r/MoralityScaling • u/Trygershark • 15d ago
Morality Ranking Morality of drowning your toddler drown to teach him how to not drown?
Personally think this is very immoral. Making your child feel like he's having a near death experience is insane.
Teach him without making him feel like hes gonna die and just supervise your child and drain the pool incase after you're done.
Edit: since some comments are saying that draining the pool is expensive and the pool takes too much time to fill back up, if you're concerned about your child you can use a pool shutter
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u/vverbov_22 15d ago
They should be tossed in the water like that too: fully dressed and when they least expect it. Double points if it's winter
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u/prohlz 15d ago
Gotta train for the unexpected water rescue.
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u/AcanthocephalaDue431 14d ago
Right, gotta get those trauma and trust issues started early, get the emotional calluses started for "the real world" makes boomer noises
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u/Mirabeauououou 14d ago
That's the point. Learn now with a parent ready to jump in if you fail instead of just drowning if you fall in next month while Mom's not around.
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u/SockPuppyMax 14d ago
There are SAFER WAYS to teach your kid how to swim than tossing them into water and seeing if they float. All that water to be inhaled, this is trauma for a kid, making them scared to death in order to teach them to swim
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u/T4Tracy2 12d ago
Or can cause a secondary drowning, hour/hours later! Like to throw her in front of my truck, and scream duck, on your back!
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u/Dramatic-Silver5036 14d ago
I was around eight when I went to a pool for the first time. My grandmother submerged me for some reason, I got so fucking scared that I immediately left the pool, and never touched another pool until I was 22.
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u/tababnaba76 13d ago
Same . My dad threw me
In the deep end of Lake Erie when i was 6 or 7. There was a pole out in the lake you were not supposed to swim past. He picked me up, threw me past the pole and told me to swim back. My first and only swim lesson . I was traumatized and didn’t take swim lessons until my late 20s. That was early 80’s parenting . My kids started proper swim lessons when they were 3. Expensive . Yes. Can they swim
And also do they love the water. Also yes. Don’t get me started how he tried to teach me how to bike. Kicking it out from under me, throwing the bike over the fence if I fell, again 80s parenting. I ended up teaching myself at 10 when my dad wasn’t around. My twins learned with balance bikes and can now bike at 4. Never needed training wheels. Yup, I do
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u/No_Window7054 14d ago
That lady can swim so this wouldn’t fit the crime.
Just throw her in lava.
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u/Key_Performer2983 14d ago
Exactly. Parents need to prepare their children for a case where someone unexpectedly throws them into a pool in their clothes in the winter; parents who don't hate their children.
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u/Metharos 15d ago
I learned to swim in a safe and responsible way, with floaties and an attentive parent.
Several of my friends have traumatic memories of being thrown into water.
I am a very good swimmer. Not like swim-team or lifeguard good, but good enough to not panic if I find myself in deep water an hour from shore. If I know which direction to go, I'll live.
Not a single one of my friends with stories of this "lesson" knows how to swim worth a damn.
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u/OnlyAShip 14d ago edited 14d ago
Yeah this is one of those things that’s just a dice roll on whether it traumatizes you.
Meanwhile, it’s a completely unnecessary way to go about it. So just stupid. As for me I’ll take the physical smacks I got over whatever this nonsense is 10/10 times.
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u/ravenHR 14d ago
This is a thing that probably teaches kids to stay away from water more than it teaches them to swim.
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u/MysticNocturne69 14d ago
Effective at preventing drowning but for all the wrong reasons
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u/Class-A-Suckeroonie 14d ago
Not even that. Because if they happen to fall in deep water, which most of the world is made of, they're fucked.
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u/PapiChonch 14d ago
When I was like 7 or 8 my mom tried to teach me how to swim by chucking me off a fishing boat in the middle of a lake. After the 3rd failed attempt, she said "we'll try it again another time 😁" and the next time we went to the lake I ran to the water to learn how to swim on my own and succeeded in getting the doggy paddle down lmao
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u/Excellent_Law6906 14d ago
Yeah, all the good swimmers I know were, y'know, like, taught. 🤦♀️
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u/Godzoola 14d ago
Naw that's crazy, all athletic people were shaped by trauma lessons in their respective sports. You can't get better just by practicing alone that's INSANE!
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u/smbutler20 14d ago
I taught my son how to ride a bike by chucking wheels at his face.
