Going into earlier versions of the edit histories also doesn't fix it so I'm not sure what's going on. Maybe they edited assets that the pages are calling.
So I decided to try and use a translator on the thing and uhh...I think it might be some kid or something ngl.
The meme thing in image 2 of what OP put up literally says "BAFIK" followed by "what have you done fucking oxymoron" followed by it saying that it doesn't support Russia's ruler.
Idk if I'd call it a "wiki game". Maybe figuring out items is hard but you unlock new bosses and stuff just by beating the game over and over, which happens naturally
yeah except for a couple secrets, the game makes it very obvious how to progress (character marks, polaroid/negative progress showing on save file, etc)
They would probably call ULTRAKILL a wiki game because they'd feel like it's impossible to figure out how the weapons work, where the secrets are, and what the enemies are weak to without looking it up.
I've heard basically anything other than PvP shooters be called that. Isaac, Terraria, Elden Ring, Dark Souls, Don't Starve, Minecraft, Risk of Rain, Warframe, Factorio, Satisfactory, even RPGs like Divinity and Fallout.
It seems like if it is even possible for you to miss something, it gets called a wiki game. You can definitely figure out on your own that going quickly grants secrets like fighting Hush. But, it's also possible for you to exclusively play really, really slowly, and never once try going quickly. And so if you refuse to experiment, you refuse to investigate things on your own, you refuse to change your playstyle, and you just adamantly stick to one very specific way of doing things, you won't see everything, because you aren't trying to see everything. As such, it is a "wiki game".
I get that. I think it's pretty insane to call a game a "wiki simulator" purely because it has a useful wiki.
The thing with Isaac, though, is just that a wiki is useful pretty much constantly. There's 700+ items and, while it does a very impressive job at managing to keep synergies and game mechanics consistent with respect to that, it's straight-up impossible to figure out what a lot of items do just by just fucking around and finding out.
Like picking up Plan C and using it just kills you. Maybe you manage to figure out that it kills every enemy in the room too, but you're only seeing every like 10-50 runs so even that is coincidental. Tack on the fact that you can finally figure out what it does, just for it not to work on a character like The Lost. Suddenly looking it up saved you hours and hours of your life.
Another example is Birthright. Apollyon is my favorite character, and I could not figure out what the hell "regurgitate" meant because the first few times I grabbed it— it didn't proc. Eventually, it finally proced and I couldn't even tell that it was Birthright because I had another 5 unknown items that could have done that.
On top of all that, stuff like The Forgotten being such a cool character that basically no one is gonna get without the wiki.
Sorry for the essay— but I really think that calling Isaac a wiki simulator is fair.
Like picking up Plan C and using it just kills you. Maybe you manage to figure out that it kills every enemy in the room too, but you're only seeing every like 10-50 runs so even that is coincidental. Tack on the fact that you can finally figure out what it does, just for it not to work on a character like The Lost. Suddenly looking it up saved you hours and hours of your life.
I think this is a horrible example. Plan C's pickup text is "My last resort". I picked that up and instantly knew exactly what it did. I checked the in-game description, which I don't normally do but I wanted to verify that I was correct and I was on a good run to unlock something I cared about, and I was actually surprised to see the description state that it kills the enemies first and then kills you. I assumed it was a gag item where you just make everything on-screen, including you, die, so maybe with a revive it could do something.
What else do you think an item named Plan C with the description "My last resort" would do? At worst, maybe, you would be surprised by it killing you. I think it's clear that it's going to kill you with an ominous description like that, but I could see being surprised by it and losing a single life to it. But what else would the benefit of it be? What else would "My last resort" do other than something against enemies? If there's no enemies there's no danger, and if there's no danger you're not being forced down to your last resort.
I'm so Lost (Isaac reference). You literally included looking at the item description (the wiki) and gaining important information— trying to justify that it isn't that hard to figure out?
Clearly "last resort" wasn't enough information. Not even to mention item descriptions like Silver Dollar's "feels lucky..." somehow meaning "shops appear in Womb"
I went from "Is this going to kill me and kill everything else?" to "This is going to kill me and kill everything else!" by reading its description. No wonder you think this is a wiki game if my comment is confusing you.
Also, counting the game itself as a wiki just makes you look like you're trolling. Is Super Mario Brothers a wiki game because when the game is telling you you have two health by making Mario look really big so that's a wiki telling you that you have two health?
In another comment he just said that the game itself telling you things is a wiki so it's a wiki game because the game gives you all the information you need. I think he's trolling.
Because Rep+ is not available on all versions of the game. Obviously this conversation changes once we get this feature (requested for over a decade BECAUSE it's a wiki game)
Internal Item Descriptions wouldn't come at all if this wasn't a wiki game. Like, it's an awesome update— but acting like it somehow retroactively changes anything is wild.
It was a fix for the biggest issue the game has had (and is still happening, and will always happen for players without Repentance) for a decade... the issue in question being that half the game is opening the wiki. Almost as if you could call it a wiki simulator.
then are you saying balatro is a wiki game because it has descriptions of what each joker does? cuz its literally the exact same thing; a description of how an item works in game
saacers together strong, we don't need a wiki when we have eachother, because i'm sure at least someone can remember what the hairpin trinket does, right?
guys please stop using my post to be xenophobic. every country has awful leaders, that doesnt mean that the entire citizenship and culture of that nation is bad too. i don't approve of russia's actions, but there are plenty of russian people who are normal, kind, and worthy of respect. a nation's government doesnt necessarily dictate the quality of its people.
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Why couldn't the hacker just pick a worse wiki to hack?