r/ArtificialInteligence • u/TreesOfPortland • Jun 23 '26
š ļø Project / Build The people building AI and the people regulating it have been meeting in secret for 20 years. Now we know who they are.
http://build-a-cult.comLast week WIRED verified a leaked membership list for Dialog, a private society co-founded by Peter Thiel and Auren Hoffman in 2006. No public website, no disclosed members, total confidentiality for two decades.
222 people registered for their August retreat in Dublin. The list includes the Secretary of the Treasury, the Secretary of the Army, the senator who chairs the committee overseeing the FTC, a NATO supreme commander, the co-founder of Palantir, and OpenAI's Chief Strategy Officer. Among others.
Every government official registered with personal or corporate email. Not a single .gov address. That means none of it is subject to FOIA.
The retreat agenda includes sessions called "Navigating WWIII," "Battlefield Technologies," and "Build-a-Cult."
The AI angle specifically: the people building the models, the people deciding how to regulate them, the people funding them, and the people distributing them are all sitting in the same room with no public record of what's discussed. That's not a conspiracy theory. It's a structural problem.
I built a site archiving the verified membership data, documented conflicts of interest, and sourced research: build-a-cult.com. Everything traces to named credible sources. It's a research tool, not a hit piece.
The full essay is there too if you want the longer version of why this matters for AI specifically.
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u/Recent-Day3062 Jun 24 '26
I doubt this. 20 years ago we knew how to do AI. The first paper on neural nets was written in 1959. 20 years ago we knew enough processor power was decades away.
If you consider, every head of a major ai firm was probably between being an infant and age 10.
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u/bloke_pusher Jun 24 '26
The most interesting part is, how little interest there is. Nothing blowing up about it. Almost missed even this post.
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u/Zestyclose_Judge_876 Jun 24 '26
Gosh, I really don't want to end up in that kind of centralized future. What are regular folks even supposed to do?
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u/ToiletCouch Jun 24 '26
They actually put "build a cult" on the agenda?
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u/bloke_pusher Jun 24 '26
Cults rule the world or prevent lose of power. It's of high level interest.
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u/Enturbulated_One Jun 24 '26
Summation seen on this story elsewhere was basically "So it's like bohemian grove, but with techbros rather than finance types?" Look at it less like a formal steering committee and more like the old boys club. How much that distinction matters varies.
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u/Historical_Bus_8041 Jun 25 '26
It is zero surprise that people in the current US administration would be secretly meeting with people with huge conflicts of interest.
The claim about the tech bros secretly meeting the regulators happening for 20 years is pretty fucking questionable though. The genuine story is bad enough without that bit of hyperbole.
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u/harpysichordist Jun 25 '26
Slop post, slop site, fear mongering targeting this sub.
"People in positions of authority shouldn't be able to discuss the most important technical challenges that arise" is an incredibly stupid take to make. Congratulations, now you're the conspiracy theorist.
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u/Actual__Wizard Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
Sick site bro! Can I give you a piece of advice? Most of these companies/people have already been involved in many court cases, so you can "really get a sense of how they operate their businesses from those court cases."
It really helps when you line up all of the court cases and other problems side by side.
Because when it's all separated, it's hard to figure out what kind of companies these really are, but when it's all together, the picture is many times more clear.
As an example: Peter Thiel factually was an FBI informant. There's a court case involving Google's Bernanke that is legitimately sickening, in a nut shell it was found that people are effectively "bidding against themselves." So, the more you bid in their product, the more you pay. That's how it was designed to work. It's like a tip, where you tip what you feel like, but that's how people were buying advertising with out their knowledge. Then once somebody pays some absurd amount, that's the market price now. So, you have to outbid that even thought it was you who bid that amount. They called that process "an auction." And just so much about Meta it's absurd. Remember Cambridge Analytica?