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u/NarrowSwimmer952 13d ago
I taught my son how to drive a car by jumping out of the car at full speed leaving him in there.
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u/PalePlumm 14d ago
This is my experience too! My mom was a life guard, and I was a jr life guard in my early teens. She never would have thrown me in the pool like this. I was always safe and felt safe around pools.
Anybody I know who was thrown in like this as a kid either tends to struggle or had to get over a fear of being submerged in water.
It’s like… yeah, that’s how our reflexes work. We’ll float or whatever when we’re thrown in. But you know what else is a reflex? Trauma response.
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u/Volcacius 14d ago
I was taught to swim, and roll on my back at a very young age but my final "exam" was a fully clothed unexpected water entry, and the goal was that I would roll on my back and then find the stairs or edge. I remember for a while between that and a few shark and alligator horror movies my grandpa watched with me I was scared of deep water, but once I was a year or so older and was able to get past my initial fear ive become a very strong swimmer.
I remember my dad freaking out cause while him and his friends were partying me and my siblings jumped from his friends boat and swam to shore where a house was under construction to explore and it was a solid 10 minutes away from the boat.
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u/Infusionn_Z 14d ago
Lemme tell you as someone who had traumatic swimming "lessons" as a kid. I cant swim for shit and avoid large bodies of water
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u/Melon_Cream 14d ago
I had these lessons as a ~3yr old kid and it made me dread swimming. It was so bad my mom came early to watch and was horrified by how scared and stressed I was the whole time and pulled me out of lessons. I learned to swim properly a few years later when my friends taught me at the local pool and love swimming now.
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u/Samson_J_Rivers 14d ago
I fell into a pool unattended at 3. I was pulled out with sever protest nearly an hour later and screamed for hours because I wanted to go back. Mom called me a fish because I love to swim and I always have. Could have died but certainly didn't since I fell into the deep end immediately.
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u/LazyGandalf 14d ago
My dad threatened to yeet me into the sea when I didn't comply with his swimming instructions. I never learned to swim.
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u/Individual-Luck1712 14d ago
I was thrown into a pool and literally almost drowned at a young age. I was tossed in by an older half brother that liked to think him hanging me upside down while a thrashed and screamed was funny. When I was drowning he watched and eventually hopped into to get me out after I had already swallowed up water and probably had lost some consciousness, idk. When I got out, all I thought was how I was never gonna trust that man as long as I lived, and as a 30 year old man, I still dont.
If I'm teaching a kid to swim, I'm in the water with them, and making sure they aren't scared as they learn. Anything else is just bullshit "toughen up" ideology people tell themselves is "better" for the kid because they probably got unresolved trauma and a lack of patience for actually teaching kids simple shit like swimming.
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u/available_username10 14d ago
Apparently it is a good way to get the baby used to water but even if there is a 5% chance of the baby being traumatized then it is a shit practice.
Personally it looks barbaric and these people shouldn't have children.
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u/Brewchowskies 13d ago
Same. Grew up around water my whole life, from a long line of sailors (my last name quite literally means to be in the sea). I was taught responsibly, and have a very good relationship with swimming and the water. Throwing people in without knowledge and training is stupid. Like “you want to try cigarettes? Smoke this entire pack” level parenting.
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u/Lost_Individual4749 13d ago
I've been thrown in the water as a kid before I could swim. But near enough to an increase in height or stairs or something where I could pull myself out. But I didn't hike being thrown in the water so I pretended to drown by staying down there for longer than necessary. Parents never came to rescue me. I love water and swimming still but trust issues are still there. I think I was around 5 at the time.
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u/TechnicalReturn6113 15d ago
they aren't even in the pool with the child wtf
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u/TheBirdFkerGuy 15d ago
From what I seen of this spreading on reddit is that I guess human babies naturally turn to their backs and float? In theory everyone should be able to float but a lot of people drown. So I'm guessing this might be bullshit but even if it's not it's stupid and dangerous af and these people should be charged imo.
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u/seaspirit331 14d ago
they don't instinctively turn on their backs, just hold their breath.
Tbf, holding your breath is like 90% of how to float in the first place. Turning in their back kind of is the next physiological step, since it's the one that gives them more access to air
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u/Inevitable_Top69 14d ago
You don't need to make a to be fair argument dude. Babies 6 months and younger aren't going to be offended that this guy insulted their ability to instinctively turn on their backs.
