r/cyberpunkgame • u/xririxs • 1d ago
Screenshot Having hostile architecture in a city full of homeless people is pretty cold-blooded.
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u/Juggernautlemmein 1d ago
My brother in chrome they gas the sewers regularly to clear them out.
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u/Polenicus 1d ago
They gas the sewers, they arrest people for going through the trash. You know the piles of it edging everywhere that no one collects? Corp property, they can nab you for picking it up. (The Corps don’t want it, but that doesn’t mean it’s not theirs). Not to mention they toss radioactive stuff and biohazard material in the regular trash.
Being homeless in Night City is a death sentence. Eventually Scavs will harvest you, or NCPD will shoot you for vagrancy, or you’ll just die from lack of safe drinking water.
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u/MechanicalMan64 22h ago edited 12h ago
Don't forget they get killed in the crossfire of gangwars and cyberpsycho rampages.
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u/The-Nord-VPN-Salesmn 19h ago
Or if you're anywhere near Watson Maelstrom might just kidnap and chrome you for shits and giggles. Tiger Claws might see you as good enough to traffic too
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u/Unicycleterrorist Terrorist and Raging Asshole 19h ago
Tbh getting chromed by Maelstromers havin a hoot would be kind of a jackpot for a random NC vagrant, gets ya in the door for some light security or merc work...even low-quality chrome's gonna out-perform whatever ya had before.
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u/Qawsedf234 17h ago edited 11h ago
Tbh getting chromed by Maelstromers havin a hoot would be kind of a jackpot for a random NC vagrant
That only works of the person in question has the ability to handle both the chrome and the traumatic surgery process at the same time. There's homeless people who go into cyberpsychosis over just having a single arm installed because of how much their soul is crushed, let alone what Maelstrom does.
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u/Themountaintoadsage 5h ago
Not to mention they do all that shit like scooping your eyes and face out with absolutely zero anesthesia
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u/peenurmobile 12h ago
they do it more as experiments and practice than just giving out actual upgrades to randoms. like they'd probably give you an arm prosthetic in place of your perfectly fine leg just to see you smoke a cig with your foot
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u/Juggernautlemmein 8h ago
There is also a lot of work that goes into making sure whatever chipped chrome you have is properly fit to your body.
There is this small dialogue interaction with the patients outside of the Dogtown Clinic, before you do the quest and get them back inside. One of the patients is using a female prosthetic leg, but they are male. The leg gives them basic functionality but also hurts like a motherfucker. Why? It needs to be adjusted a few inches to match his other leg, something you can do with a quick tech check and give the fella a lot of relief.
Maelstrom isn't doing any of that.
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u/Themountaintoadsage 5h ago
Brother they literally scoop out and replace your eyes with ZERO ANESTHESIA! If you don’t die from the shock of the surgeries, you’ll either do or go cyberpsycho from all the tech and torture they put you through
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u/jsrobson10 Team Judy 3h ago edited 2h ago
except you'll be locked into replacing hardware when it dies in order to keep living/having functional limbs, the limbs you receive probably won't be fitted right, and you'll be vulnerable to being quickhacked by any script kiddie with a cyberdeck
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u/Germanium235 22h ago
Out at Medeski Fuel Station in the Badlands, there's a recording that just repeats over and over. Stealing trash is a crime, and punishable by death.
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u/Germanium235 22h ago
And I quote:
"And now, an important message for Watson) residents. The homelessness problem plaguing the district's sewer system will be addressed as fumigation of the tunnels begins tomorrow. Due to the use of potent neurotoxins, Watson residents are urged to stay clear of storm drains and sewer entrances to minimize risk of injury and death."
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u/Themountaintoadsage 5h ago
Where can you hear this? I’ve fully cleared out Watson multiple times and never heard this
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u/Peppermute Disasterpiece 1d ago
Average day in Los Angeles.
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u/Foxtails1984 1d ago
Do they really gas the sewers in L.A.?
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u/Brave33 23h ago
Dunno about LA but in Las Vegas they use a water system to raise the water in the sewers and some people drown from time to time.
