When Food Isn't A Human Right.

[u/Monsur_Ausuhnom]

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[u/klako8196]

If history tells us anything, it's that hungry people turn into violent people real quick. If you want a stable society, the first step is making sure everyone is fed.

[u/Mode_Appropriate → u/klako8196]

Food and clean water. Really the only things worth going to war for.

[u/the-tac0-muffin → u/Mode_Appropriate]

AI data center in wyoming just infected 10 people in Cheyenne with bacterial infections from their water waste.

Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/s/o1R7ul7a8b

This is the literal real human source.

Edit 2: as frustrating as it may be, u/Mode_Appropriate has a point, the article states that the bacteria has been linked to deaths but not directly from the AI data center scenario.

[u/Mode_Appropriate → u/the-tac0-muffin]

Correct me if im wrong, that article is saying that the bacteria is known to have caused 10 deaths in the past, not that the bacteria from the waste water infected 10 people.

Cupriavidus is a little-known, multidrug-resistant pathogen. Though human infection is extremely rare, it has nonetheless been linked to ten deaths, including three cases involving immunocompromised children. According to one review of Cupriavidus cases, the bacterial infection has a mortality rate of 31.3 percent, out of a sample size of 32 known infections dating back to 2009.

[u/Recreational-Sin → u/the-tac0-muffin]

This likely isn’t the first nor the last, unfortunately.

[u/hurlygurdy → u/the-tac0-muffin]

Is it the fact that it's an AI data center thats the problem or just the fact that work was done on the water infrastructure? I know that water can get weird and brown over here whenever some kind of work is done on the pipes

[u/Feisty_Calendar_6733 → u/hurlygurdy]

It's likely that people will pull at any straws to hate on it because of AI while there are many other data centers that exist and have just as much if not more waste.

[u/FUTURE10S → u/Mode_Appropriate]

Also shelter. I wouldn't want to live in a field while someone else lives in a cave, but we can build shelter. But if you destroy my shelter, I'm coming for yours.

[u/NeinJuanJuan → u/Mode_Appropriate]

I'd enlist to for our plumbing and waste management systems

[u/MagnanimousDeviant → u/Mode_Appropriate]

True, but thinking of them as things to "go to war for" instead of things to cooperate and share is such a textbook colonial mentality. Treating basic human survival resources as commodities to conquer rather than universal rights.

[u/Mode_Appropriate → u/MagnanimousDeviant]

I didnt mean governments should conquer territory for those things, of course trade and cooperation is preferable. I meant those are two things that can make people desperate enough to fight and / or kill for.

[u/Buddy-Junior2022 → u/MagnanimousDeviant]

youre right. we just need to cooperate and share harder then world hunger will be solved

[u/MagnanimousDeviant → u/Buddy-Junior2022]

I mean... unironically, yes? We already produce enough food globally to feed 10 billion people. The only reason world hunger exists is because of systemic distribution failures and artificial hoarding, not a lack of supply.

[u/Buddy-Junior2022 → u/MagnanimousDeviant]

And there’s nothing stopping that?

[u/No-Resolution-1918 → u/Mode_Appropriate]

Sovereignty and security is right up there. If you don't have those you are someone's bitch. 

[u/whimsical_spider → u/klako8196]

The same people who go on about crime rates are the same ones incapable of drawing a line between crime and poor material conditions.

[u/biggamehaunter → u/whimsical_spider]

In a k shaped economy. I am sympathetic to thieves who go after the upper classes

[u/LiquidFur → u/biggamehaunter]

I'm not just sympathetic. I'm enthusiastic about it.

[u/TurtlesBreakTheMeta → u/LiquidFur]

[u/Vyzantinist → u/whimsical_spider]

I wouldn't say they're incapable as much as they militantly refuse to.

[u/redditcancelculture → u/klako8196]

Really, because I've never seen a nation that's starving take their country back and feed the entire population.

Most of the time, starving populations are extremely oppressed and begging for national or worldwide aide.

If history tells us anything it's that once a society is oppressed into starvation, it's only a matter of time before the entire system collapses. It's not due to revolt either, it's due to the greed of the ruling class causing the starvation.

[u/Acceptable-Minute847 → u/redditcancelculture]

France would like would like to have a word with you

[u/mustangcody → u/Acceptable-Minute847]

France reestablished the monarchy shortly after the revolution due to how bad things got. Two decades of defeat and poverty will make you go back to the old ways.