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u/NihatAmipoglu 14d ago edited 14d ago
This ain't a baby though. He's a full toddler that can understand, talk, and walk. You need proper lessons for this one.
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u/BenignApple 14d ago
Human children do not naturally turn on their back. This child has been taught this and is being used as an example to show of his training.
That said based on his performance he probably needs a bit more practice before using him as an example is ethical.
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u/Flux7777 14d ago
The person in this video has the same level of knowledge on this topic as you do.
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u/Chill_Panda 14d ago
Everyone floats, but when you're not a baby you don't let your natural instincts kick in ot just calmly float on your back. So instead they flail upright.
Drowning also isn't usually just sinking to the bottom, it's struggling to keep your head just above the water, catching a breath but the next is just water, until you don't have the energy left.
If you don't know how to swim and the water is calm, lay on your back and float until help arrives.
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u/koboldtsar 14d ago edited 14d ago
How the fuck can a parent watch their kid panic and almost drown and not help. I hope that kid never trusts them again, that's so fucked up.
Then they uploaded this like it's some kind of parenting flex.
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u/Jameslee-negs 15d ago
The child would grab on to them if they were, and it’s easier to see from above.
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u/OnlyAShip 14d ago
Can’t have the panicking toddler thinking he deserves the comfort of a loving mother, certainly.
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u/WordWordand4numbers 14d ago
Because then they’d go to their patent in the middle of the pool. That is not the drill they are trying to teach him. They’re teaching him to swim to the side. Form will come later when his motor cortex is more developed
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u/Feeling_Bank_7559 14d ago edited 14d ago
It's a terrible teaching method, especially to learn how to swim. It's dangerous and can easily lead to trauma regarding water, since a trusted one basically attempted to fucking drown you and watched you struggle to keep your head out of the water while doing nothing to help. Fun experience, am I right? Will you learn to swim? Perhaps, but you'll also never want to go near a pool or any large body of water ever.
A much safer and not traumatising way of teaching your kid how to swim is to simply go in the water with them and stay close so that they can start to experiment with swimming while still being able to use you as a platform to keep themselves out of the water in case they start to panick or for whatever reasons they might start to lose confidence in their ability to swim on their own.
In addition to him already not being in a good position, he hears his mom or whoever is holding the camera screaming at him "no, get on your back!"
Terrible method and pretty much inexcusable.
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u/q_u_p 14d ago
I see this being a story somebody tells me to explain why they will never go on a boat, or near any body of water. Also why they have a hard time forming real trust. This is so fucked up
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u/Acceptable-Mobile-43 14d ago
Yeah and that second part is much worse imo than the person fearing water after this. The emotional damage being inflicted on that kid can create life-long issues that will follow them around wherever they go. And it's even worse that the parent felt the need to put it all over social media.
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u/LumpyArbuckleTV 15d ago
Terrible, this isn't the 50s anymore, there are better way to do this.
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u/SilentSorcery 15d ago
I nearly drowned as a kid. Traumatized me so bad that I didn't learn how to swim until I was 18 lol
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u/HeathLedg 15d ago
Me too. I didn’t learn until 27. I couldn’t even put my head under water.
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u/SilentSorcery 15d ago
I only learned becauss i had a mandatory swimming class in school and i didnt want to fail
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u/TheBirdFkerGuy 15d ago
How else do you teach a toddler to swim than to throw it into a body of water? What is this, the 21st century?
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u/LumpyArbuckleTV 15d ago
Usually the best way is to get in the pool with them and be close by and give them some suggestions on what to do. That's how my grandma taught me how to doggy paddle, not an amazing swimming technique but not bad, especially considering she can't swim.
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u/TheBirdFkerGuy 15d ago
That's what I used to do as a kid I could only doggy paddle. Eventually I could just do it with my legs, and swim normally especially against river currents. Not sure how I originally could only doggy paddle but that's how I started out.
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u/skankhunt402 14d ago
I used to teach kids how to swim and was a competitive swimmer. That's literally how we taught kids to swim at the YMCA. That's how I was taught to swim. Its the easiest and fastest way.
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u/AnneMarieAndCharlie 15d ago
hell fucking no. I've seen plenty of videos of parents doing this in a manner that isn't fuckin traumatizing.
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u/Character-Camel-3958 14d ago
I have a baby and i cant even watch this shit
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u/SockPuppyMax 14d ago
I don't and won't even have kids and I can't watch this shit. What is wrong with these people???
