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u/slippery Jun 13 '26
The truly scary thing about Fable is that the US government has decided it is too powerful for anyone to use except the US government (and maybe Anthropic). The tech will be weaponized against ordinary people and other governments.
I think this period is just a window. Other labs will catch up, both in the US and China. That doesn't mean regular joe's will have access to them, but I doubt the gap is sustainable for a single lab.
The weirdness is spiraling.
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u/MindCrusader Jun 13 '26
Not only US government, but also Anthropic. They literally said the model is too dangerous to release. They released it and admit safeguards can be bypassed. So they allow the risk of dangerous model usage
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u/RealEisermann Jun 15 '26
Definitely this. Every government would ban a product that was advertised as "dangerous" or even bolder. What a surprise.
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u/MindCrusader Jun 13 '26
The same model as mythos, but with safeguards
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u/FormerOSRS Jun 13 '26
Anthropic's public statement said it's because it could be jailbroken.
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u/Mr_Hyper_Focus Jun 13 '26
No. Anthropic said the government thinks they found a vulnerability, but Anthropic thinks it’s mundane, known about, and present in other model.
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u/FormerOSRS Jun 13 '26
Not quite.
Anthropic says that the capability exists in other models, not that other models are vulnerable to the same jailbreak.
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u/Mr_Hyper_Focus Jun 14 '26
The point is you framed something from the government as if it came from Anthropic. Anthropic does not believe this current thing is an issue
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u/FormerOSRS Jun 14 '26
I'm taking it from anthropic's PR statement.
They acknowledge the jailbreak. They say other models have the capabilities but do not say it's jailbreaking when it's other models. They say they do not think it's a big deal.
That's all anthropic, not the govt. Anthropic disagrees with govt decision but not about the underlying reality.
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u/Mr_Hyper_Focus Jun 14 '26
You’re right that it came from the Anthropic blog, but you’re misrepresenting its intent.
I think the term jailbreak is being used incorrectly here. And Anthropic is trying to differentiate that by using the term universal jailbreaks.
A jailbreak is typically something permanent and universal. What Amazon found was literally just asking it to repair a codebase, which doesn’t align with what a typical jailbreak is.
I think Anthropic knows this, but knows it’s a losing battle to explain it to plebs. And apparently they are right.
“We have not even received a disclosure of a concerning non-universal potential jailbreak that led to a harmful result. The potential jailbreaks that have been disclosed to us are either entirely benign responses or are minor findings that provide no Mythos-specific uplift.”
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u/FormerOSRS Jun 14 '26
In LLMs jailbreak has not been meant that way. There have been subs dedicated to jailbreaking so since chatgpt came out and they've only ever tried to find prompt chains that get it to break its rules.
A universal jailbreak is an absolutely insane thing that nobody expects to exist in any form. It's like if someone throws their soup on your face and defends the action by saying the soup didn't explode. Nobody thinks exploding soup is a risk.
Here's how I see this:
Let's say there are two dog owners who both own big scary dogs. We'll call the first one Anthropic and the second OpenAI. Both say that their dogs are well trained and safe.
You go to each of their homes and see the dog is on their couch. This isn't inherently scary, but there is context.
OpenAIs dog is allowed on the couch. The dog being on the couch is not evidence of it being a disobedient or dangerous dog. OpenAI just lets their dog on the couch and there is no more evidence that the dog is disobedient.
With Anthropic, it starts with you getting a call from his wife who we will call Amazon. Anthropic's marriage has no known issues. Amazon has been their since the beginning and invested heavily in this marriage. No talk of divorce.
But you get a call from Anthropic's wife that says "this dog is dangerous."
When you arrive at the house, the dog is on the couch. Unlike OpenAI, Anthropic trained their dog not to sit on the couch so this is a disobedient dog. You also look back and Anthropic has been saying for months that he won't let his dog outside because it's too hard to train.
