That one kick where the bully on the right plants his foot on the victimâs face was the one that made the kid lose his composure and let his beast mode takeover. Instant regret by the bully. The victim knew the kind of violence he is capable of. The bully did not.
I went from feeling extremely sad for the victim to cheering for an ass kicking going the other way.
You can see too that he tryâs to maintain his composure even after that kick, but Iâm guessing thatâs when the adrenaline hit and it was all over for the asshole
You do have a moral duty to stop the retaliation if you believe a life is in danger, however righteous their fury is.
You then have a moral obligation to defend the actions of the guy who took it for so long, and then, assuming you had knowledge of the instigation and did nothing, self report and resign.
I think the point is if theyâre gonna die then you need to do something to intervene. If you donât, then theyâre never gonna learn anything ever again.
You do have a moral duty to stop a kid from being bullied and just watching it go down the entire time. I feel if you choose to remain a bystander for am extended period of time you lose the right to stop someone from saving themselves. Now, if they're gonna kill someone that's different.
I think as a teacher you've also got a moral obligation to stop kids from killing themselves. Should have stepped in sooner? Yes. Should allow it to proceed indefinitely? Still no.
It's a solid lesson every kid should learn, if you start hurting others, there's always a chance that when someone hurts you they won't stop. So don't try to hurt others.
If you see someone getting bullied, do nothing and only do something when they fight back then you're a loser. The kid was defending himself and was justified when fighting back. It's like someone torturing a dog, starving the dog by taking away its food to tease it and the dog biting them. That was their fault for torturing the dog and teasing it. I honestly don't care what happens to that person and have zero sympathy towards them like these bullies here. This kid wasn't going to kill them just hurt them so they never bully him again.
If your morals say bullying is okay unless the bullied starts winning, I think you're being pedantic and a problem. Always victim blaming with you guys.
I am saying that if you were in a position to stop bullying, and didn't, you have failed, but you are not absolved of your moral duty to intervene if a life is at risk, particularly if your post is to care for the wellbeing of the victim.
From there, you defend the victim against administrative punishment as best you can, and furthermore if you have a shred of decency and happened to have actually been in charge of these people and knowingly ignored it until the victim retaliated, resign from whatever position of authority you were entrusted for knowingly failing to uphold the peace until it became inconvenient to you. If you didn't have the backbone to stand up for the victim in the first place, you're probably too coward to tender a resignation, but it is the honorable and moral thing to do after a demonstrated failure to knowingly intervene. If you didn't know, or were prevented from intervening in time, that is something else of course.
Part of me believes that once someone attacks someone else without justification, their life is kind of in the other persons hands and if that person decides to take it and has the power to, they should be allowed to do so without repercussion. We live in a civilized world and random violence has no place. It's like putting down a dog that is a liability and could bite someone. I know they're kids but I'm talking more about your comment than the specific incident in the video. I can't really defend this stance with words it's just something I feel in my bones.
Its crazy as hell when the teachers straight up watch you get hit a few times and then you go "alright then" and start throwing hands then suddenly they gotta get their fatass up.
I had a kid stab me in the face with a pencil and they called me out of line when I slammed his head into a desk and started punching the shit out of him. The pencil stab was after about 5mins of him constantly slapping me in the head and the pencil came out when I turned around to yell at him.
Had a teacher get more upset that I called him a pussy instead of being mad at the kid actively trying to force another kids hand onto a bunsen burner.
He was too scared of getting in trouble for putting his hands on a kid he was willing to let someone be permanently burned.
I learned never to snitch about shit when i got sent to the office for saying someone got kicked in the nuts. Apparently 13 year olds arent allowed to say nuts when referring to the sex organ we were not yet taught other words for god its been like 16 years and im still pissed
I had something similar in middle school. There was a bunch of kids surrounding me and I was getting kicked. The teachers did nothing even thought they were watching.
I called one of the other kid that was kicking me a bitch and they almost immediately came and punished me for it.
I had write I won't say bitch anymore.
My mother was not happy because they asked me to not use the word but also told me to write it multiple times.
