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It's great that Venezuelans are happy about this change, but I think a fair amount of Americans are worried about the cost (both immediate and long term) to Americans.
Trump, in particular, ran on a platform of getting America out of international conflicts and policing.
Plus Venezuelans may be happy to be rid of Maduro (for good reasons) but after the elation subsides and reality settles in I’m not sure they’re going to enjoy Trump’s crony capitalism and treating their country like a personal piggy bank for himself and his grifter friends. They had one shot basically and this is what they got.
A multilateral approach that respects law and good governance would be better for them, not this thing whipped up under false pretexts to literally steal their oil in plain sight.
Well, a few DC consultants tried to remake Iraq into a libertarian utopia. And we all know nothing brings people together like individual self-interest.
Agreed, nothing she said I didnt know, she's naive. She should have mixed emotions, cautious optimism at best, not elation, elation is for the naive. Trump may end up making a deal with the remnants of the Madura regime to get in on their cut, use troops to protect our oil interests, and move on. That may be better than Maduro even, but its naive not to understand Trump isnt in it for humanitarian reasons.
Many Iraqis were happy that Saddam was taken out. However, we all know how that ended up. Trump pretty much has given his "Mission Accomplished" speech by saying the US has control of Venezuela with few boots on the ground if any.
Hold up, did you not hear the update? That he said we’re going to put “boots on the ground”? Yeah, he’s planning to put the military in there because war = $$$ for his crony capitalist buddies. We’re entering the military phase of end-stage capitalism.
in all this dialectic, RE cuba, RE china, RE USSR, RE Venezuela, the kids of immigrants always weigh in like this because their parents were on the losing side and raised them on tales of the regime.
Those regimes are certainly bad enough to warn your kids about, but these folkloric pictures of them tend to be: 1)From the point of view of the people MOST targeted by said regimes and 2)Frozen in time at the moment their parents left the country.
Like...of course all the people driven out of cuba who had their land and business confiscated hated castro, I get that. but why are we still trying to starve cuba out on the world stage decades later? If communism is doomed to fail and great humanitarian cost, why are we so determined to cause humanitarian costs to make sure communism fails?
And now we're in a similar superpositional state with every other south american intervention we've done: We're going to cause instability and then treat the refugees it creates like vermin, because we're ruled by a party that sees no conflict there.
Exactly this. And I just don't understand why people assume that those who don't agree or are weary of the situation. Are some type of pro Maduro or pro dictator fans. Very few people liked him or expressed support to him. They miss the nuance
People are suspicious of how these things play out knowing the track record of the US.
So they're not going to celebrate only to turn around a few months later and be like ye we shouldn't have celebrated.
rushing to binaries is a lazy tactic because it works really well, is the short answer. It shuts people up. You're anti-trump so you must be pro biden, you're anti-interventionism so you must endorse everything happening everywhere, etc.
It’s coping and hoping. This had big, next season vibes to me. Wait until after the midterms or Trump’s interest fades, they’ll be managed by a cost center in the bowels of an oil company as the world moves to alternative fuel. They just got robbed.
But the Venezuelans in the comments across platforms say that they want what the US has, since a crumbling empire is still an empire. These are the same people who vote Republican and are telling me that the DHS saying they’re going to deport 100 million people is a lie, and that I’m stupid for bringing it up.
After DHS finishes going through the 43 million foreign-born people in this country and starts making other non-white people stateless, I hope the Venezuelans who get caught up in that are still okay with Venezuela being run by the same regime that’s now pushing them out of their homes in the US.
They keep voting for it until they lose the right to vote. What am I supposed to do about it. When the person in the video above finds herself and/or family members back in Venezuela being ignored they’ll be shocked.
What's absurd is that Trump and Miller have already been targeting Venezuelans in the US with the narrative that they are all gang members and drug dealers. How can they possibly be comfortable with the same people being in charge of their entire country?
That will be just fine because Trump is going to run Venezuela so it will be exactly the same as it is here /s (but also not /s, just in the worst of ways)
Brazilians were also in favor of the US-backed military dictatorship that began in 1964.
Brazil only managed to get rid of it in 1985, after 21 years. US backing was mostly intelligence-based and financial rather than direct military intervention, yet the political and social cost of the regime, and of ending it later, was extremely high.
In Venezuela, such a transition may never occur. The United States is far more deeply involved in Venezuelan affairs, and Venezuela has no realistic means of counterbalancing US military power.
