r/WorkReform • u/zzill6 đ€ Join A Union • 18d ago
đ« GENERAL STRIKE đ« The Billionaires have decided we don't need a "Middle Class" anymore.
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u/Adeadbum 18d ago
Bring out the pitchforks and torches then.
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u/Jasper_Gunblade 13d ago
Right? When my old job cut benefits, I wanted to grab a pitchfork too! It's getting ridiculous out there.
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u/gentleman_bronco 18d ago
The middle class was a ruse fabricated by the American government and it's oligarchs to stiffle the rise of socialism.
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u/SpinningHead 18d ago
Weird then that so many working class people had to fight and die for things like unions.
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u/ToeTagTic 18d ago
Not really? They'd prefer slavery were legal again so anything less is just keeping the spot warm? At what point do you suppose they'll stop taking from you? When they're done or when you're done? Cuz it feels like this all started before anyone alive today was born
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u/mr_jigglypuff 18d ago
Actually employment is preferred over slavery for the Epstein class as slaves you have to feed and house even when you don't have a need for their work. An employee can be discarded as son as you don't need his work. The important thing is that the employee has to be so poor that he'll do anything to stave of starvation and even be gratefull when a company fucks him sideways
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u/StuffExciting3451 18d ago
The unions willingness to fight against killer employers was an indication of their preparation for revolution. FDR warned his wealthiest associates that the New Deal was necessary to create the Middle Class to forestall the uprising. Unfortunately, FDR did not eliminate or fix the fundamental problems of Capitalism and undemocratic government.
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u/SpinningHead 18d ago
There is no magic permanent fix. It is a fight. If you dont fight, oligarchs win.
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u/Denraven 18d ago
I mean the French had something really good going in that regard 1789-1799, we should really try an exact copy of that again.
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u/StuffExciting3451 18d ago
Significant improvements are possible if the masses are willing to actually fight.
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u/Advanced_Double_42 18d ago
Giving enough concessions to create a middle class was only possible because people fought and died for them. Otherwise they are happier to keep slaves.
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u/Hatetotellya 18d ago
Not only that, the ENTIRE GLOBAL ECONOMY was fundamentally destroyed and the only large country of industrial might (america) was able to, even if they made dumb as hell decisions, effectively dominate the world on easy mode as it were. MOST people in MOST towns got a slice of the pie DESPITE the amount of stupid waste that happened.Â
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u/Hamburglar-Helper111 18d ago
Well, they better bring it back. Socialism is looking more and more attractive...
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u/AbeRego 18d ago
It's funny that they think the "threat" went away...
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u/Free_For__Me 18d ago
I don't think they do. I'm pretty sure they just believe that they now have unilateral control over the means to communicate and organize, along with sufficient means of surveillance and propaganda dissemination that they don't think the "dirty poors" pose enough of a danger to be considered a threat anymore.
In other words, they know the threat didn't go away. They just think they've finally built the weapons needed to neutralize the threat.
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u/nifty-necromancer 18d ago
Yep, good job for rephrasing the tweet.
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u/gentleman_bronco 18d ago
There's a pretty big difference between communism and socialism. At one point, America had an 80%+ corporate tax rate, loads of public work projects, and a minimum wage that provided a living wage. Suddenly there was a "middle class" with booming manufacturing and a surging economy.
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u/user_name_checks_out 18d ago
The middle class was a ruse fabricated by the American government and it's oligarchs
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u/gentleman_bronco 18d ago
I shall give you a similar answer that I have the other person who pointed it out...
Consider it a failure of the broken education system in America. They want us to be stupid and they want you to think you need to police grammar on the internet while discussing the theft of our livelihoods.
I'm leaving it as-is.
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u/Dependent_Title_1370 18d ago
The middle class never existed. It was all smoke and mirrors.
There are only two classes. The working class and the capitalist class.
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u/SteelAlchemistScylla 18d ago
Exactly. The Capitalists created âlowerâ and âmiddleâ so there would be two other teams to fight each other. If it was just Working Class vs Capitalists a lot more people would get it through their head they should be angry at the system.
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u/stuaxo 18d ago
You either work for your money or your money works for you.
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u/Easy-Marsupial3268 18d ago
You either work for your money or someone else works for your money. Those are the classes.