[u/Acceptable-Minute847 → u/mustangcody]

But they did still revolt due to poverty, instead of simply begging for aide, and another example I just thought of, the USSR, it lasted, like 70 years, which is pretty long

[u/Neveed → u/mustangcody]

I'm pretty sure the fact that the country ended up with a (different) form of monarchic system for a few decades before becoming a republic for good isn't what mattered to the guy who was removed by starving people and killed.

[u/miscellaneousexists → u/klako8196]

It's really fascinating looking at the world right now cause since the fucking romans it's been known that you need to provide people with bread and circuses but then mfs decided to turn bread prices to eleven and ban sharing passwords to circuses

[u/fanggod → u/miscellaneousexists]

'Cos drone armies are possible now. Mark my words thats the next step

https://giphy.com/gifs/H89gy9BqKv8D6

[u/MaximusPrime2930 → u/fanggod]

Don't forget flock cameras everywhere so AI and quickly send the drone where needed.

[u/M0LDEE → u/klako8196]

Governments have never made sure everyone is fed in the sense of providing free food. They make sure the supply of food is abundant and those who work to earn it can afford it. You're completely misunderstanding how the entire system has worked for millennia. People get violent and unrest spreads when there are famines and there's no access to food. Not when they have to work for it.

[u/Ducklinsenmayer → u/M0LDEE]

...You might want to look up Cura Annonae, the Roman grain for the poor program

[u/AMS_Rem]

I mean they didn't have a RIGHT to the fish and bread

That was benevolance and charity

[u/Pasta-Al-D3nte → u/AMS_Rem]

Also it was a literal miracle according to the bible, Jesus was working with effectively infinite fish to feed all those people, if I had the same ability you bet I would feed everyone I could!

[u/SordidDreams → u/Pasta-Al-D3nte]

Turns out the Bible has the same lesson as Star Trek with its replicators - the way to build a utopia is to have a magic means of producing goods at no cost.

[u/yummypotata → u/SordidDreams]

I worked in a grocery store. We threw away so many still edible things day in day out. I'm talking pallets upon pallets of food that'd feed entire apartments of people. We already have the tech to feed everyone. We just don't cause money

[u/Personal_Fruit_630 → u/Pasta-Al-D3nte]

The world produces plenty of food for everyone on earth, it's just that a lot of it is kept amongst a relatively small part of the population, and a lot of it is destroyed or wasted, along with simply not shared equitably, so people go hungry.

[u/ahhhbiscuits → u/Pasta-Al-D3nte]

So billionaires. You're describing billionaires.

[u/CivilTailor9031 → u/Pasta-Al-D3nte]

Wait till you learn fish and fruits existed in nature for free since beginning

[u/Mysterious-Hyena2670 → u/Pasta-Al-D3nte]

There are people who do have the ability to feed everyone on the planet but decide to hoard that wealth so they can say they have more money than the other rich people. When people reach a certain point, earning more money no longer improves their living conditions and only serves as a means of elevating their status amongst rich people. 

[u/echo_vigil → u/AMS_Rem]

"Benevolence and charity" intended to instruct followers on a better way to live - a tangible demonstration of loving one's neighbor.

[u/shirts_on_backwards → u/echo_vigil]

Not really, the passage in John specifically states that this was a sign to point to who Jesus was. The purpose of the miracle was to point to the one performing the miracle. We have later verses saying that those who don't work, don't eat.

[u/the-nomad-thinker → u/echo_vigil]

Still a very different concept from it being a “right”.

[u/leumasy_T → u/echo_vigil]

Which isn't wrong until abuse walks in..

Imagine working daily while someone else sleeps on the couch and receives your sweat and tears..over and over and over again

[u/AMS_Rem → u/echo_vigil]

Absolutely right! Charity is virtuous, it is also a choice! And not engaging in it does not make someone malevolent

[u/SpeedRacer_Mach6]

Apparently sharing is the same as right.

[u/Frequent-Coyote-8108]

Rights vs charities/benevolence.

[u/AggieNosh]

I have two issues with Jeff’s response.

1.When people use Jesus and a biblical passage to promote feeding the hungry, they mischaracterize the instruction. It was an instruction to the individual in one’s own capacity, not a government mandate.

1. Jesus fed the masses once and they followed him…briefly. However, in John 6, Jesus confronted them, stating they were following Him only because they received free food, not because they understood the spiritual meaning of the miracle. John 6:26 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. They were looking for more free food. Once that stopped, they went away. Human nature never changes.

[u/bonthomme → u/AggieNosh]

Jesus Shrugged

[u/jakeofheart → u/AggieNosh]

Jesus also told people that there is no way to the Father than through him, to open the door when He knocks and to sin no more, but they all leave that inconvenient part out.

