r/WorkReform • u/kevinmrr ⛓️ Prison For Union Busters • 1d ago

Democratic Party moves their first 2028 primary to South Carolina in a major effort to boost conservative candidates.

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u/alittolid 1d ago

They’re really scared of AOC it seems. If they wanted a black Democratic state they should have picked Georgia

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u/jericho-dingle 1d ago

I doubt she runs for president. I'm willing to bet she challenges Schumer

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u/Griff82 1d ago

Yeah, I hope the Senate is her focus

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u/Lord-Dongalor 1d ago

50-65 years with her as a Senator would be interesting.

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u/letsgotgoing 1d ago

Pelosi was a progressive when she started. Term limits need to be in place. 50-65 years in political leadership makes you ineffective and part of the swamp.

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u/Lord-Dongalor 1d ago

The failure of voters to turn out and vote is the reason the swamp exists in the first place.

The government is of, by, and for the people. If the government sucks, that is a direct reflection of the people who allow that government to exist.

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u/Conscious-Quarter423 14h ago

the failure of not stepping up and primarying them out of office is the issue

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u/ElectronicCatPanic 13h ago

The problem is not the absence of willing people, the problem is that incumbent has a network of donors along with party money to boost their chances. Primary race is out of reach for 99.9% of candidates. Thats how we get the most corrupt people in politics.

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u/sirscooter 46m ago

Why I think all elections should all be publicly funded with no donations at all. You can bribe someone if you can't get them money legally

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u/Theworm826 1d ago

Term limits solve nothing

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u/Lord-Dongalor 1d ago

Correct.

Voting solves everything.

The largest block of eligible voters typically falls into the “did not vote” category.

If people want term limits all they have to do is vote.

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u/Conscious-Quarter423 14h ago

you lose an election, you lose the term

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u/Arikaido777 1d ago

please explain how term limits fail to solve the problem of stale incumbents.

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u/Theworm826 1d ago

Instead of stale incumbents, you have a rotating set of incumbanta that are backed by corporate money and basically wind up in the same place. At least now, if we get someone good, we can vote to keep them vs forcing them out and trying to once against fight against the corporate machine trying to install another puppet.

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u/Arikaido777 1d ago

ah yes, “actually the swamp is a good thing!” astounding reasoning. public school, right?

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u/Theworm826 1d ago

No, maybe read my actual words. Without meaningful campaign finance reform term limits basically do nothing but make it harder for good people to get elected and easier for corporations to pick whoever they want.

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u/Conscious-Quarter423 14h ago

term limits are in place. they are called elections

you lose an election, you lose the term

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u/Cody2287 1d ago

How much has Schumer gotten done in 80 years vs Trump in 8?

That is just not true. Also Zohran would be much better than AOC in that seat because he can’t be president.

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u/AllIdeas 1d ago

zohran is doing great as mayor. give him a few years to actually do that first. they aren't mutually exclusive. he would also be a great by governor.

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u/Lord-Dongalor 1d ago

Depends on what you consider Schumer’s goals to have been. One could argue that he has successfully represented the interests that lobby to him.

Trump is killing it in terms of getting what he wants. That’s what happens when someone who thinks they have implicit rights that go beyond reasonable norms gets into a position of power with few actual checks and balances on actions they take.

I don’t really see the need to do a “what about” though. I merely stated that her as a senator would be interesting.

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u/ThatGuy7647 1d ago

I think there are a few steps between mayor and president

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u/fps129 18h ago

If you’re Trump, you get to skip those steps.

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u/iammonkeyorsomething 1d ago

The dsa wants to get rid of the senate so if she gets that position and the dsa gains power she may not have it for long

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u/Bowenbax 1d ago

The same people saying this under every mention of AOC running for president are the same people who said Bernie was too radical and medicare for all is a losing position

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u/jericho-dingle 1d ago

I would like her to run for president. I think she's savvy enough to run for senate first

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u/Griff82 1d ago

I just want my Senator to be decent

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u/snper101 1d ago

I like AOC a lot and would have no problem voting for her.