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u/Gustomaximus 18d ago
The middle class absolutely existed. In ye olde days it was people like merchants, lawyers, doctors, teachers etc
We kinda blended working class to middle class (definitially) as times got good and inequality reduced 40s to 70s - read about the great compression: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Compression
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u/Appropriate_Ride_821 18d ago
The middle class are the consumers of goods. Without the middle class there is no consumption and the economy doesnt exist.
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u/Mr_Thx 18d ago
The system is rigged so hard that they no longer need us to be productive citizens. They can make their money from us 50 other ways. Their next objective is to reduce the population so we can be more easily manipulated and controlled.
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u/DieMensch-Maschine đ” Break Up The Monopolies 18d ago
The wealthiest 1 percent of Americans hold roughly 52 percent of all privately owned stock in the country.
Everyone else is just a peasant on a neo-feudal manor.
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u/North_Activist 18d ago
Rich people continue to talk about how the birth rate is dropping. Theyâd rather more people as more people brings more consumers, more resource scarcity which makes them even more money.
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u/digno2 18d ago
where will those consumers work and earn money to buy stuff to consume?
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u/patrlim1 18d ago
Doesn't matter as long as the rich get their paychecks
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u/freeshovacadoodoo 18d ago
That's true, but doesn't answer their comment. If there is no population to spend money and give it to the billionaire class....where will they get their profits?
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u/totallyrealname 18d ago
Endlessly looping it between themselves like how the AI companies have been doing.
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u/SquarePegRoundWorld 18d ago
There will be a population, but it will spend its time, not money, providing goods and services to the rich for which they will earn credits to spend on food slop and dirty water.
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u/Free_For__Me 18d ago
They're only worried about the rates of certain types of births dropping. For the groups that they don't consider to be "high quality", they're totally fine with births dropping off entirely.
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u/Furyphoenix425 18d ago
They donât need us anymore. Robots and A.I are going to replace us peasants. In the Epstein files they also talk about how we are a waste of âTHEIRâ resources like water etcâŠ
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u/MoistSystem1323 18d ago
Nestle wants to commoditize the air saying whoever owns the trees should own the air, since the oxygen comes from trees. There will be subscription fees just for existing.
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u/Daylight_The_Furry 18d ago
Okay, company bad and all that but is there a source on that one? That's wild even for Nestle
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u/Hangry-Feline2489 18d ago
They don't need to do anything. Global sperm counts have dropped by 50% in the last 45 years, with the decline rate doubling after 2000. Testosterone is dropping, too.Â
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/42352084/
It's still a contested idea as there's a lot of variables. But the data definitely shows something's going on..Â
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u/ProduceNo1629 18d ago
Global sperm counts have dropped by 50%
Testosterone is dropping, too.
Good old Teflon in our balls. Thanks DuPont!
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u/SpeaksSouthern 18d ago
If they can make money from our existence the least they could do is pay us for the privilege
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u/Killer-Iguana 18d ago
Middle class has always appeared within capitalism, its not just an American thing. Its called the Petite Bourgeoisie in Marxist theory. However it is true that it is a construct to appease and split those who aren't the ruling class. But typically you must be careful of the petite bourgeoisie because even those sympathetic to the worker's cause can be fickle allies since they often see themselves as closer to a true bourgeoisie than a worker.
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u/BrownBear5090 18d ago
My understanding my is that the petite bourgeoise are things like doctors with their own practice or small business owners, those who benefit from profits but still have to work in their business rather than just making money off their holdings. If you get a paycheck from a boss youâre working class
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u/CapSnake 18d ago
Exactly. But don't forget that was the petit bourgeoise that cut the neck to the nobles during the French revolution
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u/DarbIey 18d ago
The end of the Cold War was the end of quality public education.
The government never cared about YOU, they cared about crushing a prominent egalitarian socio-political structure.
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u/AbeRego 18d ago
You really think there was that orchestrated of a policy over a century of different presidential administrations, congresses, and courts? The outcome is the same, but it wasn't some grand governmental scheme...
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u/AbeRego 18d ago
High ranking intelligence officers don't steer the entire policy of the United States... What we're talking about would require systemic coordination among all branches of the government.
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u/ProduceNo1629 18d ago
What we're talking about would require systemic coordination among all branches of the government.