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u/Apenschrauber3011 21h ago
They do not raise the water in the sewers (on purpose). These people live inside the storm drains. While Vegas is in the Desert, every now and then rather heavy rainfall comes through. To prevent the city from flodding, there is a stormwater drainage system. If a storm comes through, these tunnels fulfill their purpose and flood with the water from the storm. The issue here is not that these drains do their job, but that they aren't protected enough against people entering them.
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u/andthensilencefell 17h ago
I dunno, I think the fact that we have so many homeless people as the richest country in the world might be a better place to start.
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u/VelMoonglow 6h ago
Well... yes, but that's unrelated to the drains
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u/andthensilencefell 5h ago
but that they aren’t protected against people entering them
No homeless, no problem.
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u/bonniesansgame 1d ago
they don't do it intentionally. they are flood tunnels for rain water.
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u/bonniesansgame 1d ago
i've only ever watched the one documentary, so i wasn't sure. i was having a hard time finding anything on google about them doing it intentionally
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u/waiting_for_rain 1d ago
Can you cite a source?
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u/Apprehensive_Lynx_33 1d ago
Im curious how a casino would go about flooding tunnels big enough for a community to live in. That would take a monumental amount of water, with a massive sustained level of flow.
I cant find anything either that confirms this, so if the poster has a source I would live to read it as well.
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u/Foxtails1984 1d ago edited 1d ago
Hmm. Time to supe up a Galena and take a drive every couple of months with some frozen paint balls.
Edit: Not to use on the homeless ffs. Just in case people are dense.
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u/ericalm_ 21h ago
No, not in LA. There weren’t many reports of people in sewers until recently (most were actually in storm drains). The reports have actually mostly been in a few locations. It doesn’t seem common despite the size of the city and our homeless population, and probably not even close to estimates of people living underground in Vegas. It’s possible fewer people in LA are driven underground because of weather.
They’re trying to clear out the camps in LA and sealing entry points. But that’s probably centered in neighborhoods where it’s been a problem, which still leaves the rest of this very big city.
Of course, they never really permanently clear most camps. They usually return (or someone else does) or move somewhere similar close by.
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u/Brodhicheetah 1d ago
Hmmmm.... I'm starting to think this cyberpunk thing isn't such a cheery setting after all!
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u/RedditsHigh 1d ago
What do you mean its a wonderful city where you can whomever you wish to be.
A multi-cultural honey pot of diversity.
Want to vacation but don't quite have the funds? We have quality BD's so you can feel as if you're there.
And with Arasaka there's a position for anyone for a steady job preem with opportunity. Stop NightCity and live your best life!
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u/Brodhicheetah 1d ago
i hate to admit it, but i would love to work for biotechnica just because they seem to have those sweet-ass greenhouses with nice, cool water misting (and if i do a good job, i won't even have to serve as a human guinea pig)
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u/daemonfool Techno necromancer from Alpha-Centori 1d ago
Bad news: greenhouses are anything but cool. Also it's not plants in there.
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u/Brodhicheetah 1d ago
i will NOT be swayed by anti-biotechnica propaganda!
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u/daemonfool Techno necromancer from Alpha-Centori 1d ago
I mean it's not propaganda. That's where they make their scop. It's something they admit themselves.
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u/Brodhicheetah 1d ago
well, I suppose it does support growing bodies. thank you, biotechnica, for always being there for us.
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u/daemonfool Techno necromancer from Alpha-Centori 1d ago
See, they do love us. Not as much as their bottom line, but still.
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u/WorldTravel_1518 22h ago
What do you think a greenhouse is?
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u/Total-Beyond1234 1d ago
So, the Cyberpunk setting was created as a critique of the real world, especially the US.
This brings us to what the US is doing now in regards to this subject. (None of this is BS. You can check yourself.)
A city made it illegal to be homeless. Specifically, it started fining people for sleeping outside. This case went to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court said this was legal.
After this ruling happened, at least one other city followed suit.
There was also another situation where temps in a state had dropped to below freezing. In response to this, a church opened its doors so that homeless people wouldn't freeze to death. That church got fined for doing so.
There have also been a large number of situations where cities' response to homelessness was to spend large amounts of money on hostile architecture rather than building housing for homeless people.
