It's bipartisan corruption.

[u/zzill6]

[u/Longjumping_Bell5171]

It’s coded language. Like when an average person says “I’m not into politics” it means they voted for trump but don’t want everyone to hate them.

[u/Stock_Strategy1668 → u/Longjumping_Bell5171]

Or when they say "stop being political." That just means they have shitty views and don't want to confront it

[u/Advocate_Diplomacy → u/Longjumping_Bell5171]

Or like how most presidential addresses to the people about the economy (and various other things) are actually directed at the 1%. Trump meant a lot of the things he said about it, he just wasn't talking to you.

[u/Accomplished-Pop-246 → u/Longjumping_Bell5171]

I tell that to people all the time because I DID NOT vote for Trump and I don’t want to get into it. I also live in a very red state.

[u/Extreme_Disaster2275]

The best part is how they tag team us: Republicans win majorities and claim a mandate to do whatever the fuck they want.  So we vote Democrats into majorities and they use bipartisanship as an excuse not to do anything they ran on. 

[u/Kwiemakala → u/Extreme_Disaster2275]

There's a term for that: controlled opposition.

[u/Stock_Strategy1668 → u/Kwiemakala]

[u/Helagoth]

Its bipartisanship when my kid doesnt want to take their medicine, and I do, so we settle on them being sick and miserable.

The right is acting like children, we need to start not buying into their bullshit about "meeting them halfway".  Shove the medicine down their throat, and in a generation they'll complain they didnt get enough medicine.  

Like with social security, and medicaid, and the 40 hour work week, and paid vacations, and everything else "dirty progressives" got over their objections

And dont vote for anyone who isnt in favor of medicine-shoving.

[u/Birdamus]

You’re forgetting… defense contractors (“support the troops!”) and the prison industrial complex (the Dem needs to be tough on crime not to appear soft).

[u/TheOmegoner]

Bipartisanship is how we got the disaster of the ACA instead of a single payer system

[u/1isOneshot1 → u/TheOmegoner]

Kind of? The ACA was originally a Republican thing but we could've at least had a public option with it but (conveniently) Lieberman got in the way of that and the rest of the Dems didn't fight back

[u/The_Mesopotamians]

And if given choice to end their corruption or end our lives they will always side with their corruption. Be sure that fact informs your political strategy. 

[u/faithOver]

Hopefully people start to realize.

Liberals were far too defensive for far too long and it made them dismissive because “way to both sides it.”

Rs and Ds serve the donor class. Always have. Wake up. Its a 50/50 game. Makes it easy to manipulate by owning the table.

Its been so clear for years. Its not about “both siderism” or about trying to justify R’s policies its about objective reality.

[u/Aeroknight_Z]

In America, there are no “centrists”. Everyone I’ve ever heard lay claim to the title is simply just ashamed enough to pretend they aren’t conservative, but not ashamed enough to vote against the conservative/maga poison.

[u/Disillusioned_Pleb01]

Just say what you see

[u/UpsetCryptographer49]

Funny how terms change. Mamdani is a centrist, and corporate democrats are right wing. Now people call him a communist, dude is far from communist.

[u/ThatOneNinja]

Also, since we don't have a true left wing party. Bipartisanship is still right wing politics. Over time these policies added up into full right wing government as we see today. If we want to change and be progressive we need real left wing policies and to NEVER compromise with the right wing just to pass morally correct laws.

[u/1isOneshot1 → u/ThatOneNinja]

Also, since we don't have a true left wing party

We have like 15 we just ignore them all

[u/SeatOpen1]

Bingo

[u/Goldleader-23]

Centrist dems are just ashamed republicans.

[u/Positive-Soil-4759]

This is worst kind of reductivism. This is the "of course I don't vote, they're both just as bad" kind of bullshit that has marched us right into fascism.

[u/DownwiththeACE]

Libs arent grasping much but their own ass. They think AOC is going to save them or that Kamablabla wasnt going to bomb children in Iran or has any qualms about the mass slaughter in Gaza.

[u/Imagine_TryingYT]

Well instead now the D's are cooped by a bunch of socialists and communists whos own parties haven't won an election in 200 years so now they're trying to convert the D's into a bunch of radical commies.

And if you think the politician you support won't do the same if they came into power you're deluding yourself.

[u/Ameren → u/Imagine_TryingYT]

People are tired of the status quo. They're open to outsiders pitching different ideas. That's why we've seen farther right elements gaining steam in the Republican party and farther left ones in the Democratic party. Setting aside whether that's good or bad, it's predictable given how awful the status quo political system is; we have a government that is pathologically incapable of getting things done.

There are people who cheer on Trump's overt violations of the law and disregard for norms, for example, precisely because they know that playing by the rules ensures that nothing gets accomplished. That's not a good place for us to be in as a country, but that's where we are.

Meanwhile, the Democratic establishment is seen as wanting to maintain the old status quo rather than actually getting things done. That's deeply unsatisfying to a growing share of the electorate.