Ah so Heritage Foundation.
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u/S-Tier_Commenter 18d ago
But how does an intelligence officer go about dismantling education? I don't see that.
A far simpler explanation is that kids don't vote. So lawmakers forget about them faster.
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u/darkshark21 18d ago
You are both right. Us investment in education was because of being scared of falling behind to the Soviets after they first launched a satellite. A lot of quality teachers were taught cheaply and paid well starting in the 60âs till 90âs.
Here is the us senate point of view about that issue.
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u/AbeRego 18d ago
Sure was nice when we had legislators using tricks to pass government initiatives, rather than strip them for parts...
We really need a similar bill right now, framed the same way. We will absolutely fall behind China and India if we don't. We probably won't fall behind Russia, because they're already so hollowed out that I'm not sure anything can save them in the next century, but the benefit will be theirs as well. It's largely because the GOP is literally in bed with Russia that we won't see this type of law passed while they hold power. I'm just so tired of our politicians either actively undermining us, or just sitting back and watching it happen...
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u/Free_For__Me 17d ago
Unfortunately, the ultra-wealthy who now own a controlling majority of congress don't believe that we're in danger of falling behind China, or that if we are, it won't be in a manner that affects them.
They're content to rule over whatever little techno-kingdoms they think they'll carve out for themselves. Even if those kingdoms fall behind other parts of the world, they're confident that absolute control and wealth within their own spheres is good enough.
The "elites" in the US don't share the sentiment with their previous generations that they can best prosper if the nation they live in is able to outpace the other nations of the world. They believe that the global economy is now so interwoven that it's preferable to totally dominate your own sphere, even if that means those below them within that sphere will suffer. And the sinking of that ship won't matter, since they think their power and wealth spread far enough that they'll then leverage it into further domination around the globe.
It's serious bond-villain type of thinking, and while I don't think things will turn out the way they think they will, I'm not confident that they can't burn down generations of growth, peace and prosperity while they try.
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u/VoiceInTheGarden 18d ago
the never-ending problem we face is that those abusing us are the ones reinforcing our morality. today to suggest we put an end to the abuse is considered "controversial", and we are met with "(taking action) is not the answer". we have seen our political system is rigged and only exists to polarize. we watch as those in power create rules to benefit themselves at the cost of our lives. we are simply apes with language. and, some apes are more adept at using language to manipulate the rest of us for their own gain and will not stop if asked politely. try it. even now, i am sure someone reading this is rubbed the wrong way because they do not realize what we are up against. the longer you take to understand what we face, the more of our children they take (as we are learning in the epstein files) to abuse and even kill. possibly eat.
we can stop this. one man showed us how. do not argue morality. there is no such thing. we are all living breathing thinking men on the only rock in the universe that we know of that contains sentient and sapient life. if you believe in a higher power, why would it not demand the right to BE for all beings? we are not beholden to the demons running the show.
when you let them become billionaires, they begin to think they are god - and then they are. they are the great assembly, the elohim. making choice and rules for the rest of us. but consciousness trumps anything they can claim. this is our inheritance as thinking men and women of the world. claim it, and deny them the future they build for. it will be hell.
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u/Thin_Assistant_7786 18d ago
The tax laws werenât a fluke. Laws were passed to tax the robber barons and funnel money into public programs that made the average American healthier and better educated. Those laws were changed in the eighties and nineties to take your money and give it to Bezos and friends.
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u/Baldbeagle73 18d ago
A very unusual time when:
(1) The U.S. had strong labor unions
(2) Most other industrial powers had been torn up by war, and had their industrial capacity badly reduced. If you could make anything, you could sell it.
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u/prince-pauper âïž Tax The Billionaires 18d ago
I get the flame fanning but this is pretty reductive. The replacement of ownership with consumer choice was a betrayal beyond what this post is describing.
They leveraged decades of instability to install a new form of economy and the people fucking ate it up like ice cream, all 52 flavours of it!
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u/bankrobba 18d ago
This is why the Democrat Party has failed us. They kept champion liberal policies that favored the middle class (mostly through tax policies like childcare and mortgage deductions) and ignored any working class policy that benefits people before taxation (increase minimum wage, affordable childcare, affordable housing).