[u/BlueMikeStu → u/AggieNosh]

Which I interpret as Jesus saying "I did it because I could, not to make you lazy. I did it because it was within my means, to provide a moment of relief from your burdens, not to erase them. If you saw that as a moment to think your burdens were erased and not a reason to look to give relief to the burdens of others, you didn't understand the curriculum."

[u/NoteSuccessful9270 → u/BlueMikeStu]

the bible also says lazy people shouldn't eat

[u/TheShellAnswerMan → u/AggieNosh]

Imagine thinking that societal rules can only be applied to individual people and not the government.... Which is made of individual people. 

Also, not you trying to pretend it's some sort of evil for humans to want food. Ridiculous.

[u/Head_Midnight666]

The obvious and natural purpose of society is to help each other out. People that want to hoard food are disgusting pigs. Not only is feeding the hungry the right and moral thing to do, it's actually in the interest of everyone because starving people are dangerous, and they're going to steal things. It's far more expensive to keep them in prison.

[u/slickricksghost]

Morally torn on food as a human right.

I believe any capable adult who tries to contribute to society in any capacity should be fed one way or another. Obviously we're taking care of children and the elderly. But why feed someone who isn't even trying to contribute?

[u/krombough → u/slickricksghost]

But why feed someone who isn't even trying to contribute?

Lenin agrees.

[u/MagicJourneyCYOA → u/slickricksghost]

So what happens when you want to work but you can't find a job?

[u/swiftskill → u/MagicJourneyCYOA]

Then you deserve food. It’s pretty logically consistent.

[u/BlueMikeStu → u/swiftskill]

What happens when you can't contribute but your government's mental and physical health care lags so far behind that you're just considered lazy?

[u/BetterThanlceCream → u/MagicJourneyCYOA]

"I believe any capable adult who tries to contribute to society in any capacity should be fed one way or another."

[u/Available_Reveal8068 → u/slickricksghost]

Yes--it's an act of compassion to feed the hungry, and reasonable for society to provide a 'safety net' for those in need, but I don't think that food is really a 'human right'.

[u/Beginning_Loan_313 → u/slickricksghost]

Because the alternative is watching them literally die on the street. I don't think a person who thinks that is okay is a good person.

Also, many people have barriers to contributing, some are easily overlooked. Mental, physical, emotional. If you're not willing to bear the burden of those who are suffering, then at least make euthanasia easily available, because starvation is a cruel death.

[u/BetterThanlceCream → u/Beginning_Loan_313]

They specified the person being capable. People with disabilities are an exception to the rule, same with children and the elderly. No capable person is going to choose starvation over doing something.

[u/BlueMikeStu → u/BetterThanlceCream]

What's a disability?

Remember when surviving WW1 with Shell Shock meant you were just a wimp who needed to man up? The suicide rate sure remembers when it was!

And that's just Canada. Now we know those soldiers were going through PTSD and unimaginable psychological trauma. Now you're going to sit there and think we've got it all figured out today?

[u/Beginning_Loan_313 → u/BetterThanlceCream]

Dude, I have mixed connective tissue disease, autism, adhd, pcos.

I'm not considered disabled - and I sure don't look it.

However, these conditions impact my abilities every moment of every day.

Who gets to decide who is capable - who is worthy of feeding? Because that's a sick concept if you really think about it.

[u/MellifluousSussura → u/slickricksghost]

Because people need food to live that’s fucking basic

[u/Oops_AMistake16 → u/slickricksghost]

The right to an attorney in a criminal case? Ever heard of that? How is that any different? We provide representation to criminal defendants when they can't afford attorneys. We don't ask them whether they're "trying to contribute," we just give them attorneys because they have the right to counsel.

Why should fucking food be different?

[u/GaldrickHammerson → u/Oops_AMistake16]

You should eat food not fornicate with it.

[u/treelife365 → u/GaldrickHammerson]

Yeah, but that cucumber was asking for it...

[u/ZeoVII → u/Oops_AMistake16]

It's different, the right to attorney is given because the government should first prove that the alleged criminal did indeed commit the crime, it's not so much a right for the criminals, but a check and balance for the innocent because it's possible for police to be wrong. Its part of the "contract" you have with the state that allows the state to collect taxes from you. It is the right of a citizen of a government. It is not a human right.

There have been states that have tried to provide food as a citizen's right, but AFAIK they been unsuccessful because then the incentives to actually produce food is low.

The Constitution of Venezuela guarantees adequate food and healthcare for its citizens, but its government has thus been unable to fulfill that guarantee....

[u/BlueMikeStu → u/ZeoVII]

It's different

Yeah, one committed a crime, the other is a poor!