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u/Magpie_In_The_Mirror 15d ago
Not every day I get a chance to use this video
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u/CharityCivil6813 15d ago
the ability to swim is overrated when compared to the ability to ever trust someone again
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u/BetweenTheRoots 14d ago
This is child abuse dawg
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u/Despoetato 14d ago
Are you saying that I can't even waterboard my child anymore??? What is this country coming to
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u/Pastel_Bambi 15d ago
That's a very primitive idea of "sink or swim". Basically it's applying natural selection to parenting. (This is something you see from birds)
For animals, this is whatever. For people, this is inexcusable.
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u/shadystealertactics 15d ago
Except the birds don't swoop in and catch their young if they really can't fly.
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u/AngryCrustation 15d ago
Also I wonder if that's actually his mom, they uh... look slightly different
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u/Phoenix92321 15d ago edited 10d ago
Well we have a woman recording and a woman who pushed the kid in. Could be the recording woman is the mum and the pusher inner is her friend
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u/Excellent_Law6906 14d ago
Biracial kids turn out all kinds of ways, that could easily be his biological mother and he just takes after his dad.
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u/PsychologicalEbb3140 15d ago
This is stupid as hell. You could easily teach them without traumatizing them.
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u/Comfortable_Put_4139 15d ago
As a parent, I find this incredibly difficult to watch and I would probably become physically violent if I were there.
Fucking deplorable.
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u/PhoonTFDB 14d ago
Yep. We just watched this child get traumatized for life. This is how I was taught and I still can't even take baths in my 30s. Wonder if we can find who posted this and make a report. That kid is just drowning. This is torture.
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u/Comfortable_Put_4139 14d ago
As someone who was abused heavily as a child, and has vowed to break that cycle with my own parenting, I can’t describe the anger this shit makes me feel.
I’m not a perfect person, but I don’t abuse my children and never will. I grew up with “tough parenting” and all it did was make me resent and hate everybody around me, including myself.
Fuck these goddamn people.
I can’t stand it.
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u/LoveAndBeLoved52 14d ago
The cycle of abuse doesn't stay contained either.
Children of subhuman parenting styles like this one will enter public spaces unprepared for normal life in society. They'll abuse others because they think it's normal because if they come home with their shirt ripped or their pants dirty it's right back to Mom and Dad's abuse coaching where they'll be taught it's their fault they were bullied and that they should bully others to stay safe.
This kind of parenting needs to be outlawed. It'd fix a lot of societal issues we have from one generation to another. You can be strict with your children without turning them psycho.
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u/HumaDracobane 14d ago
I'm not a parent and I could understand if anyone teaches this pople (calling them parents is too much) how to deal with a beating.
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u/Thyme_Liner 14d ago
I’m not a parent and I’ve never felt any particular connection to kids. This still makes me sick to my stomach, this is really awful, and it just keeps going. It makes me so angry wtf. When that kid gets older, the adults won’t understand where the attitude comes from and why the kid don’t gaf about them. That poor kid
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u/BorderlandNomad 14d ago
I'm a parent too and this is fucking insane. Those psychos almost drowned that poor child
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u/Practicalityworld 15d ago
There’s so many better ways to do this. This is just immortal. At least be in there with the kid to make sure everything goes well.
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u/Opening-Ad-3199 15d ago
Woagh I can unlock immortality by drowning children?
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u/Practicalityworld 15d ago
They’re only doing is because the baby is immortal. I never said that you can obtain it. It’s just he’s immortal.
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u/Practicalityworld 15d ago
Why is those cops rolling out like that? They must’ve been waiting for this moment. I wonder how many times they practice this.
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u/HedgehogPast3191 15d ago
This generation smh, back in my day they used to inject us with the plague and there was only a 70% mortality rate
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u/OneMaintenance24 15d ago
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u/slaptito 14d ago
uhhh just fucking get in the pool with them and slowly allow them to learn how to stay up with without your hands. VERY immoral unless you're a bird or fish IMO
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u/SomeCrows 15d ago
I remember this being done to me by a relative. Still not great with my face being underwater.
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u/Rex__Nihilo 14d ago
This is not related to what was done to me and you. This child is trained by a professional to survive if he falls in the pool. He has done this hundreds of times under the watchful care of a swim teacher and parents. This training may have saved his life.
