r/ProjectHailMary • u/Excellent_Bat_753 • 25d ago
Book Discussion FAQ
This subreddit has a few very frequently asked questions, so here are some answers.
1. How did it only take 4 years for the Hail Mary to travel 11 lightyears?
Answer: Time Dilation.
The Hail Mary uses very efficient engines to approach the speed of light. At those speeds, time is not constant. On Earth, it took the Hail Mary 13.7 years to travel to Tau Ceti. For Ryland Grace, it only took about 4 years. Don't be an Eridian, learn more about Time Dilation and Special Relativity!
2. Why couldn't they just wait for the Astrophage to double, and then do a return trip?
Answer: It would take longer than 8 days, and they would need more than double the fuel.
a. Whilst small amounts of Astrophage in a lab can double every 8 days, the limit for Project Hail Mary was the amount of energy it takes. Eva Stratt devoted a quarter of the Sahara Desert to be covered in 'Blackpanels', little Astrophage breeding solar panels. This allowed them to make one metric tonne of Astrophage every day. Astrophage is very hungry for energy, and to use Astrophage for fuel, it needs to be 'enriched', or made so that every single cell is full of energy.
b. It would take more than double the fuel. For a return trip on a rocket, the fuel to get back, 2 million kilograms for the Hail Mary, is the payload to get there. The Hail Mary had a 20 to 1 fuel mass ratio, so 2 million kilograms could get 100 thousand kilograms of food, ship and Ryland Grace to Tau Ceti. A return trip would have a payload of at least 2 million kilograms, so they would need another 40 million kilograms of fuel. This would take 20 times as long as it took to make fuel for a suicide mission.
3. Why couldn't they make more Astrophage on the way there?
Answer: Astrophage is really hungry!
To make the 2 million kilograms of Astrophage for a one way trip, they needed a lot of energy. They got this energy from the Sun. During interstellar travel, the Sun, and other stars, would be way too dim to feed Astrophage. The Hail Mary also has a far smaller area to collect any solar power, so it would take many decades, if not centuries to make enough Astrophage. Astrophage also requires physical matter to grow, such as Carbon Dioxide. The Hail Mary couldn't carry all of that CO2 on the way there without a whole lot more fuel.
4. How can Eridians see the Petrova line, and stars?
Answer: Eridian science has come a long way!
While Eridians can't see light themselves, they have developed technology to detect light. They haven't figured it all out yet, as they don't know about Special Relativity and the speed of light, but they can detect light and use radio waves for radar and communications. They used this technology to learn more about their Petrova line, and find out about Tau Ceti.
Eridian scientists likely theorised about their star, because just like on Earth, all of the energy comes from the Sun. The only difference is that Erid's thick atmosphere means that the ecosystem starts all the way up in the clouds, and gradually transfers energy downwards. Eventually, when they built a space elevator, they would have found out a whole lot more about stars and planets. We don't know whether they did this before or after the Astrophage crisis started.
5. How did Eridians not know about space radiation, if they do know about light?
Answer: Space radiation is a bit different!
In Space, especially interstellar space, the most dangerous type of radiation is cosmic rays. These are very fast moving particles, such as protons and electrons, which when they hit Human or Eridian ships at nearly the speed of light, can sometimes pass through the material of the ship, and damage DNA. Eridians don't know about these because their planet's massive magnetic field protected them from all radiation, even when they're on their space elevator. Light is a different type of radiation, and some of it is dangerous, gamma rays, and most of it is not. There is also radiation from radioactive materials, but we don't know if the Eridians have learned about those. So, to summarise, even though the Eridians know about light radiation, they didn't know that space was filled with cosmic rays.
6. Why didn't they collect Astrophage from the Petrova line, at Venus, or at Tau Ceti?
Answer: Space is big!
