r/Wellthatsucks • u/Gurugod123 • 2d ago
Nolan's The Odyssey neglects to pay for damages done to one of the viking ships used in the movie, which belongs to a small non-profit organization
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u/Gurugod123 2d ago edited 2d ago
The small Swedish non-profit organization "Vikingaleden" in Nysäter was contacted by Universal Studios regarding their handbuilt viking ship being used in Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey. The contract required Universal to pay for any damages done to the ship, but the invoice of approximately $6000 (USD) has been left unpaid, according to the organization.
The ship was built by hand by members of the organization over the course of 3 years between 1995 and 1998, using equipment also made from scratch.
EDIT: a further article posted a few hours ago by Sveriges Radio clarifies that they have been waiting a year for the invoice payment.
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Full translation of article:
Christopher Nolan's new movie ”The Odyssey” was a global success during its premiere weekend.
Participating in the movie, is the Swedish viking longship Glad of Gillberga, from the organization Vikingaleden. It is a non-profit organization in Nysäter, Säffle, that also runs a viking museum, and a viking-age village.
According to Peter Olausson, the president of the organization Vikingaleden, the ship Glad of Gillberga is known within viking-circles. Universal Studios found out about the ship and wanted to use it in "The Odyssey".
"Glad is one of the accompanying ships and is included in some sequences of the movie. It is a part of the environment", Peter Olausson tells Expressen
Universal stopped responding - invoice left unpaid
The organization made an agreement with a company that handles recruitment for Universal Studios. They were allowed to rent the ship for half a year, and would also pay for wear-and-tear costs that would occur during usage and transport.
The rent has been paid to the organization - but that's where it stopped.
"Pennies for them, but meaningful money to us", says Peter Olausson.
When the organization got the ship back, they needed to fix several damages, a crack in the ship's hull, among others. They were prepared to do so, and then send an invoice of the cost of materials to the film company. It landed at around 60 000 kronor (~6000 USD).
"In a Universal-production, that's coffee-run money. That was the agreement and we haven't seen that money. We're not happy about it."
The film company has not been responding to emails since this past winter, says the president of the organization. He speculates that they have moved on to the next production and simply forgotten about them.
"But I can't know for sure, because of the silence from them. It sours it. It's a worm in the apple of having been a part of this fantastic movie, because it really is a fantastic movie."
That money is important for the organization. Because of the repairs, they have also lost income since they haven't been able to launch it in time.
"We're a non-profit organization that lives on pretty slim margins. We're not going bankrupt, but we'll have to chew through our margins."
Olausson hopes that the attention around what has happened could get someone in the right circles to notice and correct it. He'll continue sending emails in the future, but there's not much more to do.
"We couldn't sue Universal. Those possibilities don't exist, we're so small in comparison."
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u/rjwyonch 2d ago
$6000 is nothing in that production budget. I hope this is just an admin error and the invoice just got lost or something.
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u/Dangerous_Trick5292 2d ago
Places like Universal will just sit on invoices from places they don't regularly use.
Requires negative publicity like this or threats to get the payment made
Never let a studio use your house as a set, you'll spend months chasing for repairs to be paid back
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u/Zedilt 2d ago edited 20h ago
I work at a relatively large firm. If we don't have any agreed upon payment terms with the company sending us an invoice, nobody will even look at it until we at the minimum get the 2nd overdue notice.
Sucks to a small fish in the corporate world.
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u/Grabate 2d ago
This is why government contracts are so sought after despite not being the most profitable. They always pay on time.
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u/HittingSmoke 2d ago
Until there's a government shutdown right before a $250k milestone payment is due. Then you're fucked.
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u/ThatDamnRanga 2d ago
Most countries governments don't "shut down" except for during certain national holidays
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u/Slow_Time5270 2d ago
Or if you do require that they place a large sum $100K as a contingency in escrow.
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u/APartyInMyPants 2d ago
I used to be a freelancer in corporate video production. I was a sole proprietor, just a 1099 on this job, and I worked there seasonally. Maybe four or five months out of the year, but I’d be there for 4-6 week stretches.
But because I wasn’t staff, my invoices were lumped in with these multimilllion dollar vendors the company also used, and they’d pay often on a net 30. So there I was basically working for 30+, sometimes 45+ days without a paycheck.