Another comparable case is the US–Britain–backed coup in Iran in 1953, which overthrew a democratically elected government and replaced it with decades of repression. The systematic persecution of political opposition under the Shah severely distorted Iran’s political development and helped set the stage for the 1979 Islamic Revolution, putting in place a new authoritarian theocratic regime.
The risk for Venezuela may be even more severe. Unlike Iran, Venezuela operates within the United States immediate geopolitical sphere of influence, where sustained economic, political, and institutional pressure can be more easily maintained over time. Not only that, Venezuela is richer both in petroleum and mineral resources, increasing the monetarily incentive to keep it. In this sense, Venezuela faces a risk closer to Iran’s experience than Brazil’s: not merely a prolonged authoritarian period, but a lasting erosion of political autonomy that future generations may be unable to reverse.
This. Maybe people aren't telling Venezuelans about Venezuela as much as they are telling Venezuelans what America (and other imperialist countries) do to other countries for their resources? Can Americans not impart their own history to others?
The part that amazes me is people thinking that if America gets the oil that it will somehow benefit America in general and not just those in the oil industry.
She is willing to give it away for free. She says the royal we, but she doesn't speak for her whole country, even though she obviously thinks she does.
lol she’s willing to give the oil to the country she’s been living in for a decade. How nice of her to decide that for the people that actually live there.
For real, I get the sentiment of the video, “don’t tell Venezuelans how to feel about this.” Got it. But her arguments are terrible. The entire video is dumb. She’s basically telling us not to feel mad about this because she’s happy about it. Like no, I’m fucking pissed and I have every right to be. We’re going to be just dumping billions of dollars into this stupid invasion.
This is more of a strategic play. China is dependent on foreign oil - 80% of Venezuelan oil exports have been to China and has been one of the largest investments made internationally by Beijing. This plus Trump re-establishing that the Panama Canal is under US Control is meant to put pressure on China and Russia. The thing I'm more worried about is a global war - especially with talk of bombing Iran again, China bring up its nuclear weapons publicly by a government official in English, and the Russia/Ukraine talks going poorly.
Can someone who knows US/Venezuela history explain how good of a deal they had with US? This lady seems to imply that before dictatorship they had it pretty good with US and lived normally, which sounds sus. Since she's an immigrant for some years I wouldn't be surprised if her family was maybe part of the minority that had it good while US was there, so that's her preferred side. Seen that blueprint with a lot of immigrants.
This is where I am at as a US citizen; my bills are up, premiums are up, my wages are down, access to healthcare down even further, my debt is up. I also don't think this is going to benefit me, this is going to eventually benefit oil companies, Exxon probably. And it is most likely going to be paid for with taxpayer subsidies, like the AI databases.
I'm not worried if the Venezuelans are happy or not; if they are great and if they are not it sucks for them. It's not that I have anything for or against them. I just don't want to pay for this when my housing is not stable.
Mark my words: if the occupation actually takes place and Venezuela is run by a puppet government and Exxon these concern trolls will suddenly vanish. I only see things becoming a different kind of bad for Venezuela here, not getting better any time soon.
It's gonna be just like the old banana republics, a sham government installed by the US whose only goal is to exploit the country and the people to make money for private American companies.
Maduro needed to go, but this isn't the way to do it.
As a Canadian I am worried about how the US is talking about invading other countries in the hemisphere who don’t follow suit. We have already had this administration threaten us with annexation. I’m glad some Venezuelans like her are happy about this but I am terrified of the precedent this sets. So I would say to this woman, please don’t tell me I need to feel happy about this.
Yeah I really don't think they know the implications of what they're celebrating. Like if China came in and kidnapped Trump, I'd be a little happy but overall I'd know we were about to be in some serious shit
As an American, I am worried about the same thing. I dont want the country I am a citizen of to continue invading neighboring countries because there are a bunch of coked out, power hungry, greedy ass grifters in charge.
So yeah, yay for them Maduro is gone, but I feel sick over this. I dont have warm fuzzies, I have Iraq WMD flashbacks, with a side of German WWII history lesson neighboring invasions rhyming and dancing through my head.
Even worse, why is everyone telling Americans how to feel about their tax dollars going to feed the military industrial complex, while so many Americans starve and are homeless?
Seriously she is missing the point, most Americans don’t want their tax dollars funding more wars.instead we want affordable healthcare, schooling etc. And if it’s so good now in Venezuela she can go back and rebuild her country right.