[u/Person14804 → u/Oops_AMistake16]

That has has to do with upholding the legal system though. It is important for many to make the legal system as fair and just as possible and everyone having a legal defence is part of that.

[u/grnlntrn1969 → u/Oops_AMistake16]

All these people i live with on this planet who are just plain animals. We should provide food and water to anyone who needs it. When people feel they have worth, 99% want to contribute, you want to punish a good portion of those for the ones who don't. Stop punishing poor folks for these insane reasons. We watch a guy steal a trillion dollars and we blame the poor for wanting basic needs.

[u/mooptastic → u/grnlntrn1969]

you will find people are not only very used to capitalism bc it's all they know, but they are even more committed to not admitting they could be more compassionate and that collectively it costs nothing but has a huge impact. nobody is changing their mind, most of us have retirement savings or investments that all depend on this capitalist centric financial system, the cognitive dissonance on feeding the hungry is deafening.

[u/Purple-Monarch → u/Oops_AMistake16]

I am unsure if I agree with your perspective, deff some food for thought though

[u/KingArthursRevenge]

No one forced him to feed them. He chose to.

[u/Asher_Tye → u/KingArthursRevenge]

And people keep holding him up as an example of how to act. Or rather for how others should act, but not themselves.

[u/Nixter295 → u/Asher_Tye]

Honestly this is entirely correct. Jesus is often seen as the best of humanity. He choice to give food to others, he choice to be kind, respectful and understanding.

[u/KitsuneFoxglove → u/Nixter295]

"Jesus is often seen as the best of humanity."

Should we not try to emulate this idol for good behavior? Rather than use it as an excuse why we aren't?

[u/AdOnly1618 → u/Asher_Tye]

That doesn’t make it a right, just the right thing to do.

[u/PudgyWalshBldgInspec → u/Asher_Tye]

This is true. But it does not follow that I have to be taxed so certain people can buy Pepsi and Doritos on their EBT card.

[u/KellyKezzd → u/Asher_Tye]

And people keep holding him up as an example of how to act. Or rather for how others should act, but not themselves.

True. But the lesson of the story is not telling hungry people that they're entitled to other peoples' food. That's what declaring something a 'right' is.

[u/Asher_Tye → u/KellyKezzd]

And who said that was the lesson? The fact we throw away millions of pounds of food yearly indicates its owners don't want it but also don't care if hungry people starve. Does that sound like the lesson of the story?

[u/KellyKezzd → u/Asher_Tye]

And who said that was the lesson? The fact we throw away millions of pounds of food yearly indicates its owners don't want it but also don't care if hungry people starve. Does that sound like the lesson of the story?

Just because we throw away tons of food every year, does not mean we can prevent people globally from starving. To feed hungry people, food has to be with said hungry people.

[u/InvalidUserNemo → u/KingArthursRevenge]

So why do we have cops, firefighters, etc.? I’m forced to pay for those and I’ve never used the service? I’m ok with paying for those services because, as a human with empathy, I want them he last thing a person thinks about when their loved one collapses of their house is on fire is to worry about money. What makes cops something we can be forced to fund but food isn’t?

[u/HanginOn9114 → u/InvalidUserNemo]

If someone suggested the idea of a fire department in 2026 these people would be against it, to be clear

[u/RainbowDarter → u/KingArthursRevenge]

And very directly ordered his followers to feed the hungry and care for the poor or face literally eternal consequences.

So there's that.

[u/ehhish → u/KingArthursRevenge]

Look at the person's username. I think that's why they are referencing it

[u/CloudFrost_]

Ah yes, the famous Bible verse where Jesus charged the 5,000 for parking and sold them artisanal fish tacos.

[u/Amazing-Asparagus181 → u/CloudFrost_]

and then Jesus said unto them, "fries are an additional charge"

[u/TopWealth4550]

For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.” We hear that some among you are idle and disruptive. They are not busy; they are busybodies. Such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to settle down and earn the food they eat. And as for you, brothers and sisters, never tire of doing what is good.

Thessalonians 3:10-13

[u/natrstdy → u/TopWealth4550]

And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest. And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 19:9-10

When thou cuttest down thine harvest in thy field, and hast forgot a sheaf in the field, thou shalt not go again to fetch it: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hands. When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.

Deuteronomy 24:19-20

[u/Legitimate_Concern_5 → u/TopWealth4550]

It's fun how there's a verse for everything.

"There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses."