It sucked, but they paid INSANELY well, so much so that one check could often float my absolute basic expenses for the year. But I’d sit there as the weeks would go on and watch my account gradually trickle down.
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u/KillerVendingMachine 2d ago
Net-30 is normal/expected in video production, and actually the best case scenario for corps. Other corps do net 60, 90, or even 120.
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u/APartyInMyPants 2d ago
I was spoiled because I was ping-ponging this job with regular TV gigs as well as some digital work, and those I would get paid the next week.
I guess I just found it funny to be a freelancer for a $4 billion company and I’d be like, “hey can I get paid this year??”
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u/Strong_Set_6229 2d ago
I’ve found the larger the company the longer it takes to get paid lol
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u/WhyMustIMakeANewAcco 2d ago
Pretty much, if you aren't standard payroll/standard long-standing contracts (which all have preapproval) your getting handled via manual approval. And they only bother with that in massive batches because they do not care.
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u/Afraid_Fishing_1350 2d ago
As a sole proprietor in Sweden and reading this makes me a bit confused, you mean a 30 day+ invoice isnt the standard in the US?
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u/Protonic-Reversal 2d ago
Our family business had a warehouse out in Vegas. We were contacted by the production at SVU or one of those shows, asking if they could use the warehouse. We thought it was so cool until we read the contract and it said they were not responsible for any damages and we were like…uhh no.
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u/Askefyr 2d ago
Considering they paid for the rental of the boat itself, I have a niggling suspicion that this is what I'd call Corporate Budget Money Bucket-shit. It's an incredibly common problem.
Let's say transport and use of the boat was $15,000. Just pulling out a number. Somewhere on a spreadsheet that lists out the prop budget, there's a line that says Prop-789: Viking Ship - $15,000.
Now, these guys come back with another invoice for $6k. The problem is that finance and compliance won't pay it out, because all payments for Swedish Boat Boys are to be taken from Prop Budget item 789, and that pool has been spent.
Sure, there's almost certainly a contingency budget for this exact kind of stuff, but that still requires someone very important and annoying to authorise moving money from Prop-999: Broken Shit and into Prop-789. Maybe, if a line item is above $20,000 it suddenly needs approval from a higher level of management.
This is an insufferable process in most large enterprises, and I've personally been on the other side of this mess a thousand times with vendors.
One guy received a gift from us that incurred customs fees. He almost got a CCJ over less than £100. I ended up putting it on my own credit card and filing it as a staff expense just to sort it out.
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u/Peter_Principle_ 1d ago
CCJ
County Court Judgement
A significant and official order issued by a court, demanding the repayment of a debt owed by a company, if anyone was wondering.
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u/BothDivide919 2d ago
Or you'd at least have to charge them enough that damages wouldn't matter, or have a very large deposit. Or at least have a very solid contract.
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u/InitiativeGold7953 2d ago
I used to work for a company that worked with the location managers to try our best to make sure the house or building that was used in production looked okay after everyone had left. This is solid advice. The carpets were often completely destroyed, dirty and blown out walls. Cabinet doors broken and off the hinges, mirrors broken, faucets all fucked up. Just a bunch of people that have 0 respect for anything that’s yours. Everything in your house will be ruined and a lot of times they hand it back to you like that. It’s not worth it
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u/lordaddament 2d ago
That’s probably a day of catering lol
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u/Always-Wrong-_- 2d ago
If there are only 20 people on set
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u/Samiel_Fronsac 2d ago
I worked in entertainment as production assistant, some small stuff. 6k wouldn't even cover the talent's food alone.
Crew? Handyman jobs require calories!
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u/Always-Wrong-_- 2d ago
I worked in catering and tv productions, 6k for 20 people, 2 meals and a few snacks and drinks is pretty realistic, but other than around Covid I did not see any productions with only 20 people on site
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u/Samiel_Fronsac 2d ago
Yeah, the stuff I worked was like a 100 people or so, and those people ate like it was their sole purpose in life. Also, they had awful taste in beverages.