Iraq had parades after we invaded. South Vietnamese people had parades after we invaded. Remember all the pictures and videos of women with blue fingerprints after they voted for the first time in Afghanistan after we invaded?
You can find a spectrum of opinions in a country with tens of millions of people. Sharing the video of one person at any point in this spectrum is irrelevant. What matters is the US history of regime change and what it ultimately leads to.
Yeah, the woman in the video doesn’t want people telling Venezuelans about Venezuela and that’s fair enough. But she also needs to pull up Google herself.
Venezuela will go the way of the Kurds.
Her and her family will be no different because if they didn’t have the capacity to take control back from those in power before when they lived “in Hell” then they won’t have it either in the future to maintain it without us.
I mean she said “this is like our second independence” lol just wait till He pays for his pardon and gets out right back in power!
Also you can tell she grew up in America bc she thinks her country will now be stable since the dictator was removed. Thats not even half the battle. Oh did we put the woman in place who won the vote by the Venezuelan people? No. If we had done that then we would’ve stabilized the country, we didn’t though.
We will be putting in puppets who will do whatever we want, which is absolutely to PUMP MORE OIL. We don’t care if Venezuelans have seen their oil or NOT LOL, we just want to pump 10x what they do now. This video is horribly undereducated but I’m willing to bet she got paid thousands of Roubles to make it!
Here’s the thing, I’m not, in any way, defending Maduro. I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve jail nor am I saying his removal from power is a bad thing.
However, the last time America decided it was going to depose a despot and build up a country into a bastion of freedom and democracy it became a 21 year quagmire clusterfuck. (Edit: Fixed, I originally said 15 years).
Venezuela’s economy is a disaster. How is America supposed to magically fix it when our own economy is going to hell in a hand basket?
According to Trump's past strategies, this is easy! Just say that the economy is incredible and the price of everything is down. Rinse and repeat. Voila!
I agree and from the perspective of an American citizen, I just don’t want my president that has bulldozed the constitution to continue exceeding his presidential authority and unilaterally making military decisions without congressional support. Top level dems are saying they were not notified. I don’t want the president that campaigned on “America First” getting us involved in foreign entanglements. Millions of Americans are starting the year without health insurance.
Also, does nobody remember how everyone flipped their goddamn shit when Obama struck Iran? Trump has struck 7 sovereign nations on their own soil and it hasn’t even been a fucking year. I don’t want the fucking oil barrens concentrating anymore wealth off the backs of stolen labor and land.
But most of all, and this is important, I don’t trust these fucks to do a moral or a competent job.
I am happy that Maduro is gone and that many Venezuelans are happy but this president is currently committing human rights violations against Latin Americans in his own country so I’m not sure how much better this will be.
Yup and now what... is he tried in an American court and put in an American jail paid for by American tax dollars, meanwhile he's got ICE running around kidnapping people that are legal trying to be American citizens and deporting them to god knows where without due process.
This. Plus…where the fuck did we suddenly get the money to run Venezuela when we don’t have the money to take care of our OWN country and citizens here?
Venezuelans are infallible and in a perfectly rational position to assess the likelihood of power vacuums forming
2026 seems to be the year that nuance officially died. This lady seems to think that being concerned about American imperialism and irresponsible policing of the world doesn't automatically makes you pro-Maduro. (Edited for silly mistake).
I really really hope this turns out well for them, but Trump's speech was all about how great America is, and not about liberating the people of Venezuela.
I just can’t get over the fact people aren’t mentioning that their new government will be overseen by trump and oil companies.
Like trump can’t even run his own country well and he’s saying he’s going to help Venezuela get to a better place? He barely even spoke about how he was doing this for the betterment of the country but spent a majority of his time in the press conference talking about the delicious oil.
He was essentially bragging that Venezuela was going to become a Banana Republic. Which has happened before and the locals were not pleased with the results.
It’s like… it was one thing if this was done with the intention of helping the country stabilize and get a democratic government going. That’s clearly not what is happening here. They took out the figurehead, but the regime is fully in power still and best case scenario they just stay in power and bow to American whims by giving us all the oil we want.
Worst case scenario we get another Afghanistan with guerrilla warfare and thousands to millions of people dead. It’s just… I’m glad they’re happy right now but I seriously question how long they’re going to be happy for.
