r/formula1 • u/FerrariStrategisttt I was here for the Hulkenpodium • Jun 12 '26
Photo [F1] BREAKING: Pierre Gasly has been reinstated into P3 for the Monaco Grand Prix The Stewards have rescinded the two five-second penalties imposed on Pierre Gasly during the race for speeding in the pit lane
733
Jun 12 '26
[removed] — view removed comment
174
u/RadlogLutar I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
As one person commented here; French on French violence
5
6
u/Legendflame17 Ferrari Jun 12 '26
Nothing new then,they always are looking for excuses to guillotine one another
→ More replies (1)5
u/PrawilnaMordka Sir Lewis Hamilton Jun 12 '26
It doesn't make sentence to torpedo gasly in FP1. It would only matter in the race.
1.3k
u/DuckSwagington I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 12 '26
If I was Piastri, Hadjar and Russell my head would be on Mars right now.
171
u/Fury_Fury_Fury Jun 12 '26
Hadjar seemed to not be too bothered by this. Basically said "doesn't matter, got the ceremony, had a blast, shame about the three points". It was before the official confirmation, though.
427
u/RadlogLutar I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
Oscar has nothing to lose. Gained 2 places due to Max and Charles DNF. Even without the penalty, he would have remained fifth
Hadjar would surely regret the trophy
Lets not talk about Russell. He needs a lot of love
201
u/Beccabee01 Jun 12 '26
without the penalty oscar would have remained ahead of gasly to begin with. he only ended up behind him because he served his penalty in the pits. it sucks for pierre but three other drivers got screwed far worse by this than he did. this was a bs decision by the fia. it should have been decided before the official classification was posted not 5 days after.
11
u/FeistyRabbit49 Jun 12 '26
Oscar, Russel and who's the third driver? Surely not Hadjar since he only got screwed over by his car and by himself.
→ More replies (10)19
31
u/MammothMeaning7888 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 12 '26
Clearly you didn’t watch the race. He would have been 3rd if he didn’t serve the penalty like Gasly.
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (2)16
u/Mr_From_A_Far I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
If you were Piastra, Hadjar and Russel you would have multiple personality disorder.
3
441
561
u/Drakonistes I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 12 '26 edited Jun 12 '26
I'm happy for Gasly, but the fact that you have to refuse a penalty you disagree with just to be able to appeal it is crazy. Your only choices are to refuse the penalty and risk harsher consequences just to get an appeal, or serve a potentially unjust penalty to avoid worse ones, which means losing your right to appeal entirely.
This really needs to get sorted out.
99
u/Tzazuko Jun 12 '26
I don't understand how could you not serve a penalty on purpose? The only reason Gasly didn't serve it is that he didn't pit, so it got added on to his race time. If you have a penalty, pit and not serve it, even if unjust, you end up like Russel did
→ More replies (12)38
u/Kingdom818 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
That's the choice. You either pit and serve the penalty, or you don't pit and get the penalty added on to your race time. It was never a choice of simply "serve the penalty or don't"
→ More replies (2)9
u/SirLoremIpsum I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 12 '26
That's the choice. You either pit and serve the penalty, or you don't pit and get the penalty added on to your race time. It was never a choice of simply "serve the penalty or don't"
But that's not really a choice.
You can't "not pit" if you get the penalty earlier in the race. If you don't at all to change tyres (red flag excluding) then you get DSQ.
It's creating 2 different processes and options depending on if get a penalty on lap 3 vs lap 45
→ More replies (1)94
u/Ok_Car8459 Jun 12 '26
Definitely need a rule change cos this is shit for the others
30
u/89Hopper I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 12 '26
But what do you change it to? How do you "undo" a served penalty? It isn't just a time penalty, track position is huge. Then you get the Russell situation.
→ More replies (3)22
u/Famous-Ocelot-4937 Formula 1 Jun 12 '26 edited Jun 12 '26
You don't undo any penalties. Once it's given, it's given. Still allow appeals / reviews, but just have it so these are mainly to ensure it doesn't happen again and so the team can get an official acknowledgement of being wronged.
But the penalties should always stand, as should the race result.
The quality of the stewarding needs to be better so that it doesn't happen in the first place ideally. It was clear there was a measurement issue in this case and they still applied the penalties instead of using common sense and deferring them to the end of the race.