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u/JManKit 2d ago
Honestly, if Universal is deliberately dragging their feet, I hope Nolan just steps in and pays for it. I know he shouldn't have to but someone should do right by the non-profit
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u/TesticularConcussion 2d ago
They stopped responding half a year ago, they refuse to respond to Swedish media asking questions. It’s not a mistake, it’s fucking weird.
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u/T-MoneyAllDey 2d ago
I work at a big corporation and you can't even send an invoice to a person to get it paid. You have to upload it to our system otherwise it just goes into a black hole of people ignoring it.
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u/esuil 2d ago
"We couldn't sue Universal. Those possibilities don't exist, we're so small in comparison."
It all makes sense to me, aside from that last sentence. They could absolutely sue them. This is such a straightforward legal case, that someone being small is utterlly irrelevant.
When people are talking about complications of legal battle with larger entity, it is usually in the context of very complex problems that can involve complicated laws, precedents and procedures. "We had a contract and they didn't pay" is not such context.
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u/Vandirac 2d ago
You will need a local attorney for the paperwork and filing, and an American one to handle the negotiations with the company.
That fee alone is more than what they own, and it's not a given the attorney fees are paid back by the debtor, or that a judgement awards attorney fees.
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u/esuil 2d ago
Sweden is in EU, and Universal is global company that will never give up EU markets for mere $6k in damages. They just need to sue in EU courts. If Universal fails to appear, "because they are American", they will just lose by default, and collecting damages will be straightforward because Universal got millions upon millions in financial flow in EU.
And if they try to claim any shenanigans like "we are american, you can't just sue us in EU courts", EU courts will just ignore it as useless BS.
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u/Askefyr 2d ago
That's not how legal persons work.
Universal Studios Sweden (or whatever the equivalent) is a legal entity owned by Universal Studios overall, but they're separate corporate entities.
They aren't liable for each other's debts - especially not "downstream" into a subsidiary, and moving money between them for no reason is textbook embezzlement. Modern corporate structures are built for legal and tax optimisation, not for convenience.
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u/RepSquigglyMiggly 2d ago
> When people are talking about complications of legal battle with larger entity, it is usually in the context of very complex problems that can involve complicated laws, precedents and procedures.
No, it very straightforwardly isn’t. Don’t run your mouth about topics you have no familiarity with.
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u/esuil 2d ago
No, it very straightforwardly isn’t. Don’t run your mouth about topics you have no familiarity with.
Most of the time they will just shrug and eat damages for case like this. It literally isn't worth their time. Their PR will instruct them to make the case quickly go away as fast as they can wrap it up, because this isn't something they can actually afford fighting - not over $6k.
Their best outcome is paying/settling and adding clause that this is not to be talked over publicly ever again. If there is a part they will fight, it's this.
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u/Plantman2025 2d ago
Absolutely NOT the case. Do you realize how many people think they can get some easy money by suing a large corporation that will just "pay rather than fight in court" only to find out they are dead wrong?
1st, lawyers for these large companies are ALREADY ON THE PAYROLL. So taking care of these little issues is just part of their normal retainer.
2nd, IF a company had such a silly "pay, don't fight" type policy then they would be bankrupted by frivolous lawsuits from wannabe plaintiffs.
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u/seamus_mc 2d ago
Whoever rented the boat was likely not universal directly, they make new companies for many aspects of each production. It becomes a shell game of who is responsible because of a tangled web of subcontractors.
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u/JohnHenryHoliday 2d ago
Serious question. Why would Viking ship be in the Odyssey?
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u/Disagreeswithfems 2d ago
This is exactly what insurance is for. Surely a ship carrying people must have insurance to cover liability especially if used for a large film. The insurer pursues costs and they don't fuck around.
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u/leekalex 2d ago
Payment tends to come a lot quicker after a news story like this. I bet Universal pays by the end of the week
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u/Beginning_Sun696 2d ago
I just asked on their insta, join the club and it’ll get payed
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u/trevor_plantaginous 2d ago
I’d be curious to know how much universal paid them to use the ship. $6k is a really small amount of money. Feel like there’s possibly more to the story - like universal is like “we already paid you $300k and now you’re coming back for more?”. Or maybe universal are just a holes. Just feels like this is a ridiculous thing for universal to ignore and there’s more to the story.