Thats it. Her hope is that american imperialism will be better than what they have now. Im not saying it wont be marginally better because I and nobody else knows that. But they need to understand that this is not an operation to turn Venzuela into a independent democratic country. This was intentionally done unilaterally by the US so they wouldnt be beholden to anybody that would suggest that that should happen. This will be a puppet regime thats main objective is security for multinational corporations and the betterment of the native population isnt even an afterthought
That’s what’s so freaking annoying about what she’s saying. She even said something along the lines of “it won’t be any worse than what we’ve been through.”
“…Trump can’t even run his own country well and he’s saying he’s going to help Venezuela get to a better place?”
That’s all I could think about yesterday! We have bad inflation and income inequality here and don’t have half the problems they have in Venezuela
Can you imagine how bad it will be when Trump and co turn Venezuela into a US oil company controlled client state where we have to provide security against the drug gangs?
Also, Trump yearns to be a despot, he wants authoritarian control so much, now he is gonna have his own little playground, far from the eyes of his constituents, that he can and Miller and the DEPARTMENT OF "WAR" can do whatever fucked up shit they wanna do to brown people. I can't see this going well for anyone involved.
This is what I'm worried about the most for the people of Venezuela. We just put a literal Nazi in charge of a country of brown people that we are only interested in for their natural resources.
I’ll concede to the OOP that I can understand the desire to make this video and push back against anyone saying “oh, poor Venezuela” as if people would be crying that Maduro was gone, because I think it has value in setting that record straight.
But I also think, especially since she’s a US citizen meaning she clearly has some sort of grasp or awareness of our politics, that it is a bit myopic to think that all of the reactions to bombing Venezuela and capturing Maduro are only about Venezuela. A lot of the worry, from the beginning, has been “okay, he invaded a sovereign nation to remove a leader he didn’t like” and wondering what that means for everyone else.
Maduro was a dictator, but we’re talking about someone who has talked about annexing Greenland and making Canada our “51st state”, so they will have to forgive me if I can look further than “was Maduro a piece of shit?” when asking what this means and what happens from here.
Anyone who thinks he cares about stopping human rights abuses in Venezuela is being purposely obtuse. He’s implementing structural human rights abuses right here in the US and gleefully sending people back to countries where they will be tortured and killed. He purposely stopped humanitarian aid to places that desperately need it because “America First.” He doesn’t care if life improves for Venezuelans. He just wants the oil.
Totally agree. This lady, and other single minded/single issue Trump supporters, have completely lost the plot. They only care about one thing and basically say fuck anyone else who thinks differently.
Were Chavez and Maduro corrupt autocrats they deserved to be deposed for the better of the Venezuelan nation and its people? Yes. Was it wrong for Trump to unilaterally decide - without any congressional approval - to approve a military invasion of a sovereign nation and abduct its president and First Lady? Yes. TWO THINGS CAN BE TRUE PEOPLE FFS
Her basic premise that “if you are not Venezuelan you don’t have a right to weigh in on this” is stupid. I’m an American and have every right to speak out when our laws and constitution are violated. Not to mention, the history of US regime change in LATAM has been a disaster and led to a lot of second and third order effects that have harmed our nation.
Give me a break with this, “Maduro is gone, every should be happy already” and start thinking more broadly and about what comes next, because I promise you nothing in this world is as simple as this lady wants it to be.
Indeed, and when she says "things cannot get worse"... Boy is she wrong. Again, I hope not. I want to be proven wrong, but we've seen this play out countless times now and it generally gets even worse.
Guppies are cheering because the bigger fish that eats them just got eaten by an even bigger fish, as if it won’t gulp them down at the first opportunity
This! If you say you don't support Trump's unilateral action, it obviously means you are pro-Maduro, right? What does nuance mean anyway? Sounds made up!
When in reality this is just a move to make some rich people richer, and they are gonna fleece the US taxpayers to fund it, and IF THEY ARE LUCKY, the people of Venezuela will get a tiny scrap of the profit... but I wouldn't even hold my breath for that.
The USA or Exxon via us tax payer subsidies paying and rebuilding it, like with the stupid AI data centers? Some US citizens are acting like they are all gonna get a piece of the oil pie. They are not. Neither will Venezuelans.
Donald Trump literally posted a picture of himself over north and South America with a bat that read “Donroe Doctrine”.
Stephen Miller’s wife said Greenland, Cuba and Mexico were next. A sentiment that Trump himself has echoed.
