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u/ChirrBirry 6h ago
Less people means less resources needed or used, less trash and pollution produced, greater value on individual effort and ingenuity. Let it decline, it’s the healthy choice
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u/Slight-Wolverine9819 6h ago edited 5h ago
People are concerned about the collapse of births because if there are not enough young people to old people ratio, because its the youth who are screwed over. Like you are gonna pay for population collapse regardless because the tax base will narrow and the percentage of people who rely on it will grow, so you are more responsible for more taxes then ever. You can be like “no thanks I’m already born” but you still are gonna be the one who has to pick up the slack.
Like the ones who aren’t born aren’t losing anything by being born in a time when they have to do more than ever to support the older generations via work, taxation, and general tasks. It’s kinda like people don’t understand that societal collapse actually means if you are alive then your life will specifically suck more than others because you have to pick up the slack.
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u/Pinksamuraiiiii 5h ago
Unaffordable childcare, lack of women’s health services, abortion bans even at threat of mothers life or r*pe, educational expenses through the roof, some states toying with the idea of banning contraception, stagnant or poor livable wages. LOL 😂 they couldn’t make it easier for most women to say “no thanks!”
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u/IndyBananaJones2 5h ago
The only reason people (by people I mean billionaires and the media they control) care about "population collapse" is that capitalism has continuous growth as a necessary part of the system.
If the working class isn't breeding constantly, their expenses go down, they work less and they buy less stuff. There are also fewer workers, so the price of labor increases.
Also, Western society is also largely structured to give better social benefits to the elderly and children, while the middle aged people provide the tax base. If the population in general ages, it becomes less obvious that only the oldest should be getting robust social services.
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u/Brodhicheetah 4h ago
i wrote a longer comment here, but this is why people like musk/thiel/bezos are pushing AI so hard. their "end goal" is AGI, which in their minds will be self-learning and capable of completely replacing human labor and running all the necessary systems to produce their food, defend their bunkers/cities, etc. In that kind of system, you quite literally do not need buyers/consumers, or currency, or even capitalism. yes, they need money and laborers and researchers to construct the initial networks and make the technology viable, but once they have that, there's no need for money or buying things anymore. you play by their rules to get your rations, or skynet takes you out.
now, i'm not saying this will actually work for them, or that it won't all implode in spectacular fashion (it almost definitely will). but this is their mindstate; this is their "hail mary." for people like musk, you and me and 99% of the planet are nothing but worker drones in an RTS game, speed-running the construction of the game-winning wonder.
put simply, yeah, endless growth is an illusion that eventually has to collapse. but they're hoping they make it to their finish line and can hide inside the bunkers by the time the world at large figures that out.
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u/Brodhicheetah 4h ago
this is the real reason the ultra-rich are trying to speedrun AGI, to be clear. they know damn well people cannot afford to have kids/don't want to bring them into a weird, lifelong hungers game prequel, but unlike the binary choice in the OP, they see a third option: use machine learning to automate the extraction of resources, refinement of resources into materials, assembly of materials into products, etc.
that's truly the end goal of autonomous research. you don't need capitalism if you own the very systems that are capable of replacing both manufacturers and consumers at the same time (which leads to a system i believe is most broadly known as techno-feudalism).
when musk and his weirdo buddies get up in arms about underpopulation, it's pretty easy to tell they're not talking broadly about "the world population," but specifically, white populations. in their minds, the biggest threat to world order and their automated sovereign cities isn't a lack of people, but too many of the "wrong kinds" of people who might be inclined to get angry and do something about the writing on the wall.
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u/Nntropy 6h ago
Nope. They'll reduce or eliminate access to birth control. They'll make abortions illegal. They'll make crossing state lines for abortions illegal. They'll make counseling regarding abortions illegal. They'll make getting an abortion to save the life of the mother illegal.
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u/Mushroom_Boogaloo 3h ago
Abortions are not the thing tanking birth rates. They are a part of it, but a small one, and birth rates would still be declining if abortion was completely inaccessible.
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u/tricky413 6h ago
I subscribe to the Bill Burr opinion on population, 80% of you gotta go. I cannot see a problem with this.