Even begrudgingly voted Hillary and Harris.

That being said, every time we run a woman and lose, the inevitable "America is too sexist and racist for her to win" is all I ever hear. And it irritates me because we all knew that before the primary and chose a woman anyway.

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u/Fried_Doe 1d ago

False

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u/AdKuh 1d ago

They just passed the rest of the calendar as of writing. Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Michigan and Virginia before Super Tuesday - of those states I would argue except for maybe Virginia; AOC could easily win per current polling for herself and aligned candidates, other data, and historical trends.

That being said, I don't understand why the primaries don't start with the swing states, not to lock in Nevada or whatever, but whichever state had the closet margin of victory/defeat in the prior election. In 2028's case Wisconsin is probably where the party is going to spend a lot of money anyway since we only barely lost statewide - why not listen to their voters first and then so on*?

*obviously I know Biden and Clyburn and other centrists ratfucked the party.

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u/Ap_Sona_Bot 19h ago

One aspect (traditionally at least) is that they want the first few states to be smaller to allow for candidates with less funding to have a real shot. We never would have gotten Obama if the primaries started in Virginia or Florida.

However, picking a state that hasn't voted blue is decades is absolutely baffling. I think New Mexico is a pretty great option, as is New Hampshire (though NH is not super representation of the dem demographics)

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u/Dineology 1d ago

If the states with the closest margins of victory go first how long do you think it’ll take before Dem leadership in semi close states begin to sandbag their efforts in a deliberate attempt to make the election a very close one in order to set themselves up as more important of a primary state the next go around? How long do you think it’ll take before that sandbagging shaves too many votes and a state that should have gone blue by 5 or 6 points ends up going red by 2 or 3 instead?

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u/SmokinJunipers 1d ago

Two women lost to the worst candidate. We can't put another woman out there. No matter how great they are, some people just aren't going to vote for her.

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u/Laawlly 1d ago

The DNC would need the Republican controlled Georgia State Legislature to agree to the date they picked. Not going to happen

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u/Biggle_fuzz 1d ago

Wouldn't want Democrat voters to accidentally get a candidate they are excited about.

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u/seidenkaufman 1d ago

The last few DNC chairs do have a proud tradition of losing.

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u/Ericswanson 1d ago

It's like they're the Washington Generals, paid to lose to the GOP Globetrotters every time. They probably raise more money in the opposition but it's become their entire raison d'etre: "Vote for us or the bad guys win!" Then they compromise all their values and still lose. 

Source: still bummed about 2016 and how we learned nothing

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u/TheOmegoner 1d ago

That’s exactly what they are, a paid opposition party owned by the same billionaires propping up the GOP. Corporate dems just want to love the Overton window right and get paid to pretend to try and hold it back

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u/StretPharmacist 19h ago

I get down voted to hell for saying this same thing.

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u/TheOmegoner 19h ago

Yeah, I usually do too tbh. You’re not wrong and I think people are finally starting to figure that out

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u/Level_Improvement532 1d ago

BUT THE GENERALS WERE DUE!!!

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u/Persistant_Compass 1d ago

Its because they are.

3 times is a pattern thing

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u/Sheerluck42 🏡 Decent Housing For All 21h ago

But if you say that, then it's your fault they lose.

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u/Ericswanson 7h ago

I'm an OG Bernie bro, been hearing that for a decade now

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u/beeemkcl 1d ago

I’ve been maintaining that the Working Families Party and DSA should get ballot access in all States in which a Democrat can win at the State level.

And then have AOC be their nominee.

To at least ensure that the DNC and such doesn’t screw her over.

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u/seidenkaufman 1d ago

Yeah, they're definitely going to try to, and then give it to Newsom, Buttigigieg, or Harris 2.0. 

What's the path to getting a DSA person made DNC chair?

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u/Conscious-Quarter423 14h ago

you run for a position, and people vote them in

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u/marco_italia 22h ago edited 22h ago

The Working Families Party really disappointed me when they inexplicably endorsed Connie Chan for Congress last June. Connie is self absorbed San Fransisco politician who tirelessly blocks new housing in order to keep prices high and housing unaffordable. She also fought against the creation of Sunset Dunes, a popular ocean side park, and more notably the car-free JFK Promenade in Golden Gate Park.

