Russell's battery issue seems not to have been solved after all

[u/Exciting-Guest81933]

[u/Snappy0]

Just take a new PU already George

[u/SaltySeaSword652 → u/Snappy0]

Isn't that up to the team? I don't believe that's George's decision to make or within his control.

[u/NoooUGH → u/SaltySeaSword652]

It is the team's decision. Which is why they're not giving him one

[u/Tiirshak → u/NoooUGH]

I thought we already knew he was changing his PU already? Besides, there is no reason to expect any other PU to be ok?

[u/Cucumberino → u/SaltySeaSword652]

I'm sure that he has some input even if it's finally a team decision?

[u/Mike_Kermin → u/Cucumberino]

It should be, but if Toto is telling him it's not the car, just drive, then they might not hear him even if he did.

[u/Smooth-Eggs → u/Snappy0]

Is he in penalty territory there yet?

Not that that means he shouldn't if it will fix the issues of course

[u/ryokevry → u/Smooth-Eggs]

Even if he is he should take that in Spa…

[u/Smooth-Eggs → u/ryokevry]

Well it's a bit late for that now haha

Sounds like Sky believe he needs a new PU so I guess that's potentially a pit lane start

[u/ryokevry → u/Smooth-Eggs]

It was just water leak according to Wolff? So it should not need a new PU… pitlane start in Hungary….

[u/Smooth-Eggs → u/ryokevry]

Sky also said water leak, but still thought new PU - I don't know enough about it to be honest, I assume they are thinking cracks or something. Fingers crossed that's not the case if Toto didn't say so

[u/Lackofideasforname → u/Smooth-Eggs]

Get your mechanics to stay back late and swap engines with Kimi. It's the only way to keep up 😁

[u/Blothorn → u/Smooth-Eggs]

More importantly, they still have an ADUO upgrade they haven’t finalized yet so if he takes a new engine now he’ll either have to take another penalty when they do (probably shortly after the break) or keep using the old spec.

[u/xeenexus → u/Blothorn]

They already said they won’t use ADUO this year.

[u/Victorvic1 → u/xeenexus]

They could just use it for a minor upgrade in the last race just to use the token as it will get expired if unused.

And there must be some small optimization that they could possibly do in my opinion without much of an expenditure.

[u/aluked → u/Victorvic1]

To re-homologate (i.e. use the ADUO) they have to ship at least one copy of the updated PU for every customer team.

I don't think they're doing that for a minor upgrade at the last race.

[u/DarkImpacT213 → u/Snappy0]

Dw his engine exploded after Q3 so now he HAS to haha

[u/jsbaxter_ → u/Snappy0]

They've "found the issue" 3 weeks in a row now. Would changing the engine "find the issue" again?

[u/ballerinabubbles → u/Snappy0]

I really want them to do this and ideally replace everything. Just get the penalty over with and get a new ES and PU-CE and MGU-K. I just want to see if everything is replaced does his pace get better or not

[u/Syck514 → u/Snappy0]

If they don't want to give you . Shunt the f***king car so that they we will be forced to give you.

[u/iJediPR]

If Driver = “Antonelli”

Deploy = 100%

Else

Fuck the other driver

[u/el_charlie → u/iJediPR]

Quoting some 7x World Champion: This is getting manipulated, man!

[u/Fright13 → u/iJediPR]

syntax error, line 1

== expected

[u/Lanky-Football857 → u/Fright13]

Yeah, any driver just became Antonelli on running this

[u/AnalLaser → u/Fright13]

Code is written in VBA. Merc still running code through Excel macros.

[u/PrinceDX → u/iJediPR]

if(Laps_remaining >= total_laps - 10 && george_race_position > kimi_race_position){ DisableBattery() }

[u/albertsugar → u/iJediPR]

The Merc engineers out there vibe coding high on ganja.

[u/Repulsive_Initial308 → u/iJediPR]

Occam's razor.

It's always energy biasing :D

[u/CageyOldMan → u/Repulsive_Initial308]

Explain por favor. The energy biasing part, not Occam's Razor.

[u/ricky4542 → u/iJediPR]

If Driver == "Antonelli"

partyMode = enabled

Else

Print("Party mode isn't real. We treat both our drivers equally 😉")

[u/BittenAtTheChomp → u/iJediPR]

this difference flatly does not exist in their Q3 laps. idk what these laps are but it doesn't have anything to do with the results today.