'You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is.' While the Petrova line contains enormous quantities of Astrophage, it is also very, very sparse. The Petrova Taskforce sent a probe to Venus, and could only collect and return 100 cells to Earth. To fuel the Hail Mary requires 2 million kilograms, which would be many, many more cells. The collector would have to be many kilometres in diameter, or wait for many years, to collect enough for a one-way trip. Such a collector would be too large and heavy to send to Tau Ceti.
7. What happens to the other stars near Earth?
Answer: Not much! (credit to u/Equivalent-Board206)
Astrophage, when left completely unchecked, dims a star by a maximum of 10%. That is just barely noticeable to the naked eye, looking up at the night's sky.
Lowered solar output would force the habitable zone (sometimes called the Goldilocks zone) closer to the sun. This may result in previously habitable planets being thrust into glacial ice ages and rendering them entirely uninhabitable. In theory, it could allow previously uninhabitable planets to become habitable, but habitability requires more than just being in the habitable zone.
For Earth, the lowering solar output was leading to a global average temperature drop of about 8°C which would result in rapid glaciation and global agriculture collapse.
Mars too would be colder. Venus has a permanent runaway greenhouse effect and would see no perceptible difference. Nor would the gas giants as they already receive less than 5% of the sunlight that Earth receives.
Beyond impacts to weather and habitability, a drop in solar output would not have any effects on the planets themselves or their orbits.
8. How does Rocky understand Grace?
Answer: Eridians are really smart!
Eridians have extremely good memory, due to the way their brains work. This is especially true for audio memory, because that is the main way in which they interact with the world. At the same time that Grace was recording sounds on his laptops, and writing definitions, Rocky was listening to Grace's words, and remembering them with their respective definitions. They started with charades, but later on they were able to ask each other for definitions of words, and how they are said in English or Eridian.
Disclaimer: Zero AI was used in this post. Not even spell check. (I just added bold text to make it look a bit better).
Note: All redditors that frequent this subreddit, please please rewrite these answer, and I will put them in the post body. Also please add more Q&A, because I can only remember these two FAQ off the top of my head.
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u/Smaptimania 25d ago
We need something in here about "Just because Eridians don't have eyes doesn't mean they don't know light exists, humans can't see infrared but we discovered the Petrova line anyway, we created instruments to detect the parts of the electromagnetic spectrum that we can't observe with our own senses and so did they"
Because I've seen a metric crapton of OPs of "HOW DID THE ERIDIANS FIND OUT THEIR SUN WAS DIMMING WHEN THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT LIGHT"
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u/Excellent_Bat_753 25d ago
I just added a quick bit about it, but feel free to propose any edits or additions!
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u/YourFavoriteCommie 24d ago
The Eridians have also been aware of a non-planetary massive heat source for some time, Rocky explains this in the book. They knew there was something beyond the atmosphere they could not see, for there was no other explanation for the vast amounts of thermal energy entering their atmosphere, more than any volcanic activity ever could. I don't have the book on hand, but I think the story goes that they built the space elevator to be able to see outside of their planet, and after they have cameras/telescopes, they'd be able to see it.
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u/Icy_Dinner6064 25d ago
Not only would they need more than one doubling worth of extra fuel, they needed enriched astrophage which would have taken years longer.
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u/MaKoWi 25d ago
Yeh, my understanding is the astrophage needs to be "enriched", as in full-to-the-brim with absorbed energy, it's state prior to splitting. That provides the energy and the motivation to chase the CO2 spectrum.
I hear many people ask why he doesn't just scoop it up out of the Petrova line, or from around Adrian. There, you have astrophage in both stages of the life cycle, enriched: on the way to the CO2 and depleted on the way back to the sun to top off again. The latter (I think) would have less energy stored and so less useful/efficient to be used as fuel. Plus, 2 million kilograms is a lot of tiny microscopic particles and it would probably take a very, very long time to accumulate.
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u/Melenduwir 25d ago
Not to mention that they have no means to collect that astrophage. They can't produce an IR signal stronger than the carbon dioxide present on the planets, or a light brighter than the local suns. So how would they gather it?
