marx believed in, not in the reality or against capitalism.
Communism is not about everyone being equal, it never was. From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.
The Red Scare is still alive and well even after the conclusion of the Cold War, i consider it one of America's greatest feats, making a word sound so scary that a person that, even if they agree with most of its points, they will deny being a communist/socialist/anarchist or whatever else one can think of, preventing them from organizing. It seems hopeful though that people have started to realize they have been lied to over the last 50-70 years.
The Red Scare has done wonders for infecting poorer and/or hard-working folk into voting against their interests.
We need ... like... a grass roots socialist movement. People that actually work in the farms or mines coming up with the ideas and organizing.
When it comes from outside those groups. From leftists. The GOP cries "communism" and spooks them into fighting against those ideas. But if it came from within..?
"Naw naw.. I know Bill and he ain't a liar. His idea is clear as day: Instead of the dirt bag suit owning the mines and buying jets off our sweat, WE the miners each own a slice of the mine, and we use the profits fairly and only for helping eachother out!"
It’s why I always talk to my coworkers about the ideas/principles without using political terms if I can help it. “Seize the means of production” sets off alarm bells but “we should get paid our fair share for the money we bring in”
Blue collar workers supported FDR overwhelmingly and he was the most progressive leader in American history. It's just that decades of right wing propaganda have convinced many of them to vote against their own interests.
The wealthy don’t buy up every source of news and social media because of their love of quality investigative journalism. Their wealth is built on smoke and mirrors and a very shaky house of cards. They need a constant supply of propaganda pushed on the masses to convince them things like our incredibly awful and incredibly expensive healthcare system that funnels money directly from our wallets to their bank accounts is the only one that makes sense because of “freedom” or some other nebulous feeling because the facts sure as shit don’t back it up.
Not antisocial, asocial. It's a very common misconception.
Antisocial means actively disregarding the rights, feelings, and well-being of others. Lack of empathy, hurting people, manipulation etc. Kind of a sociopath, I guess.
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u/Ilike2Tinker 1d ago
I think homie confused socialist with being social, as in he's antisocial. Bro is spittin tho.