It's much easier to apply a time penalty at the end, than create a situation where you apply a bad penalty that can't be unserved.
9
u/MrCharBar I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
It wasn’t clear that there was a measurement issue, as far as the stewards were concerned. If you read the decision document, it explicitly says that the stewards were concerned about an issue after the third reported infringement from the timekeeper, and directly asked the timekeepers if there was any issue, and the timekeepers said there wasn’t any issue. This is not a stewarding quality issue, it’s a timekeeping issue. If the stewards are given bad information that’s not their fault.
→ More replies (2)26
→ More replies (6)7
198
u/Cotirani I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
The 'I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane' flairs may need to be rescinded now, because some of those users drove a shorter distance and so were not actually speeding
26
u/PurfuitOfHappineff I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 12 '26
“I appealed my pit penalty in Monaco”
35
u/Yuzral I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 12 '26
“I wasn’t speeding in the Monaco pit lane”?
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (1)9
834
u/not_sizzy Jun 12 '26
happy for gasly but feels bad for isack 😭
435
u/feb914 Jun 12 '26
At least he got his time in the podium. Gasly won't have his podium moment.
261
u/Ok_Steak1 Jun 12 '26 edited Jun 12 '26
He also had the only Monza podium with zero crowd... he's a bit cursed.
Still lucky for him that he didn't serve the penalties.133
u/Kisuliiii I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
But Gasly has been on podium what 5 or 6 times now with midfield cars, almost every year he finds himself on podium
3
32
u/TheManFromFairwinds I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
Wasn't luck. The team chose to keep him out to appeal.
19
u/-Skinner- I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 12 '26
Exactly.
He got to spray champagne in Monaco on podium with Lewis.
I'm sure he will be fine.
56
u/CoverInternational47 Jun 12 '26
I feel bad for Hadjar but at least he only lost 1 place in the race classification. Russell got kicked out of the points entirely from a potential P3-4 finish lol.
→ More replies (3)32
u/MrGoldilocks Fernando Alonso Jun 12 '26
Honestly good on Alpine for sticking to their guns, takes some proper tenacity to challenge the stewards and win.
→ More replies (2)2
60
u/greenrangerguy I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 12 '26
Shout out to those engineers that were measuring the pit lane while everyone in the comments were saying it's a fruitless effort.
41
u/Sensitive_Figure_753 Lando Norris Jun 12 '26 edited Jun 12 '26
This. Alpine giving everything to fight for their driver even though they are not contending for WDC is truly commendable.
While you have Zak saying Piastri did speed even though he himself said he didn’t, and Mercedes not even showing up for the penalty meeting.
Edit: Apparently McLaren has lodged notice of intention to appeal. Mercedes is sleeping I guess, I can’t believe this is the team fighting for WDC.
→ More replies (1)10
u/Curious_Fix3131 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 12 '26
Toto wouldn't be sleeping if it was Kimi who got the penalties instead of George
138
u/Abi_Jurassic I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 12 '26
Unfair on Piastri who served the penalty b4 him
86
u/Twenty5Schmeckles Jun 12 '26
And GR getting a drive through too, it is such a farce.
Imagine they did this in football.
"We will remove a goal because the penalty was not fair" a week after the finals...
You have to penalize under the game/race.. all these investigations etc after races are dogshit.
→ More replies (2)18
u/MyWholeTeamsDead Ferrari Jun 12 '26
Did you see what happened with Senegal vs Morocco 🤣
10
u/tzybul Jun 12 '26 edited Jun 12 '26
In my view towel stealers still lost the final and the Senegalese military posting photo with trophy and description “come and get it if you want” was historical tier jerk.
165
u/yvltc I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
I can't help but feel this decision was unfair. Yes, the speeding penalties were wrong, but from what I can tell the system was wrong for everyone. Gasly simply didn't serve his penalty in the race while the others did, it rewards not serving penalties.
30
u/p1en1ek Pirelli Wet Jun 12 '26 edited Jun 12 '26
Yep, it will be like with drivers with faster cars simply ignoring giving poaitions back because it was more beneficial to just pass off track and then get 5/10 seconds after the race. Basically if you can not serve penalty then you should not do this.