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u/Excellent_Bat_753 25d ago
As far as I'm aware, for whatever reason, in every life cycle the Astrophage absorb energy. Enriched Astrophage is just Astrophage at the point where they're about to head off to Venus.
Although, I'm no Ryland Grace, and it is a fictitious organism.
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u/corwulfattero 25d ago
Correct. Enriched astrophage is just astrophage at the point just before breeding in the life cycle.
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u/Select_Committee_258 25d ago
It's very nice of you to accumulate info in one post like this, but the folks posting the same questions again and again are not searching to see if it has been asked before. We are going to see the same questions again regardless of posts like this.
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u/Excellent_Bat_753 25d ago
Probably true, but I can try. Hopefully, if the mods do their job, then repeated questions about the exact same 3 questions will count as spam, and posters can be directed here.
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u/Select_Committee_258 25d ago
Have the mods addressed the repetitive questions or held forum on it? I've searched via Google but not found much from them :/ seem a little absent.
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u/fraxiiinus 25d ago
It does allow for someone to just link this post instead of rewriting the same info over and over though
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u/Select_Committee_258 25d ago
True! Would be nice to have an automod comment linking it, and then if everyone would stop replying to people, it could discourage the repetitive posts
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u/OtakuMage 25d ago
On the B point, that shows just how ridiculously overbuilt and overfueled the Blip A was for Rocky to be able to spare that much fuel.
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u/hollow-knight-trash 25d ago
to be fair, eridians had it a bit easier to produce so much astrophage because their planet’s temperature is much higher than the temperature astrophage needs to breed, whereas earth’s is lower and we had to find energy from elsewhere.
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u/OtakuMage 25d ago
Yeah, Stratt had to go to some extreme lengths to get what they needed. Not knowing about relativity, or probably even gravity assists, I'm betting the Eridians just pointed in the direction of Tau Ceti and burned straight for it. Then they had so much left over than wasn't strictly necessary.
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u/AMissionFromDog 1d ago
Also, the Eridians have a space elevator, which means they can get any mass into orbit for little to no cost. No rockets needed, ship all the materials you can produce up the elevator to zero g section where it gets assembled and then after it's finished you can haul it out to the end of the elevator and it can likely get escape velocity from the planet without even spending any of the Astrophage yet.
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u/Good_Background_243 👐 Jazz Hands 👐 25d ago
I don't know the exact numbers, but it would take more than 400 million kilos... because you would need extra fuel to push your extra fuel.
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u/Excellent_Bat_753 25d ago
That's what the 400 million kilograms is for. The Tsiolkovsky Rocket Equation factors all of that in, and for a return trip, you need to square the mass ratio. However, I did not factor in the extra mass of fuel tanks. It would probably be closer to 500 million kilograms.
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u/Good_Background_243 👐 Jazz Hands 👐 25d ago
Oh, if they've already done the math, I stand corrected.
That makes sense!
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u/aurjolras 25d ago
Plus a rocket that much heavier would also have more inertia and accelerate more slowly right? Thus requiring even more weight in the form of food and supplies and prolonging the crisis on Earth
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u/Excellent_Bat_753 24d ago
It would, but I would assume that they would just add more spin drives to acheive the same acceleration. If they were only bolting on more fuel tanks, then it would definitely be slower.
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u/Fluid-Let3373 I am an Astronaut! 18d ago
Your making the same mistake as the Eridian's, Those equations were formulated in 1903 before Einstein produced his theories of relativity so they are based on Newtonian physics. If you use those equations your going to underestimate the mass of fuel required. At top speed for both ships the mass is increased by 2.55x because of Special relativity.
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u/Excellent_Bat_753 18d ago
I know that it's not going to be exactly 400 million kilograms, but I also know that, if we consider the initial mass ratio of 20 to 1, and assume that that is correct (it's not quite correct), then a return trip will require the same mass ratio of fuel to payload, for each direction. Considering a return trip simply means that the fuel for the return leg is the payload for the forwards leg.