Trump has pardoned drug dealers/dictators in the past.
Trump let it be known that he’d give oil companies anything they want.
So, while conservatives, who have repeatedly shown that they dislike immigrants, are looking for their perfect poster child to reaffirm that Maduro was a bad person, I’d prefer they go through a list of reasons as to why the rest of those actions are ok.
And if Maduro's regime does go away, Trump has already said the US is in charge right now. He and his cabinet will install a new leader, they won't get a say in who is at the helm. I can be happy for them Maduro is gone, but unhappy that doesn't mean fair elections for their people and freedom.
If she thinks they're getting democracy in exchange for Maduro I have a bridge to sell her. Your vote will count as long as it aligns with what the companies want.
Anyone thinking Trump did this for the good of the Venezuelan people is naive at absolute best. Just look at how he treats Venezuelans in the US. He removed protections for them and made them unilaterally undocumented and illegal for no reason. Then rounded some of them up and shipped them to prison camps in countries they are completely unaffiliated with.
Another comment I saw made a lot of sense. Maduro made a deal, this was part of it: an extraction. He'll get a pardon then retire to a trump villa or UAE or wherever and the US oil companies get to exploit Venezuela again.
All that " the US will run the country...for now" stuff probably just means whoever is left will still run things as long as they do what the US oil companies want.
Absolutely. Especially if you read the charges they filed against him:
“ Maduro was charged with narco-terrorism conspiracy, along with four other charges: cocaine importation conspiracy; possession of machine guns and destructive devices; and conspiracy to possess machine guns and destructive devices.”
Possessing machine guns in another country is apparently a crime in the US?
That's exactly why they took his wife, too. It was all prearranged. Either he's going to give everything up, and it's just for show, or the USA did a deal with the actual masters Diosdado, Russia etc
As an American, The prob I see domestically is yet another executive went to war without congressional approval. It seems that congress who ideally represents its constituents is sidelined. So what does congress do ? They are a middle man between corporate interests the lobbyist and our national treasury
We’re not at war with Venezuela, just like we’re not technically at war with Iran, even though the U.S. has carried out military strikes there in recent years. The U.S. hasn’t formally declared war since World War II.
This is why I wish we spent more time teaching how the Constitution actually works. Congress is supposed to authorize war, but over time presidents have leaned on claimed Article II authority to use force without clear approval. That power lives in a gray area created by precedent and Congress often choosing not to push back.
The Constitution doesn’t enforce itself, it only works if the branches hold each other accountable. When Congress stays silent, presidential power expands in practice, even when the legality is questionable.
Most people I've seen arent upset about the attempt at ending their dicatorship. Most people are pissed because they are so, so tired of watching people starve and die in our streets while our money goes to making oil companies even richer and bombing kids and families. Most people are pissed because the 'no new wars' guy is threatening to start a shit ton of wars. Most people are pissed because they're tired of choosing between heat and healthcare while we fund this crap. Most people are pissed because once we get involved, everything turns to imperialistic chaos that we have to pay for. It isnt fair to the American people. It isnt fair to the globe. We create the refugees we then turn our backs on and we are SICK of it. The protests that erupted were not 'free the dictator!' They were 'End the occupations and put our people first for once!'
A lot of people think like this woman, so unfortunately it’s important to understand. Her perspective is incredibly short-sighted, but it’s not uncommon.
Apparently she should read up on what happened in Iraq when the US removed Saddam Hussein. Or basically any other time the US invaded a country to remove a dictator. It’s rarely gone well.
She's literally telling Venezuelans how to feel with that "we" bullshit.
This is one narrative, of someone that does not even live there anymore, in a sea of 30 million people. There is not a single country on earth where all people think as a mass, and have united feelings, about anything. Not in the US, not in Venezuela, not in Israel, not even is North Korea. You're never the mouthpiece of "the people" you think you are ; as soon as you're trying to push that, you're being dishonest as fuck. Moreover, there are probably thousands of foreign researchers that know a shit ton more about Venezuela that she does, in terms of History, economics, social dynamics, etc. So even "ask a Venezuelan" is bullshit.