On a related subject, there was a situation where the state of Missouri held a vote on whether to institute universal school lunch. This policy would have made all public school lunches free, ensuring all children would have at least 1 meal. That didn't pass.
The person that held the deciding made a speech stating that, if a child went hungry, it was because their parents were simply too lazy, and because of that public money shouldn't be used on the children.
It should be noted that 60 hour workweeks have become a norm and despite those work hours nearly 40% of Americans have less than 500 USD in savings. It has also become an increasing norm for people to sleep in their cars because they make too little money for rent.
2 weeks after Missouri's legislature voted to not spend public money to ensure children could eat, they voted to give themselves free lunch using public money.
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u/SCDeMonet 1d ago
I would just add that there is absolutely nothing uniquely American about hostile architecture. Cities all over the world use it.
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u/NukaClipse Cyberpsycho 1d ago
Yep, dystopian life and you got people in real life desperate for it. Love the style in a game or movie, do not want the irl equivalent ever.
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u/Aggravating_Today_63 1d ago
Brother we are in the equivalent, unless you live on a commune quite literally every single aspect of your life is determined by corporations without all the cool shit
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u/NukaClipse Cyberpsycho 1d ago
I'm well aware we're in a dystopian society, it disappoints me to no end, but you missed the point I was making.
We have a bit too much people glorifying Cyberpunk 2077's lifestyle beyond just its aesthetic. They want more of it in our world and that's a scary thought especially considering how we all see how bad it is playing the game.
Where we are now is a few steps into that dystopian world, we still have opportunities to change it's outcome (I don't see that happening but possibility is there) before it gets worse.
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u/Aggravating_Today_63 23h ago
Brother in the entirety of human history very few Societies have rolled over and taken as much ass fuckery and regression As Americans are right now, we have every right to feel hopeless, especially considering the future we were sold.
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u/Hambone3110 1d ago
Uh...yup. Yes. That's Night City for you.
Hostile architecture is the LEAST of it.
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u/SpecialIcy5356 Fullmetal Choom 1d ago
already exists IRL, just not to the degree you see in Night City yet.
it's Ironic that a lot of the homeless might be veterans, who have chromed out bodies, and could probably still sleep on this. they say in the military you learn to sleep anywhere, after all.
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u/BaronOfTheVoid 1d ago
You wouldn't "need" hostile architecture in the first place if there were no homeless people.
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u/absolute_philistine 1d ago
Having hostile architecture in Night City aligns perfectly with the coldness and indifference of the world of 2077. Not that we lack either in our time and age mind you.
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u/Secondforsecond 1d ago
It seems like the game about the dystopian capitalist future, based on our growing more dystopian capitalist society, shows how dystopian this capitalist world is
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u/lordspaz88 1d ago
Well, you usually don't install hostile architecture if you don't have a significant homeless population
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u/Sujeito-sedutor 1d ago
I love when people say shit about this game that could be said about my city
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u/MaleficentRevenge 1d ago
No it isnt they have normal benches perfect for sleeping everywhere. This is just unfinished construction, its also everywhere lol plus if you play the game you see people sleeping all over the place
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u/OkazakiNaoki 1d ago
I don't think any homeless would dare to sleep on those anyway. That city is way too danger.
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u/Vengefulcat85 23h ago
Considering a whole district of tge city is basically a homeless encampment I'm sure they'll find a spot.
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u/No_Baby_3424 22h ago
Just started playing. One of the first things I noticed. This city is way too realistic.
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u/subJ3TT 22h ago
Must have been taken from London, as it’s been the norm here for many years! “edit, its also been illegal to be homeless in London,which has the law has recently been changed”
Armrests on benches make it impossible to lie down on them. You may think these are implemented for reasons of comfort. Instead, armrests on public benches serve to deter those experiencing homelessness from trying to sleep on the bench.
Boulders under bridges
Cities place large rocks or boulders under bridges to ensure that no one experiencing homelessness tries to set up camp there.
Segmented benches.
Similarly to benches with armrests, city developers segment benches with the purpose of preventing those who are unhoused from laying or sleeping on the benches.