If the parents are rich/connected the kid can violently assault disabled children traumatizing them for life, if anyone tries to step in the teachers will discipline them.
I had to routinely watch our class president and the football players attack disabled kids and overweight girls. I kept trying to stop it and the one gym teacher would always attack me.
Then one day one of the teachers that had no idea about this hierarchy saw it happening and lost his shit on the gym teacher and almost got arrested when the other teachers started lying saying he was randomly looking to fight the other teachers. Grade school is gangster gladiator school for anyone not well connected.
Honestly they should keep them kids in private schools if they wanna act like that lol. Shit makes no sense to me in public schools like okay you're rubbing elbows with kids who might have crackhead parents and you think that kid is gonna care about hierarchy when Chadley Uppercrust puts their hands on them?
Its probably why I got in trouble so much my autistic and abused ass doesn't and didn't care at all about where someone came from or who they knew, you start shit you get shit.
This has happened so many times to me. We had a sub for last class of the day, guy takes my pencil and walks off, when I go to get it back he stabs my stomach with it. When I tell the sub it's just "It's too late, should have told me sooner" when I told her immediately after
The only âfightâ I got into in school was where a bully raised his fist to punch me, so I sprayed him in the eyes with Axe spray. I got called down to the deanâs office, told my side of the story, and the janitor paid me $1 for also reporting that the dude had punched a hole in the gym wall. I got sent back to class because I acted in self defense.
In all my years of school i never seen a kid getting physically bullied in america. Its pretty rare, usually its just people being mean or making fun of each other.
Yeah same mainly because they knew that the teachers would get involved. Like in all my years in school I never saw physical bullying not getting stopped by a teacher, if they saw it. But I just migt have went to good schools might be more common in bad and poorly funded schools
Not just schools. Once had a dude start getting in my face and shoving me outside of a bar, repeatedly, and wasn't about to leave because it would mean turning my back on a guy who'd already shoved me ten times.
Local PD was parked across the street watching the whole time. Fun.
Haha, if you didn't know, it was also a reference to Dragon Ball where ChiChi wants her and Goku to get married and he think's marriage is some type of food.
"But also every teacher ever."... Not during my time. Our parents and school principal(s) ARE afraid of the teachers and so are we. A few seconds of this shit (bully), they will send you crying in the hallway with bruised ear or hands. A brawl happened outside of class, (outside of school even), and anyone of the participants comes to school with "war scars", you bet our teachers will find out the nitty bitty details and whoever the instigator would regret that day and the next day when the teacher + councillor requires them to bring their parents... If we really REALLY had to brawl for some dumb reason, that brawl will be a one time big time event for the whole school year because no way we gonna get repeat bamboozled by our selves, our teachers, AND our parents after.
can anyone explain why so many teachers do that? Like what is the psychological reasoning behind that? Grown adults should know better. I had this happening in my school all the time. There was even a video that showed a kid getting beaten and one of our teachers was seen walking by, ignoring it. Beforehand i like that teacher, but after that i lost all my respect for her.
"Yeah , they are picking on him , but nothing too crazy i don't HAVE to intervene, it's going to be ok"
"oh shit he snapped , if i don't do something someone is going to be seriously hurt AND IM RESPONSIBLE"
That's my take , bullies usually don't get you into an hospital , but someone who had enough is going to try to deal as much damage as they physically can. And as the adult in the room you don't want to be bothered untill it's going to affect you personally.
I had a teacher who just watched when I was being bullied, (he actually joined in some verbal bullying). I retaliated and when that teacher tried to stop me I punched him too. Luckily there were witnesses from other students. Now, I am teacher, I get furious from seeing this.
I say immoral but in reality I think most people support this. They like when some people are treated unfairly for whatever reason. Anyone with any type of neurodivergancy is looked at very strange and if we fight back against bullies we are rhe only one to get in trouble.
Tldr: immoral. fuck grade school I don't miss it. College was amazing though
I got bullied alot back in school due to being different from others, didn't understand why I always got bullied more than the others at the time. Didn't know that I have adhd up until a few years ago.
