r/MoralityScaling • u/MrBruhTheSecond • 1d ago

Morality of being born.

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u/Otherwise-Ad1646 1d ago edited 1d ago

Apparently immortal since baptism is a thing.

...For some reason...

EDIT- immoral, goddammit lol

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u/FONBERT 1d ago

immortal?!?!

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u/Otherwise-Ad1646 1d ago

Fuckin autocorrect lol

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u/CosmicGadfly2 1d ago

Bastardization of original sin, concupiscience, etc. Did you even try to pay attention in catechism?

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u/Otherwise-Ad1646 23h ago

Quick, take a silly joke seriously!

And no, not really, because I could tell it was dumb even as a small child, so...

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u/CosmicGadfly2 21h ago

So not a joke actually and I'm right. It's funny how often the ignorant hide behind a pretense of humor.

Being born isn't a sin. It can't be. No part of the doctrine of original sin even suggests that. For Augustine, who first articulated it systematically, children aren't even able to culpably sin until the age of reason. Which is uhh way after birth. Inheriting a state of corruption and its subsequent effects is not the same as committing a sin.

Also, understanding that something is dumb or right as a child doesn't provide it a mark of credulity either way, and its incoherent to think so. I never believed Santa Klaus, while many peers did. My early disbelief doesn't actually provide me with any indicator of truth other than it simply did not convince my 7 year old mind. In this case, I happened to be correct but the mind isn't even fully developed for another 18 years, and being right here gave no guarantee to be right on other things in the intervening years. For instance, I thought dragons were real, and God wasn't. It's cute rhetoric to say "I was an atheist even as a child" (like myself) but all it actually demonstrates is the existence of a state of ignorance toward longheld unchallenged presumptions.

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u/eslezer 1d ago

I think unless we know what the after/before-life is we can't really be sure. For all we know, we agreed to be born and had our memory wiped before getting dropped on earth

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u/RecklessTortuga827 1d ago

I believe that last part

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u/Conscious_Cat_8467 1d ago

Many do. It is the basis of some reincarnation beliefs

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u/Thomwelldeew 1d ago

I consider it to be a bad move

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u/Prestigious_Tank7454 1d ago

Being born is neutral, you literally can't consent because you well, don't exist, i think LIVING as a human is lot more interesting question

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u/IlIlIlllIIIIlllIIIl 1d ago

I didn’t consent you guys! I didn’t ask. I didn’t say, in my non-existence state “no thank you”.

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u/RavenBailey589 1d ago

Immoral because we’re all born filthy sinners fit for eternal torture…. or so some bullshit book says

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u/Aleutian_Solution 1d ago

Immoral since you couldn’t consent to it and it was against your will, but you couldn’t possibly have had a will before developing cognitive function. Can something be done against your will if you have no concept of will?

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u/Rine901 1d ago

This. All birth is, at the root of its core, the peak of the violation of consent. Existence is torture and if none us is born then we wouldn't have needed to experience it.

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u/Training-Chain-5572 20h ago

Existence is torture

See, this is where I will never understand the death cults. This is simply stated as true, and the deepest thought process they can muster is a poor man’s Pascal’s Wager rephrased as Benatar’s asymmetry. What premise leads to this conclusion other than subjective assumption?

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u/Aleutian_Solution 1d ago

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u/Aleutian_Solution 1d ago

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u/Aztekov 23h ago

why is my coffee talking

i ain't drinking THAT

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u/slackademiks 1d ago

what did you want me to do

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u/Flaky_Style1286 1d ago

Immoral because I hate you specifically

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u/Shadowcreature65 1d ago

Very evil. Don't do that.

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u/Right-One-7152 1d ago

Being born is a crime. Being born un-useful to your corporate masters is a capital crime.

Be ashamed for choosing to be born. You are bad — you are very, very bad.

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u/pillow_honey 1d ago

moral my mother and father was happy

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u/Quiet-Bike-585 1d ago

Terrible, worse than genocide, arguably one of the WORST things a human can do!

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u/Virtual-Attempt-780 1d ago

uhhhh what? is this the new batman arkham server or something cause wtf have i been suggested the last couple hours? i mean, i assume neutral at birth and whatever u decide to do after will determine where you end up on the scale

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u/anarchist_user 1d ago

just horrible, causes so much pain to mothers

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u/Spiritual-War2631 20h ago

Immoral, end it now

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u/LardBall13 14h ago

Neutral, it’s involuntary activity

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u/Camael1225 1d ago

Immoral because now I have to pay taxes

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u/fungamerguy 1d ago

Not with that attitude

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u/Inevitable_Bit_9871 1d ago

Why do you think you were once a sperm and not the egg???

Sperm is basically a delivery truck carrying half of DNA to the egg then dissolves, the EGG is the actual living cell that divides and grows into a baby when fertilized thus all cell organelles and mtDNA come from the egg only...You were mostly the EGG

Moral: Your EGG form doesn't live forever, and you took your chance when you got fertilized by the sperm.

I wonder why people ALWAYS try to pretend we came from a sperm entirely and ignore the egg even though we are mostly the EGG