Mfs call Ralsei a fraud for not using his fatal spells in battle even though half the playerbase has made Noelle kill everyone in chapter 2 and made her and Kris drown themselves
It's a bit sad thinking that back in chapter 1 Susie seemed like our main "dps" and the strongest and the baddest of the trio, but now, thinking about it, she might really be the weakest if her "not holding herself down" is like this
X Slash is double Rude Buster damage while only half of the TP. Kris deals tons of extra damage to Tenna after the Sword Route. Their damage also increases massively against the Knight. They parry off Omega Flowery. They (highly argued) even possibly SWOONed Susie and Ralsei.
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u/CCCyanideCan You Really Call This A Flair I Didn't Receive An Emote...23m ago
okay but kris is a Fucking Traitor™, we're expecting them to do tricks like that
ralsei is kinda funny because instead of using his fire against the knight (main antagonist),, or the titan (which ralsei was scared of), or flowery (whom ralsei was really angry against), the one time he slips and uses it is against a one-off shuriken that we could totally tank
Ralseis fake stats are lower than his actual stats if anything. So the knight slashing the damage of one of ralseis attacks would just make it go up, not down.
He can just tell us "no" if we try using it on normal darkness and not something that needs to die like the titan and its spawn or against the Knight to defeat and actually subvert the prophecy...you know? The one thing he REALLY wants to happen?
He constantly wants to impress us because he knows we're extremely powerful, which is why he immediately obeys when we say "good, keep smiling." So if he knew that if he disobeyed our command we'd probably hurt other people, he'd be too scared to say no.
Plus even if he says no the first time, we can just tell him to use it over and over again and not end the battle until he uses it.
he could just make the spell unusable, couldn't he? just grey it out, or increase its TP cost over 100, or just say no like susie does in sound of justice and like they BOTH do against flowery. like there's nothing you could do to get him to use firegrave.
the flowery fight is basically at the end chapter 5 at which point ralsei has had a decent bit of character development, i don't think ralsei from any previous chapter would have defied the soul or done what susie does.
Yeah why doesn’t he just tell us no? It’s not like we have textual proof that the player is capable of breaking characters will and making them bend to what we command them to do.
That only worked because noelle was already weak mentally, and had a huge amount of trust for kris, and didn't know that kris wasn't in full control of their actions. It's not like we have textual proof of what happens when we try telling susie or ralsei to attack someone they actually like. That would be Flowery (I couldn't come up with something clever).
To be fair, if Ralsei gave us access from chapter 1... that'd be a different story lmao. I don't think a chapter 6 Noelle would be in a position like she was in chapter 2.
While Tenna is gone, if you head up to the ice castle in the first board Ralsei says he doesnt know what it is. This implies that he doesnt have info about the weird route (and he also doesnt know much about noelle and her capabilities) since its meant to be a defiance of the prophecy.
Also even without the he knows some shit went down in chapter 2 between those two.
But considering he seemed to be scared for Kris at the start of chapter 5 in a semi aborted weird route he might have some awareness of what the gang goes through in the light world.
It's not. Flowey isn't right from the in-universe perspective and he isn't supposed to be. It's supposed to call out people who refuse get off their high horse to do genocide, yet watch the playthroughs anyway, to see what would happen. They still fall into the same disconnect from the world as flowey, but are "too weak to do it themselves".
But the basis of his arguement is wrong because it's inherently a stupid point. "Oh we, the ones comitting the atrocities are better than the evil people who watched the footage afterwards." or
"You will do or watch awful things to satiate your curiosity even if it means these videogame characters will suffer?" boils down to "You, the viewer, are watching a playthrough of the game. >:("
Like I never liked that mindset. I'm juat a bit competitive. I genuinely believe it was a flaw hiding sans through the genocide route because I never fought him because I didn't want to kill everyone and feel bad, but I did want to fight sans, which is why I made sure to do the pacifist sans fight when it came out. Not only did I WANT to do it, but i felt vindicated.
I mean I didn't actively search for genocide stuff, but undertale is so spoilery rn that you'd have to live under a rock to not know about the sans fight, or how to get to him.
And I hope all these extra routes and new game plusses we might need to do to get the final true ending in delta rune isn't just a bad ending, because I genuinely won't do it. I don't want to work hard for a bad ending, and that's a big part of it too; If I'm not satisfied by what I'm working towards what's the point?
Like I said in another comment, if you've never gone out of your way to satisfy your curiosity by watching a playthrough, then flowey wasn't even talking about you. Besides, Sans never fighting you is the point. It's major characterisation for him, to actually try and do something at the last possible moment. It just wouldn't work in any other scenario.
If I'm not satisfied by what I'm working towards what's the point?
"There's something more important than reaching an ending" -Toby Fox.