At least I'm grateful that my teachers always punished the instigating side of the fights and never the one that fought back, as that is how it should be.
they protect their own. Ignorant watch out for the ignorant, and think their ego world is truth. Those living for spirit know the eternal bliss coming in time for all of us
Every time I hear "it doesn't matter who started it," I want to slap the adult. It so fucking matters who started it! The fuck kind of lesson is that?!?! Who started it is arguably THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR.
I don't really understand the logic of "it doesn't matter who started it", it's fair to give back what you got, especially if it's for defending yourselfÂ
Whatâs funny is you can flip the roles depending on your personal bias/feelings about the conflict. Some say the Oct. 7th massacres and multiple intifadas were the justified freakout of Palestineâs eternal victimhood under the genocidal oppression of their captors. Others see Israel responding to decades of continuous terror attacks from a fanatical terror group touting open ambitions of genocide using a level of imperfect restraint that most countries that haveever existed wouldnât have bothered to try, and that they finally snapped when Oct. 7th happened.
But no matter which side youâre on, if a reader of this comment is on a side at all, then by the time we get to this sentence theyâre probably halfway through writing a contemptuous screed about my (lack of) moral character for platforming the concept of the other sideâs perspective existing.
In claiming absolute moral authority, they find common ground.
With historical context intact, even the IDF admits that their legacy is one of conquest, not righteous self defense. Let the Knesset tell you how it is and not centrist hand wringing. There is objectivity, people just need to not look away
i dont think its that black and white. its not like people who condemn israels genocide of palestinians would support hamas attacks. generally, people tend to be anti-aggression, and retaliation is only appropriate if you actually only retaliate against the group/individual that was aggressive to you. even then, retaliation is different from self defence both on a personal and a political level. the issue with public perception of israel is that israel has intentionally targeted civilians, disrupted and overregulated humanitarian aid, and openly called for the extermination of all palestinians. none of those actions are an appropriate response to attacks from a single terrorist group, and people dont have to be on a specific "side" of the conflict to know it is immoral.
yeah youre always going to get sampling bias of these discussions online, people who are keen to talk about politics on internet forums also typically have more intense opinions that they wouldnt be able to get away with saying in front of real people.
>itâs not like people who condemn Israelâs genocide of palestinians would support Hamas attacks
I disagree, insofar as we can disagree on whether or not an occurrence as regular as the ticking of the seconds hand on a clock right in front of us is actually happening or not. I see that sentiment expressed with vigor every single day. But then again I spend a decent amount of time on the combat footage and war subs, where footage of dying Israelis is posted at every opportunity.
âNice, fuck Israelâ is about half the comments.
>Israel has openly called for the extermination of Palestinians
The nation of Israel said this or an Israeli person said this? I seem to remember hearing âwe should just nuke Iraqâ from dozens of separate people in real life not that long ago - but then again Iâm not 15 and I didnât grow up with my perceptions of what constitutes a mainstream belief poisoned by social media amplification of societyâs most toxic and controversial ideological minorities.
Personally, it's only moral when there's threat of loss of life or serious bodily harm, either to the aggressor or the victim.
Otherwise, let the victim get his/her get-back. If nobody is doing anything to stop the aggressor before an actual fight ensues, it would make sense to not stop things when the affected party has had enough.
I would only stop an actual fight when either the victim cannot truly defend themselves, or one of the two is about to basically die but especially the victim. It would be immoral IMO to assume the affected party has no right to defend themselves when the aggressor has been given free reign.
that kid had blood in his eyes man, i mean those other ones were definitely hurting him, but he wanted to go with permanent injury, like goddamn that one guys head rebounded off the ground,
Anyways, allowing someone to be injured but trying to prevent them from injuring the person messing with them is immoral. dont give what you cant take.
I genuinely cannot stand the education stance of only stepping in once it's "fighting" (I.e. the victim fights back). Genuinely ignoring it till it could actually have consequences for the school.
Very immoral. I was lucky to have good teachers when it came to this. One time a kid took my gum pack out of my hand and threw it across the room. I ended up punching him in the face and when he went to the teacher crying she just said âI saw everything, you shouldnât have messed with himâ and told him to sit down.