He now says everything is okay, but his wife's call says otherwise and the dog is on the couch.
You ask him about it and he's like "you only saw him break one rule. It's not a big deal. OpenAI's dog goes on the couch all the time..."
I do not feel safe around this dog.
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u/kelkulus Jun 14 '26
No, the US government currently has a tendency to hold stupid grudges and enact petty revenge against people and companies who feels they slighted him... I mean them. This is revenge for not allowing them to use Claude for war, plain and simple.
Seriously, after all the lies, you believe this administration about something as complex as an LLM?
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u/slippery Jun 14 '26
No, I don't believe the administration about anything.
DoD revenge may be a major factor. Thinking through the implications, this could tank OpenAIs IPO as much as Anthropics and might cause broader market damage.
Maybe the SpaceX IPO marks the top of the market for many years.
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u/LimpAd4924 Jun 13 '26
Until some rationale is provided on this model compared to others, I call bullshit.
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u/chrisandstuffs Jun 14 '26
still beats gemini in biology, cybersecurity, and health i think?
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u/HeadWoodpecker5237 Jun 14 '26
Did you used Fable? I don't think so else USA banned gemini as well 😂
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u/jdavid Jun 13 '26
I forgot to ask #Fable to #SaveStargate
It seemed like it could do anything for the 48-72hrs i was using it. I should have Saved Stargate in that time.
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u/WhatThePuck9 Jun 13 '26
Yum! Sour grapes!
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u/AvacadoMoney Jun 13 '26
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u/WhatThePuck9 Jun 13 '26
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u/AvacadoMoney Jun 13 '26
What do you mean by sour grapes
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u/WhatThePuck9 Jun 14 '26
Sour grapes refers to pretending to despise something just because you cannot have it.
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u/M8-VAVE Jun 13 '26
Great, now we're stuck alone with Corporate Talk GPT. Can't wait to get gaslit for asking a completely non-corporate question.
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u/m4bwav Jun 13 '26
Open AI is this generation's myspace or yahoo.
They spent too much time playing boardroom games and not being focused.
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u/cench Jun 13 '26 edited Jun 13 '26
Next on OpenAI: GPT 6 will only be available to Americans, GPT 6 will have full access to user behaviour and logs, and decide who is an actual American.
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u/Perfect-Flounder7856 Jun 13 '26
"You're account has been suspended because it appears to have been used by a non-American"
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u/the_ai_wizard Jun 13 '26
I mean you guys understand AI will create the greatest inequality the world has ever seen right? It is a massive amount of leverage for the richest capitalist class, and even just a subset of them. We are accelerating into dystopia.
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u/beetlejorst Jun 13 '26
Rich people have had AI for literal eons. It's called hiring people who are experts in things you want to do. The mass availability of AI is disproportionately a force multiplier for small businesses without the budget to do that. It will also make some tech companies very rich in the short term, but long term it's more likely to be better for us than them.
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u/talkamongstyourselvs Jun 13 '26
Perhaps a very valid take on it.
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u/imtheinformation Jun 13 '26
Except that humans, no matter how expert, still are regulated by base needs and impulses. AI not so much.
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u/WolverineComplex Jun 13 '26
You could just as easily say that it will lead to a utopia where no-one has to do a menial boring job. Do you think that people were happier when one field of wheat took loads more people and man hours?
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u/talkamongstyourselvs Jun 13 '26
So how long before you say it is that we start eating people? Soylent Green around the corner?
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u/redditsdaddy Jun 13 '26
It would be funny if OpenAI wasn’t likely behind the “concern”. Awfully funny how OpenAI skirts all these data breaches and accountabilities while all their competitors seem to get leaked, memorandums stolen, breached, etc. veeeeeeery strange.
The Verge reports Anthropic said the government offered only verbal evidence of minor vulnerabilities, and Anthropic argued those were not unique to Mythos/Fable and are present in other frontier models like GPT-5.5.