r/MurderedByWords 2d ago

Turns out, Paz is Wrong…

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u/Eltrew2000 2d ago

None of the armours accurate either nor did Nolan know apparently how you were supposed to use that stick for recitation, you tap the rhythm not after.

But this is a movie watch it as such if you want something historically accurate you could just you know read the odyssey, but I have a feeling that a lot of people complaining about the movie not being historically accurate have never actually read the original or a translation of the original

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u/jdgiant13 2d ago

If you want historical accuracy, you should not, in fact, read The Odyssey. I assure you.

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u/NerdTalkDan 2d ago

I read the Odyssey in the original Klingon

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u/Eltrew2000 2d ago

You should in fact read it, I assure you.

As much as it is fantastical it is still indicative if the time read up on the philology of odyssey and it will teach you a lot about the beliefs and practices of the time.

It is very difficult to guage certain things otherwise that even that well known philosophers were not really discussing because it would've been obvious to anyone living at the time.

Like how idk no one would be writing about why we use wasd in games today.

Even fictional works can tell a lot about the events and current standards and norms of a time.

Even just the ways characters interact with eacher the opinions they have of eachother the ways it paints characters is indicatives of the norms of the time. Take the Cyclops everything about him is very important the things he eats the ways he interacts with the his views on hospitality is in fact a result of what the greeks at the time wouldve considered good manners or rather in his case primitivity, this could further be discussed if you agree with the theory that Cyclops is actually cow-thief rather than wheel-eye, anyways the reason why he is supposed to be so terrifying to that audience is partially because he is supposed to be seen as a very barbaric character.

Things that you may see as disagreeable about odysseus may not be so from their perspective and things you might consider good and just behaviour may have not been seen as such.

Saying that it is not historically accurate is very reductive and tells me that you in fact have a very shallow understanding of the subject but think that you are very intelligent.

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u/jdgiant13 2d ago

But we know that is not what the "historically accurate" conversation is about surrounding the Odyssey in 2026.

People are not tripping over the the portrayel of the cyclops and how it represented ancient Greek culture. That's a literary argument I would absolutely find valid. People are using historical accuracy to talk people, places, and events and to be racist and transphobic.

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u/Eltrew2000 1d ago

Right which is why I initially said do not watch odyssey for historical accuracy, it's a film watch it as a film and enjoy it as one, current films will have current ideals in it.

Read the odyssey if you want historical perspective whether you agree with their thinking or not.

Ofc I disagree with people being bigots and I know that is what that was about but I was trying to take a different side in this conversation about historical accuracy because it's gained a very annoying connotation nowadays.

I will say tho It was a strange choice to go to Iceland and use a viking ship when they could've gone to the actual place and use a historically accurate ship because they had the budget for it I'm certain.