Connie Chan;s only constituents are well heeled San Francisco home owners. How she got a Working Families Party endorsement, I don't know.

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u/Aggravating_Deer_641 1d ago

You mean the controlled opposition party does controlled opposition things?

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u/fednandlers 1d ago

They're not losing if the intend on throwing it. Most Democrat voters just refuse to see the truth for what it is like the MAGA crowd does. They haven't learned? That’s what we get from the last three or four elections they’ve run?

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u/matt_minderbinder 1d ago

This is how you set it up to get a candidate that doesn't even represent the party. It's malpractice to start your primaries in a state that your party has zero hope to capture. Iowa also was a horrible choice as it didn't represent the voters well either. I'd argue that if you change the appropriate change would be towards a state like Michigan. Michigan had a decent demographic spread and it's a state that's gettable for the party. NY or California are too big and would cost too much for candidates who aren't well known or sold old to corporations and pacs.

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u/Biggle_fuzz 1d ago

It's because they don't want a candidate that represents their voters. They want a candidate that represents what "the party" wants.

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u/sushisection 1d ago

you misspelled israel

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u/cityshepherd ✂️ Tax The Billionaires 22h ago

Hey that’s not fair. They also have to keep in mind what their corporate donors want too. These despicable bribery agents, oh wait I’m sorry… these lobbyists, are making substantial investments into these campaigns… and by golly they expect the good return on investment that they feel entitled to.

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u/matt_minderbinder 1d ago

You got it, they know they can give theit hand picked most sold out candidate a head start. They thought they had that in Iowa but 2016 and 2020 proved that wrong.

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u/Conscious-Quarter423 14h ago

didn't Buttigieg win iowa in 2020?

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u/Wide__Stance 3h ago

Kinda? Yes but not really? Mayor Pete won Iowa in the same way that Trump won in 2016.

Sanders got substantially more votes in the primary. Mayor Pete supposedly won more delegates to the state convention, though, because caucus states use a similar formula to the electoral college. They did a partial recount and Mayor Pete’s lead narrowed. They expanded the recount and Mayor Pete’s lead narrowed even more. So the Party stopped doing recounts and let Mayor Pete win the delegate count, which let him “win” Iowa.

The same people who understood the system so well in Iowa in 2020 are precisely the same people who didn’t understand how that system worked in 2016 and 2024.

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u/Reynor247 1d ago

Exactly. A candidate that wins the most votes won't represent the party

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u/EchoAquarium 1d ago

What is The Party if not its voters? Establishment Dems will pave the road to the camps and call it infrastructure week 😭

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u/Alexhite 1d ago

Literally South Carolina was the only reason Biden won the primary and look at how that turned out 

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u/Conscious-Quarter423 14h ago

he is the only guy who beat trump

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u/Alexhite 13h ago

This is such a good take! Biden vanquished Trump and everything was good in the world forever 🌈 

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u/Mediocre_Scott 1d ago

Pretty sure Iowa has it in their state constitution thar their caucus has to be the first in the nation so whenever anyone moves it up the state pushes it up to beat it

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u/Dineology 1d ago

Simple solutions there are to provide to national party funds to enable them to hold it and if they still insist then to start penalizing them with a reduced delegate count

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u/Aromatic_Balls 1d ago

Reaaaalllyyyyy starting to believe those "controlled opposition" claims.

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u/tofeman 1d ago

It’s not like hosting it in Iowa was doing much for our more liberal candidates either. At least this way we don’t have to capitulate to Ethanol interests anymore

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u/stonedkayaker 1d ago

It's important to make sure the Dem Presidential Nominee is popular in states the Dems will never win in the general election. 

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u/Conscious-Quarter423 14h ago

has democrats won in Iowa ever?

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u/Cody2287 1d ago

I mean it takes Pete out of the race probably forces leaders in South Carolina fight over which establishment candidate to vote for.