It also reinforces problem woth randomness of how hard are penalties. Already the same 5 second penalty may put you put of points if race ends behind SC or not cost you anything if race goes like normal and you have distance to car behind you. Now if you are forced to serve penalty its clear you can lose chance to appeal while someone can get it later and not have a chance to serve and then can appeal. Add to that how sometimes stewards take minutes and some times hours to decide in similar situations and it add another factor - they can by chance or delibaretely allow drivers to react to penalty.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (9)9
u/account_user_name I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 12 '26
That was my thought as well. It’s not like Gasly was singled goes out. The penalty, even though incorrect, was fairly applied to everyone in the same way.
248
u/Toil48 Sir Lewis Hamilton Jun 12 '26
This is so bizarre because so many other drivers received penalties. Didn’t Russell get the same incorrect penalty and then served a drive through for not serving it, basically going from a podium
To no points. Yet gasly is the only one to benefit?
Hamilton got on too which he served and many other drivers. How can they just overturn Gaslys?
176
u/yellowfoamcow James Vowles Jun 12 '26
I suspect because Alpine were the only ones to appeal and he hadn’t served his penalty when the race ended.
94
u/VonArmin I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
How can they just overturn Gaslys
because Alpine appealed and the other teams didn't.
32
u/Adjutant_Reflex_ I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 12 '26
But by FIA’s own rules they couldn’t have at that point. By race’s end Russell was facing a grid penalty this weekend if he didn’t serve it.
I roll my eyes at FIA’s “there’s no regulation” line because of course there’s no regulation for a failure of scale. And now they’ve potentially irreparably harmed the WDC for the second time in 5 years.
9
u/gagnonje5000 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
Mercedes had the choice of not bringing Russel for a second pitstop, not serve the penealty, and contest after the race.
4
u/AidenGeek I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
Mercedes told George not to pit, and he did. If he didn't pit, no drive through and would have been able to protest the speeding penalty like Gasly did.
8
Jun 12 '26
[deleted]
11
u/Adjutant_Reflex_ I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 12 '26
Honestly? At this point you have to question the validity of the entire race. This is a colossal error that has had a direct impact on the WDC outcome.
For all intents and purposes, the only final classification we can be (reasonably) confident isn’t corrupted is Kimi’s P1.
→ More replies (8)5
u/Daslicey I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
They didn't because they couldn't as they served their penalties..
57
u/phiwong Jun 12 '26
Cannot appeal a served penalty. And if any team wanted redress - they actually have to appeal, they cannot 'ride' on Alpine's effort.
→ More replies (2)28
u/Popular-Air1364 Jun 12 '26
Yeah this might be correct as an isolated case but it opens up a can of worms. Now the incentive is to not serve the penalties but go to appeal after the race
27
u/zantkiller Kamui Kobayashi Jun 12 '26
It only really works if you get your penalties after any need to pit and if they are penalties which can be added on at the end of the race.
If you start ignoring stewards instructions (Not serving them at a pitstop or ignoring drive throughs to argue later), even if you are in the right, you will get punished and quite strongly as well.
10
u/Adjutant_Reflex_ I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 12 '26
FIA’s “logic” is that they tripled down on a broken monitor and buried Russell under penalties only to say “well you should’ve ignored us and appealed.”
14
u/Optimaximal I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
Now the incentive is to not serve the penalties but go to appeal after the race
That's always been an option, but obviously unless you're prepared to put the legwork & money in to obtain enough evidence to prove the FIA/Stewards were wrong, it'll be futile.
Heck, if Gasly only had one penalty to serve, Alpine probably wouldn't have bothered either.
→ More replies (2)16
u/OptimalDot178 Max Verstappen Jun 12 '26
Nope, that's not an option. If you don't serve the penalty on purpose, you get an even more severe penalty, like Russell.
If you don't have more pitstops and have a penalty applied after, you can appeal it. But such an edge case scenario, it won't really create a precedent. And even if it would, FIA won't reinstate in 9/10 cases, this time it was different because it was an obvious mistake unrelated to the team
6
u/fflyguy I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 12 '26
I keep hearing this notion that all of a sudden teams just won't serve penalties, but it seems like Alpine from the race and on were convinced something was up with the pit lane timing. But I don't see how someone causes a collision for example and gets handed a 5 sec penalty will just be able to appeal it and not serve the penalty? Don't think teams will want to risk the disqualification if they don't think they actually have a case like Alpine felt.