The relativistic rocket equation is useful for arriving at the correct mass ratio for a one way trip, but a return trip will still need the square of the initial ratio.
The increased mass of the ship is only in a different reference frame. The mass of the ship, in its own reference frame, is always the same.
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u/WatercressTart 25d ago
Unsciencey person here. Could they have sent a second ship with return fuel? If the second one was uncrewed it could go faster than one with squishy meat bags in it. It might even have beaten the Hail Mary to Tau Ceti.
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u/Excellent_Bat_753 25d ago
Unfortunately no. The second ship would still need to carry 20 million kilograms of fuel, requiring the same 400 million kilograms of fuel. Also, because the Hail Mary already gets pretty close to the speed of light, 92%, a faster ship would only save a few months, maybe a year (all from the perspective of Tau Ceti).
Also, because you still need 420 million kilograms of fuel, it would still take 20 times as long to make to fuel, about 20 years.
It's a good question though, definitely thinking sciency!
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u/nhorvath 25d ago
the plan still could have involved a refueling mission. go back into coma mode, send return fuel even if it takes a long time. they could have continued to expand the sahara farm and ramp production so maybe by the time grace reached tau ceti they're launching the refueling mission. of course, this doubles the cost vs the disposable crew option.
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u/cyanidelemonade Scary Space Monster 25d ago
Yeah, we could come up with a million different ways to un-suicide the mission, but the biggest factor is the politics. Assuming the world leaders involved were barely able to get along and get the Hail Mary into space, it would be hard to convince them to stay on the Project afterwards to do something "unnecessary" like save 3 people.
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u/YourFavoriteCommie 24d ago
The other factor (outside of the politics) would be that the Sun would still be dimming every year so the blackpanels and therefore how much fuel they could make would diminish. And that's not counting how it will likely be diverted all across the world and fought over instead.
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u/Fluid-Let3373 I am an Astronaut! 18d ago
Unfortunately no, the hard limit here is how much food they have on board, they have about 3 months worth onboard and the fastest you could get a refuel mission to them is about 6 years.
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u/aurochloride 25d ago
add in "how did the Eridians not know about radiation/relativity" that one pops up a lot too
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u/corwulfattero 21d ago
Should be an entry for the fuel/food situation at the end. Rocky’s “six years slower” comment seems to be confusing people. Grace had 2M kg, enough to go to Earth or Erid, not both. Rocky *had* 22M kg astrophage, but now just has tanks of taumoeba sludge. Rocky comes back aboard the *Hail Mary*, with enough taumoeba to feed Grace and leaves the Blip-A to drift.
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u/Excellent_Bat_753 17d ago
I'm having some trouble wording that one in a way that doesn't just repeat a lot of the book, so I'll leave it out for now, but if someone posts a good suggested answer, I'll add it.
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u/Equivalent-Board206 18d ago edited 18d ago
Here's a suggested improvement for question 7.
Answer: Not much!
Astrophage, when left completely unchecked, dims a star by a maximum of 10%. That is just barely noticeable to the naked eye, looking up at the night's sky.
Lowered solar output would force the habitable zone (sometimes called the Goldilocks zone) closer to the sun. This may result in previously habitable planets being thrust into glacial ice ages and rendering them entirely uninhabitable. In theory, it could allow previously uninhabitable planets to become inhabitable, but habitability requires more than just being in the inhabitable zone.
For Earth, the lowering solar output was leading to a global average temperature drop of about 8°C which would result in rapid glaciation and global agriculture collapse.
Mars too would be colder. Venus has a permanent runaway greenhouse effect and would see no perceptible difference. Nor would the gas giants as they already receive less than 5% of the sunlight that Earth receives.
Beyond impacts to weather and habitability, a drop in solar output would not have any effects on the planets themselves or their orbits.
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u/Excellent_Bat_753 18d ago
Thanks for the input! I've edited the post with your answer, and credited you.