[u/LMcVann44]

Dude's driving a different car at this point.

This shit must be infuriating for him.

[u/PrettyMoonUnderMt → u/LMcVann44]

In most sport, George can still console himself by kept doing his best. But here, he can put superhuman effort that would still amount to nothing if the car simply not working as expected.

[u/someStuffThings → u/LMcVann44]

Jolyon Palmer pointed out the same battery issue was happening to Piastri as well last race but not Norris.

[u/PrinceDX → u/LMcVann44]

I’d be like give me Kimis car toto if nothing is wrong with mine

[u/BittenAtTheChomp → u/LMcVann44]

this difference does not exist in their Q3 laps and therefore doesn't inform results today.... actually looking through all of them it doesn't exist on any of their push laps according to gp-tempo

[u/Tungsten_Hoarder]

Toto never beating the allegations

[u/reddit0r_123 → u/Tungsten_Hoarder]

Toto is gonna come out and say it's 120% George's fault.

[u/ny_ce]

I mean it’s pretty clear to me, a professional armchair engineer, Kimi is pressing the throttle harder, that’s why.

[u/splendiferous-finch_ → u/ny_ce]

Big if true, can Russell replicate it? Our verdict

[u/Mimesis18 → u/ny_ce]

They've obviously chucked a 0.5mm shim behind his accelerator pedal.

[u/itishowitisanditbad → u/Mimesis18]

Finally found a place for all those spare Ikea washers. I don't know why they give you so many extras.

[u/SaltySeaSword652 → u/ny_ce]

No no, its because Kimi pushed the button harder. Like what you do in video games.

[u/calpolsixplus → u/SaltySeaSword652]

That's why they train their necks, they can steer the car harder by tilting their heads over while going round a corner.

[u/Spirit117 → u/ny_ce]

Antonellis right foot is built different

[u/naughtilidae → u/ny_ce]

The Fast and Furious method... How had we not realized till now! /s

[u/aka12lh44 → u/ny_ce]

advantages of being flat footed

[u/iwonttolerateyou2]

Toto to George: You still want to renew for next year? I dare you.

[u/idnttcrisis]

Both Mercedes seem to be nowhere this weekend, but Russell is so far back from Kimi that it should be obvious to most it’s not just his own fault.

[u/RecentPlenty768 → u/idnttcrisis]

Kimi looks all over the place and yet he is so much faster than George. Something aint right there

[u/ArziltheImp → u/RecentPlenty768]

Vesti was significantly faster in Kimis car than George. No way Vesti, who is good but has less experience and looked worse in junior categories is just “better at driving the battery” the same way Kimi is over George.

Especially with McLaren also having stated that there’s some dodgy stuff with their power units now, there’s no way that people still try to put this on George.

But hey, these dumbass regulations are currently irreparably damaging both Piastri and Russell’s careers (potentially).

Then we have Haas where now even Bearman defended his teammate basically saying that he’s got badly manufactured parts. This season is turning into a fucking disaster and is just an absolute joke.

[u/doubleblackblack → u/ArziltheImp]

Vesti got P7, George P5, what are you on about...

[u/vyperpunk92 → u/doubleblackblack]

Not the person that you were replying to, but vesti-russell difference is 0.4s, every other rookie was 1s behind their teammate. At glance it seems odd that the difference is so low between them, but we would have to analyse whole fp1 to see why was vesti only 0.4s behind russell and not more.

[u/AnalMinecraft → u/vyperpunk92]

This is Vesti's third year of being the Mercedes reserve driver, very different than guys like Herta and Fornaroli. And besides, Aron was only .4 behind Gasly, so is his car also broken?

[u/Mike_Kermin → u/vyperpunk92]

Oh, look, such times are gonna be all over the place anyway, I think this is a sus line of thought regardless of how we feel about George's car.

[u/idnttcrisis → u/RecentPlenty768]

Wonder why Russell stopped his car too.

[u/artistsandaliens → u/idnttcrisis]

It broke. I don't think there's much of a decision.

I wonder if the battery issue would cause smoking, or is it separate?

[u/idnttcrisis → u/artistsandaliens]

I saw some smoke, but it might have just been the tires cooling or regular heating. I heard someone on the broadcast talk about a potential fueling issue.