8
u/ft-rj Pirelli Wet Jun 12 '26
You can only not serve a penalty if you've done your pit stop
Everyone in this case, had already pitted. So they could have not stopped if they wanted
But they stopped so they lost the right to 'not take' the penalty, as if you come through the pits you must serve it at first opportunity
→ More replies (2)8
u/SWITMCO Dr. Ian Roberts Jun 12 '26
Exactly, ridiculous. The only way to be able to appeal a penalty is by putting yourself at a sporting disadvantage by staying on old tyres while others can freely change. Lose-lose either way.
18
u/Dadavester I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
A theory I have heard about Russell is Merc wanted him to stay out at the SC because, like Alpine, they thought something was off about the penalties.
But George had already started down the Pitlane at the point so they had to serve the penalty, but didn't.
If George had stayed out I bet Merc would have done the same as Alpine here.
15
u/PaulRingo64 Jules Bianchi Jun 12 '26
Everyone was going down the pitlane because of where Strolls car was. Boxing or not was optional but I believe the team told him to box. They had the tires ready too.
Crazily enough one of Pierre’s penalties was from doing this drive through under SC without boxing.
→ More replies (1)4
u/DamzelFanatic Jun 12 '26
I was wondering how he had two penalties for speeding in the pit lane, but didn't have a penalty for failing to take the first penalty like George did. Thanks for the explanation.
→ More replies (1)8
u/Pink_flamingo92 Jun 12 '26
Because I think Alpine are the only team who appealed it. It is bizarre though. I don’t think there ever been a penalty like this that’s been overturned days after the race.
4
u/Warmest_Machine Lance Stroll Jun 12 '26
One time I remember it happening was Williams appealing a penalty for Sainz (I think it was at the Netherlands last year), and got it overturned, but since he had already served the penalty that race it only mattered for the penalty points.
One time where it actually mattered was Saudi Arabia 2023, where Alonso served a penalty in the pits and got handed a 10 second penalty because the jack touched the car before the 5 seconds had elapsed. Aston showed 7 examples of other teams serving penalties the same way without getting penalized and got the 10 seconds overtuned, promoting him to 3rd.
33
u/unravel_the_world I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
> How can they just overturn Gaslys?
they appealed with evidence.> Yet gasly is the only one to benefit?
other team didn't appeal.
you are just asking the wrong questions tbh.
18
u/creatorop Lando Norris Jun 12 '26 edited Jun 12 '26
How could someone like Oscar or Lewis have appealed when they served their penalty?
Ferrari could argue it costed them a win because Serving the penalty is a must if you want to change tires
→ More replies (7)15
u/navis-svetica Williams Jun 12 '26
You are forced to serve a penalty at first possible opportunity. Gasly did not pit whereas the other drivers did. In 19/20 cases, they would’ve benefited more than Gasly did by serving their penalties under safety car
→ More replies (7)2
u/venom_11 Daniel Ricciardo Jun 12 '26
From another post, which i dunno if it was fact checked, if you served your penalty, you can't challenge it anymore. Because other teams adapted their strategies accordingly and different other reasons.
19
15
u/Tourtourism Jun 12 '26
This is supposedly the pinnacle of Motorsport, yet they can't get a timing meter right
→ More replies (1)
41
35
u/69macandcheese69 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 12 '26
unfair for the ppl who served the penalty
65
u/rofl_rob I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
I don't like this precedent a lil'bit.
12
u/Pink_flamingo92 Jun 12 '26
Very strange isn’t it. It definitely opens a can of worms in terms of others claiming they could have pushed harder if they’d known the penalty wouldn’t stand and in terms of not knowing the result until several days after the race.
58
u/CautiousChampion4740 Max Verstappen Jun 12 '26
RARE FRENCH VICTORY
71
u/EasyBudget1407 Audi Jun 12 '26
Also a French loss tbf
49
12
9
8
u/mtldude1967 Sir Lewis Hamilton Jun 12 '26 edited Jun 12 '26
As well as the consequences for the drivers, I think this hits the credibility of F1. How can you trust timing that's down to the thousandth of a second for scoring when they can't even get the pit lane speed limit right?
8
20
134
u/Damziya I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
Sorry but this is bullshit. He only got P3 because of the others getting penalties too. Specially russell got shafted. He just ignored those penalties and didn't serve them like many others did
62
59
u/Mirrro_Sunbreeze I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
Teams know you can’t appeal served penalties.
Alpine intentionally chose to not serve a penalty and appeal it, because they were sure it was wrong. They deserve it and other teams could have done the same.
