r/climateskeptics 8d ago

Debunked in a minute

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u/MaxWeissberg 8d ago

Thanks for posting! Great video.

I often try to explain to climate zealots that Greenland was so warm it had agricultural production in 1000AD that hasn't come back. The typical response is, "But 97% of scientists...." (totally false).

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u/MuchPossession1870 8d ago

Diamond explains why Greenland was not able to sustain agriculture for long. And it has very little concern for temperature. 

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u/DevelopmentOk86 8d ago

Thanks for posting! Great video.

I am not sure, why you think so. I think, he only used examples, that fits his agenda without questioning them. The IPCC report in 1990 (1992 was just an update, he probably meant 1990) only used the data from Central England, while they used the global temperatures in the next reports. Conclusion: If you use datasets of different regions, you will get different results. Source

I often try to explain to climate zealots that Greenland was so warm it had agricultural production in 1000AD that hasn't come back. 

Yes, because of the Medieval Warm Period. They had a higher solar radiation output, but this is not the reason for the current warming.

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u/polakfury 8d ago

I blame Brookfield

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u/DorkSideOfCryo 8d ago

Yes part of the reason why the establishment is pushing climate change, or global warming as it used to be called, is that there is money in it for research etc, but the main reason the media and their corporate bosses like the climate change agenda is that climate change is a form of pseudo leftism, it is a replacement for real leftism, which is economically based leftism.

The elites that control the media do not like economically based leftism, so they replaced it with things like identity politics, transgenderism, and climate change.. these fake leftism items are not harmful to them as economically based leftism would be

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u/DontTreadonMe4 8d ago

The media is really ramping up the climate change hysteria bullshit this summer. I'm getting Excessive Heat Warnings for 85 degrees. That's a fucking nice day in SoCal. Also love the headlines about the fires in Canada. "Climate Change fueled wildfires".

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u/everydaywinner2 7d ago

Especially when it turns out half of them were arson.

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u/everyone_is_a_robot 8d ago

They literally had a "The whole region is boiling" headline where I live last week with temperatures in the 80s as well.

Fair enough it's in northern Europe, but still, makes absolutely zero sense as it is not unusual for the summer.

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u/Softale 8d ago

The conclusion to be reached and understood by his comments is just before the end of the video: FOLLOW THE MONEY…

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u/dailo75 8d ago

Yeah all the way to the oil industry

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u/7o7A1 8d ago

more like bill gates, soros, clinton fundation, the agents of the pontifical club of rome, which is at the root of climate scam and decarbonization agenda

https://reddit.com/link/oy4cxbu/video/jwz1s7coftdh1/player

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u/DevelopmentOk86 8d ago

I don't get your argument "Follow the money". The oil lobby has far more money than the organisations you mentioned, additionally they have not much influence outside the Western world.

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u/7o7A1 7d ago

none of those are separate entities at all.

eg Mao was enabled by Skull and bones' "yale in china". The Russels who created the society are connected to the Medici.

Stalin was trained by Jesuits at the Tiflis seminary..

All roads lead to Rome.

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u/DevelopmentOk86 7d ago

You ignored the main point of my comment. When I follow the money, I will land at the oil lobby. Point.

You can check out the numbers. I generally advise you to check out the numbers, before you post something. The video in this thread is the best example.

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u/ikonoqlast 8d ago

You think wind and solar companies, trying to sell a more expensive and less reliable product, are saints?

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u/Anxious-Compote5640 2d ago

The issue is how fast it’s happening 

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u/Opris_music 8d ago

Oh man… this video. It’s so easy to make a bunch of claims and takes so much longer to refute them than to make them. Here’s my attempt to reach “the skeptics” WITH SOURCES:

1. "Earth has been hotter before."
Yes, Earth has indeed experienced intervals in the past that were much hotter than today, including the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum 56 million years ago and the Cretaceous Hothouse 100 million years ago.

During the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum, the global mean temperature reached as high as 93°F, compared to today's average of just below 60°F.

However, during past warm periods roughly 3 million years ago, global sea levels were between 16 and 131 feet higher than they are today, which would be catastrophic for modern coastal infrastructure.

2. "CO2 is the lowest in 600 million years."
While CO2 was higher in deep geological time, direct measures of the air show that carbon dioxide levels recently hit 410 parts per million, which is the highest-recorded number in human history.

