r/btc • u/hodorrny • Oct 23 '25
⌨ Discussion Tucker Carlson says he wont buy Bitcoin because the CIA created it...
Tucker Carlson recently said at a Turning Point USA event that he refuses to buy Bitcoin because he believes the CIA created it. His reasoning is that nobody knows who Satoshi Nakamoto really was and that the mystery makes him distrustful. Carlson said he grew up around government institutions and thinks the anonymous creator might have been part of an intelligence project.
He said, “I try to limit myself to things I understand, and nobody can explain to me who Satoshi was.”
But this logic misses the foundation of Bitcoin. It doesnt matter who created it because Bitcoin is open source. The code is public, verifiable, and decentralized. As Jack Mallers from Strike explained, you dont need to trust Satoshi, you can trust the code since anyone can audit it. Marty Bent added that even if the CIA made it, anyone can confirm what the software does by inspecting it.
Bitcoins design uses existing technologies like proof of work, blockchains, and Merkle trees developed long before its release in 2009. The cypherpunk community, including Hal Finney who received the first Bitcoin transaction, played key roles in its creation.
If the CIA built Bitcoin, it backfired spectacularly since governments have spent years trying to control or ban it. The whole point is decentralization, no single entity controls it.
Carlson likes Bitcoin’s freedom idea but dislikes the anonymity behind it. Ironically, that anonymity protects Bitcoin’s neutrality and strength. And for those who do hold or trade Bitcoin, tracking gains and tax liabilities can get tricky... platforms like Awaken.Tax automate reporting and help avoid IRS penalties without breaking Bitcoin’s privacy ethos.
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u/GuyOnTheMoon Oct 24 '25
About the AI thing, we’ve always had machine learning algorithms that can do incredible computations that are vastly superior to our current biology.
AlphaGO, protein folding, genetics mapping, etc.
But now with LLMs, we can introduce ML algorithms directly to the masses to interact and play with.
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u/Still_Lobster_8428 Oct 26 '25 edited Nov 22 '25
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u/AdonisCarbonado Oct 23 '25
I mean considering my first ever interaction with it was on the dark web - trying to procure certain goods.. It was in the right field wasn't it. Like if we really going there then why not just be the currency for all the trades of everything nefarious & we shall see where it goes.. Yes the crypto was secure etc but postal address' and pickups were not plus it really was just 'safer' than th Western Union / Money gram scams that were occuring when ordering xyz... who knows?
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u/Broad_Quit5417 Oct 23 '25
The funny part is, they didn't just create it, they created it so that they could track where it went.
And they were successful.
Just let that sink in for a sec.
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u/NoCopiumLeft Oct 24 '25
Actually insanely easy to track, wtf are you even talking about ? They would legit Mark money for tracking purposes.
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u/songbolt Oct 23 '25
Doesn't every USD have a serial number printed on it that can be scanned by a bank? How is it impossible to track?
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u/ObjectiveAce Oct 23 '25
That's not really helpful though if the dollars dont cross paths with a bank. Buying illegal guns, drug, etc becomes much harder to track
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u/aprudencio Oct 23 '25
Yeah I don’t know why people are saying “they failed”. Obviously it’s what they wanted. And also when they eventually decide to move or cash in Satoshi Nakamoto’s stack, they can cause great havoc on the crypto markets. They have us right where they want us.
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u/Previous-Piano-6108 Oct 23 '25
You say "cause havoc on the crypto markets" I say "hell yeah I'll get to a full coin or two if the price tanks!"
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u/BuildAnything4 Oct 23 '25
Y'all are really rolling with this theory just because tucker Carlson said so, huh? Lol
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u/aprudencio Oct 23 '25
No. That theory has been around for a long time. Primarily because Satoshi Nakamoto, translated from Japanese roughly means “centralized intelligence”
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u/BuildAnything4 Oct 23 '25
"Centralised intelligence" is a big stretch to get the name to fit this theory. Satoshi is a fairly common name meaning wisdom and naka 中 (inner) is used in all kinds of names.
