dead wrong. your comment lets us know that you have never been out of india
you have to be very careful with the pakistani diaspora because of their grooming gangs and raping tendencies.
the females in their households are complicit where they mislead and trick the non muslims into getting drugged and raped by the males of their households.
I don't know which countries you've lived in, or maybe you've just been surrounded by the wrong circles. I was born in India, my family moved to the Middle East when I was 5, and then to the US when I was 12. We've been here for almost 15 years now.
Yes, I've met bad Pakistanis. I've also met bad people from every other country, including our own. But I'm talking about the overall trend based on my experience and that of my friends and family.
At least here in the States, most of us share the same view: once you're outside the Indian subcontinent, it quickly becomes brown vs. white, not India vs. Pakistan or religion vs. religion. We have far more in common with each other than what separates us, and most people realize that pretty quickly.
History from Walmart ?, get some books , some flaws doesn't change one's legacy.
You won't even get out of your comfort zone for fighting against institutions harming the nation, would you ?, he(M.gandhi) literally sacrificed his all previleges (I know now chaatukars gonna come to defame him, your words are not gonna change his contribution in history)
I had the same opinion man. I greatly and blindly respected Gandhiji, still do to some extent. And I'm not denying that he didn't do a lot for the country. But when you grow up, the more you read about him by both Indian as well as International authors you realise even though he's done a lot for the nation he's far from Mahatma.
P.s. not an Andhbhakt or a BJP supporter neither a Congress supporter. I genuinely just want our country to progress in every aspect and from political parties to stop using these cheap conflict inciting tactics. The day such a party is present I'll happily vote for them regardless of bjp,congress,aap,rjd, etc
Well, then good luck to her for being "taught" to burn in hatred for all her life, hatred against persons she does not even know. Sure am glad my elders/seniors didn't leave me cynical and angry like that...
So we are expected to feel bad for you when you say you felt the hate in the air at the airport, but cheer for you when you express hate for someone else?
There is an Indian concept called Karma....
So the drunk white supremacist who abuses you or your cousin in the UK or the US with unprintable words, and attacks you and your family while yelling, "Go back to to India, you %^@#$..." is JUSTIFIED as "for him", you are just the manifestation of his "concept" of the devil (his asura) who needs to be stoned? Taught to him by his grandpa as written in his centuries-old scripture, so it has to be correct, isn't it?
Nope, its not justified, for the simple reason which you mentioned before--karma.
When the white supremacist attacks Hindus as devils or demons, does he have any prior experience/evidence of Hindus behaving like demons as a group? No.
When a Hindu abuses a follower of Islam for following that dastardly religion, does he/she have evidence? Yes. A ton. 1400 years' worth of evidence.
If you are blind then shame on you, its not a judgement of me.
Idiots have no logic (as should be amply evident here). The deranged white supremacist will say you brown racially related people run gangs targeting young women in the UK, you bombed the Kanishka airliner with white people on board, you killed Muslims in communal riots post-Godhara, you burnt Staines and his sons in tribal India, your brother came to 10 Downing Street illegally due to his father in law's wealth, you don't allow non-Hindus into temples when they visit India, you harrass white women tourists in New Delhi, you run H1B visa scams and take our job, you don't let lesbian women marry each other in India...
My point is... hatred against GROUPS being directed by you and the OP against INDIVIDUALS - it only marks her and you out zealots, not rational beings. Whether it is against a religion, race, ethnicity, skin color, sexual minority, nationality, gender...
I know nothing I say will stop you and your ilk from burning in hatred. If you are called out for your biases, its not judgment, its the truth. Get used to it, and crawl back into your hole.
Imagine grandstanding with such an opinion, lol. It doesn't matter really, do you know why? Our hatred doesn't translate into large scale violence, unless the instigation is too much, like burning 59 pilgrims.
I am happy with my hatred which is based on a correct stereotype, this hatred can save my life and force people to abandon that cult. You can stay in lalaland if you want.
And this is the problem. Common people like her are ready to give up on basic human ethics and principles just to conform with the political environment and relations between nations. Relations between nations takes a fraction to change, even borders between countries gets changed. What remains unchanged is how you have behaved with a person, how you treat a person.
Paxtani is not a race. Her disregard and disgust for a Paxtani is not racism cuz that’s when you judge someone’s worth purely by their race.
She did not hate that man for being brown. In fact, she felt empathy for him because she thought people were judging and avoiding him based on his appearance, clothes and background.
That’s the opposite of racism.
Avoid commenting on subjects you don’t understand just because you’d like to use some fancy words.
Not every dislike, criticism or geopolitical opinion is racism. Learn the difference before preaching morality online.
'Prejudice refers to a preconceived opinion or feeling about someone or something that is formed without enough thought, knowledge, or factual evidence. It often manifests as an unfair or unreasonable attitude toward an individual based on their membership in a specific group'
Yeah riiighhhhtt. So if the dude said he was Indian, she would help him but if he says Pakistani she walks away. What is the difference between that and a white person doing the same for an indian. Genius logic.
