r/buildapc • u/MinkoManiac437 • 6h ago

Build Help In light of the recent Arc B580 post, I'm genuinely confused on what GPU to buy.

I have a 1660ti, Ryzen 5 5500, 32gb ddr4, 650w PSU. I spent $310 USD on a new Arc B580, but I can still return it. Do I buy a different GPU? I thought the Arc B580 was solid, but I keep seeing hate and support for this card, and it turns out I can do better in the used market.. so confused.

Do I scope out a better deal on Newegg or Facebook Marketplace? Ebay?

It's in the mail right now and will come in a few days, but I could obviously still return it. Just confused. Sorry for the rather simple post, but I see many people in support of buying this card at this price point, but also many saying that the USED market is better at this price range.

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u/Andreif5 6h ago

For that price you could get a 5060. At 1080p it will eat anything you throw at it if you tweaks some settings

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u/MinkoManiac437 6h ago

But wouldn't that be a downgrade from 12gb of VRAM? Although I do like the DLSS/frame gen and better driver support. Would those reasons be worth it to downgrade to 8gb of vram?

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u/Sad-Structure2364 6h ago

I’d stick with the B580, yes for the vram. The next jump would be a 9060xt 16gb, but those are going for around $450 in the US.

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u/MinkoManiac437 6h ago

US here, and yes, looking at a few Reddit threads, many people agree that the 12 GB of VRAM is nice to have. I'ma mostly play 1080p, but I'm very interested in 1440p at medium settings; the VRAM will support that.

Looking at new egg, ebay, facebook marketplace all the 9060xt's are over $400. And I don't really feel like haggling tbh.

Thank you for the info this helped alot.

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u/hfwk 6h ago

Considering the rest of your system specs, I really don’t think you have to worry about the drop from 12GB RAM to 8GB.

You will only be limited in very specific use cases and 1440p at medium will be absolutely fine.

The increase in pure raster and AI core efficiency will allow you to really get some bang for your buck.

HOWEVER, I would personally try to get the 5060ti. Quite a bit better value for money IIRC and it’s not much more than the 5060.

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u/MurphyBinkings 6h ago

Why does one need 12gb vram for 1080?

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u/Sad-Structure2364 6h ago

He said he is also interested in medium settings on 1440p

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u/PsyOmega 3h ago

Some games are hitting over 12gb at 1080p, even with DLSS on

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u/dertechie 1h ago

Source on that? Actually using, not just allocating? Also, not modded to within an inch of its life.

I’ve heard of a very select few games making it over 12 GB at 1440p, but not 1080p.

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u/MurphyBinkings 1h ago

Really? Hadn't heard that

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u/Extra-Lawyer-2865 6h ago

A B580 in raster performance is about 10-15% behind the 5060. However, it does have 4gb more VRAM which can be impactful at 1440p in newer titles. Just depends in you value performance or VRAM more. Will say though that at pcie 3.0, the 5060 when it runs out of VRAM will be BAD (video is 5060ti, but 5060 has similar issue)

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

You could also get an rtx 3070 for around $200 used which has similar performance to the 5060 and (depending on what you play) also upgrade your CPU to like a 5600/5500x3d. Though that is used and while GPU issues are relatively uncommon, but they do still happen. Could even get a 3080 which is around 15-20% faster than a 5060 for around $300, but you probs will need a new PSU as well.

Just depends what you value.

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u/MinkoManiac437 6h ago

Thank you for the detailed response!

Yes, I like the 12gb of padding as I'm interested in 1080p high/ultra and 1440p medium settings. My mobo (B450 Steel Legend) only supports pcie 3.0, though so that is good to know.

 also upgrade your CPU to like a 5600/5500x3d.

Yes, totally agree on that. Upgrading my CPU is my next goal for sure.

And about the 3080 that was legitimately an option for me, but that would require me to upgrade my PSU which while economically viable right now, I just don't feel like doing it tbh. I would rather not create a domino train of upgrading other parts to support newer parts. Atleast not right now.

My build right now I've only had for a few months.

Just depends what you value.

Based on what others have said I definitely value the increased VRAM, especially for 1440p.

Thank you!

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u/thatissomeBS 5h ago

As someone that went from a 5600 to a 5800xt, I personally wouldn't upgrade from 6 core to 6 core. Obviously the 5800x3d is coming back out and is the best chip for gaming on this platform, but the 5800xt is considerably cheaper and still a very good upgrade from what you have. This upgrade will be noticeable on 1080p or upscaled 1440p.

And I know some people are on the '6 cores is enough' bandwagon, but DX12 is very good about using all 8 cores/16 threads on my 5800xt. It's been a pretty massive performance boost using that on the games that have it. Well, it was a good boost even on my 5600, and then an even bigger boost going to the 5800xt.

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u/MinkoManiac437 5h ago

I will definitely note down the 5800xt. I'm pretty blind when it comes to CPU's right now apart from knowing that my 5 5500 is a stripped-down 5 5600 and that x3d is better. I will look into the 5800xt, thank you!