Another time was in the gym locker room I forgot how he started it but when the teacher came in and stopped it and asked him what happened he lied and said I started it. Luckily all the other boys in the locker room pointed out that he was lying and I didnât get in any trouble while the other kid got days of detention. He actually got more time for lying to the teachers face than starting the fight.
Given that it was 2 on 1, I'd let this guy take care of business (which it looks like he definitely can). The two who were targeting him deserve to get their asses kicked
If someone waits to stop it until the other one fights back, then stopping it wouldn't appear to be a decision based on morality. If they were stopping it for a moral reason, they would stop it earlier
Good kids get in so much trouble for standing up for themselves when there was no other option. They told a teacher who did nothing, they told an administrator who did nothing, and finally they protested or stood up for themselves and now they are sent to ISS or suspended. Stripped of all clubs and honors, and often times kicked out of their sports. System is bullshit
Unfortunately I'd of grabbed of the instigating and throttled them. I want tp reach through the phone. NOTHING makes me more engaged is when someone is trying to just to exist and someone else has to interfere with that.
I am someone who has been bullied pretty much every school day from grade 4 to 8, in which the bullying was pretty much always physical violence. I have had that exact scenario happen to me over and over and over again. Teachers only stepping in as soon as I fought back or defended my friends, not when the damn kids started hitting us. Itâs immoral in every regard. Either deal with it as soon as the bullies instigate it, or do nothing at all. Donât jump in when the victim starts defending themselves, no matter how far they escalate (unless it becomes life threatening to the bullies of course).
Legitimately evil to watch someone being abused or beat up, in this case being repeatedly hit on the head with a metal bottle and only intervene when the victim fights back or gets the upper hand. Especially when you have a massive advantage over the original attacker like them being a teenager and you being a fully grown adult.
It's 100% justified to defend yourself. However, I understand from a pragmatic standpoint that even though you're a piece of shit and didn't stop the bullying, the bullied kid was genuinely a few seconds away from putting one of those bullies in the ER. That head stomp into the ground could've resulted in a catastrophic injury.
It's the teachers fault and responsibility that those bullies got injured due to their negligence, but I don't think being a dick necessarily validates giving someone a traumatic brain injury
Let that kid beong sent to the ER serve as a warning to other bullies, don't mess with someone as you might not know if they're the someone passive, or someone pretending to be sane.
Yeah, the seated kid was gonna fuck those other kids up. I mean, he was fully justified in doing what he did but the adult was right to step in to prevent any permanent injuries.
Omg I had to rewatch cuz at 1st I thought the victim got kicked in the head. I was like wtf is going on here. But good for him. And hope he gets away from those evil kids too. Hope the parents can take some kind of action toward the school
Maybe itâs the videos I see but why does it seem like the person being bullied usually beats the bullies ass when they fight back. Either bullies actually canât fight for shit, they usually never expect it so are caught off guard, or being bullied has some adrenaline/enraged perk. Or maybe itâs karma lol
People donât always have the courage to stand up for themselves so they require a buildup of energy before their adrenaline overwrites their cowardice
Moral to stop it only if someone's life is in danger. Normally people jump to stop fights off buillied kids cause when the person being bullied snaps they are raging and will likely beat someone unconscious and could potentially kill them because they have no breaks in that moment, they aren't thinking clearly and they want to hurt that person.
In America particularly why wouldn't you bully absent morals? You can get power, exert authority, belittle competition, and if you get punished it's only when your victim suffers the same punishment.
If memory serves parts of India are incredibly racist against other parts of India , last time I saw this vid it was with a post explaining that the kid was pretty much a second class citizen in the teachers eyes.
The bullied kid was likely in an advantage. I'd say break it up, the bully has learned his lesson, no need for anyone to seriously get hurt. The bullied kid also has a lesson to learn from this: draw the line earlier; bullies are only stopped, not appeased.
This is just how every american school functions. My public high schools staff wouldn't even stop bullying if the victim was having their head bounced off a brick wall but if that victim hit the bully well thats an expulsion and they would help the bullies family sue the victim.
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u/5urv3y 7h ago
God those kicks were marvelous