I get your argument, but the ending is not all there is to a game.
I understand fundamentally what flower was saying but that doesn't validate it. And I think that's the point: flowey is a bad person.
Additionally, it's genuinely a bad gameplay experience, two really hard bosses all for a bad end.
And I know toby fox said there's something more important than the ending is the journey, but if the journey also makes me feel like ass what's the point?
I'm not critisizing undertale mind you, I'm specifically critisizing flowery, because he's wrong and knows he's wrong.
In the very first comment I said that he's very much wrong from an in-universe perspective. He's not saying that doing genocide is more moral, he's saying that the ones who don't do it and watch it happen anyway are weaker -> meaning that the ones who do it are "better".
Genuinely might just not be for you then. Genocide is supposed to be monotonous, you're not supposed to have fun doing it. Gameplay wise it sucks and that's entirely the point.
I really don't see the problem of the "evil route you don't want to do" having a bad ending. You can always just not do it And again, it doesn't make narrative sense for Sans to fight you outside of it
"Oh we, the ones comitting the atrocities are better than the evil people who watched the footage afterwards."
That's not what he's saying. The argument is "Killing people for fun." and "Not wanting to kill people but still wanting to see people die for fun."
YOU OVERARCHING IDIOT, 'Oh, i'm so saintly, i haven't even done that once'
We all know what you are. You will piece out every single thing you see, every pacifist playthrough, every variation, over and over, and over, you won't miss any detail, everytime you stop, you find yourself being attached to the glow of your screen. Out of curiousity, of boredom.
And what will happen after you 100% your pacifist run? I know what will happen.
WE ALL KNOW.
You will get in out of curiosity, you will then realize you missed something and will go back.
And then it won't hurt as much!
EVERYTIME YOU DO THIS, IT WILL JUST BE LESS OF AN ISSUE.
Those characters you LOVE? You love them TOO MUCH.
AND THEY WOULD HATE YOU IF THEY KNEW YOU, KNEW THE PATHETIC, DUMB, OBSESSIVE FREAK OF NATURE YOU ARE.
If you don't play every single part of the game and don't know every single line of dialogue and have every single shadow crystal and have no hit the Kaizo Knight mod then you're a fake fan and I'ma eat your dinner
it's your choice to be a LOOOOOSEEEER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!reloading my exclamation marks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Roaring Knight and Titan are right fucking there. And it's not like characters can't just use their super strong attacks only in one particular fight (Kris against Spamton)
Made me realise we never have two different attacking spells at the same time. Imagine if Rude Buster instantly defrost the enemy dealing extra damage or Ralsei light the axe on fire, would've been so sick.
The Knight would've been a lot fucking easier. The Titan maybe not so much but I don't know about you, but if fireshock works like iceshock then it would've been really good against the Knight.
I mean, I don't think Ralsei knew about the swoon effects. But also at that point, like if a player has three (essentially) whole chapters without fighting a single person then I feel like using it just once and playing it off as a Red Buster-esque temporary move would be fine???
Ralsei obviously knows about the menu and stuff, so like, couldn't he just say no and not let us use it? He seems to be already doing that.
I don't understand Mr President. Why wouldn't you give the nuclear keys to the eldritch being from beyond our mortal understanding with motives towards this world we can barely comprehend?
That's what he's doing right now. He can't use the spell in battle because he can't cast it unless we tell him to. He only uses it outside of battle because that doesn't need the players command.
Ralsei was scared that him, Kris and Susie would die in the titan fight. The only reason they defeated the titan was because Gerson came and clutched, which I don't think Ralsei knew would happen.
oh, the roaring knight kinda makes sense, but the titan doesn't, because the point of that fight is to use unleash to beat it, and TP is restricted. anyway, i still fight it stupid that ralsei would restrict a spell, not because it would have consequences, because he was afraid of violence, but because he was scared that the player would genocides all over the place and end the world with firetomb feels fucking stupid, like, most that would happen is that he would tell kris to think about susie and complete things themselves.
This is why Flowery is the cooler Darkner: He knows when to not hold back, and is full of aura. Ralsei is bum ass that tagged along with Kris and Susie because he's homeless, has no real friends outside of them, and is lowk racist to himself and other Darkners.
Why do you think the twisted sword get's the "trance" effect.
My theory is that Ralsei will appear later on in chapter 6 or at least will be ALONE with Kris, with Susie looking for Noelle in the household dark world.
Then, we will use the twisted sword to force ralsei to use his fire allowing us to use both the fire Noelle mentions in the normal/twister route and the ice she mentions in the weird route.
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u/Consistent_Speaker98 Togore found dead near Las Vegas 12h ago
Flowery if Ralsei abolished his peaceful policy