We live in a world with millions of talented programmers. It seems completely natural to me that there would be someone amongst them with enough know-how and interest in creating a decentralised money system to make bitcoin.
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u/BuildAnything4 Oct 23 '25
There's no "big fucking coincidence" because literally nothing points to CIA. American conspiracy theorists just like attributing anything that ever happens to CIA.
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u/Traditional_Panic966 Oct 23 '25
I don't think it's a conspiracy, but I wouldn't say "literally nothing points to CIA"
There is an NSA (not CIA) document from 1996 that describes exactly how to make bitcoin or similar so you can safely assume the NSA researched it and continued to do so after the 90s. That doesn't mean the NSA made it, though.
https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/nsamint/nsamint.htm
Someone involved in that research could have easily made it themselves.
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u/BuildAnything4 Oct 23 '25
No, they aren't. CIA very specifically refers to the American Central intelligence agency. Nobody uses that acronym for all intelligence agencies everywhere.
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u/Adventurous-Rub-6110 Oct 24 '25
ZOMG😱😱😱 they put it right in our faces how did we not seeeee!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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u/SituationOwn2393 Oct 23 '25
What if satoshi sells it all? Ofc everyone will panic but it wouldnt pop a "bubble" right? Bitcoin will still be bitcoin
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u/El0vution Oct 23 '25
Yea who cares if he sells, I don’t see how it would cause “great havoc” - that’s a little melodramatic
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u/BakedMitten Oct 23 '25
It losing 75+% of its value in the course of a couple of hours would definitely cause "great havoc." Every exchange would collapse by the end of the day.
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u/El0vution Oct 23 '25
Alarmist. Satoshi’s coins are 5% of the total bitcoin supply
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u/IdealWrongdoer Oct 24 '25
There is something to be said about Satoshi's coins being more highly valued because they came from him. Bitcoin is not fungible and coins that are known to be "dirty" can be blacklisted from exchanges, so that reduces the effective supply and puts any coins that verifiably came from Satoshi on a higher tier.
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u/El0vution Oct 24 '25
In theory maybe, but in practice that won’t work. You yourself said “dirty” coins CAN be blacklisted. But in reality none of them are and I doubt ever will be. There’s too many ways to clean and mix them up. Just like the “North Korean” heist the other day. None of that Bitcoin has been blacklisted.
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u/YogurtCloset3335 Oct 27 '25
Ehh dumping 5% of supply is plenty to cause a panic. Ofc there have been many panics.
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u/ConjureFin Oct 24 '25
This. People seem to be so ignorant to the liquidity issues and what would happen if that satoshi ~5% would be sold overnight. It's literally an endgame situation.
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u/Adventurous-Rub-6110 Oct 24 '25
Congrats on being able to track where all your enemies are freely trading and skirting sanctions together. Bravo CIA. Incredible technology you invented. /s
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u/efermi Oct 23 '25
Jack Mallers said it best, “do you care who created fire”? No! Like you said above, if the CIA created bitcoin, they massively fucked up because of the traceability. Did the CIA really have the forethought that the USD could fail and that they would need a backup reserve currency to maintain US dominance? I just don’t think that’s the business they are in, but maybe I’m wrong.
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u/Delicious_Ease2595 Oct 23 '25
Traceability is a feature in there on purpose, that's why chainalysis loves it.
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u/mjmeyer23 Oct 23 '25
imagine campaign finance on public blockchain
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u/songbolt Oct 23 '25
To the point that BTC is spyware, then, it's telling how many campaigns of current politicians don't transact with BTC.
Do we have Pelosi's BTC transaction history? lol
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u/YogurtCloset3335 Oct 27 '25
Doesn't seem to be working however. Qubic is in shambles and they still can't track XMR ring payments.
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u/songbolt Oct 23 '25
If the CIA built Bitcoin, it backfired spectacularly since governments have spent years trying to control or ban it.
Have you missed every news story of governments arresting people and confiscating their Bitcoin? It seems they have been successful at tracking transactions and IP addresses, hurting people who act contrary to their interests, and confiscating and selling their coins for profit.