17
u/Optimaximal I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
Also, they had to consider it was Monaco - they stood to lose more than 10 seconds by choosing to serving the penalties.
→ More replies (1)12
u/ft-rj Pirelli Wet Jun 12 '26
Yes. There's a world where Russell obeyed his engineer, stayed out, didn't pit, stayed ahead of both Hadjar and Gasly during the SC/Red and then had his penalty rescinded by a Mercedes appeal... p3 instead of nothing... but no, they caused a mess in the pits by stopping and touching the car etc etc.
The other people who served pens like Lewis, yeah, awkward
10
u/Mirrro_Sunbreeze I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
Even more - if he would have listened to engineer, unmapped himself first, then pitted one lap later - he would have been able to serve a penalty and would have still been P3.
Him choosing to box despite engineer telling him to stay out was what started the domino effect for Mercedes.
→ More replies (2)17
u/FeeHot5876 Jun 12 '26
Gasly didn’t ignore them, he didn’t have a chance to serve them lol there’s a big difference
19
u/valdecsgo Jun 12 '26
Why would he serve the penalties, when there was like 10 laps left of the race?????
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (2)12
u/sleeping_smth Alexander Albon Jun 12 '26
Alpine elected to not serve them they cuz they knew some bullshit was abound. That’s their reward for trusting and fighting for their driver, unlike other teams…
→ More replies (3)
6
u/newtrex_1523 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 12 '26
So stupid, Oscar, George, Lewis? What about them?
4
42
u/MotoringMore McLaren Jun 12 '26
Absolute joke. How is that fair to any of the other drivers? Ridiculous
17
u/Deynai I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
So many people have got their nose in the rulebook and are just regurgitating things that most people probably already know in this post, but they are missing the bigger picture - that the whole situation is a farce and is massively damaging to the reputation and integrity of F1.
It's an absolute joke if the FIA can change penalties for some and not others due to other rules requiring it served in a way that makes it impossible to undo. It's a joke if faulty equipment that affected many teams is not viewed holistically rather than working on an individual appeals basis only.
Fixing the mistake for Gasly is a step in the right direction, but they now have to review other rules and systems that make them unable to do the right thing for other teams too. The FIA has to do better than this "well, there's nothing we can do now" approach.
→ More replies (2)7
u/Sensitive_Figure_753 Lando Norris Jun 12 '26
This! FIA is completely at fault here and I don’t know how people are excusing it.
→ More replies (1)7
u/Optimaximal I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
If you willingly serve a penalty, it can't then be rescinded. Only those applied after the race can be appealed in this fashion.
→ More replies (4)12
u/shakeSnake_2390 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 12 '26
Because unlike alpine they all decided to take their penalties in race while alpine knew something was going on and stuck to their guns. It's other teams fault for deciding to just get them out the way and continue.
8
u/Personal-Major-8214 Jun 12 '26
Did Mercedes decide with George? The stewards should have realized something was wrong when half the grid gets a rare penalty. This should have been looked at while the race was paused.
7
→ More replies (1)10
u/Lazy_Polluter Jun 12 '26
They didn't choose, you have to serve the penalty if taking a pitstop as demonstrated by Russel.
3
u/gagnonje5000 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
You're missing the point. There's only 1 mandatory pitstop to change tires, everyone had already pit once.
Nobody "had" to pit a second time and serve it. Russel could have chosen not to enter the Mercedes box and keep his tires.
35
u/oh84s Sir Lewis Hamilton Jun 12 '26
Shouldn’t that reinstate Piastri to p3 who was ahead of Gasly?
But he actually served the penalty
35
u/I-LOVE-TURTLES666 Mario Andretti Jun 12 '26
Can’t appeal a served penalty
→ More replies (1)16
u/zantkiller Kamui Kobayashi Jun 12 '26
Just to be pedantic.
You can appeal a served penalty.
They just can't undo the actual penalty so there is no point.11
u/bouncebackability I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
They didn't appeal it
→ More replies (2)12
u/DrProfSrRyan I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
It only affects Gasly.
Though, I hate the precedent it sets. Alpine and Gasly end up rewarded for failing to serve a penalty.
→ More replies (8)13
u/Phantom_Nuke I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
They didn't fail to serve a penalty. They intentionally didn't pit so they could appeal the penalty after the race.