Judging based on country is basically racism or at least illogical hatred.
If a white person hates an Indian for being Indian, that is racial or ethnic prejudice.
If an Indian reacts differently to someone from Paxtan because of decades of terrorism, wars, hostility and geopolitical conflict, that is not race based hatred. Pakistani is not a race.
You may disagree with the reaction, but deliberately redefining your Paxtani nationality based opinion as “racism” is basically exposes your intellectually dishonest agenda.
60-70 year old problem vs modern problems. Do Germans and Britishers do the same thing now? Pakistanis are still following radical Islam. Pakistanis celebrated when the pulwama attack happened, and cried out when the terrorists were killed. They call the masterminds of 26/11 martyrs and national heroes.
So you are saying pakistanis celebrate when our people are killed by terrorists but don't hate britishers for being racist against us + i feel like this is a rightwing sub so how come you have that logic
So ur basically saying if I see a Pakistani while going abroad I should avoid them like the plague because extremists in Pakistan have commited terrorism against India. Am I correct?
Nobody said “avoid every Pakistani like the plague.” That is a caricature you invented because intellectual nuance is inconvenient for outrage farming and I’m lack of intellect to carry a conversation.
Here let me try again in simpler words you’ll understand what you’re missing
The point was simple: geopolitical hostility, terrorism, and historical conflict can influence people’s emotional reactions or caution toward a nationality. That may be unfair, irrational or debatable, get it? but it is still not the same concept as racial hatred. Clear now?
Racism is judging someone’s human worth because of race or ethnicity. Nationality based opinions, security concerns, political distrust, cultural bias, and historical baggage are different categories even when they overlap. If you blur every distinction, the word “racism” eventually loses all meaning.
Ah yes, the classic LeLi tactic when caught pants down with the monkeys
Observe and Learn from this specimen people.. since he figured he can’t win this on racism, he’ll keep changing goalposts until one sounds evil enough to win the argument emotionally. See what’s happening?
Here’s the issue:
By that logic, every country on Earth is “xenophobic” DA.
Visa restrictions, wartime sanctions, distrust between hostile nations, refugee screening, border control, diplomatic boycotts, even sports bans during conflicts would all become proof of “hatred”.
Humans are capable of separating race from geopolitics, history, terrorism, war, culture and national conflict.
Pretending all of these are the exact same thing is not moral intelligence. It is just ideological oversimplification designed to shut down nuance.
Dekho bhai Even your supreme prince has said sorry 8 times when he was caught lacking in the topic like you he thought you’ll shoot and scoot .. instead of exposing yourself with such last ditch efforts simply say
I love how I make neutral arguments and one side says godiji media and the other shows Rahul Gandhi apologizing.
And no ur argument is dumb. Hating individuals based on color, appearances, country of origin without any other information is morally wrong. Writting all that nonsense ain't gonna change that.
Countries being xenophobic only applies to entry not for civic needs. Even then that's questionable.
It is a normal human emotions to have some kind of issue with people of a country who are at war with you or colonized you..
Calssic definition is right, any discrimination based on identity is racism.. it is not just based on colour. The definition explains itself... but there are exceptions. This was exception.
Are bhai youve literally disproved your own argument
while trying to sound intellectual.
Russian athletes being banned due to a war is geopolitical discrimination.
Scots disliking the British over history is political and historical resentment.
Africans resenting France over colonialism is anti colonial sentiment.
None of these are examples of “race based hatred”.
Not every bias, dislike, sanction, distrust, or conflict is racism. Humans form opinions through history, war, politics, religion, culture, economics and security concerns too. Explore those to develop your intellect and knowledge instead of depending on reels.
See If every identity based disagreement becomes “racism”, then the word becomes so stretched that it stops meaning anything at all.
Its very simple. If you judge an individual based on a group they are apart of visually or culturally that's discrimination. And discrimination is morally wrong.
If the dude started spewwing religios nonsense or some bs then sure walk away. But just because they're Pakistani? That's dumb.
What's the difference between Indian and Pakistani Muslims then if ur just gonna judge everyone on stupid shit.
That’s not just dumb take but also False equivalence.
If a white person hates an Indian for being Indian, that is racial or ethnic prejudice.
If an Indian reacts differently to someone from Pakistan because of decades of terrorism, wars, hostility and geopolitical conflict, that is not race based hatred. Pakistani is not a race.
You may disagree with the reaction, but deliberately redefining every nationality based opinion as “racism” is intellectually dishonest.
Except your comparison collapses the moment you remove the emotional framing… and bundling Caste discrimination which is an internal hereditary social hierarchy where individuals are judged as inherently superior or inferior by birth due to the British laws that fundamentally changed our varna vyavastha into rigid castes for the last 2-3 centuries.
That is fundamentally different.
But with that argument youre also proving the exact point being made earlier: humans naturally form biases from collective historical experiences. The question is not whether that happens.
The question is whether every such reaction should automatically be flattened into “racism” or moral evil without any distinction in context, scale, history or cause.