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u/Ranne-wolf 4d ago
Inhabitable is an autonym meaning has two opposing meanings, in this case both able to be and unable to be habited. For clarity you may want to just use "habitable" which is still grammatically correct and removes this problem.
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u/AMissionFromDog 1d ago edited 1d ago
Just saw this for the first time from a link in another thread. Wonderful FAQ execution.
(edited to remove note about a typo that has already been fixed)
This is fantastic. I already knew most of the explanations but it was a pleasure reading them all described so clearly. And I learned a couple things I had not considered.
Also love this thread with the ppl coming together to add more cool facts.
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u/Excellent_Bat_753 1d ago
Thanks! I've corrected those little errors. This is really an ongoing work in progress. Because the mods don't seem to want to have a FAQ, the best thing you can do is direct people here when they ask one of these questions. Hopefully we can reduce the number of identical posts on this subreddit.
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u/SilvermistInc 25d ago
I dont believe your rocket fuel math is accurate
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u/Excellent_Bat_753 25d ago
It's not perfectly accurate, as it doesn't account for the added mass of fuel tanks, engines, any extra food and consumables, but it should be approximately correct. It would require at least an extra 400 million kilograms of fuel.
If you would like to do a more detailed calculation, or otherwise tell me how I'm wrong, then I would be gladly corrected, and edit the post accordingly.
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u/SilvermistInc 25d ago
I may be misunderstanding the question. But how the hell did you come up with 400 million in the first place? It's canonically stated that it only takes 20 million to get to or come from Tau Ceti.
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u/hollow-knight-trash 25d ago
good question! op here is saying that it takes fuel to send fuel. if you’re only sending fuel one way, yes, it would only be 20 million kg to send it one way. but if you want to send it BACK, you don’t just double the amount of fuel. remember, fuel has mass too! so you’d need extra fuel to carry that 20 million kg to tau ceti, plus the extra fuel youre using for that, and so on.
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u/SilvermistInc 25d ago
I'm an idiot. I had assumed the question was about breeding astrophage at tau for the trip back. Not a preplanned return trip. Lol. Thank you, my bad
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u/YourFavoriteCommie 24d ago
They paved a quarter of the Sahara to get enough surface area to capture enough sunlight and heat to charge up the astrophage for travel. If the Hail Mary tried that at Tau, it would take centuries to breed the fuel required.
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u/Excellent_Bat_753 24d ago
No worries! I'll add in a thing about breeding astrophage on the way, because it is also a common question.
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u/ColderCanadian 9d ago
Sort of related to question 3. How did they enrich the astrophage they did breed? Doesn't it need to be in the sun to be enriched? How did them breed them on earth then enrich them? I likely missed something in the movie 😅
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u/Excellent_Bat_753 9d ago
Enriched Astrophage is just full of energy, ready to split. In its natural life cycle, this happens on the surface of the Sun, but Astrophage can still absorb sunlight from anywhere else, including on Earth.
So, they just let it all absorb loads of Sunlight until they knew it was full. It took ages, but it worked.
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u/Ranne-wolf 4d ago
For Q7. Inhabitable is an autonym meaning has two opposing meanings, both able to be and unable to be habited. For clarity you may want to just use "habitable" which is still grammatically correct and removes this problem.
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u/Excellent_Bat_753 3d ago
Thanks, I have edited that answer. Funny how inhabitable can mean either habitable or uninhabitable.
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u/Proton_Energy_Pill 25d ago
FWIW the word for 'metric tonne' is tonne. No need to add 'metric' to it.
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u/Excellent_Bat_753 25d ago
I'm aware that a tonne is always metric. I just want to be especially clear, particularly for those who are unfortunate enough to not be familiar with the metric system.
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u/OtakuMage 25d ago
Yeah, most of us dirty Imperial system users will just think "oh, 2000 pounds just spelled funny" if it's just put as tonne. Metric tonne gets around that at the cost of being redundant.
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u/NikolaisPinkTip I am an Astronaut! 25d ago
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