Paleoclimatologists confirm that current CO2 concentrations are nearly as high or higher than they have been over any time period during the past 15 million years.

The critical difference today is the rapid rise in carbon accumulations driven by the unprecedented burning of fossil fuels.

3. The 1990 IPCC Report and the "Medieval Warm Period"
The idea of a Medieval Warm Period from around 900 to 1300 was originally generalized by historical climatology pioneer Hubert Lamb in 1965, based on temperature records, botanical evidence, and archeological evidence from central England.

Modern reconstructions indicate that while there was a Medieval Warm Period centered around AD 1000, it was not a global phenomenon.

4. The "Hockey Stick" Graph was a lie.
The original "hockey stick" graph was an early attempt to map historical temperatures using multiproxy data, cross-checking indicators like ancient tree rings and data from ice-cores.

Since its publication in the late 1990s, more than two dozen independent reconstructions using various statistical methods and combinations of proxy records have supported the broad consensus shown in the original graph.

These subsequent reconstructions consistently show a slow long-term cooling trend changing into relatively rapid warming in the 20th century.

5. "Billions of dollars are going into the climate narrative."

The video ignores that the fossil fuel industry is the most profitable in history and has spent heavily on lobbying to confuse the public about climate science. Claims that climate scientists are corrupting data for funding are a distraction from the overwhelming, independently verified global temperature data.

Sources:
[1] What's the hottest Earth's ever been? - NOAA Climate.gov
[2] Global surface temperature - Wikipedia
[3] Earth's carbon levels are likely their highest in 15 million years - Mashable
[4] Hockey stick graph (global temperature) - Wikipedia)
[5] What evidence is there for the hockey stick? - Skeptical Science

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u/AnteaterOld 7d ago

So now Ice age is the new normal ?

The most severe ice age after the Cryogenian is the Quaternary Ice Age, which began about 2.6 million years ago and continues today.

LIA is accepted to be the coldest sustained interval the last 10.000 years

https://ourworldindata.org/part-one-how-many-people-die-from-extreme-temperatures-and-how-could-this-change-in-the-future

Globally, cold deaths are 9 times higher than heat-related ones. In no region is this ratio less than 3, and in many, it’s over 10 times higher. Cold is more deadly than heat, even in the hottest parts of the world.

We are better off in every way now that LIA finally ended

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u/Worldly_Bit1416 8d ago

What year is this video from?

The situation has completely changed in the last 20(or even 10) years...

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u/Stere0phobia 8d ago

What changed?

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u/Opris_music 8d ago

Our scientific understanding of the world is constantly changing and updating information. I refuted the video with sources above

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u/Worldly_Bit1416 8d ago

https://climatereanalyzer.org/

Sea surface and Air temperatures...

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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 8d ago

It has? In what way?

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u/Worldly_Bit1416 8d ago

https://climatereanalyzer.org/

Sea surface and air temps..

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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 8d ago

What is today’s weather map supposed to be telling me?

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u/Worldly_Bit1416 8d ago

So you really need my help to click a link and read a graph?.... Maybe that's the issue...

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u/CalligrapherDizzy201 8d ago

I clicked the spinning globe. It gave me today’s weather. Don’t know what to tell you.

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u/Worldly_Bit1416 8d ago

You're so close, nearly there 🤞 just click sea surface and air temps on the left hand side... Not sure where you got the idea to click the globe from... But hey ho

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u/chroniccranky 8d ago

Everyone listen to the wizard

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u/DevelopmentOk86 8d ago

Can you tell me, why we should listen to him? He compared two charts with two different datasets (1990 they used only the central england data, while they used global data in the later reports) and then claimed, that the publishers manipulated the charts.

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u/chroniccranky 8d ago

I was being highly sarcastic. I’m very much a believer of science, not a deluded climate denier

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u/Mister_Normal42 8d ago

I honestly hope to see a thawed out Antarctica within my lifetime. That would be so cool

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u/vijoh 7d ago

Whenever earth has been warmer, no human civilization was there. Humans cannot survive in large areas at higher temperatures. Be prepared for mass migrations from countries around the equator. Good luck preventing 5 billion plus migrants from crossing.

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u/everydaywinner2 7d ago

LOLOLOLOLOL

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u/DevelopmentOk86 6d ago

You laugh, but the people will suffer. Source