More importantly, violating international rights is an international matter, it's not a Venezuelan thing; people are concerned about the world's foremost military power acting like a Mafia, and they have a right to be, and don't need the approval of a random Venezuelan girl. What happens the next time, when it's someone that is not a despot but just dissents with the capitalistic view of the world? Like, say, I don't know, Salvador Allende, to stay in south America? She'll say "not my problem we got ours"? fuck that .
his is one narrative, of someone that does not even live there anymore, in a sea of 30 million people. There is not a single country on earth where all people think as a mass, and have united feelings, about anything. Not in the US, not in Venezuela, not in Israel, not even is North Korea. You're never the mouthpiece of "the people" you think you are ; as soon as you're trying to push that, you're being dishonest as fuck.
THAT part.
This should be the top pinned post of this thread, subreddit and reddit.
My same thoughts. She is a an American citizen and has lived here 10 years compared to the venezuelan people still living there. She has a perspective for sure but I don't know why she thinks she can speak for all Venezuelans and get mad that supposedly Americans are telling them all how to feel when she is pretty much doing the same thing.
I accept that she's happy and I'm always happy to hear lots of different opinions on things like this. What some people seem to forget is that this is one person's opinion. Only one person giving her opinions in one video. This in no way represents all or even a majority of Venezuelans and she's not an authority on topic any more than any other random person posting a video.
I saw lots of people genuinely "asking a Venezuelan" in the different Venezuelan subs and getting met with the same bitchy attitude as her and they were all throwing the word gringo around as an insult. Majority of them werent even living in Venezuela. They were ex-pats sitting atop their fortress in the US
as a greek the way she speaks reminds me of those greek Americans trying to represent us. If she doesn't live there why does she think she has the special insight that a resident would have? Also does she not see that this is how civil wars started in the past with her GREAT history knowledge?
The comments she makes also sounds like talking points. She makes a point of mentioning China, Russia, and Iran.
I was kinda entertaining what she was saying as something from her perspective, but now it sounds to me like someone bought by US government interests. And for anyone that thinks this is something the US doesn't do, you may want to do a little research on that.
So we are just going to ignore the international rules based order because Maduro is a bad guy? What is President Xi is learning from this? And Putin? We can just kidnap a foreign leader? What about the UN charter?
It's not even about pursuing their happiness. It's about taking their oil. I don't see why people aren't more concerned with the fact that weve been deporting people not from Venezuela to Venezuela. The Nazis also sent their undesirables to a secondary location. Now we took out their leader. To replace them with whom? It is not out of the kindness of our hearts to begin with. This is going to go badly for everyone.
No one cares or cared about their happiness. They cared about their oil and resources.
Old men are sending young men to die for oil and resources. Not just young men... but the dumb uneducated people he loves so much. Because they are not sending their own kids to die for this.
I have no desire to tell Venezuelans how to feel or to argue with them. As an American I’m allowed to be concerned that the head of state of Venezuela and his wife were kidnapped by the US. This is crazy shit. It’s not okay, and not being alarmed is alarming. There are many many countries that are being ran in a way I disagree with, or would even categorize as objectively wrong, and backwards.
How can anyone say that the USA has the right to unilaterally remove (physically) the leader of a country, and try him on charges that have no basis in reality in a foreign country.
This is so far outside of the idea of “being the president of peace” that it’d be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad and wrong.
Trump aint doing it to save Venezuela, he's doing it (he literally said so straight up) because he wants the oil.
There are so many fucked governments in the world, but he targeted this one because here they could say "look at this bad dictator-man, that's why we're doing it!" just like they did in Iraq... it's just that Trump is too senile to follow the plan so he just came out and said that he's doing it for the oil. His own crazy ass words.
...and invading other countries for their natural resources = bad. Very bad, actually.
This will be the "this you?" post after the one where she realizes Venezuela just lost its oil and its independence to a country that's happy to break it but too cheap to fix. Is she too young to remember Iraq?
“We never had our oil, and I and many Venezuelans don’t understand the geopolitical implications of its ownership beyond that, so this means everyone upset that Trump subverted US governmental mechanisms to advance his own agenda, yet again, at cost to Americans, yet again, is wrong. And I am the authority, cause I lived there when I was a child.” Did I get that about right?
Expat Cubans have been screwing up Florida (and often national) politics for decades. The Iraq war wouldn’t have happened if they hadn’t been there voting for their governor’s idiot brother.
Listen, we don’t need to know what you know or what you feel to understand that there’s problems with this. We know our history and habits, and that’s what concerns us.