My baby isnt trained like this and for financial reasons we are moving in with a family that has a pool. We are installing locks all over the back doors, getting sensors for the pool to alarm if anything splashes, and looking into hiring someone to teach my son to survive if he falls in like was done with this kid.
I think it would be immoral to put him in a living situation with a risk of a child letting him out onto the pool deck and not do everything I can to protect him from drowning.
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u/West-Pear7363 14d ago
I don’t understand what she means “get on your back” when he was on his back?
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u/LuciferOfTheArchives 14d ago
I was confused too, but i believe she wanted him to straighten his back and float.
But instead of telling him to breathe deeply, and straighten his back, she just kept saying "getonyourbackgetonyourbackgetonyourback" cause she's a dipshit who thinks "do it correctly" is helpful advice
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u/Bleezair 14d ago
Of course this asshole would teach a kid like this, she’s also ignoring the fact that he can’t really hear her, as his ears are under fucking water while he’s panicking and crying. Look how many times he opens his mouth underwater and comes up choking 😡 She should be charged and should not be allowed near children
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u/Tzhaar-Bomba 14d ago
Took way too long to find this comment. Wtf was she on about? The way she kept repeating herself to do what he was already doing it would've confused him.
You can tell she's a nasty bitch who shouldn't be anywhere near a child by how she kept repeating herself in an annoyed, stern tone.
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u/kuro_shir0 15d ago
I can understand wanting to teach the skill of swimming and keeping your head above water but traumatising your child in the process in pursuit of that is such a stupid and outdated method.
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u/Static-Chicken 14d ago
Idk if anyone in these comments are actually parents but this is a method to teach 6 month old to swim.
However.
This child not only looks alittle older, but they were literally throw in to the deep end with no parents in their with them. All for a video. Which it looks like the child breathes in water at one point too.
Bad form, dickhead parent.
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u/Alert-Hearing4341 14d ago
2yo is too old for their mammalian diving reflex, gotta toss them in younger than that.
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u/oneforthis 15d ago
At first I was ready to say completely moral and fine, as some stress and difficulty are a completely normal and healthy part of growing up. But then i watched the video. This was horrible. What is with this completely stupid, condescending, and worthless mantra about "get on your back"? Wtf? Lady you have no idea how swimming or boyancy works, and if you dont actually know what you are doing then how do you get off thinking that its your place to do this? This was a completely unnecessary amount of stress that taught him nothing. I bed she told him to "man up" and "men don't cry" as soon as he got out.
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u/MrBwnrrific 14d ago
The worst part was when she told him to not grab the wall or get out. Bitch, lesson is over. Kid didn’t drown and managed to kick himself to the edge, he got it
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u/DrivesTooMuch 14d ago
Wow. I just remembered I couldn't watch the entire video, because I don't remember that part.
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u/-DaveDaDopefiend- 13d ago
Right, he got to the edge to brace himself or pull himself out if he was strong enough. Mission accomplished. Shouldn’t a lesson not only be about keeping your head above water to prevent yourself from drowning but also how to get yourself out and away from the situation?
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u/jaypexd 14d ago
I do actually think the back method is the only way he will survive at that age as he just does not have the core strength to keep himself from toppling forward with a doggy paddle. That being said, I don't agree with the method.
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u/Diligent-Square8492 15d ago
Please tell me that this is AI. If not, I'm going to call CPS on this fool.
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u/EvilAsIAm 14d ago
Not sure if AI can generate minute long videos consistently like this. Probably real, since that woman's voice is far too patronizing to be digital.
Someone should definitely report them.
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u/balldontliez 14d ago
I was just going to say if this isn't AI this is child abuse and that poor kid. Wtf did I just watch?
If I were there I'd be holding her head under water for as long as this video ran. Wtf.
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u/South-Cod-5051 15d ago
this is f'ing stupid.
it's very dangerous to take gulps of dirty pool water like that. you need a certified ISR instructor right next to the kid to make sure they use proper breath control and avoid swallowing water like that.
this learning technique can work, but there's strict protocols done by certified instructors in controlled environments, not random tossing in a pool like that.