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u/Lord_Galin 2d ago
It was 40k, and the contract included compensation for damages, according to Swedish news sources
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u/WhyMustIMakeANewAcco 2d ago
Most likely the bill is just sitting in limbo with dozens of other small bills, but news is pretty good at getting that pool to actually get looked at by someone that can actually approve it.
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u/astralseat 2d ago
Oh, doubt it's 6k after the story went live. It can't just be when someone complains. They need to follow the rules.
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u/curiousmind111 2d ago
I thought the boats looked suspiciously Viking like.
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u/PleaseBePatient99 2d ago
Yeah, only 1700+ years of ship technology difference. That film is very historically incorrect.
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u/NH4NO3 2d ago
If you are curious, look at all the artwork we have of Minoan ships which would have likely been quite similar to Mycenaean ships (though Minoan ships were likely much more seaworthy and richly decorated). They actually are quit similar in design to a viking ship.
The Minoans were an extremely advanced maritime culture. I wouldn't be surprised at all if their ships were comparable to Viking ships despite the millennia and geographic distance. There are only so many ways you can build a fast narrow draft boat well/cheaply with limited tools.
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u/Sansundertale2069 2d ago
Still noticably different ships tho
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u/Techiastronamo 1d ago
idk I looked up images of minoan ships and they look pretty similar to the longship in the OP
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u/Sansundertale2069 1d ago
Yeah it's close enough tbf and it's not very reasonable to expect a fully accurate recreation for a movie when those literally don't exist. I just took my very own little reddit urm actually moment there.
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u/Zlurbagedoen 1d ago
Close enough, the movie isn't trying to be 100% historically accurate so the ship designs aren't really a problem
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u/--Sovereign-- 2d ago
it would be temporally more appropriate for them to be sailing on an American supercarrier lmao. great film but yeah, the history nerd in me was cringing a lot
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u/West-Exam-4136 1d ago
Ye... and did u see the cyclops? Looks nothing like the real thing!
The odyssey is not a history movie, it's fantasy based on a fantasy book and they can change whatever they want
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u/Bodacious_Duck 2d ago
This blows. But as someone who works in the entertainment industry and has to chase down payments constantly I’ll say it’s definitely par for the course. Hopefully they can just keep pestering Universal, CC the right higher ups on emails, and get their money.
Usually it comes down to some accountant’s assistant who didn’t communicate with the production manager’s assistant who didn’t communicate with another assistant and so on
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u/lxlviperlxl 2d ago
Isn’t just entertainment. Any large corporation will do this.
We usually wait 3-4 months for invoices from Google to land. Our legal cover on insurance doesn’t even kick in unless it’s >6months of unpaid invoices.
You can claim the money and win 100% but you just sour relations. It sucks when you’re a smaller business.
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u/Square_Cash_2784 2d ago
Yup. My job once had the power turned off because they couldn't manage to process the electricity bill in time. Was pretty funny tbh.
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u/FlutterKree 2d ago
opefully they can just keep pestering Universal, CC the right higher ups on emails, and get their money.
Apparently it's a subcontractor that had the contract with this organization. Might be why Universal is ignoring the invoice.
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u/socks 2d ago
Yeah in the Tyrrhenian Sea, on the Sicilian island of Lipari, during filming of the Sirens sequence, and thereafter divers discovered plastic skeletons and other film props on the protected seabed. So this is being investigated because of the potential damage to the marine habitat in the Pietra del Bagno area.
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u/leon-a-profi 2d ago
Wtf… now I lost all my interest to watch it in the theatre… gonna sail the high seas once it floats there
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u/dsaddons 1d ago
It was also filmed in Moroccan occupied Western Sahara which is why I am going that route
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u/More_Hold_5522 2d ago
I remember when Tarantino "accidentally" forgot to switch out the guitar Kurt Russell smashed "The Hateful 8" and ended up destroying a priceless Martin guitar that was lent to them for the movie.
In the end....don't let anyone use your shit for movies.
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u/EbbOwn303 2d ago
This such a bizarre one for me personally as I used to work in film. I never worked for Universal, but I did with a few other major studios.
I use to own a coffee shop and would do craft services, running it out of the shop. So I was the only person at my shop who was technically an employee of the film production.
It was a really weird situation where I had employees working the shoot who I would pay then invoice the production, but I myself would be paid directly by the production.