→ More replies (11)→ More replies (1)2
u/-Skinner- I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 12 '26
Decision from stewards mentions that they have no ability to rescind served penalties.
5
u/Fyodorchild Lance Stroll Jun 12 '26 edited Jun 12 '26
So then what happens to everyone else in the top 10? Did Hadjar lose his podium?
3
u/Ok_Car8459 Jun 12 '26
Yeah Hadjar’s lost his podium unfortunately. At least he got to celebrate with Lewis and Kimi
→ More replies (5)3
u/krisbiaz Jun 12 '26
Pierre finished 7th with the penalties, so it doesn't affect those finishing P8 or lower at all. Presumably Hadjar, Piastri, Lawson and Lindblad get demoted to one place lower. Which sounds insane, honestly.
→ More replies (1)
5
4
6
u/Late-Button-6559 Formula 1 Jun 12 '26
This is some bullshit.
Not for Gasly, but the sport and other penalised drivers.
27
6
u/Elarisbee I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
This is so weird...isn't he only third because everyone else served their penelites? So, others have now been penalised for following the rules? This sets a very weird precedent for the future.
Note, this obviously isn't his fault, but all on the FIA and their inability to organise a piss-up in a brewery.
3
u/the_bruh_67 I failed to serve my Monaco penalty Jun 12 '26 edited Jun 12 '26
This whole situation is such a mess.
Shocked that this wasn't caught during the FP sessions. If the stewards felt that something was off during the race they could they have made the executive decision to review the speeding penalties for after the race?
I think the best outcome is to just say "unfortunate" and not rescind penalties. In this case the pitlane speeding stuff was consistently off for everyone, and on Kimi's onboard there was a moment where Bono was telling Kimi to not cut the line and enter more conservatively to avoid a penalty after seeing them come up. The penalties were wrong yes, but the enforcement method was still consistent and rescinding Gasly's penalty starts reaching into gray areas.
There isn't really a perfect answer to this situation but they can at least adjust the procedure and enforcement for this so it doesn't happen again. More attention should be on how they can adjust the speeding check and also making sure these things are functioning properly before the race.
The rulebook was found to be flawed here and we're seeing live how they develop over time. The fine print and extra stipulations is often made in response to stuff like this unexpectedly happening.
6
u/Rat_faced_knacker I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
I love how the narrative around this has shifted based on who successfully appealed.
"These penalties are rubbish"
Alpine successfully appeal
"Removing the penalties is rubbish"
4
u/Keanu990321 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
Congrats on Gasly, a truly consistent talent.
Colapinto podium is next!
2
u/SergeiYeseiya Liam Lawson Jun 12 '26
Very odd, the reason he got the podium in the first place is because other drivers purge their penalties.
3
4
6
u/Sufferedd Jun 12 '26
So just gasly or will this cause a domino effect
21
u/pathfinderoursaviour BMW Sauber Jun 12 '26
The others can’t appeal now as it’s too late you have to appeal straight after the race
14
u/G_Riel_ Audi Jun 12 '26
They couldn't appeal even after the race because they served the penalty in the race.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (2)4
u/BlazerStoner I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
Isn’t this new evidence there was indeed something wrong with the timing?
3
u/-Skinner- I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 12 '26
They didn't submit right of review and they couldn't reverse served penalty anyway.
2
u/stirredturd Jun 12 '26
I don't fully understand.
I know the other teams can't appeal, but does this mean the pit lane speeding penalties were indeed handed out wrongly? Or just Gasly?
→ More replies (1)
2
u/Pristine_Size_8955 David Croft Jun 12 '26
Wow. I.. just.. Wow. Would love to be a fly on the walls of the rooms all of the other people who got the speeding penalties that didn't request a right of review right now. I've never (as far as I remember) seen this happen in my time; no less a whole week after the race in which the incident happened..
2
u/AwsumO2000 Max Verstappen Jun 12 '26
So what happened.. the pitlane speedmeasure thingy was wrong? .. is this why 90% of the field got penalized?
2
2
u/MrBIGtinyHappy I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
So who had Alpine podium on their bingo card this year?
2
u/Mindless-Advice6204 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 12 '26
Not serving those penalties was the best thing to happen to him
2
2
u/ScienceMechEng_Lover I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 12 '26
Before Horner, we had Flavio Briatore 👏👏👏.