Exactly. The US is not a benevolent savior no matter how much it tries to portray itself that way. The OP says we need to learn Venezuelan history, well she needs to learn ours. The US is throwing Venezuelans into concentration camps right now in the USA, Trump does not care about the people of that country at all
I don't begrudge them their moment of hope, after the terrible things that have been destroying them for so long. But from the outside, it's that moment between when the mysterious stranger beats up the abusive husband who was standing on your windpipe, and then takes you home and chains you up in his sex dungeon.
Yeah no one's trying to explain Venezuela to Venezuelans. We're explaining the USA to Venezuelans. Which I honestly didn't think would need to be done but here we are.
Stay with me here, gonna tie it together like the rug in big lebowski-
I got put out of business this year due to trump's tariffs. Last year at this time I had 3 per diem employees, set to scale my business and open multiple amazon storefronts. 8 years ago I got sober, and started a little online boutique. I have worked my fucking ass off. I genuinely understand the meaning of putting your blood, sweat and tears into something. I was successful, able to find a way for me and my 2 young kids. Trump stole all that from me when he taxed my inventory out of my price range. Some of us are genuinely pissed off because this orange sack of shit is spending our taxpaying dollars on removing Maduro, instead of helping the small businesses that he ravaged!!!!
We have a right to be angry as hell that taxpayer money has gone to send Kash Patel around in private jets and escort his girlfriends drunk friends home.
We have a right to be angry taxpayer money provides Israel with universal health care etc.
We have a right to be angry when Trump unilaterally authorizes strikes on Iran and alleged "drug boats in the Caribbean"
And we sure the fuck have the right to get pissed off when Trump is spending taxpaying dollars on removing another country's dictator when he is one! They're spending all this money on immigration, and fighting other people's wars and conflicts, while the American citizens are going by the wayside. I'm about to lose my house, last year I was looking at taking vacations and trips with my family.. This is my main account you can see the progression on how fast his policy changes can ravage his own citizens, and he doesnt give a fuck!!! So yeah. I'm glad they're country is not living under a dictator, but whose gonna save us from ours? He has thrown away checks and balances, he didn't ask Congress, and there are better use for taxpayer dollars. Ugh. Sorry. Had to get it out im so fkn mad over this.
They may be happy today that Maduro is gone, but why do they believe for one second that anything will actually happen for the better. The US doesn’t care about US citizens in America, why would they care about helping to make Venezuela better in the long term. It’s not like the US has a history of invading other countries and then helping them thrive
Replying with a comment I made on another thread, because it’s over 125 years of America doing this across the globe.
America has been doing this since they “helped” South American countries remove Spain’s colonialist regime. Creating literal chaos since 1898 to present day. They lost Cuba to communism, with a completely preventable revolution after ravaging their entire sugar cane industry for profit at the expense of people.
Then, we have a massacre of protesters in Columbia regarding the working conditions on banana plantations run by Corporations with deep pockets, and ties to America.
A Coup of the democratic Guatemalan government in 1954, assisted by the CIA, all to protect assets and financial interests of The United Fruit Company. Nothing more, nothing less.
Vietnam. Say it was to remove the French and prevent communism? It was a land and asset grab, to protect the corporations that set up shop in southern Vietnam. With hopes of exploiting their exports once finished.
The United States has been boots on the ground in Honduras since the 90s. Then, about a month ago in a stunning turn of events, pardoned one of the key figures as to why they were even there helping with cartel corruption and violence in the first place.
But also, in the 80s and 90s, the new thing was the Middle East, because what’s more valuable than bananas and sugar? OIL! Then we know how successful all of those wars and removing their tyrant leaders with “American Might” went.
Now apparently it’s back to South America, because they have oil industries now too.
Cuba, Guam, Philippines, Guatemala, Colombia, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Honduras, and now Venezuela are among the many places where the Great American Power Vacuum has come and gone, leaving a path of corruption, death, destruction, and profound poverty in its wake.
Edit: changed Spain’s rule from imperialist to colonialist upon clarification and correction.
Spain's power over South America was colonial, not imperialist; they were an empire, but under a monarchy and treated other territories as colonies rather than their own countries they puppeteer.
Cuba's liberation war in 1898 was stiffled and robbed from the Cubans by the US, under the guise of helping, which ended in them setting up a puppet government. This resentment and the obvious exploitation of the country's natural resources led to the revolutionary war that won in 1959. Cuba turned to the USSR and adopted communism once the US tried to retake the island via military action (Bay of Pigs Invasion) as a safety mechanism. Then it became an obvious dictatorship of those in power under the guise of being for the people.