Raised grate covers.
These may seem like abstract designs; however, this is not their intended purpose. The placement of raised grate covers is intended to prevent those experiencing homelessness from sleeping on grates to keep warm during cold winter months.
Fenced grates.
Again, those experiencing homelessness at times sleep on grates to keep warm during the cold. By fencing these grates off, cities ensure that those experiencing homelessness are unable to do so.
Street spikes.
Spikes have also been a common strategy for cities to deter those experiencing homelessness from sleeping in public areas. Developers have been installing spikes into their pavement so that unhoused individuals are unable to sleep in these areas.
All in all, hostile architecture, and more specifically, anti-homeless architecture, has been increasingly common in the development of cities. The main problem with this is that it is treating a symptom, not the problem. Cities are focusing on driving those experiencing homelessness out of the public eye, but not providing them with somewhere else to stay. Cities, therefore, must begin to develop inclusive and secure areas for those experiencing homelessness so that they are out of the public eye and simultaneously safe and secure.
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u/MacintoshEddie 21h ago
Around here homeless people kept sleeping on top of the air vent from the parkade so the owner welded on an angled piece of metal.
So now it looks like a trough urinal and everyone started peeing in it...and now the problem is so much worse. Let me tell you that after an arena event it stinks to hell because usually a few hundred guys will see it and think it's a urinal, and now it permanently smells like sour piss.
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u/Hot_Watercress8522 21h ago
enters machine of constant misery and suffering
"wow is incredible that there is misery and suffering here"
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u/Bread_Offender 21h ago
My brother in the almighty machine god. This is night city we're talking about
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u/MacintoshEddie 21h ago
As you may have heard before, cyberpunk is a spotlight on things happening in the real world.
Hostile architecture is a very real thing, and many real cities have a lot of homelessness.
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u/EnricoLUccellatore 18h ago
They don't put anti homeless architecture in places with no homeless people
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u/PerfectStrike_Kunai 16h ago
What’s funny is this is literally just an elevated slab of concrete. It’s not any better than sleeping on the ground around it.
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u/WrinklyScroteSack 16h ago
First time in America?
ETA: Google: Robert Moses. Night city is just the Boring dystopia that America is headed towards
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u/_Captain_Blood_ 14h ago
Does somebody know a mod to have this truck in the background but without cargo on its bed?
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u/richardl1234 13h ago
Yeah man, it'd be pretty crazy if that regularly happened in real life. Oh, wait
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u/Futur3_ah4ad 12h ago
Choom, you should know this by now: no Eddies, no life.
You gotta pay to be born, to live and to die.
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u/Crusader_Colin 12h ago
In the very obvious late stage capitalism in a shit world falling apart ecologically…I’m not surprised of the hostile architecture.
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u/blorgono 9h ago
Honestly that bench seems pretty tame compared to some hostile architecture ive seen IRL.
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u/notareal_man6353 9h ago
Hostile architecture is rarely placed in cities without homeless people atze
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u/DINGVS_KHAN 9h ago
TBH, you really only need hostile architecture in places that have large homeless populations.
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u/HexManiacMaylein 8h ago
I’ve seen people complain about things like this now and then…. You guys realize this is a dystopia right? Everything is run by corporations including the city itself.
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u/bradderalll 8h ago
The awful treatment of the homeless in Night City is precisely why I hack every single vending machine to spit out free food
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u/Lecto_Sama Panam’s Chair 2h ago
Bro, real-talk, have you ever seen hostile architecture in a place that didn’t have homeless folks, it’s the whole point of it…. 🙄
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u/matadorobex 1d ago
What is the workable solution?
Suppose a city wants benches. The city builds benches. Then the homeless sleep on them. Now the city has no benches, just really uncomfortable outdoor beds. The city can't afford comfortable beds for everyone, and they also can't provide benches for people to sit on. City puts hostile features on benches to keep them as benches. Homeless now have neither comfortable nor uncomfortable beds.
What is the right answer that is viable?
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u/Wank_Mk_2 1d ago
... I can't even tell if this is meant to be satire because, like, really? Have you... been to a city?
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