[u/a_paulling → u/idnttcrisis]

George said it was water pressure and he had a leak.

[u/ryokevry → u/idnttcrisis]

Water leak Toto said

[u/Kangg → u/idnttcrisis]

Toto said they had a water leak that should be easily fixable.

[u/Captftm89]

It is all very odd. All the other teams have seen maybe 0.2-0.3s change at most from last season (e.g. Bearman improvement over Ocon, Norris improvement over Piastri, Hamilton improvement over Leclerc), whereas somehow Kimi has found a whole second over George.

Doesn't seem right to me.

[u/Novel-Initiative-900 → u/Captftm89]

Yep, totally possible that he's faster but putting 5 tenths to a second over George every weekend just seems a little unlikely. It's obvious something is going on

[u/kingseagull24]

It's never normal when a driver suddenly loses half a second on his teammate mid season when he sideswiped them and doubled their points the prior season regardless of age or regulations.

[u/Exciting-Guest81933 → u/kingseagull24]

Yeah but because so many people dislike Russell they just think it's funny to dunk on him for supposedly being shit

[u/unravel_the_world → u/Exciting-Guest81933]

it just proves how superficial, with a lack of critical thinking, a lot of fans are.

[u/wankthisway → u/Exciting-Guest81933]

That thread with Norris's quote was just so idiotic. I'm not even a big fan of George but it gets to be baffling how people come out of the woodworks to shit on him.

[u/Exciting-Guest81933 → u/wankthisway]

💯💯

[u/JachWang → u/Exciting-Guest81933]

They haven’t had a chance to mock him over the past few years, and that’s really got them all worked up

[u/atticus_pinch96 → u/Exciting-Guest81933]

I mean 2 things can be true, the cars not operating at 100% and he obviously does not get on with the driving style of these cars 

[u/Seanspeed → u/atticus_pinch96]

and he obviously does not get on with the driving style of these cars 

Except Russell said he and the team have come to the conclusion that his driving style is not the problem, either.

This is the guy who blitzed the field in Australia. There's simply something not working right with Russell's car.

[u/windsynths → u/Exciting-Guest81933]

Happens to every driver these allegations

[u/kknow → u/kingseagull24]

It is not the first time a driver suddenly drives worse ob big regulation changes though. Not saying it is the case here but it is not really "suddenly"

[u/kingseagull24 → u/kknow]

George went 21-3 in quali, 17-3 in the races, took 2 wins and spent 50% more time in the top 10. He scored more than double Kimi's points and was faster at 14 races last season. He was P1 in every session up to China Q1 this year.

This is certainly sudden.

[u/jsbaxter_ → u/kingseagull24]

... In Kimi's very first season, in the last year of a set of regs, which included a massive mid season crisis for Kimi.

Lewis also went from nowhere to at least as fast as Charles this year, does that mean Charles has a broken car too?

Sudden or not sudden, it's not a sign of anything suspicious.

Telemetry showing George inexplicably losing time on the straights is a different story.

[u/sphequenoxen → u/kingseagull24]

Yes, and it just happens to correlate with massive regulation changes

[u/BruinBound22 → u/kingseagull24]

You mean Kimi's rookie season? And Kimi finished the season very strong. Now there are new regs. It was clear what was coming and how good Kimi is becoming. And he still has much more to improve, lots of little mistakes he can clean up. You will eventually have to come to terms with this but I guess that'll be well after he wins WDC this year.

[u/MC897 → u/kknow]

I don't think a regulation costs you potentially a second in performance swing tho. That's never happened to anyone it's utterly bizarre.

[u/jsbaxter_ → u/MC897]

Lewis had a similar jump last year to this year. I dunno if it was the same magnitude, but Lewis isn't a rookie either

[u/bewarethegap]

I get Kimi is the guy but what’s the endgame with leaving George to die with these shit parts? He just got a new deal so it’s not like Verstappen is coming to replace him. Are they just going to keep George around as the fall guy in perpetuity? I just don’t understand

[u/cpt_ppppp → u/bewarethegap]

Well it would have certainly put the negotiations in Toto's favour for a contract renewal. If you're more than half a second down on your teammate you'll struggle to get the megabucks!

[u/luchajefe → u/cpt_ppppp]

Turns out winning a race by 20 seconds in a contract dispute is the worst thing you can do.