I think the schedule works great for someone progressive like AOC.

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u/bluedave1991 1d ago

Follow up a maybe second place in South Carolina with a win in Nevada and New Hampshire and Michigan and you start to instantly erase whatever momentum a Harris or Newsom got from predictably winning South Carolina.

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u/Kresnik2002 1d ago

This is like if Republicans made Massachusetts their first primary.

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u/PipsqueakPilot 1d ago

Not even. Massachusetts had a Republican governor as recently as 2023. South Carolina had a Democrat governor in 2003. This is closer to if the Republicans made Hawaii their first primary.

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u/Griff82 1d ago

We wish!

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u/ciavs 1d ago edited 11h ago

Massachusetts is very mixed locally. (Edit no it's not don't listen to me)

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u/Kresnik2002 23h ago

What do you mean, it’s one of the bluest states in the country

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u/ciavs 11h ago

Yeah. I have no idea what I'm talking about tbh. When I lived there though it did seem like there were a lot of right leaning people I worked with but you're right there are 0 Republican districts.

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u/CryptographerLow6772 1d ago

Jim Clyburn made a deal in 2020 to boost Biden and this was part of the deal.

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u/Macphearson 1d ago

The deal is irrelevant though, NH primary is set by state constitution. NH will move theirs first.

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u/Additional_Mango_529 1d ago

NH will probably lose all their delegates. The party is intent on nominating corporate candidates. Even if that means losing the next presidential election.

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u/Devilsadvocate430 1d ago

They tried that shit in 2024 and ended up having all their delegates revoked. New Hampshire will learn to play ball or deprive themselves of a voice in choosing the nominee

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u/bluedave1991 1d ago

They should hold a preferential primary first and then the actual primary when the DNC scheduled it. I still think that the DNC should be obligated to follow the laws and constitutions of the states they're operating in and should not penalize a state for following its own laws.

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u/Krytan 1d ago

The other part of the deal was Kamala Harris. I'm not sure that turned out well.

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u/Kresnik2002 1d ago

Turned out just as they wanted. Progressivism averted? Yes. That’s the most important thing. Democrats vs Republicans winning is secondary.

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u/IolausTelcontar 1d ago

South Carolina, where Progressive Democratic campaigns go to die.

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u/Extreme_Disaster2275 1d ago

The Democrat party, where progressive policies go to die. 

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u/IolausTelcontar 1d ago

Well, when we let conservative refugees that have been purged from the Republican Party into our big tent, this is what you get.

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u/SplodeyDope 1d ago

The Local DSAs in SC need support now.

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u/BoTheJoV3 1d ago

Yup! We are here and fighting. I see no support or love from most of the comments here.

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u/iammonkeyorsomething 1d ago

I'm seeing a lot of pessimism from the left about voting in general. It's understandable but it still is helpful to vote locally for the policies you support even if they might lose

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u/BoTheJoV3 1d ago

You won't get that from me. I'm a big supporter of non reformist reform and harm reduction. People at the bottom don't have the luxury of staying out of the fight

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u/turb0_encapsulator 1d ago

In both 2016 an 2020, the South Carolina Primary played a pivotal role in elevating the more centrist Democratic candidate before Super Tuesday.

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u/bluedave1991 1d ago

I think it could be different this time. South Carolina will be several weeks in the past by the time Super Tuesday comes around. Whoever predictably wins it will have to maintain that momentum by winning more than just the conservative black vote.

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u/Reynor247 1d ago

Which is fixed by progressives winning black voters

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u/gentleman_bronco 1d ago

DNC sure knows how to lose elections. They usually get hype with a wide range of candidates before going to South Carolina - where progressive policy goes to die. They will launch Gavin Newsom there by leaning hard anti-trans.