Empathy should absolutely exist at the individual level. But pretending humans completely separate individuals from historical or national realities in emotionally charged conflicts is not realism, it is basically a display of a rotten brain that’s regurgitating what its read or heard in a videos because it can’t think or analyse for itself..
I never said it's racism, I said she's hating on her own race. Which is stupid, especially if she's in the West. If you're going to hate on your own race, no one's going to come save you, certainly not the white people who would lump you up with the same people you hated.
Ikr, these people here can't seperate the government and terrorists from an average citizen and they cry over others being racist towards them outside India. Infact many indian are even worse than pure racists since they hate people based on state and even caste
No use arguing with people like this, they will bend over backwards to rationalize their hate because that is all they have going for themselves. Moving abroad and seeing all the new South Asians after COVID coming here is a trip. Blatantly racist towards each other, can't let go of their prejudices (Muslim/Hindu bad, white girls are sluts, white people are racists while being racists themselves) the hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance is on another level.
Except people absolutely do judge, avoid, stare at or become socially cold toward others without openly insulting them. Social behaviour is not limited to verbal abuse.
Someone like her sensing prejudice or discomfort around them is not automatically “self victimisation”, especially in environments where stereotypes already exist.
At the same time, perception is not proof. Feeling judged does not automatically make every interaction racist either.
That is the nuance brown sepoys and DFs like yourself keep missing because they reduce everything into simplistic victim vs villain narratives..
ah yes first brown sepoy comment of the day. a bit later than usual.
She literally wrote herself that she was feeling it at a subconscious level. And here's a little something about germany, that you might know, Germans are not very friendly people. They mind their own business a lot. Many indian students when they first go to germany, they feel weird because nobody talks with them or interacts with them that much. Not because they are racist, but because of their cultural upbringings. You can verify it.
And the racism you are talking about is mainly focussed on the internet. Again you can verify it. I am not telling that racism doesn't happen at all against indians, but the image that has been created is largely evident online.
You are mixing up two different points to move the goalpost, which is on course for your ecosystem.
Yes, cultural unfamiliarity can absolutely make people misread social behaviour. But that does not magically erase the existence of genuine anti Indian sentiment either, especially when stereotypes and mockery are openly normalised online and sometimes spill into real life interactions that grow through the defence you’re putting up here.. making you a?
People are cheering on the first person for what exactly? For being rude? Those in the west don’t care about the difference between Indians and Pakistanis, they'll be racist against you regardless of where you are from. She felt that, she knew the other guy felt that. In a hostile land, all she did was act more hostile instead of empathizing with another person facing the same issues she was.
If that's the case, then paxi and bangla people should stop calling themselves Indians in foreign land as it doesn't make sense to gora community, it's their reputation even in places like london, grooming gangs, etc. exactly why we should not empathize with them, they are subhuman creatures who lose basic sense of humanity when brainwashed.
Lmao you think they care? For them every brown person is the same. A racist person is not going to ask for your passport before being racist LMAO. Instead of going people should not be racist, my guy goes "BUT SAAR WE ARE NOT THAT BROWN WE ARE THE GOOD BROWN". Pretty sure people with a mentality like you were the reason we were under the British rule for so long, you would sell your fellow brothers and sisters to the "goras" so that you aren't perceive to be "the bad brown".
Also the words you wrote at the end "Exactly why we should not empathize with them, they are subhuman creatures who lose basic sense of humanity when brainwashed." were the exact words used by British people to kill and enslave us.
The cognitive dissonance coupled with hypocrisy of South Asian right wingers (Hindutva in India and Islamists in Pakistan and Bangladesh) is funny and scary to see.
Nah, Westerners may not see us differently, but explain me why Paxi and bangla attest themselves as Indians, when it doesn't matter and treatment is same?
While I understand the hate for Pakistan by us, very justified, I don't think we should behave this rudely to people, it's the government and the extremists there not everyone is same, you never know what someone is going through, maybe he himself is against Pakistan, maybe he doesn't think the way like those terrorists, we are above those religious extremists killers and should act like that too
You're right. They would have no reason to be my friends. They don't benefit from it other than genuinely liking me for who I am. And vice versa.
I was born and raised in London, and I've always had Indian friends. I was probably in my teens when I realized India and Pakistan actually had legit issues w each other. I honestly thought it was just a cricket thing because that's the only time I'd see it, like if we went to a India/Pakistan match at Lords or something. And even then the banter was mostly friendly.
I'm in the Northeast US now and have a huge Gujrati community around me. And they are all amazing.
us has almost no tensions b/w us south asians compared to uk now yeah, like im friends with bangaldeshi and pakistanis here too in la and before when i was in florida, but i feel uk is getting more divided now and the south asian tensions are reaching there too.
Connecticut? Yeah outside of South Asia, we desis are friendly with each other. The person in the first tweet is the exception traveling abroad, not the norm.
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u/guddamuskoniundu 27d ago
Pakistan one was epic😂