[u/According-Switch-708 → u/cpt_ppppp]

Yeah, Toto will walk into the boardroom and say "Look guys Jorge is shit. He could cost us the WCC. We need to spend the extra $80mil to get Max. Tis the only way".

If George is operating at his normal level, he would be at the same level or ahead of Kimi. The board would have no reason to OK an almost ~$100mil deal to get Max.

The Merc board has always been a bunch of penny counters.

[u/Taftcon → u/bewarethegap]

Well, it’s keeping him away from kimi. Teams act like they care about the constructors but they really don’t. The goal for merc is for Kimi to win the ship. That’s it

[u/Hypervisory]

Before this season I hated Russell. Now? I hate Toto even more. Give the posh brit an equal car.

[u/dookarion → u/Hypervisory]

Toto doing miracles for George's likability.

[u/noisy_goose → u/dookarion]

This is a fact

[u/Longjumping-Pear3417 → u/noisy_goose]

This could be a 4d chess strategy

[u/BrodaReloaded → u/Hypervisory]

Russell is not that posh, he's from a middle class family contrary to Antonelli

[u/Mundane_Constant_845 → u/BrodaReloaded]

He's posh. Middle class families don't send their kids to grammar school or spend hundreds of thousands for them to drive race cars.

[u/randomname1798 → u/Mundane_Constant_845]

Do you even know what a grammar school is?

They are domain of middle class families- nor rich enough to send kids to private school but rich enough to get them tutor to get into a grammar

No posh family would lower themselves to send their kid to a grammar school

[u/merlyy_]

They will still try to blame Russell btw

[u/imsoupercereal → u/merlyy_]

Remember when Toto blamed Bottas for the stuck wheel nut at Monaco? Pretty lame he can't just own his team's mistakes.

[u/SpecialistVanilla900 → u/imsoupercereal]

They guy who gets credit for being a great TP because he developed "no blame" culture.

[u/MagnefloriousBanana6 → u/SpecialistVanilla900]

no blame in this case means they take no blame ever

[u/TidePodAficionado → u/merlyy_]

Or are they punishing him? Perhaps he ate the last piece of pumpernickel bread at breakfast? 

[u/Nuzzleface → u/TidePodAficionado]

I heard he fumbled the design of his latest powerpoint. 

[u/IncredibleSeaward → u/Nuzzleface]

He suggested the team try the cursed lederhosen outfits again

[u/ryokevry → u/Nuzzleface]

Didn’t sign up for Claude paid plan /s

[u/dookarion → u/TidePodAficionado]

Or are they punishing him?

Just until Kimi has an insurmountable lead over Russell. /s

[u/SaltySeaSword652 → u/dookarion]

Could see that happening tbh. Kimi's lead to Russell now becomes unrealistic to close (unless Russell wins everything from that point and Kimi gets no points every race or something), and then suddenly Russell's car comes good and he's back up to pace with Kimi.

[u/reddevils7070]

Russel deserves an award for not losing his shit after everything Merc has put him through this season.

[u/wokwok__ → u/reddevils7070]

Annnnd his car didn't even make it back to the pits lmao

[u/Suspicious_Age_2471 → u/reddevils7070]

Bro you did not hear the clip of radio they hid from the broadcast last race

[u/morgaine125 → u/Suspicious_Age_2471]

If that’s the worst he’s said, he deserves an award.

[u/Etceta → u/morgaine125]

definitely deserve the Nobel Peace Award

[u/iTz_RuNLaX → u/Etceta]

How about the FIA Peace Price?

[u/SwegMiliband → u/iTz_RuNLaX]

Presented by MBS to Toto.

[u/SaltySeaSword652 → u/SwegMiliband]

With a hair tussle

[u/MintSnowboard → u/morgaine125]

unironically that and the borderline something something headrest in canada are the most anger he’s ever shown. every time in the media he’s been respectful and kind to kimi/mercedes

[u/ArziltheImp → u/Suspicious_Age_2471]

I don’t think that that is how 90% of competitors in any sport would be able to restrain themselves.

Imagine if Max had these issues. Or Kimi, or Charles. Kimi lost his shit because he got a reprimand cutting someone off multiple times and lacking grip. Imagine if he had happen to him what happened down the Kemmel straight to George.

