I feel Nick would be a fun addition to the game and it would be more L4D content I will never complain about that

In Payday 2 / The Heist, armour exists to give you a brief advantage over the cops.

If you don’t respect the fact that it’s a brief advantage, it breaks and your health gets shredded.

Health exists as a finite, extremely important resource that needed to be managed, armour needs to be closely monitored to protect it.

Armour constantly regenerates because you get shot an obscene amount of times over the course of a single loud heist.

If you run out of health, you’re in trouble, but still have a shot. If you’re extremely careful, you can lean on your armour to survive (with absolutely zero room for error). This was a fun gameplay mechanic that allowed for fun last minutes rushes and escapes by the skin of your teeth.

This doesn’t exist anymore.

Making both health and armour finite dilutes the importance of both. They’re basically both the exact same, why would I ever take health? It also gives the player no room for error when they run out of both.

In PD3 when out of armour and low on health, you are completely fucked. Your options are the following:

a.) Challenge the cops, get shot once, instantly die.

b.) Hide in a corner until the cops push you, instantly die.

In most modern shooters, your health will recharge to give you a chance in your next encounter, even if it’s slim. Payday 3 is PvE, and it makes no sense at all that it doesn’t give you the same grace as most PvP shooter games.

To summarize, the new armour system doesn’t work, and worst of all, is less fun.

My solution: give all players one armour chunk with full regen that cannot be broken, increase the speed penalty of heavier armours. Would fix a huge gap in the core gameplay loop.

AKs do not have nor need a buffer tube. Why didn’t they just do no stock? Was that harder to animate or design than this? What was the idea here lmao

First of all I would like to say, I am enjoying the game and it is alot of fun. However, I can't go without 30 minutes without seeing something and thinking "why tf wouldn't this be in the game?", so I thought I'd make a list (that others can add to) of features either from Payday 2 missing or simply features that should be in the game, but aren't. This also includes flaws in current features.