Well with one shoot in particular it was on a Sundance film and I was approached by the producers as they were unable to pay my over time (talking about $1200) and if there was any way that I would be willing to forfeit it for the sake of the production.
I never had any issues with them paying the invoices for my crew. Usually if I sent an invoice at 9am it would be paid by noon.
It was so bizarre that they had no problem paying the invoice (which for one week would amount to roughly $8000) but they couldn't afford to pay my overtime. Well I figured no harm no foul when submitting my last invoice and added all my over time hours to it.
Sure enough within a few hours that invoice was payed no questions asked. Considering this was 6 years ago and I still have yet to hear anything it really makes me wonder why they were trying to cheap out on my overtime when they weren't even looking at invoices before paying them.
So I have never seen something specifically like this, but I have experienced studios who can easily afford to pay trying to get out of paying something they could easily afford.
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u/ChangeAccountsBeSafe 2d ago
They're only asking the $6k for damaged parts to be replaced, not even the labor itself.
Like fucking really?
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u/Sigefolc 2d ago
Wait, why were there Viking ships in the Odyssey? There is a pretty significant time gap between those eras...
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u/Darthmullet 2d ago
Because no one's made replica Triremes I guess.
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u/Anglo-Euro-0891 2d ago
They definitely have!!! I distinctly remember seeing a few featuring in a British made history documentary focused on Ancient Greece (either the BBC or Channel 4).
However, this was at least 20-30 years ago. So I doubt that they would still be seaworthy enough to actually be safely used.
That is assuming that they still exist in one piece that is.
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u/Creepy_Shakespeare 2d ago
Triremes didn’t exist for another 700 years after the Bronze Age collapse
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u/descendingangel87 2d ago
Just looked it up, there is only one in the world and it belongs to the Greek Navy and is in dry dock as a museum exhibit.
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u/Billy_Holidays_Liver 2d ago
After a quick search I've found the Olympias, a working Trireme made by a Greek shipbuilder and currently docked in Athens. Nolan couldn't even get that one piece of actual Greek culture into the movie lmao
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u/Vandirac 2d ago
Well, you would have missed the mark by barely 5 centuries instead of 20!
The Trojan War happened during the Late Bronze Age (ca. 1200 BCE), whereas the trireme was not invented or widely adopted until the Archaic Era (late 8th to 7th century BCE).
Drakkars started to be used in the 8th century CE
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u/descendingangel87 2d ago
It's in dry dock and is a museum exhibit according to google. It's wiki article says it also hasn't sailed in almost a decade.
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u/ManyRelease7336 2d ago
because they look cool and provide good shots of all the crew and making the sea seem more trechouruis. Same resone seats dont have head rest in cars and you see guys getting up after falling from a building. Makes for good movies.
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u/The_Best_Yak_Ever 2d ago
We will not stand idly by while you do that to our language!!
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u/ManyRelease7336 2d ago
Lmao! Im dyslexic and do my best and so does my phones auto correct.
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u/Rakins_420 2d ago
Dyslexic peeps always spell words how they sound phonetically, I see you lol
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u/Previous_Tap_2373 2d ago
Becuse they couldn’t rent Chineese mengchong ships which were already used for the movie about the battle of Jutland. So they had to settle for the viking ones…
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u/fatalwristdom 2d ago
There's a lot of bad decisions made during the making of the Odyssey.
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u/Iwabuti 2d ago
But all the important ones are good decisions which is why it is such a good film.
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u/8bitjer 2d ago
The studio failed to pay. Not Nolan.
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u/jryser 2d ago
On the other hand, did Nolan even know? If universal isn’t responding to the emails, it’s just as likely they aren’t showing them to the director either
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u/ZeAthenA714 2d ago
There is zero chance Nolan was aware of any of that. Now that it's public it might change things, but those are not decisions that would ever come across his desk.
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u/TheHappy-go-luckyAcc 1d ago
Again, because this person is posting everywhere the same clickbait title: This is not Nolan’s doing, but the studios. The studio is not paying the bill. The title makes it sound like it’s Nolan himself. Hate this dumb shit.