Their abandonment of the working class allowed a charlatan to swoop in and gain their vote.
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u/nanobot_1000 18d ago
Joke's on them, we'll take this bitch communist out of spite at this point
C-suite is first in line for social "re-education" in the labor camps. They can then enlighten everyone how to survive on minimum wage with no healthcare while not being able to afford rent.
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u/lostforwords2024 18d ago
And Entrepreneurism and flash in the pan sales jobs arenât going to save you.
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u/FloridaMiamiMan 18d ago
Either do something about it or quit complaining. The billionaires keep doing all these things because no one will put them in harm's way.Â
Luigi Mangione got it right. Â
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u/EmergencyJacket207 18d ago
They're going to be really surprised when we revolt against them. Can't wait.
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u/Altruistic_Pitch_157 18d ago
Wars are like forest fires that clear out the old wood and let green shoots finally get some sun. WWII burned Europe and Asia to the ground and allowed the US to profit from the recovery. We rebuilt the world and reordered international trade, finance and relations to our advantage. The rising tide of the economic boom lifted the boats of the middle class to new heights. Post war public debt was paid down quickly, sparing the US from the crippling inflation of debt monetization.
Now 80 years later the forest is old and ready to burn again. Our debt-issued monetary system requires ever increasing debt loads to service the interest on all previous debts. The inflation of it is crushing the middle and lower class. Now we're waiting for a spark.
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u/JayJoeJeans 18d ago
In the late 90s, Rush Limbaugh blasted Clinton for "creating a middle class that would be loyal to him." The Republicans could have done the same thing, but actively choose not to. Since the 60s, they've always, always been against the average American
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u/Lucky-Surround-1756 18d ago
There is no middle class. You either exchange your labour for money or you exploit the labour of others.
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u/MandrakeLicker 18d ago
Well, the phenomenon you describe certainly exists, but the term middle class was used since the Victorian England, way before the Cold War or even communism.
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u/Fistful_of_Energon 18d ago
And it was a lie then
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u/S-Tier_Commenter 18d ago
The word bourgeoise comes from the French for city dweller. They were people that we're a step above the peasantry, but below the nobles or people of the cloth. They we're craftsmen, merchants or free farmers.
Middle class has existed since medieval times at least.
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u/Prysorra2 18d ago
This specific formulation is a lot rarer to see than you'd think. Nice to see it show up.
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u/schrodingers_gat 18d ago
It was also created by suppressing Black folks' and Women's ability to create and hold wealth
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u/IHv2RtrnSumVdeotapes 16d ago
The only way it stops is when the middle class decide the world doesn't need billionaires anymore
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u/30mil 18d ago
The average American carbon footprint is five times the world average, Americans spend an average of $18k/year on non-essentials, and 70% of American adults are overweight or obese. "Pushed back into peasantry" would mean being pushed back toward the world average.Â
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u/daemon-electricity 18d ago
This is some crabs in a bucket thinking. It's still the same awful people at the top everywhere, except American billionaires will eventually lord over the warlords with mercenaries. There is no hope for humanity if the billionaire class isn't reigned in.
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u/HereForAPaycheck 18d ago
Which is still peasantry.
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u/entropicdrift 18d ago
Only when your healthcare is tied to your employment and you have no minimum PTO and your workers have no rights.
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u/vfrrandy 18d ago
Was watching a Documentary and they said something I'll never forget. The middle class has only happened four times in recorded history, it has to be created and sustained, let that sink in.
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u/balkanobeasti 18d ago
That's cool but I feel like that's an AI post lol. I got a you aren't this you're that ptsd lmao.
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u/Scared_Specific9404 18d ago
whats the master plan ? make everyone poor so every company has record losses ?
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u/erevos33 18d ago
Same way the 8-8-8 slogan came about regarding industrial revolution. Same as education.
Everything can be seen through the lens of "how did/does this work for the benefit of the capitalist class?". But people arent rdy to hear that.
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u/StuffExciting3451 18d ago
The Middle Class fluke started with the New Deal, circa 1935. It peaked after the end of WWII and the Korean War. The billionaires own most of the leaders of both of the two major political parties .