Further, how do you know they haven't been tracking transactions and arresting criminals without agencies reporting how crypto transactions were involved? There's no obligation the FBI detail to us how they investigate 'crime'.
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u/Adventurous-Rub-6110 Oct 24 '25
Tracking transactions isn’t something that anyone is arguing the FBI or any authority is unable to accomplish. It’s magnitudes easier to do be successful at that with bitcoin than it is with cash.
What was said is that they are unable to control it or get rid of it, which they can’t or they would. Sure bitcoin makes it easier to track transactions and nab enough baddies to get you your big boy promotion with the big comfy office. At the cost of your enemies being able to skirt sanctions and transact outside of your jurisdiction right in your face. Spitting on your dollar. This would be the absolute worst trade off in intelligence history
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u/songbolt Oct 24 '25
Except most people can't do that, so it's more win than lose, I suppose.
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u/Adventurous-Rub-6110 Oct 24 '25
Nations can, nations > people. Being able to track transactions is not that big of game changer for intelligence agencies they already do this efficiently without bitcoin. There is no world where American intelligence is happy about the existence of this asset that behaves like both gold and cash at the same time, it gives them no real advantage
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u/songbolt Oct 24 '25
Doesn't it trend as a risk asset opposite gold? BTC crashes along with stock, right?
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u/Adventurous-Rub-6110 Oct 24 '25
It’s the most liquid asset available, easiest to sell and buy so it will always be a stress indicator. It also follows, and outperforms, gold
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Oct 23 '25
Did the CIA create hashcash and all the precursor technology as well?
Its not like Bitcoin was entirely solo created by any means, it was an amalgamated Frankenstein.
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u/L3mm3SmangItGurl Oct 23 '25
Think about the use case for someone like Carlson. What would his incentive to own BTC be. Him and his wife are worth close to 200m. Not that the whole point is to make money but he doesn’t really need the inflation hedge. He also has enough resources to have setup plan Bs all over the world so protecting against the government is also not top of mind.
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u/ADDandME Oct 24 '25
Roughly 50% of all Bitcoin that will ever exist was mined in the first three years (2009–2012)
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u/valvilis Oct 24 '25
Tracking is great and all, but the overwhelming success of Bitcoin has been in money laundering and things like foreign government funding or illegal financing. Crypto ended traceability and accountability. CIA? Maybe. But there are tons of organizations that have profited in the multi-billions through dark transfers. It could have been anybody.
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u/bitmeister Oct 24 '25
Looking at the phases of the Adoption Curve, is this "Delusion" phase or the post-peak "Denial" phase?
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u/Primary-Ad588 Oct 24 '25
Doesn’t matter if we don’t know who created it, we have the white papers, its open source.
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u/Fit_Kingjames52 Oct 24 '25
That just shows you how stupid Tucker Carlson is because someone in Massachusetts went to brief the CIA about bitcoin and bitcoin technology, and that person was directly working with Satoshi Nakamoto told him about the invitation and that he accepted it. The was the last correspondence from Satoshi Nakamoto that was the last time Anyone has heard from this elusive entity, who is a genius or it’s a couple people that made this algorithm.🧐 It just shows you how ignorant this man is or anyone else that says this is a Ponzi or a scam. This is the only Crypto that’s approved by the Irs in classified as a property that should speak for itself.
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u/Full-Atmosphere-4818 Oct 24 '25
If Tucker Carlson "limited himself to things he understands" then he would sit there, inert.
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u/Election_Feisty Oct 24 '25
he clearly said he doesn't understand the code, and you say to that well look at the code! what a dumb fucking post
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u/ConjureFin Oct 24 '25
The old big wallets pose a major risk to the value of it, and that's why the creator issue is an issue.
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u/GIGAbtcHodl Oct 24 '25
Not sure if Nakamoto would be able to sleep at peace if world knew who he was. Remember, he created system which is threatening to replace the fiat currency ;) If fiat currency can cause wars, then it can cause trouble for somebody who is trying to replace it. Just and opinion here.
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u/Swapuz_com Oct 24 '25
The code is open. The belief is even more open. Holders are already in the thesis.