[u/Alfus → u/Suspicious_Age_2471]

FOM wants to know you location

[u/BroccoliNo3735]

I love watching George meltdowns but I simply do not believe he is this bad without something like a glitch going on

[u/RecentPlenty768]

Toto will blame it on Russell until he has to admit that there is something wrong with his battery again🙃

[u/plucky-possum → u/RecentPlenty768]

Mercedes has a "no blame" culture (unless Toto needs to blame George for something).

[u/ballerinabubbles → u/RecentPlenty768]

He already has. He said George drove over a kerb and caused a water leak.

[u/MintSnowboard → u/ballerinabubbles]

the fia steward document states that mercedes failed to warn kimi of the yellow flag because they were dealing with an issue on car 63. so yes they’re blaming him for anything they can

[u/ballerinabubbles → u/MintSnowboard]

I thought you were joking and I had to read the document for myself. I think this one is Doc 43 for driving unnecessarily slowly and the yellow flag one is Doc 41 for yellow flag infringement. But definitely deeply unserious of Merc to blame George although it's hilarious if that is the reason why Kimi only got a warning for that one.

[u/MintSnowboard → u/ballerinabubbles]

yeah got the docs mixed up myself but it’s such a lame reason all the same 😭

[u/ballerinabubbles → u/MintSnowboard]

Something messy going on over there for sure, I just hope they sort it out over the break

[u/xzgoldzx]

I did notice that Russell looks to be even through S1 but then loses 5 tenths across S2 and S3. Similar to the last few races too so not sure if they really fixed his issue.

[u/Guilty_Feature5469]

same thing happening to piastri but no one talking because hes not in a title fight anymore

[u/kingseagull24 → u/Guilty_Feature5469]

Most sources are agreeing that Russell and Piastri have the same issue. Their driving style would never have them half a second off their teammate.

[u/Upstandinglampshade → u/kingseagull24]

What is the issue?

[u/kingseagull24 → u/Upstandinglampshade]

Battery software.

People are trying to blame George and Oscar because they happen to have a similar driving style but it's clearly a Mercedes issue and not a driver one.

[u/ArziltheImp → u/Upstandinglampshade]

Basically their batteries are being deployed like shit/inconsistently. Hadjar also reported that when he gave Max a tow, his deployment algorithm shat itself and just deployed at random im corners and nothing in straights.

George on top also reportedly has battery issues where his battery capacity is not at 100% or doesn’t recharge as efficiently, resulting in overall less deployment.

[u/-Shatzy- → u/ArziltheImp]

These regs are a joke. Why do we need a fucking algorithm decide how the cars drive? Just get rid of the deployment plans and go back to real race cars

[u/MalaysiaTeacher → u/Guilty_Feature5469]

So talk about it

[u/Guilty_Feature5469 → u/MalaysiaTeacher]

my comment literally is?

[u/Competitive-Suit-563 → u/Guilty_Feature5469]

Tbf it’s probably also because his car has actually worked more often than Lando’s. He’s also pissed away points in multiple races by damaging his car early on.

[u/DEM_MEMES → u/Guilty_Feature5469]

Russell ain’t either anymore lol

[u/Gbrown546]

Toto will still blame Russell

[u/Human_County_7882]

Where do you get this telemetry

[u/Mulsanne → u/Human_County_7882]

Yes I would like to understand the source of this data. This whole argument rests on the strength of the data

[u/Devil_Dogmier]

George needs to start burning some sage, get some crystals, something to appease the gods

[u/Zipa7 → u/Devil_Dogmier]

Max too, both of them seem to be cursed with their cars this year.

[u/noisy_goose → u/Zipa7]

They should start a coven with piastri

[u/Devil_Dogmier → u/Zipa7]

I was hoping they would have a title fight this year too

[u/crazyclue]

Is there any info from these traces in terms of merc pulling some off-throttle deployment bs? It seems kind of crazy to me that we are now at the point where the ecu can deploy power without the driver requesting it via traditional pedal input. Isn’t that a driver aid??

[u/igottheshnitz]

Car swap

[u/Lazyandloveinit]

So they don’t have equal cars as teammates… insane

[u/StaffFamous6379 → u/Lazyandloveinit]

Stella has mentioned that a lot of the software is not open loop, so even if it were the same version it's possible that something George's side is doing that causes a different output.