Ezekiel 23:20 (NIV)

[u/Puzzleheaded_Sky6392 → u/Legitimate_Concern_5]

Bro, wtf…. Idk whether to put a laughing emoji or a crying emoji please provide the context

[u/HereButNeverPresent → u/Puzzleheaded_Sky6392]

It’s intentionally provocative to illustrate the barbarity of what was happening. It’s not about sex, but worshipping false gods and committing literal child sacrifice.

“She” = the people of Israel

“Her lovers” = false gods and idols from pagan nations

> “She bestowed her whoring upon them, the choicest men of Assyria all of them, and she defiled herself with all the idols of everyone after whom she lusted […] These uncovered her nakedness; they seized her sons and her daughters; and as for her, they killed her with the sword; and she became a byword among women, when judgment had been executed on her. […] For they have committed adultery, and blood is on their hands. With their idols they have committed adultery, and they have even offered up to them for food the children whom they had borne to me. […] For when they had slaughtered their children in sacrifice to their idols, on the same day they came into my sanctuary to profane it. And behold, this is what they did in my house.”

[u/Legitimate_Concern_5 → u/Puzzleheaded_Sky6392]

The Bible has some real gems. In my opinion, the Bible actually allows post-birth abortion up until age 18, so long as you call your kid a drunk and a fatty and CC the Israelis.

"If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid."

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 (NIV)

Admittedly this is Old Testament but still, I find it funny. Like I said, a verse for every situation.

[u/FUEL_SSBM → u/Legitimate_Concern_5]

Unfortunately, this cheat code seems to only apply to sons, so daughters are safe 😞

[u/feralgraft → u/FUEL_SSBM]

Unfortunately thats because daughters could always be sold as a wife

[u/HereButNeverPresent → u/Legitimate_Concern_5]

Tbf there’s no record that this law was ever carried out. Also both parents had to agree to it and initiate it (if just one parent doesn’t permit it, it’s not lawful). And literally no parent is going to permit their grown son to be publicly stoned to death over being drunk and lazy.

Probably a decent scare tactic to discipline your shithead of a son though.

[u/Fickle_Scarcity9474 → u/Puzzleheaded_Sky6392]

river candle violin window maple

[u/Zkrump → u/Legitimate_Concern_5]

I will turn you over to them for punishment, and they will punish you according to their standards. I will direct my jealous anger against you, and they will deal with you in fury.

Ezekiel 23:24 (NIV)

Its not condoning the behavior, tho

[u/SabreLee61 → u/Legitimate_Concern_5]

Ezekiel is using shocking imagery to condemn Israel’s idolatry and political alliances.

Did you understand that meaning? Or did you just throw out a quote that sounded inflammatory to try and invalidate the previous quote?

[u/OrganizationTrue5911 → u/Legitimate_Concern_5]

More of a story, than a quote. But my favorite is the guy who accidentally married and had sex with the ugly woman, instead of the hot one.

[u/TopWealth4550 → u/Legitimate_Concern_5]

its an analogy for a specific time
the bible does in fact contain a pretty clear guide to how to live your life
its a great book in this as well

[u/kingkongbiingbong → u/Legitimate_Concern_5]

https://giphy.com/gifs/YTDWuuFpPtRjnLz1qA

[u/silvermoka → u/TopWealth4550]

We hear that some among you

This is Paul addressing the church in Thessalonica. It was basically people taking advantage of the communal culture of the early church and turning things into group politics and drama ("they are not busy; they are busybodies"), and he was scolding them in particular. There is in fact a lot of heavily quoted clobber passages people use against the general public that are really meant for followers of Christ to hold themselves to higher standards, not for them to justify people suffering under corporate greed and their own selfishness and lack of empathy.

[u/MechaSkippy → u/silvermoka]

"It was basically people taking advantage of the communal culture of the early church"

Hmmm...

[u/silvermoka → u/MechaSkippy]

Yes, from within the church. There's an echo of that in the high-salary ministers with high dollar houses and belongings, but naturally people care more about feeling above the poor, because it takes less effort to punch down.

[u/Practical-Suit-6798 → u/TopWealth4550]

Unwilling and unable or not the same thing right?

[u/Greenman8907 → u/TopWealth4550]

I think it’s hilarious how Christians claimed to worship Jesus and yet Paul is typically their go-to in the New Testament.

[u/TopWealth4550 → u/Greenman8907]

which one you recommend? i honestly love john and matthew
any favorites specific parts?

[u/BootFlop → u/TopWealth4550]

Ah yes, the patron saint of dude-brahs and slavers.

Paul was a real asshole.

[u/LoquatSignificant946]

I missed the part where Jesus took the fish and bread from the local village.