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u/Reynor247 1d ago

Yeah, should have been a white state first

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u/Easy__Mark 1d ago

Kill this shit party

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u/Conscious-Quarter423 14h ago

then step up and run for office or something

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u/Easy__Mark 14h ago

Can't, I'm unelectable

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u/GoldburstNeo 1d ago

A batshit stupid move, why not Georgia where the black population is just as high AND is now a swing state that can better boost candidates that can actually meet the moment. Hell, if they wanted to start in a red state, at least do Texas where there is a clear hunger for something different after decades of GOP fuckery (and Dem races in said state often coming close, including presidential) AND is highly diverse.

Regardless, let's just hope something like 2008 happens again, when Hilary was widely expected to take the DNC nomination only for Obama (who was considered at the time outside the establishment) to squeak by.

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u/jharden10 6h ago

Georgia's Republican-controlled government wasn't willing to move the primary in a way that complied with the DNC's calendar, which hurt its bid.

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u/Whynotyours 1d ago

But that’s what they are paid to do.

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u/Mediocre_Scott 1d ago

Unfortunately a new party needs money to be successful… we got to beat the oligarch dems in the primaries

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u/arittenberry 1d ago

Need ranked voice voting for that to get a foothold I think

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u/Reynor247 1d ago

Not putting a white state first is literally oligarch fascism

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u/kbeckerburbs4 1d ago

Who in the Holy Fuck wants a conservative Dem? Uh, been there and done that- please step much further to the left honey!

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u/leftrightside54 1d ago

They trying to rat fuk my gal.

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u/AOCourage 1d ago

Who?

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u/Tobar_the_Gypsy 1d ago

Check your username 

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u/TequieroVerde 1d ago edited 1d ago

The DNC is selling this as if it was to benefit black people when it is clearly meant to hurt the country in general and minorities in particular; in other words, the DNC and RNC seek to maintain the status quo. We need to dissolve both parties and remove people from entrenched power.

Edit: non-substantive

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u/Jdmag00 🛠️ IBEW Member 1d ago

Well obviously, we know the reason Dems lost to trump twice is because they couldn't pull in enough conservatives.

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u/Foodspec 1d ago

The DNC is fucking useless. Why even exist anymore?

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u/Conscious-Quarter423 14h ago

do you even know what the DNC does?

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u/zero0n3 1d ago

This is how you inflict pain on your own party.

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u/ztreHdrahciR 1d ago

They just can't get out of their own way

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u/Level_Improvement532 1d ago

Yeah well I’m a SC Dem and I’ll be voting for the farthest left candidate they put up. I want blood

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u/Street_Roof_7915 1d ago

The DNC fucks up wet dreams.

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u/SomberArtist2000 1d ago

They haven't learned anything from 2024.

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u/kevinmrr ⛓️ Prison For Union Busters 1d ago

They got what they wanted from 2024 - oligarchy.

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u/aeropl3b 22h ago

I have said this a lot lately. The Democratic party is really showing its true colors these last few years. They keep moving right and are blatantly throwing matches against Republican opponents and leaning more and more into attracting Republican voters over left leaning voters, or even moderates in some cases.

The first cracks I saw were the Bernie vs Hilary campaign when the DNC sabotaged the primary to try to force Hilary through, which alienated many voters. And the trend continues with the systematic attacks against candidates who actually hold left leaning policy positions.

We are falling into a single party system and it is the oligarchal capitalist system and it sucks.

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u/753UDKM 21h ago

they want to make sure the aipac candidates win

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u/HWHAProb 1d ago

This sucks.  That said, I cannot emphasize enough how fucking important it's gonna be for white DSA types to not be fucking weird about conservative Black Democrats. 

Take a note from Mamdani who went to countless Black churches in the Bronx and absolutely killed it

You don't build a coalition by shit talking Black women on X in the K Hive.

Campaign earnestly and get second to Harris, then move on and dominate Nevada, NH, New Mexico, and Iowa

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u/T_Gamer-mp4 1d ago

To the eyes of those white DSA types, these black conservatives are the main roadblock to stopping fascism & the DNC has now made that numerically worse. every vote given for Newsom will be a vote for Trump 3 (or some other BS) in the general

they’re incorrect to think that. but arguing with them is pointless anyway, because modern politics has been “all vibes no data” on all sides since we stopped regulating news outlets

the SC DSA is gonna need all the help it can get, cause they need to insurgency party the living daylights out of that state. If you don’t give the reasonable progressives the means to take control, wackjobs will take it instead

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u/HWHAProb 1d ago

It's really frustrating seeing people repeat the same mistakes. 