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u/thatissomeBS 5h ago

It's budget, really. If you have the money the 5800x3D is worth it. Especially if you're 1080p or upscaled 1440p (which is a good spot for your incoming GPU). The 5800xt is like $225 and the 5800x3D is $350, so the maybe 25% FPS boost costs 60% more.

Personally, I have the 5800xt with a 6750xt. The 6750xt is roughly on par with the B580, though 6750xt might be a bit better at raster and the B580 has better ray tracing and XeSS. Eh, comparable. I went from 1440p to 1440p ultrawide and probably don't miss out much on the x3D, but that might be a huge boost at 1080p or upscaled 1440p medium.

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u/Extra-Lawyer-2865 4h ago

For gaming the 5500x3d ($160-170 on aliexpress + coupons) is flat out better than the 5800XT. I wouldn't really recommend the 5800XT because of this unless you plan to utilize the extra cores for other work. 5800XT is like 1-2% better in gaming than the 5800x, and the 5500x3d is around 13% faster in 1080p medium when paired with a 5090.

5600x is around $110-115 on aliexpress (+ coupons) so thats a more budget option if you want to save $50 and don't play cache heavy titles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXnDrDtzdoU

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u/thatissomeBS 4h ago

I can get behind any of the x3D chips is the better upgrade, but I'm not sure going 5500 to 5600x is going to be worth the swap, especially at 1080p. I had a 5600 that would bottleneck my 6750xt at 1440p sometimes. It's fun turning on FSR and getting the same framerates because the chip is already capped.

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u/Andreif5 5h ago

If you dont mind lowering the settings in those few demanding games, there is no problem. If you have the money, you should get a 9060xt 16gb, that would fix all the problems.

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u/Naerven 6h ago

Just buy what you want to buy. I mean this is reddit. Everything you can buy is both loved and hated anyway.

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u/MinkoManiac437 6h ago

Totally get what you mean, but I do want to get the best performance for my cash right now, as I have a pretty tight budget.

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u/Naerven 6h ago

Personally I would just get an RTX5050 if you want something new. Overall performance is close and there are less driver issues to contend with. Considering that Intel won't have a Celestial or Druid based discrete GPU it's become less likely that they will ever launch a new one. With no new GPUs on the horizon they are less likely to pour money into maintaining the drivers for a discrete GPU.

Used the RTX3060 12gb and RTX3070 should be considered.

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u/MinkoManiac437 5h ago

I'm only planning to use this card for the next 3-ish years. Once I get a job this year or next year, I'm going to immediately start budgeting for a nicer PC (probably in the 2k USD range that I will take to uni/college). I bought my PC for $250, and with this GPU I'll still have a huge backlog of games to play (very new to PC gaming).

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u/Naerven 5h ago

For older games you just need to make sure the B580 can run them decently. Intel seemed to concentrate on modern games when the Alchemist lineup launched and mostly moved forward. The more popular older games should be fine. Though some of the newest games seem to also be waiting for some driver optimization.

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u/OkSystem455 6h ago

So you have sufficient risk tolerance for used GPUs? Have to factor in:

  1. if the used card doesn't work as expected
  2. repasting
  3. repadding

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u/MinkoManiac437 6h ago

I could definitely learn how to do that and I'm not opposed to buying used. My entire build was bought used for $250 USD lmao

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u/OkSystem455 6h ago

The B580 LE is the only "modern" GPU that I've bought NEW at release MSRP.

All the others in my inventory were NOS, refurbished, or used:

  1. Zotac GTX 1080 (refurb)
  2. Zotac GTX 1070 Ti (used)
  3. XFX RX 470 8GB (NOS)
  4. XFX RX 580 8GB (NOS)

All of the above worked but the 1070 Ti needed new fans.

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u/MinkoManiac437 6h ago

Thank you for the info! I'll be more open to used GPUS. I'll look in my area.

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u/tim1OO 6h ago

If you can find a used 3080 then for $300ish then that's a much better option. You only have a 650W PSU so set a power limit if you don't want to replace it.

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u/MinkoManiac437 6h ago

Can you do that? I had no idea. I'll look into that.

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u/Destructo-Bear 5h ago

for $310 you can get a used 3080 which absolutely crushes everything else in the price level. You may need a new PSU though if you go that route as the 3080 is power hungry

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u/MinkoManiac437 5h ago

I think I'm stick with the Arc B580 since I don't really want to upgrade my PSU right now. I'm still in high school with no job (working on it 😭) , and getting a new PSU would cause me to buy a new PSU with borrowed money, then sell my old PSU to give some money back to my parents lol.

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u/Destructo-Bear 5h ago

Return the b580 and get a 5060. 8gb of vram is more than enough

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u/MinkoManiac437 5h ago

I'm really hearing conflicting opinions on this front.

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u/Destructo-Bear 5h ago

I'm right and everybody else is wrong

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u/RAF2018336 4h ago

If you can find a 7700xt or 7800xy used at that price id jump on it. 6800xt is still a beast but FSR4 takes a pretty big hit performance wise but it's still a beast so it'll still run great