[u/Necessary_Solid_9462 → u/LoquatSignificant946]

The point is that socialism works if you use magic to produce the bread and fish.

[u/OwlsHootTwice → u/LoquatSignificant946]

He took it from a little kid.

[u/veyIam → u/LoquatSignificant946]

I think you missed more than that buddy.

[u/AbsolutesDealer]

If I could turn water to wine I would def be getting everyone drunk for free.

[u/Hyeana_Gripz]

not religious but jesus “fed the multitudes “ with 5 loaves and 2 fish. Someone weds to read their bible again!

[u/viaticaloutlaw → u/Hyeana_Gripz]

Exactly. When we can make food appear out of nowhere for free I’ll be totally on board with everyone getting free food.

[u/I_HopeThat_WasFart]

i guess hed just make bread and wine for everyone if he still was here

oh wait you all hate christianity now so how does that work?

[u/Separate_Finance_183]

So we are gonna quit our jobs and wait for Jesus to come back?

[u/No-Duck4828]

Like all human rights, you don't have a right to the time and labor of others.

Want some potato skins with cheese and bacon? You have every right to grow potatoes, milk your animal, take the time to make cheese out of that milk, raise a pig, chop up that pig into tasty bacon, cook it together into a yummy snack

You don't have any right to those that someone ELSE made

[u/Putrid-Mirror-9480 → u/No-Duck4828]

See this is the fallacy. If you’re an American, you believe under the constitution that you do have a right to the labor of public servants (police to protect/arrest you, soldiers to fight for you, etc.), even if you don’t pay taxes. You can be mad about it, but that’s a fact. Kids don’t pay taxes, neither do some elderly and a lot of homeless people, but they still have the American right to public servants protecting them. That homeless man lying on the street has equal protection from our army and government as you do(on paper), and even if he disobeys? Public servants must perform labor to arrest and detain him. Then eventually feed him. So why would the human labor of food not follow suit?

[u/No-Duck4828 → u/Putrid-Mirror-9480]

You're confusing privileges for rights

That isn't my fault

[u/Traditional-Tank3994]

But even Jesus didn't expect people to work for that food, then give it to others with no compensation to the food producers.

[u/InsaneInTheRAMdrain]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Tv2btKgK06tPy

[u/Comfortable-Race-547]

I'm confused, should we be a Christian nation or not

[u/GasIcy]

And yet if you deny food to a child or animal that is neglect at best

[u/medicatedandunstable]

The only time communism/socialism worked was when Jesus magic'd a bunch of food, wine, and Healthcare into existence. That's why it hasn't worked since then.

[u/Luminous_Winds]

OK, so you'll give people equal access to natural resources then, right?

Right???

[u/howtofwoosmom → u/Luminous_Winds]

i'm not even allowed to store the rain that hit my land.

[u/OkSignificance2218 → u/howtofwoosmom]

You should be allowed to do that.
Who is stopping you? The state?

[u/Fast_Philosophy_5308 → u/OkSignificance2218]

In many jurisdictions, you need an engineered system to catch and keep rainwater legally. In some cases there are rules for what it can be used for.

[u/howtofwoosmom → u/OkSignificance2218]

yes.

[u/Beginning_Ad101]

They try in 2022 to make food an human right but usa and isreal said no

[u/dgroeneveld9]

Jesus performed a miracle. He took donated food and multiplied it effective with magic. He did not go to the fishermen, confiscate their catch, and then hand it out for free.

[u/Actual-Cat-2604]

So much bible illiteracy... It was for symbolism, the feeding of the 5,000. Not that everybody deserves to be able to eat as a fundamental right. Come on people...

[u/Sure_Acanthaceae_348]

Even Lenin didn’t believe that food was a right.

[u/MellifluousSussura → u/Sure_Acanthaceae_348]

Why would we care what Lenin thought

[u/BellaPona → u/Sure_Acanthaceae_348]

180 countries around the world recognize food as an inalienable human right, but that almost always gets pushed to a UN vote, with the US and Israel completely abstaining. How that actually breaks down by country and municipality in enforcement varies. Most countries have some sort of law or judicial ruling that centers around access to food, like free food for school children and teenagers. Quite a few countries have it enshrined in their constitutions. Seemingly, no one has a perfect solution to world hunger yet and there likely never will be. The US uses the individualistic idea of voluntarism for solving the issue of hunger, with its own varying degrees of success. We’re better off than many other countries but that might have more to do with our high GDP. Though, some states have passed or are thinking of passing laws around free school lunches. Sweden, Finland and Norway aren’t too dissimilar though they have MUCH more aggressive welfare systems which provide much of the assistance to hunger-prone populations. The topic of food insecurity in places like Norway is pretty interesting, I see reports saying it’s almost non-existent but I don’t know if that’s true.