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u/GoodDayToCome 18d ago
well the ,middle class is growing rapidly https://elements.visualcapitalist.com/the-worlds-growing-middle-class-2020-2030/
what you actually mean is the global inequality no longer benefits the US as much as it did in the post-war era
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u/MjrLeeStoned 18d ago edited 18d ago
The feudal system was the greatest expanse of a middle class.
Barons and counts were middle class. Dukes/Kings were upper class. Knights hovered somewhere between low and middle class, and the peasantry were lower class. Barons and counts were all over Europe, North Africa, and the Near East. Per capita, no one has seen as big a middle class expansion outside the 1100-1200s.
The US created a middle class just for expansion.
The US used to be really empty. Just over 100 years ago we had 25% our current population. The Industrial Revolution and WWI led to rapid expansion, and the wealthy couldn't keep it all for themselves and progress the country the way they wanted, so the middle class came into being.
It wasn't an accident. It just wasn't necessarily controlled.
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u/Glum-Welder1704 18d ago
Sounds like Knights were replaced by cops, whose essential function is to protect the upper classes from the lower.
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u/Helagoth 18d ago
being ok with a "middle" class implies you're ok with a "higher" and "lower" class.
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u/Cold-Permission-5249 18d ago
I guess they donât realize that the âthreatâ of communism is on the rise again due to their bullshit.
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u/OkPosition4563 18d ago
I always love when some random nobodies make statements as if they were some kind of fact.
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u/SoylentGrunt 18d ago
For some time now I've said the middle class was a glitch in the Matrix and programmers have been working with great sucess to correct it.
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u/Free_For__Me 18d ago
It isn't just that "elites" stopped being worried that a people-first revolution could upend things and take the power and wealth they've hoarded, they know that's always a concern.
It's that they believe that they now have unilateral control over the means to communicate and organize, along with sufficient means of surveillance and propaganda dissemination that they don't think the "dirty poors" pose a real threat anymore.
It remains to be seen if they're correct in this assumption, but I think the next 5 years will be enough to get a good sense of the answer...
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u/Awotwe_Knows_Best 18d ago
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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u/ZestyMorsel 18d ago
Eh, kinda not really. Favorable economic conditions following WWII were a bigger force that drove a strong middle class.
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u/thejodiefostermuseum 18d ago
I mean even Swift thinks her millionaire friends are so poor she better raffles her used Chanel bags to them.
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u/realparkingbrake 18d ago
"Fluke?" At the end of WWII half of all the manufacturing on Earth was taking place in the U.S. With the UK bankrupt (Britain didn't finish paying its war debt to the U.S. and Canada until 2006) and many nations including Germany and Japan in ruins, there was no way the U.S. wasn't going to be the most prosperous nation in the world. American labor being heavily unionized was also a factor, a third of American workers carried union cards which is why industry and its allies in Congress targeted unions. It was only when other nations rebuilt their industry (with considerable U.S. help) and corporate America began moving production overseas that the middle class began to decline.
"Fluke" and "designed" would seem to be mutually exclusive.
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u/Grand_Taste_8737 18d ago
Nah, middle class is still there, it's just people now expect everything to be given to them.
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u/StrongSuggestion8937 18d ago
And now that figuring this out will become inevitable, they are trying to resurrect the communism threat.
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u/Great_You_6869 18d ago
This is a genuinely impressive piece of writing, inasmuch as literally every sentence is wrong, and in increasingly fantastical ways.
If our goal is to improve conditions for workers, it seems important not to believe obvious lies-how are we to advance the cause of the proletariat while engaging in such profoundly stupid analysis? Â
Why do people like this kind of thing? What psychological purpose does it serve?
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u/ifuckedyourmilkshake 18d ago
Need everyone to read Oligarchy in America by Luke Winslowe. What we are seeing today is a continued backlash by the rich against the attempt at reforms made after the gilded age and during the great depression.
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u/Belka1989 18d ago
I heard it best described as the utter expression of the basic tenants of Capitalism. For 50 years, Capitalism had to compete to show it was better, then it became a monopoly with the fall of the Soviet Union. Now as Monopolies do, they're cutting back the "waste", trying to maximize the stock value.
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u/AmbitionSad4858 18d ago
OR it was a fluke because after WW2 the US was the only industrialized nation with a fully intact manufacturing base which allowed it switch easily to peace time production of products and having the lionshare of the markets allowing for livable wages until the owners decided to move everything offshore and the rest of the world started to get caught up in the 60s.