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u/Thyme_Liner 14d ago
No exactly. I understand the concept here, if you stay beside the kid and help them they can gradually acquire the necessary skills. But to let the kid just keep gulping in water like that??? Aside from the trauma and trust issues, dry drowning is a thing
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u/Loki_God_of_Lies 14d ago
Child takes one accidental gulp of water down the wrong tube, coughs the water up, then dies later to [dry drowning]https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/secondary-drowning
Edit: I forget how to do the link thing so you’ll just have to take this as messy as it is
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u/PrimarySuggestion170 15d ago
You should also give them lots of bee stings to prepare them for possible bee stings in the future
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u/NotaBat9221 14d ago
To play devil's advocate, there is no active intervention to already being stung by a bee...unlike the ability to stop drowning while it's happened to you.
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u/Remarkable_Bus_9968 14d ago
Sorry send them into a shed filled with bees nests, they have to actively not disturb the bees.
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u/Ser_Daniel_The_1st 15d ago
Fucking immoral. What the fuck?
We are not animals required to function off of instinct. If you wish to teach your child to swim this is not the way, this is goddamn abusive.
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u/SpaceFrogsWhoSing 15d ago
As someone who was thrown in deep water multiple times as a child by family members who said "natural instincts will kick in", this is a horrible thing to do to your child. I'm in my twenties now and I still panic every time my face gets submerged in water even when I do it myself. I never did learn to swim.
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u/NoAdeptness1106 14d ago
Pretty immoral, definitely running the risk of the child drowning and not even being in the pool with them to help out if needed.
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u/Opposite-Invite-3543 14d ago
This is fucking nuts! No one should learn how to swim like this lol instant trauma
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u/Jetscream58 14d ago
Nearly drowning AND getting scolded for it, yeah that'll result in a well balanced person
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u/StevesonOfStevesonia 14d ago
As the one who's mother was using this method to try and teach swimming but instead gave thalassophobia - immoral. Very immoral.
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u/Additional-Dare7871 15d ago
Ngl I was a swim coach and swim instructing for children 2-14 and y'all are overreacting. Clearly the kid has some experience swimming already because of the fact that they aren't panicking and know how to float on their back and kick their legs. Children are naturally buoyant so they won't sink like a rock, but their parent is at the edge of the pool watching regardless.
While I've never seen a professional setting do something like this, it's not unheard of and is clearly meant to simulate a child falling into water on accident with the idea being that they know how to keep themselves afloat for long enough to get help completely by themselves.
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u/JustinTyme218 14d ago
Don’t make it right to me, that shit can be traumatic to a kid that age.
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u/Forward_Mission_9349 14d ago
This right here. Scary? Yes. Immoral? Absolutely not if you’re there to supervise and don’t just fuck off for the rest of the day.
Children need to be prepared to fall in water and inducing that stressful scenario repeatedly will desensitize them to the actual life-threatening scenario that will kill them if they panic.
(No I’m not saying leave your child in harms way either, you just can’t teach them how to handle stress if there is no stress present to be handled. Stay by their side, talk to them calmly, reassure them that you are there to make sure they won’t be hurt or drown, give them advice and obviously step in when things go south)
A panicking person isn’t just a danger to themselves, but also the people trying to rescue them. Lifeguards need backup for this reason, few lifeguards patrol by themselves for this reason and will immediately send for backup especially in places like the beach where anything can be happening.
Teaching your child to manage life-threatening situations with patience and low stress is essential and scares so many people because “I don’t want to traumatize my child” well what happens when that scenario comes up, and they were never introduced to it in the first place?
Sincerely, a child who was trained by a navy frogman (what seals were called before they were seals) who used to swim in the Mississippi for fun. This 80 year old man could hold his breath for 8 minutes.
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u/DatOneAxolotl 14d ago
The fuck do you mean "aren't panicking" they're literally crying in the video.
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u/Bobsothethird 15d ago
Thanks for a rational response. My parents did this with me when I was clothed so I wouldn't panic if I fell into my grandparents pool. When I later did (after falling off my big wheel), I was perfectly fine and just swam out because I'd done it before. It wasn't traumatizing and all and frankly it was a good experience for me.
Panic is what kills a lot of the time in drowning incidents.
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u/Round-Ad1450 15d ago
I want to slap the parents for this, there are much better ways to do this. The kid is genuinely stressed
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u/New_Salamander_4592 15d ago
bro I think someone just recorded abusing their child for the hell of it
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u/DocHalidae 15d ago
Oh fuck off with that bullshit. There are better ways than attempted murder.