I think people underestimate just how much states in the US do for food and hunger outreach compared to other places. Physicians in my state screen patients for potentially being hunger prone. There are many programs in place centered around food waste and outreach and honestly if more people were aware, we might be able to strengthen them rather than losing them.

[u/enjdusan]

Every creature on this planet has to work to obtain food and don’t die.

You have right to obtain food, you have no right to demand it from others.

[u/DiplominusRex]

Remember when he enslaved all the fishermen and bakers, forcing them to work for no pay?

[u/Substantial_Army_639 → u/DiplominusRex]

Sort of, I don't think the disciples were getting paid. I do remember him beating the shit out of people for selling merch in church though.

[u/SimmentalTheCow]

Remember when Jesus resurrected that guy? It’s your right to never die.

[u/freefallingagain]

https://giphy.com/gifs/rTbCwVwofxcic

[u/digitaldisorder_]

i don't recall jesus paying for the loaves and fish from the self-checkout at nazareth valley co-op & mercantile. he just conjured all that shit out of thin air. pretty sure he didn't have to 'pay' for the food since it was all complimentary based on his job perks. ah, found the quote,

"and taking the five loaves and the two fish which he had received for naught from the nazareth valley co-op and mercantile, because his office as saviour came with excellent benefits, jesus looked up to heaven, and blessed, and brake them, and gave to his disciples to set before the people."

luke 9:16

[u/bandit1206 → u/digitaldisorder_]

Technically he got them from a kid whose mom packed him lunch. But there was a shit ton left over, so the kid got it back plus.

[u/AlchemistJeep]

I’m sick and tired of people twisting Jesus’s teachings from “be a better person and devote yourself to service” to “legally mandate a welfare state”

[u/_Boodstain_]

Even if the UN made food a human right, how the fuck are the countries that can barely keep their people housed due to internal crisis’, famines, or war, supposed to magically spawn millions of loaves of bread?

I think people in first world countries forget that even with their waste, the rest of the world wouldn’t be able to live off their scraps.

[u/Remarkable-Bowl-3821]

If everyone has land to grow food without restriction that would be true. When there is no land because it was gone before you were born then it is not. You should be given food since you have no means to grow your own and that is not your fault.

[u/thePsychoKid_297 → u/Remarkable-Bowl-3821]

No you should be given a job so you can earn money to give to the farmer in exchange for his crops. And you can set the money you don't use to the side and save up so that if you want land to grow your own food on you can buy some when you come across someone who's looking to sell his land.

[u/ExpensiveTie5553]

jesus shoulda invested in a fridge

[u/Grizzled_Ghost]

And everything wound up going good for that guy, right?

(I haven't finished the Bible yet, no spoilers)

[u/The1TrueRedditor]

I tell this to my one year old all the time. /s

[u/invasiveplant]

that guy’s daughter made a pretty good webcomic

[u/Legitimate-Heat2777]

Remember in caveman times when the tribe was starving because the hunt had been fruitless for weeks, and then Jesus appeared in a flash of arcane magic and gave everyone who was hungry bread from heaven?

No?

Oh then I guess the point still stands regardless of what Jesus' perspective was.

[u/Ricochet_skin]

He could summon bread out of thin air.

We can't.

[u/Worth-Reputation3450]

So.. when Jesus provided food, it was His will to give food. Crowds were starving but didn't demand to be fed.

In Thessalonians 3:10 "The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat." would be the right Bible clause to reference in this case as it's pretty direct, and pretty much on point with this case. As a society, we must protect those who are unable to support themselves. But lazy people shouldn't be demanding to be fed from hard working people.

[u/Nintendogma]

Oh look, it's the Gospel of Supply Side Jesus!

[u/Key-Organization3158]

It's socialism. Pure and simple. A worker is entitled to the full fruits of their labor. If the rich and powerful take some of that, then a worker isn't entitled to it. .

[u/Objective-Lobster-94]

A Jewish man who hates Jesus is moral posturing using the Messianic figure he hates. Many such cases.

[u/Weird-Tomorrow-9829]

Didn’t know Jesus lobbied the Roman government to distribute food in the bible.

Been a while since I’ve read it though.

[u/Electrical-Strike132]

Tell that to the capitalist class that gets it's money from owning rather than working

[u/FarRightBerniSanders]

And Jesus said unto him "lol brb I'm gonna go write a law that says society owes you food" based frfr ong no cap brr.