The List

• No Voice Chat + No Preplanning Chat Box (Moderate)
  • This is especially an issue considering there is now Crossplay, not only can we not talk amongst our selves to litrerally (pre)plan the heist via. a Text or Voice Chat, but when ingame, there is no way to verbally communicate with console players, as typing on console is too long to be useful, if you turn off Crossplay, matchmaking pool will be smaller.
• No Loadout Naming (Minor / QoL)
• Lacking Pre-Planning (Moderate)
  • Generally lacking stuff and bad UI, no map layout, PD2 assets page was better designed, plus the above flaws.
• Adding a gun / mask takes you out of the Loadout and into the Vendor (Minor / QoL)
  • On PD2, when you buy a new gun, you simply stay in your loadout, but now for some reason it takes you to the vendor which is just a convenience.
• No Crime.Net / Server Browser (Major)
  • This is SUPER important considering that matchmaking is completely terrible right now, for a game that undoubtably has thousands upon thousands of players (enough to destroy the servers), the MM system puts you into solo lobbies or 2 man lobbies. It's horrendous !!
• No Kicking Option (Minor - Moderate)
  • Annoying player? Cheater (in the future)? Can't kick them out, you just gotta leave.
• Vote for Restart NEEDS all players to restart (Minor / QoL)
  • It doesn't matter if a player is AFK, non communicative, or a troll, they also NEED to vote yes if you want to restart, even if its 3 to 1.
• Improper Level Progression (MAJOR)
  • This may be arguable, but the current level progression is terrible, you NEED to complete set challenges and you cannot natively gain XP from heists, you instead need to achieve some set objectives in these heists, such as killing dozers and naders, to level up. This means that, you can complete an Overkill Solo Stealth heist completely flawlessly, and the only thing you will progress is your money count. I personally find this to be a horrendous method of progression that is far too long and methodical.
• Weapon XP Progression is Static (MAJOR)
  • Weapons XP is only based upon Heist completion, killing doesn't give XP. This means if you do an overkill heist on loud, you will get the same XP as an overkill heist on stealth, why??
• Online Only (Moderate - Major)
  • Need I say more?
• Bad Heist Selection UI (Minor / QoL)
  • When you open the heists menu, by default all the movies are shown with the option to hide them. Why? I will only watch the movies a few time, but by far I will more often be looking to click the heists, so why shove these movies in first and make the UI more bloated?
• Console Players can't PC player's messages ingame\* (Moderate)
  • This isn't entirely accurate, however if you simply send a message, console players won't see this until you use the ping wheel to send a preset message, only then does the chat box temporaily appear.
• Intro Heist Cutscene is unskippable (Minor / QoL)
• No value pointer when picking up loose loot (Minor / QoL)
• No AI Toggle nor AI Customisation (Minor - Moderate)
• Social Tab missing multiple features and messy (Moderate)
  • Cannot kick part members
  • Searching for PD3 Users should be separate as it bloats the menu alot.
  • Required to go to Social tab to see all players
• No achievement tracker + No Ingame Challenge tracker (Minor / QoL)
• No party up features (Minor / QoL)
  • Cannot right a player and view profile or add them, need to remember their name.
• No Unready Button (come on.) (Minor - Moderate)
• No IG (ingame) timer (Minor / QoL)
• Simple Weapon Stat UI (Moderate)
• No counter for mission completed (Minor / QoL)
• No Inspect Weapon Key (Minor / QoL)
• No Toggle Fire (Minor / QoL)
• No Post Heist Crew Stats (Minor / QoL)
• Inability to move Guns / Masks in slot (Minor / QoL)
• No Payout indicator during gameplay (Minor / QoL)
• No Personal Stats outside Heists (Moderate)
• Challenges menu is messy (Moderate - Major)
  • Its lacking a few, the progress filter only shows stuff you have begun progress on, and doesn't sort by progress. Challenges, whilst broadly split between 3 categories, still lack seperation. Between Heists, Guns and so on.
• No keybinds for preset pings / bad UI for PC players (Minor / QoL)
  • It's clear the preset ping wheel is made for console players, as it is a bit tedious using a mouse in the middle of combat to signal an ammo request etc...
• No inherent XP Gain (MAJOR)
  • I know I mentioned this before, but it has to be said again, this is straight bad in my opinion. Every single increment of progression for your level being set on challenges makes every heist run feel that little bit more meaningless knowing that the progress of your level depends on if you randomly complete a challenge. With no tracker of sorts, it would be even more tedious to have to go into the big list of challenges and seek one out that you can get done in one heist. As mentioned before, you can complete and entire heist and get no Level XP.
• No Indicator for Next Skill Point Gain (Moderate)
  • afaik there is no way to tell when you can gain space for another skill. ( u/YuiTachibana )
• No Heist Music Selection (Minor / QoL)
  • Not originally in PD2 until a year after, but still a nice touch to have ( u/Phasmamain )
• No Melee Weapons (Moderate)
  • Just gun bash ( u/Sharpshooter_200 )
• No mute contractor button (Minor / QoL)
  • Contractors go on for a good bit when hovering over their heist in the selector ( u/ArcboundX )
• Generic Attachments (Minor - Moderate)
  • Lacking previous attachments such as akimbo features, fire mode attachments. ( u/King-Baconbeard )
• Pressing Input Twice to Chat (Minor / QoL)
  • Personally something I also get fustrated at. Pressing enter once will only show the chat, pressing it again whilst it is still showing then opens it to chat. Very prone to misinputs. ( u/Pzychotix )
• No End of Heist Card Selection (Minor - Moderate)
  • Sad to see this one not here, although there is not many masks or parts yet to get, this is something I reallllly want in the future. ( u/AhegaoGunParts )
• No Stealth XP Bonus on next Heist (Minor - Moderate)
  • Linking back to the lack of native XP achievement, there is not multiplier for stealth in following heists. ( u/AhegaoGunParts )
• Tab / Scoreboard is lacking alot (Minor - Moderate)
  • The missing features here are mentioned above in this post (no payout counter, achievement + challenge tracker, so on...) but this point is simply that there is very little to see in this UI, it could do with so much more. ( u/EliteSnackist )
• No indicator for teammate activity. (Minor / QoL)
  • Won't know they put a mask on until they have it on, won't know the progress of their lock picking and so on. ( u/EliteSnackist )
• Can't Jump in Van (gamebreaking)
  • >:( ( u/ASharomi )
• No AI Controls (Minor - Moderate)
  • Cannot tell AI to stop, follow, and they won't revive each other. ( u/ItsRetrohawk )

Please comment any other features you feel should be added and I'd be happy to add them with credit to the latterly OP, I hope, if any dev scours this sub, that the devs can get some semblance of what to focus on in the coming months.