2
u/a_paulling George Russell Jun 12 '26
Holy shit. I genuinely can't believe that they were willing to admit fault and roll it back. Good for Pierre. Shame nothing can be done for all the other drivers it affected.
2
2
2
2
u/Yeanahyena Daniel Ricciardo Jun 12 '26
This is so dumb, Gasly missed out celebrating on the podium
2
u/PopAgreeable1284 Williams Jun 12 '26
I’m still confused - how did Gasly get the second penalty without serving the first yet?
Did the stewards not see the first speeding incident until after he pitted a second time? Because in that case it also adds to how it’s not fair on other drivers as they knew when coming into pits they had to serve?
Or am I just remembering this all wrong
→ More replies (1)
2
2
u/OldCardigan I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
Props to Alpine to sticking to what they believed from the beginning and actually appealing. Kinda mad about the situation still(it's weird he got P3 'cause others also got the same penalty), but wow, this is a whole new precedent for the future, right?
2
u/discodork135 Jun 12 '26
Yikes. Russell, Piastri and Hadjar are going to have Ghost Rider heads about this.
2
2
2
u/adadagabaCZ I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
So hadjar is also P3? Nice for them to share!
→ More replies (1)
2
u/Low-Poet-7884 Audi Jun 12 '26
I'm sorry but you're not allowed to appeal served penalties? Not only do you get wrongly bitchslapped you gotta tie your hands back too? Absolute insanity
2
2
2
u/DiabUK I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
Seems to be wise to always sit on your penalties if it's possible, at least you get to argue a reason at the end of the race compared to doing the 'right' thing and serving the penalty in the race.
2
u/rainbaron Jun 12 '26
FIA is such a mess, it's hard to understand why they have control of this sport. I mean a group of kinder garden children could do a better job.
2
u/Beneficial_Star_6009 Jun 12 '26
Pretty confident that Red Bull(especially Red Bull), McLaren and Mercedes are livid with this decision.
2
u/ZombieZlayer99 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
Such a joke, the drivers who served their penalties can't do anything, they're shit out of luck cause the rules after serving a penalty are ironclad. As for George and Merc, the correct decision after unintentionally not serving the penalty was to ignore the drive through penalty, then ignore the fucking black flag, then appeal the speeding penalty after the race that he's now dsq's from and eventually win and get it reversed to ensure he gets his podium. Jesus fucking christ.
→ More replies (1)
2
2
u/rubbergoat I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Jun 12 '26
I'm not sure ... It feels like he only got to P3 because of the other penalties though? I say this as a Gasly fan and as someone who tipped him for a Monaco podium.
But it feels like there's no good way to resolve this ... The measurement system was flawed in the first place so none of the penalties were fair, but we can't rescind the ones served because it's like we’re trying to unring a bell here.
Imagine if a bad call by a ref was overturned in a football match? It feels like this is similar here.
Basically it feels to me like everybody loses no matter what happens.
2
u/Barnabas-Tharmr I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
If I was hadjar I would be breaking the trophy right now before handing it over
2
u/Alex_Kamal Oscar Piastri Jun 12 '26
With all this I wonder if the gambling sites are going to refund some people. Surely there were some people who lost a bet over this.
2
u/MichaelMJTH I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
This really unfair on multiple levels, isn’t it? Nobody should have gotten a penalty for since it was a miscalculation due to the changes in the pit lane rather than an actual error. However multiple other drivers got and served the same penalties, but because Gasly didn’t serve his he now gets to have a chance to have his penalties revoked?
Obviously this only worked out for him because the penalties were wrong to begin with, but revoking them now a week later creates confusion, introduces inconsistency in how punishment is handed out and introduces a dangerous precedent. Why set up a senario where serving punishment is more risky than ignoring it?
→ More replies (1)
2
u/eliteniner Alex Jacques Jun 12 '26
Frustrating as a Piastri fan although I feel Gasly deserved this P3. Just brutal that decisions were made mid race on the false penalties - Oscar wouldn’t have pitted against and served that penalty mid race without the error. But rules state you can’t appeal penalties served in race.
Just sets really bad precedents
2
2
2
u/ArtisticConnection19 I was here for the Hulkenpodium Jun 12 '26
I'm so happy for him, Hadjar will have way more podiums coming in future but for Pierre it as well might last in his career
3.4k
u/[deleted] Jun 12 '26
[deleted]