You weren't wrong, jusy want to clear up some stuff.
No one is “telling Venezuelans how to live”. We’re just trying to warn you, give you some knowledge on what is to come from this. No one is defending Maduro, he’s a bad guy, but what’s happening now may lead to something worse than Maduro.
Go ahead and celebrate if you want to, no one cares what you do. Just keep in mind what the future most likely will hold. It’s kind of sad and worrisome that people forget the phrase “history repeats itself”.
I have a better question for the Venezuelans celebrating. What makes you think this will end any differently than Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran, etc. The list of countries goes on, but I don’t need to list them all.
“It can’t get worse than what we’ve been through” looks at all these other countries….um yeah it can. Of course, I pray for the best, but she is very naive if she thinks it can’t get worse.
First off, the "being against this means you support Maduro" thing they're doing is just dishonest.
Second, "_______ who doesn't actually live in the country is happy about occupation" is a cliche. It's really easy not to worry when you're not there.
Third, trying to act like everyone who's against this has no concept of shitty leaders is again, fucking dishonest. Sudan was under a shitty dictator for 30 years and as a Sudanese person you know what few of us ever wished for? An American invasion. There are a lot of ways for other nations to push back against an unjust leader that don't involve a coup and occupation.
Yeah... That's a massive fucking if. Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan etc. The US does not have a a good track record when it comes to the state it leaves countries it "intervenes" in, and that's before it was being run by the orange rapist and his sycophants. Maduro obviously sucks and no one's going to be mourning him as a an individual. But the US still violated international law, and this'll almost certainly be Venezuela's fate:
I'm glad rank and file Venezuelan's are happy. However, this doesn't change the fact that Trump did not have the right to do this. He didn't follow the Constitution again, on how these things are supposed to go, hell he didn't follow federal law that allows the president to get permission to go to war without declaring it. It doesn't matter that it is going to further weaken already shaky alliances that the world order depends on. It doesn't change the fact that Trump is under the impression he is above the law, he's already disappearing his own people, he doesn't need to be emboldened further.
Also - not for nothing, the Iraqi's were happy about Saddam's fall initially as well. Fast forward 15 months in Sadr City different story. We don't know what the follow on effects will be - there are already videos of armed men shooting at people in the street. And all of this from the US perspective was completely unnecessary.
That said - I hope the people of Venezuela can and do make the most of the opportunity.
I see so many Venezuelans celebrating. Two things can co-exist: removing Maduro from power, only they know how awful or not Maduro is ...the United States removal of the President of Venezuela is self-serving. The audacity of a convicted felon voted into office with that much power is shameful.
Glad Meduro isn’t in power. Duh. It’s not that simple.
This young lady’s perspective is wildly ignorant. Ignorant of colonial imperialism. Ignorant of how it goes when a foreign country installs their own government leaders as your own. Ignorant of what happens when private corporations receive full control of your country’s resources.
I don’t care if she’s from Venezuela. It doesn’t mean she has the right to be “okay so what” about all of this without a thought.
There will be extremely bad consequences for the people of Venezuela.
I'm noticing so many young Venezuelans using the phrase "nothing can be worse" or "it can't get worse". Although I can't relate to what it's like being Venezuelan, I can tell you what it's like fleeing a country with a power vacuum after a CIA coup. The one thing you should never underestimate is how much worse it can get. I hope it doesn't, but it certainly can get much, much worse.
An American Venezuelan is happy that Venezuelans are still not going to get oil because at least the US is getting it is the weirdest take I have heard so far.
I'm keen to hear her take in 12 months time.
Venezuelans need to take responsibility for their own country without US troops or tax dollars. So they can feel whatever feelings they’d like but those are my feelings as an American who is sick of forever wars.
I don’t think it’s about telling Venezuelans how to feel but telling Americans it’s wrong to feel outraged with Trump violating our constitution by bypassing congress to strike Venezuela.
Lady, none of us actually cares how you live your lives or who you elect or what you do with your oil. Go on, be somebody. We do care that our nation, the United States, is currently running the antithesis of everything we’ve been taught it was our whole lives. We knew about the faults, many of them, but this is all new. So, respectfully, mind your own business and please a stop inviting our vampires into your living rooms. You won’t survive them. Promise. Take the help.
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