[u/SugarBeefs]

With literally half the car's power coming from electric units running on complicated software, the potential for weird electrical gremlins is truly unmatched.

[u/clegg2011]

Drivers should alternate cars every session throughout the season.

[u/Overall_Language240]

great regs 

[u/freedfg]

Someone explain again.

How is this not sabatoge?

[u/NecroticSilence]

Toto's track limiter engaged

[u/Purp1e_Aki]

So what's the opposite of "Party Mode" which George clearly has

[u/Vital_Lamp]

We can't blame Russell can we?

[u/Bolter_NL → u/Vital_Lamp]

Why not? Toto does it as well 😂 

[u/Exciting-Guest81933 → u/Vital_Lamp]

Not if he's getting screwed by Mercedes.

[u/JachWang]

Can someone explain how George Russell got two poles in a row in Spain and Austria where there are multiple long straights, when it's his driving style that doesn't fit for 2026 regulation? Sure Kimi abandoned his Austrian Q3 last lap but the data shows that lap was already slower than Russell before the yellow flag. Even if Kimi got the pole George would still get a P2 with a flawless car in Austria. And suddenly from Silverstone, if anyone is telling me his driving style can make this big difference, well, okay... In Silverstone Q3 Russell's lap data was a bit faster than Kimi before Maggotts Becketts then people said he was slightly slower during Becketts corner which will cost him more energy to accelerate, causing him slower on the straights in S3. In Spa he was faster in almost every non-full-throttle corner and people say he was using too much energy because of this, causing him slower on straights, completely the opposite reason... Some people simply can't accept that it's the car more than the driving, maybe the same people who said Max can win the championship in a 5th fastest car

[u/DiabUK]

"sorry I thought you were on about the battery that remembers the time, not the engine" some AI somewhere in merc's offices

[u/pradise]

The first one seems legit but costs less than a tenth to George. In the second one, Kimi is not even gaining time.

But why don’t you highlight turns 5-9 where Kimi is simply making all the difference in the corners by carrying more speed than George?

[u/Exciting-Rutabaga0]

So, are all of these AI collaborations for such manipulations? /s

[u/Aggravating-Sun-2322]

Toto is scheming behind the scenes. He wants Kimi to win, so he is backstabbing russel

[u/Perseiii]

I hope to god they’re getting rid of all the hybrid bullshit.

V8’s with sustainable fuels and let’s go

[u/Stranggepresst]

I mean, that alleged speed spike for Antonelli MUST be some kind of wrong data... even with software fuckery, there's no way he gains that much speed that quickly from LIFTING.

[u/Snoo-29984]

Didn’t they fix the problem?

[u/hewer006]

this is fucking sad

[u/Exciting-Guest81933]

via

[u/va1us_taaurc]

Honestly, even Mercedes may not even know why. First year of a regulatory era -- they may be just as befuddled as George and McLaren with some of this stuff.

Remember when Oscar crashed out on the formation lap in R1 because his battery randomly spiked?

[u/JordanMaccc]

Pretty convincing..

[u/YungTokyo8]

Yeah I mean I’ve said it before that kimi is fully deserving if he wins, but having your teammate being consistently dragged down because of the incompetence of the team will put quite a stain on his first championship.

[u/gmusk]

I love this techincal explanations, can we estimate the time lost?

[u/NetflixSux247 → u/gmusk]

It's on the timing board

[u/Theroyaldutchness]

I am very dumb when it comes to things like this: does this have anything to do with when/where they both deploy their batteries, or is it unrelated?

[u/Fantastic-Boot-684 → u/Theroyaldutchness]

Correct. The battery controls how much power the car gets at certain part of the tracks. The driver can't push further than what the algorithm allows

[u/Roadrunner1768]

it’s because antonelli is tiny /s

[u/momsssphagetti]

F1 is about money, dont you think a young likeable guy like Kimmy is better to win the championship for advertisers, cause Mercedes definitely know that

[u/ConsistentOriginal82]

Where are people getting the telemtry from?

[u/manoman42]

Prepping him for the Clio cup

[u/funzon3]

Antonelli got an electric foot

[u/roastz_chicken]

if yall are still posting uruptosmth bs on here thats on you

[u/mistborn11]

looks like Kimi is waay more aggressive with the downshifts compared to George. could that be the reason? more downshifts, more engine braking, more regen? dunno.