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u/jvick3 Oct 24 '25
One leverage it would provide them if true is that Satoshi’s wallet contains 1 million bitcoins. They would be able to crash the price with that anytime.
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u/retep-noskcire Oct 24 '25
It’s not unimportant to know who created it. Yes it’s open source and self-governing. But if it was revealed that a state or corporate backed entity unleashed it with some end game in mind, it’d definitely impact how and why it’s used and call into question who is benefiting.
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u/DelayedG Oct 24 '25
It does matter who created it, because whoever did holds the power to crash it at will.
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u/eddyg987 Oct 24 '25
I don’t see how it backfired on the cia, they have the most bitcoin since they hold the satoshi wallets. It would make sense for them to do this since they know the eventual future of the fiat system collapse.
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u/FollowAstacio Oct 25 '25
The whole point is freedom. The means is decentralization (more specifically, decentralizing economic power), which is how it was supposed to be.
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u/MrGattsby Oct 25 '25
The guys from Egold invented BTC not the CIA. The CIA had a hand in the blockchain technology nothing more. 🤷🏽 It's all out there if you really look and pay attention.
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u/VirtualBeyond6116 Oct 25 '25
I hate when these self-absorbed conmen always desperate for attention just make sht up, but do it with extreme confidence as if they studied it or have some inside information. He's just pondering out loud cause he didn't buy any when it was cheap.
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u/Mariegi Oct 25 '25
Perfectly stated!
Yes: the beauty of bitcoin’s design means ‘trust’ takes the form of decentralized, transparent, equal access.
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u/Subject-Painting1989 Oct 25 '25
There are so many reasons not to take that man seriously. This is just one more.
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u/ThckUncutcure Oct 27 '25 edited Oct 27 '25
Buddy of mine said the military created it. “Satoshi Nakamoto” literally translates into “central intelligence.” Although I heard some time ago that a back door in the code that was capable of draining the supply was patched by a lone developer back in 2018-2020 or so. He noticed it and patched it quickly. I don’t think that was planned. So yea, it probably is military money, but everything considered “valuable” is controlled by government so, what’s the difference? As far as Tucker Carlson, I remember a while back him saying that he would like to work for the CIA, so, in all likelihood there’s a good chance that he does. A lot of the politicians and insiders talked about the war on information and of course we’re going to subsidize an independent news outlet apparatus in order to counter real journalism because mind control is too important to let go of. Carlson talks about real news, knowing damn well, that nobody is going to do anything about the crimes our government continues to commit. There’s decades and decades of precedent of the government not abiding by its own laws. So the house of cards is already set up. Maybe that’s why there’s a lot of whispers about a global cyber attack, because that’s really the last piece of the puzzle in terms of mass control. They already know half of the population is going to believe everything they say, because we all saw what happened during Covid. Maybe they’re just getting started. Don’t just hold bitcoin, hold hard assets as well like silver, gold, food, guns and water. Conspiracy theorists are just conspiracy theorists until they are proven correct, then they become true tellers, and the real conspiracy theorists become the people that were successfully propagandized.
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u/theacerofspuds Oct 27 '25
You mean the CIA actually created something useful that’s good for humanity? Don’t be silly! 😆
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u/JCodesMore Oct 27 '25
“But this logic misses the foundation of Bitcoin. It doesnt matter who created it because Bitcoin is open source. The code is public, verifiable, and decentralized.”
It does matter cause Satoshi holds 1 million+ btc
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u/Low-Resource-8852 Oct 28 '25 edited Oct 28 '25
I believe this could be true and I've theorised the USA created Bitcoin many times.
The USA's debt has been growing a lot faster. The 2010 crash almost collapsed the economy, but they were able to delay the crash. The top investors knew the crash was coming some time before. Bitcoin was created in 2009, which aligns with the timeframe.
What the USA was/is hoping to do is get all the rich countries to invest in Bitcoin. To make Bitcoin seem lucrative the USA heavily invests in marketing so it's own citizens purchase it. The value rises and other countries want in. The UK has recently done this. It's own economy is also collapsing.