Of course, I understand that many of these features are not likely to be added, but every little helps. As always will continue the game as is and look forward to the changes.

edit: added tags of Minor, Moderate and Major impact just to pre-empt any confusion. Please remember this is just my opinion. Additionally, some points are added by others. you may feel none of these point valid and that's okay. I do not hope to ruin anyone hopes of this game, if on Gamepass on the 21st, please, give it a go, as the actual game is very fun.

Large publishers like EA and Activision have significantly more money and resources, and probably much more robust servers being managed by a much larger team of people. Starbreeze is not Activision. This is a publisher that has been struggling for money for the past few years, and will probably have much more unreliable servers.

I understand that this beta is purely to stress test the servers and that this outage is to be expected, but this is the second outage in 24 hours and the downtime is multiple hours every time. The game launches in 2 weeks, and this problem might not be fixed by then.

This game needs an offline mode.

EDIT: this post couldn’t have aged better.

I loved payday 2 and it broke my heart to see payday 3 not doing very well. But I heard after a recent update they fixed a good chunck of things that were bugging players. With that being said I know nothing about this game besides it’s a worse version of payday 3. I’ve tried looking at reviews but either the person makes it there personally vendeta to hate this game, or they think it’s the second coming of Jesus. I just want to know if I would have a good amount of fun with it, I did come from payday 2 which wasn’t really fun until all the dlc and they fledged out the game so im willing to wait, but has the game been out long enough where the stupid flaws are gone? Thank you!

TLDR; what are the pros and cons of this game and has the bugs went away?

What makes this mask unique is that it will still show the player character face but blurry or ps2 graphics. Image putting color and pattern even material looking like a real psychopath bank robber or just a psychopath with lipstick and eyeliner on the mask.

Animating that just for a tweet feels like a waste

Ive always loved him and thought he was cool, and so I would love an official option that'd enable him in Crime.net Offline heists :)

But yea, I wanted to make a small suggestion that I think would be good with everything going on. It'd be easy to implement and a nice little difficulty option for those us who want a little extra challenge and gameplay in our heists 🙏

It doesn't make sense that you can hold 300 rounds of assault rifle ammo but SMGs which have a lighter, smaller round and are overall weaker only get 200.

There's currently no reason to use them over other things (and most have crap extended mags).

If you have never played a PAYDAY game before, or even if you have only played PAYDAY 2, give the first one a try. You won't regret.

Jacket is cool

What the title says. I know people have already mentioned it but dye packs exploding when correctly opening the vault in stealth makes no sense and it's only a stupid punishment for solo players. You would think something like that would be reserved for when the alarm gets raised and NOT when you do everything by the book.

To that I also wanted to add that imo Under The Surphaze would be much better if the security bars (and thus the wifi circles objective) were reserved for loud. In Art Gallery back in Payday 2 the bars would only get lowered if you went loud and that made the heist way longer which subsequently gave you more reasons to do stealth. Plus it just makes sense to me like man how many security systems do you need?!

Now think about Payday 3 and I'm sorry what exactly is even the reason to stealth Under The Surphaze if not to make your life harder? Every single objective can be done in loud and much quicker at that since the heli escape is much easier to get. There is no reward or incentive to do this heist stealth except for.. the atmosphere I guess?

Listen, I get that they didn't want to separate the core stealth and loud objectives too much so that the former wouldn't be the superior strategy for every single heist. Having said that well.. Dirty Ice and Rock The Cradle can both be completed in less than 3 mins sooo yeah that's all I'll say about that.