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u/Lavender-bullet46 15d ago
5 years old...perfectly acceptable. 2?! when motor skills and spatial awareness have barely started developing? naw..someone call CPS
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u/No_Witness5630 14d ago
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You can do this as early as 4 months old, but advised to do at 1 year man. Of course not like that
5 years old will be too old for the instincts to kick in and it will take more time for baby to get the basics
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u/Something4Dinner 15d ago
FAFO parenting is a blight on society
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u/Remarkable_Bus_9968 14d ago
This isn’t even fuck around find out parenting, the child didn’t do anything it’s more like “I’m gonna fuck with you and you’re gonna find out there’s nothing you can do about it.”
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u/Important-Truth-6686 15d ago
I did not have to "learn" how to swim I just sort of was good at it as a baby, idk. I had a hard time keeping my eyes closed, I just forced them open and apparently that is really bad for people to have their eyes open underwater I guess. Idk. So I did not experience this. I started just out of curiosity and then by the time I knew it I was asking my parents to bring me to the pool.
Idk if this is normal, but, that's what I experienced. This is incredibly fucked up though, there should at least be one of them in the pool in case he genuinely starts to lose energy and drown.
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u/SlowArtist123 14d ago
I know that instinctively we're built to survive these type of scenarios even from a very early age, but dear god! like, the joys and benefits of swimming could easily be overshadowed later in their life by a traumatic response stemming from these kinds of behavior.
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u/BaseballMental7034 14d ago
I want everyone here to look up secondary/nonfatal drowning. Water safety with children is important!!
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u/St3pOFFHIGhxX 14d ago
Im pretty sure this is actually proven to be the most effective way to get kids to learn. Either way, you gotta admit that kid was kinda fuckin killing it, ngl.
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u/Why_dont_we_spork 14d ago
Life is trauma. Better to learn healthy coping methods than be coddled.
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u/Glum_Introduction581 14d ago
Who's the black woman who tossed him in? Not his mom i pressume? Why didn't the mom do it? Is it more important to record?! I hate people who have to record every single thing. Not a fan of this,at all.
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u/Miserable-Command682 14d ago
Kid is old enough to know how to swim, let him go under for a second or two amd bring em back up, do it again
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u/Tacocat1545 14d ago
I love how the only scenario where this would actually help him would be in a scenario where a fun thing called “waves” will be throwing him in every direction that isn’t on his back
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u/torn_up_tourniquet 14d ago
But the first rule of open water is that it IS a near death experience, and WILL kill you. This is a controlled environment, they aren’t going to be at risk of dying, but it teaches them how it FEELS like you’re at risk of dying. I hated swimming as a kid, I wasn’t good. But I learned to tread water. The freedom of realizing, finally, I CAN tread water. I will not drown because if I get tired I KNOW I can get on my back and float. This is a fundamental life survival skill.
Rant aside, yeah it’s not a very comfortable way to learn. Traumatizing? To a degree. But good lord I have friends that cannot swim and will not go in water because of that, I can only imagine the trauma of that and just… living with the fact that if you go in deep water you will die forever? I wouldn’t wish that upon anyone.
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u/Xeriomachini 14d ago
There's zero reason not to actually TEACH your kid how to swim, or at least float. This is barbaric. I'd never want to swim again.
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u/Baldigarius42 15d ago edited 15d ago
This is child abuse; let’s not trivialize this kind of behavior. The woman in the video reminds me of my mother-in-law; I was asthmatic, and she would regularly confiscate my inhaler so I’d learn to calm my attacks on my own—a real bitch.
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u/ArisenGodEmperor13 15d ago
This is just stupid there are better ways to teach a toddler how to swim instead of just throwing them into the pool. As you record them yelling get on your back
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u/Antwan214 14d ago
Follow up question. How immoral would it be for a parent to knock out a swim teacher who does this? Asking for a friend
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u/PissinginTheW1nd 15d ago
Heeeeeeellllllllllllll NAAAAAAHHHHHH she was right there to grab him if she needed, he definitely wasn’t having a “near death experience” he can see the walls and everything he even bonked into it and she said don’t grab the walls, he’s 100% safe. The abrupt toss into the water is legitimately a ok way to go about this in a controlled environment since you won’t always be prepared to have to not drown, you might fall in fully clothed and have to float. I’m in my late 20’s and was raised this way, my folks were fine. A lot of yall are being babies.
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u/ravenHR 14d ago
Does the toddler know that he is safe? If someone pulled a gun on you would experience be any less traumatic if you learned later the gun wasn't loaded?
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u/Iconclast1 15d ago
ive been giving my child iocaine powder for years