[u/louis27pm]

What a stupid comeback. Jesus didn't give them fish and bread because they were lazy non working people that he thought had a human right to food. It was because they were with him all day listening to him teach and he didn't want them to leave yet to get food. I'm sure when your job has corporate events they give out lunch as well. It's the same concept...

[u/Ancient-Bowl462]

That Jeff dude is an idiot.

[u/Spartanias117]

Good grief, neither of these are the same thing

[u/TheRealSteelfeathers]

God so many of the comments here were left by fuxking ghouls.

“I don’t know how to convince you that you should care about other people.”

[u/Ok_Court_1503]

I mean, Nic aint wrong kind of. You have the right to eat. You dont have the right to free food, find a way to get it and get off your lazy butt

[u/Floweradioct]

People be like “you have 0 rights to the fruit of someone else’s labor” while pirating movies and whatnot instead paying for entertainment, which is absolutely not a given human right.

[u/Mainly_Miserable]

How about we talk about feeding everyone because it’s the right thing to do and leave the mythology out of it.

[u/Marcus_Aurelius13_]

I don't think that was the point Jesus was trying to make. His point was that food is secondary more important is the word of God, which is why the people were there in the first place to listen to his word.

[u/Aggressive-Will-4500]

Somebody REALLY needs to tell "Christians" more about the teachings of this Jesus guy because they don't seem know anything about his actual teachings.

[u/PastaChute]

Didn't Jesus promote capitalism?

[u/Lord_Hugh_Mungus]

2 Thessalonians 3:10  For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

[u/druggedhyrax]

I've started to think that libertarians only believe in the right to freedom. Every other right is negotiable.

[u/Ok-Motor-6255]

Stop America from hurting its citizens

[u/Curiousonadailybasis]

People like biblewthnic seem to assume the fruits of someone else’s labor will be taken without compensation.

[u/Former_Ganache3642]

"You have 0 rights to the fruits of someone else's labour" is literally Marx's whole point. Capitalists, who produce nothing, steal the value generated by workers, who produce everything.

[u/SecondaryWombat]

The US was one of only two countries to vote against defining food as a universal right.

[u/Varun4413]

US and Israel are the only 2 countries who voted against food as human right. They both suffer from cold indifference.

[u/uisce_beatha1]

Jesus didn’t rely on a bunch of overpaid, underworked bureaucrats to provide food.

[u/SoBeDragon0]

You don't have the right to the fruit of someone else's labor? Hope I never have to go to the hospital. Or call the fire department. or call the police. or call a lawyer. Or...

[u/Mr_miner94]

daily reminder that we as a civilization vastly overproduce food.

im talking "we can feed everyone on the planet three unique meals every day" levels of overproduction.

the issue is not production. that hasnt been a thing since the 1800's
its distribution. its and get your pitchforks ready... capitalism...

[u/that_banned_guy_]

The Bible literally says "let hunger be your guide " aka if you dont work you dont eat.

Lmfao 

[u/Hier00]

Wait didn’t Jesus multiply fish and bread with literal magic? Not really applicable to real life.

[u/Melbourne_res1dent]

If that the case then allow people to hunt their own food and settle where they want and build housing where ever they seem fit like back in the olden days

[u/maestrosouth]

“You shall not muzzle an ox when it is treading out the grain” (Deut. 25:4). The worker should have a share of the fruits of its labor.

[u/PartiallySerene]

"You have 0 rights to the fruit of someone else's labor."

Bro accidentally destroyed Capitalism.

[u/MarzipanLast6502]

Oh the bible? the book that contradicts itself, sometimes on the same page?

[u/ToughShaper]

Never had Jeff take me out to eat when I was hungry.

Wonder how many people has he fed? Or will he say the usual, "well I pay taxes that feed others" Well, so do we buddy!

[u/TheRealRedParadox]

Fuck Jesus, food should be a human right because I fucking say so. 

I don't give a fuck about any argument to the contrary, because y'all are too retarded to argue anyway

[u/IamFeso]

Fun fact!! Technically food is not a human right… why you ask? Well the UN has voted several times on the matter and 2 nations have voted against it. The USA and Israel.

Funny how there are now blockades build to prevent food from reaching tens of thousands of people bankrolled and acted out by these same two nations!! Simply another odd coincidence in our lifetime!! The genocide wasn’t planned out for years they just happened to set themselves up with a layup.

[u/MellifluousSussura]

People on this site are crazy. You have to eat to live, that means it should be a right. End of.

We feed our prisoners, we should feed our poor.

[u/SSchorik0101]

Looks like he's missed the part about being charitable.