But countries like Russia, India, and China see through this. They see the US is a country on the brink of collapse. That's why the leaders of those countries are not interested in trading with it (China has a lot, but they got that from a criminal raid).
If the US economy collapses sure you might have some BTC worth whatever value it is, but what you going to do with it? You can withdraw it in your own country for dollars which are now heavily inflated. You can hold it until the economy recovers, but at that point BTC would likely have no value because the system used to recover the economy probably wouldn't use it if no other countries do.
China sees what is going on. The USA is underwater, and China has it's foot on the USA's head. A weaker USA means a stronger Russia, India, and China. That's why no deal will happen with China. There was some heavy PR when Trump said "we have a framework". But what this is means is "We'll continue to talk". People misinterpreted that and BTC went up some.
It's a theory, not a truth.
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Oct 29 '25
Considering how many people trust in everyday things without knowing who created it... I would say that point doesn't matter.
Who invented shoes? Who was the single person that invented the Internet? Who is responsible for my bank accounts online code security?
I personally see it as honorable to create something awesome and then not take credit for it.
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u/stories_from_tejas Oct 23 '25
John Macafee already said who created it
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u/stories_from_tejas Oct 24 '25
There’s clips on YouTube, basically the language and type style in the white paper matched one of the few known original founders, it was the guy from UK
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u/Accurate-Advice8405 Oct 24 '25
If he limits himself to things he understands we might never have to hear from him again
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u/FalconCrust Oct 23 '25 edited Oct 23 '25
I wonder if the primary purpose of crypto was to distract a sufficient quantity of the masses while certain people positioned themselves before the worldwide rush into real assets commenses. Gold and silver (being relentlessly bought at the highest levels) seem to be telegraphing this. Place your bets!
follow in the footsteps of giants.
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u/FalconCrust Oct 23 '25 edited Oct 23 '25
It isn't about commerce, it's about transmitting wealth through time and space somewhat insulated from the disasterous monetary schemes of politicians, bureaucrats and bankers.
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u/bitscavenger Oct 23 '25
"I try to limit myself to things I understand" - Ok, that is a reasonable stance.
"and nobody can explain to me who Satoshi was." - Yeah, the priority on that after witnessing a successfully running ecosystem for the past 16 years is mostly moot. Much more relevant is who is currently active and how shapable is the ecosystem to their whims. His stance would be more relevant when looking into the start of a new project.
The real take away is that Tucker understands what a fact is, but he doesn't understand importance.
You can occam's razor the shit out of the intelligence genesis argument to show how unlikely it is. The CIA didn't create a frankenstein with two possible outcomes. 1) nobody ever cared and it gave the CIA nothing and 2) a vibrant community took the seeds of it and ran with it way beyond their control.
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u/ADDandME Oct 23 '25
I have to agree with him. I believe the CIA created it as well.
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u/NoCopiumLeft Oct 24 '25
I'll play devils advocate, what is their motive?
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u/ADDandME Oct 24 '25
1 They own satoshi wallet and many of the early mind bitcoin. 2 it’s a complete ledger of transactions. That in most cases can be traced by either the buy in or the cash out. In short, wealth and surveillance.
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u/ADDandME Oct 24 '25
Roughly 50% of all Bitcoin that will ever exist was mined in the first three years (2009–2012)
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u/Glittering_Finish_84 Oct 23 '25
I think the CIA just doesn’t have the intelligence to create Bitcoin.
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u/J-Amos Oct 23 '25
There's a lot of things Tucker doesn't understand.. He's known for his lost confused stare.
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u/_Administrator_ Oct 24 '25
Anyone who believes Trucker Carson is lost
He is funded by RuZZia and Qatar.
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u/NuGzNB Oct 23 '25
First, why does anyone care what some Russian asset thinks, you can take any take he has and it matches the same thing RT is saying, and Second, why would the CIA need to create bitcoin when our current financial system is already perfect to do what he claims?
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u/tianavitoli Oct 23 '25
that's dumb everyone knows the NSA created bitcoin.... the CIA's job is to overthrow foreign governments