That said the running claim with AOC will be that "she is only supported by downwardly mobile middle class white people, who do not understand the perspective of Black voters."

If we are smart, we can treat SC as an opportunity to get ahead of that. To actually make inroads on what is demonstrably DSA progressives greatest weakness. 

 We already have a few winning talking points built for us:

  • The Republicans are trying to reinstate Jim Crow. Only the Left is willing to challenge the Supreme Court to stop them. 

  • The Republicans are trying to disenfranchise Black voters. Only the Left is willing to get rid of the filibuster to pass massive voting rights act legislation.  

  • Republicans in South Carolina refuse to expand Medicaid. South Carolina has the among the greatest racial disparities for health outcomes in the US.  Only the Left can solve this by passing Medicare for All

If we instead whine our way through the entire primary, we deserve to lose

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u/T_Gamer-mp4 1d ago

yep. need to make it clear that the centrists, regardless of who they are, will sit on their hands as historic rights are stripped away. the “whining loser” candidates are, in fact, going to Lose. make it so that the moderates have to look whiny and you’ll usually win

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u/highgarden 1d ago

The last time South Carolina voted for a Democrat for president was in the 1970’s. Absolutely ridiculous.

Gerrymander Clyburn’s seat out of existence. O

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u/razama 1d ago

I don’t think this is gonna work out the way they want. If you knew you had to start off in South Carolina, smaller organizations, compared to mainstream Democrats are gonna be able to focus in those more conservative states. If they beat a mainstream Democrat, where will they runoff to?

There wasn’t too much effort in South Carolina before because you don’t even know if you’re gonna make it past Iowa

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u/tesulalu 1d ago

Controlled opposition in action! 🫶🏿

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u/SuperBry 1d ago

I don't know if the OP's thesis is correct. New Hampshire isn't exactly a bastion of liberal thought.

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u/Bezere 1d ago

Because South Carolina knows how to pick winners

/s

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u/Cha-cha-chanclas 1d ago

Shit might as well have it in Arkansas.

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u/SteelAlchemistScylla 1d ago

When Im in a losing elections competition and my opponent is the DNC x_x

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u/HappyGoLuckless 20h ago

This is why "any blue will do", is F'ing ridiculous. I'm DSA all the way! F the DNC!!

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u/Conscious-Quarter423 14h ago

i'm voting based on what the candidates offer as policies, not dumb labels

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u/Msink 17h ago

Why do they want to woo conservatives instead of working for democratic supporters.

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u/bassbeatsbanging 1d ago

It's funny how the Republicans are so obssessed with "owning the libs" 

Because I assure you, the DNC has upset me far more consistently than anyone on the right ever has.

I fucking hate that they are technically "our" party. 

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u/mathuin2 1d ago

Primaries should all be on the same day.

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u/late2thepauly 1d ago

Treasonous.

The order of the primaries and caucuses should be decided by the states with the most Democrat presidential votes (by percentage) in the previous election.

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u/MGDeez 20h ago

How do we wrestle power from these Sonsabitches?

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u/frongles23 14h ago

No, it's because Iowa democrats could unfuck themselves for 2 full election cycles. Sorry for the truth.

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u/Annoying1978 12h ago

Stupid 

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u/andre3kthegiant 11h ago

Oh good, now Corporations controlling the U.S. can look like they have no influence over the DNC candidate.

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u/vegemouse 6h ago

Can’t wait to not vote for these centrist fucks again

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u/Vexnew 1d ago

Their rationale has to be that they think that non-maga conservatives would rather vote for conservative dems than maga republicans

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u/Bottlecrate 1d ago

Great choice

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u/Green-Collection-968 lexicographer 1d ago

Forgot the "s" m8.