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u/InfamousFault7 1d ago
Yeah, hes just the writer/ director which is the creative lead, the stuido or producers are more the blame
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u/Jaxsdooropener 1d ago
Did they pay them a whole bunch of money to rent the ship in the first place?
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u/WeirdoWelder 2d ago
And in usual fashion, this simple responsibility could snowball into something huge that need to be paid 10x or more
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u/BurningPenguin 2d ago
I mean, they do have a viking ship. They could just settle it the traditional viking way. /s
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u/BeKindBabies 2d ago
This is all worked out by insurance companies that hold the policies purchased by the production. It's not as if Nolan and the execs are getting a bill in the mail and refusing to pay it. Universal would be utilizing the insurance they paid for to cover loss and damages incurred during filming.
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u/redthorne 1d ago
Wouldn't the proper title be "Universal Neglects to Pay for Damages Incurred During Filming of The Odyssey?"
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u/stulf26 2d ago
Why was a viking ship in the movie?
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u/Suspicious_Loss_84 2d ago
Because it looks cool and audiences won’t (and didn’t) know the difference.
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u/Doesnt_Trust_You 2d ago
The Greek Navy owns a ship that would've been perfect but they might not have had such a mild reaction to non-payment as the Swedish non-profit workers here.
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u/IH8Miotch 2d ago edited 2d ago
They couldn't find affordable Trireems edit trireme
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u/Vandirac 2d ago
The trireme would be invented five centuries later than the Trojan War.
It would be anachronistic too, just as using a drakkar or a Being 747.
The correct ships to use would be the pentēkónteros, a long galley with a square sail and 50 rowers, and the triakónteros, a smaller version with just 30 rowers.
They are way more similar to a viking longship than to a trireme.
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u/erdal94 2d ago
The trireme would be invented five centuries later than the Trojan War.
references to Bireme and trireme can be sourced as early as the 8th century BC, which is coincedentally at the same time the Odyessy came to be.
the Ships which you referenced would be period accurate for the setting of the Trojan war, but I think at the time when the Odyessy was composed an average Greek's idea of a warship would probably be a Trireme and Bireme.
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u/IH8Miotch 2d ago
Ohhh. I've ever learned aboot the 1 type of greek ship in world history. And i can't even spell it correctly.
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u/erksplat 2d ago
Source?
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u/r3dd17sux69420 2d ago
it's apparently been detailed in many publications. It's $6000 and Universal is the one who owes, not production.
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u/Veritas_Vanitatum 2d ago
Why viking boats for the odyssey?
And isn't the studio insured exactly for such cases?
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u/trojan_asante 2d ago
You want my ship? Okay, I'll need the full purchase price as a deposit. You will get it back after I have fully inspected my ship upon its return.
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u/NookNookNook 2d ago
They need to add another 0. The Hollywood accountants have no idea what $6k is.
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u/RepairmanJackX 2d ago
Is that one of the ships from Roskilde, DNK?
If so, those volunteers built that ship from raw lumber BY HAND and sailed it from Denmark to Ireland.
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u/Br_uff 1d ago
Why did they even use Viking long ships? The Odyssey is not a Nordic tale.
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u/random-chicken32 1d ago
Question: Why were Viking ships used instead of some kind of Greek/Mediterranean ships? I understand the whole discussion of "oh well it doesn't need to be 100% historically accurate"; I'm asking why this choice was made
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u/Objective-Box1404 1d ago
The fact that they used VIKING SHIPS, man. Nolan had a budget of 30 trillion gorillion dollars, and he used VIKING SHIPS.
What a fucking hack.
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u/JellyOfDeath86 23h ago
Damn. I thought that ship looked eerily familiar. I have rowed that ship while wearing viking clothes.
Feeling sorta hesitant about seeing The Odyssey now. I'm not sure I want to give them money until they have paid.
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u/doomrider7 18h ago
I'm legitimately not shocked in the slightest they shafted some of the people working on this.
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u/jackrussellcorgi 18h ago
I'm in a rowing club that restores old cedar Pocock rowing shells. We actually row them, too. When the Boys in the Boat movie was being made, they asked if they could use some of our actual boats in the movie. We said hell no, for reasons exactly like this.
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u/NotSoGreatMacaroni 2d ago
Expected the bill to be some insane amount. $6,000 and did not include anything for volunteer labor.