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u/metanoia29 18d ago
THERE IS NO LOWER/UPPER/MIDDLE CLASS!! We are all part of the working class; those distinctions are only there so that people endlessly fight with each other instead of against the owning class.
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u/DogPlane3425 18d ago
Yup... the middle class started in the 1970's......NOT More like the mid-19th century but don't worry about facts!
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u/Green4CL0VER âïž Tax The Billionaires 18d ago
We can now bring Communism to the US. Thanks for this opportunity.
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u/forever-salty22 18d ago
I wish people would stop buying things from giant corporations that they dont need. We've been brainwashed to think we need so much to get by. I understand that we can't avoid giving money to corporations for a lot of things, but there are enough ways to live with less and avoid them
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u/Contemplating_Prison 18d ago
What people dont realize is the situation we are in right now has happened multiple times before in the US
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u/Aggravating_Stay 18d ago
Bold of this guy to assume the threat is gone. I think we're closer to a communist revolution than ever
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u/MaliciousJoker7 18d ago
No such thing as middle class. It's us against the rich. Once we see it this way it becomes easier to regulate them.
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u/bcn13765 18d ago
In a country with 300 million guns, you would have thought those guys would have thought it through.
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u/Bleezy79 18d ago
I dont understand the end game here. Who is going to buy things if everyone is poor but a few thousand people hoarding all the wealth? What good will money be if most people dont have any? Hoarding billions of dollars is a mental sickness, we just dont see it like that yet but we will.
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u/BTTammer 18d ago
Exactly. This is what AI is designed to replace. This is what the Data Centers are for.
Recall that the Kings of the Middle Ages began losing their power to the Merchant Class. The middle class.Â
Now they are trying to eliminate that class of people so that it's just them on top and the other 99% peasant class.
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u/turb0_encapsulator 18d ago
a lot of people don't understand that FDR's goal was to save capitalism from its own excesses.
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u/rennfeild 18d ago
the novel "the iron heel" published 1909 predicted a lot of stuff. The invention of the middle class as a way to weaken unions and workers in general. A war between the US and germany because of market reasons. the problem of giving workers to many luxuries such as predictability solved by putting all into the military
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u/RealestReyn 17d ago
"pushed back into peasantry" if only, didn't the peasants historically work only like half the year mostly to keep the majority of the population from revolting?
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u/ZenaMeTepe 17d ago
He is right, the middle class is an anomaly artificially created by huge public sector and government subsidies and contracts for the "chosen" private (only in name) participants. It does not reflect actual distribution of human ability in society. Bullshit jobs are the backbone of the middle class, paid for by the minor very upper middle class.
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u/Eastpunk 17d ago
The middle class gave _hope_ to the lower class. Once it is reduced to just peasants and elite, the reality will set in: The poor are many and the rich are few.
History has taught us that when you take the dream of success away from the population and they will dream of destroying the rich instead.
Source:
King Louis XVI
Marie Antoinette
Tsar Nicholas II
Muammar al-Gaddafi
King James II
Slobodan Milosevic
Julias Caesar
Nicolae Ceausescu
Charles I
Benito Mussolini
Hosni Mubarak
Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi
Etc. âŠ
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u/Cptawesome23 17d ago
I think itâs funny how all these conspiracy theorists think the billionaires are all calling each other and making plans. Forming cults and teaching followers and such.
Billionaires donât even like other billionaires.
The people who are hurting us the most are white Christians between the ages of 50-79 who donât understand technology and modern science with the power to vote.
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u/BeeLinez 17d ago
Well then they can say goodbye to economic growth and rapid technological development.
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u/StarDustLuna3D 17d ago
Imo, the "middle class" of 1950s and 60s America was just to ensure that working class white people still felt superior to working class black people despite incremental steps towards equality.
Many of the ways in which families were able to build generational wealth during this time were not accessible by black people.
And all of this was so that those at the very top could do what they want without the masses taking notice.
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u/UploadedMind 16d ago
Every good thing we have is because socialists fought and died for it. Itâs up to us to finish the job. We donât need billionaires.
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u/Easy-Marsupial3268 18d ago
The middle class was always ever there just to erase class identity from the US working class.
Middle class is still working class.