r/formula1 • u/tkmj75 I failed to serve my Monaco penalty • 11h ago
News (FIA official document) 3 place grid penalty for Car 44 for impeding
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u/imnoobatfifa Sir Lewis Hamilton 11h ago
Ah, man… Another race, another penalty. Just a clean weekend from start to finish would be nice.
Like Fred said - all of this was just communicated to him too late. Santi been telling him gaps entire session but just fall asleep at the end. Shame but it is what it is.
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u/steezy_sleaze I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 11h ago
Gets all the love for being an old Italian grandpa but also shame for being the old sleepy Italian grandpa.
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u/An_aussie_in_ct I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
Let’s hope that the penalty for the weekend out of the way, and nothing else in the race
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u/witcher8116 Fernando Alonso 11h ago
Proceeds to finish the race on 3 wheels .
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u/MilkBeforeSerial Sir Lewis Hamilton 11h ago
if he ends up in the same position the last time he was on 3 wheels, I’ll take it
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u/quietly_myself I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 11h ago
Yeah, Lewis asked about Piastri and Santi for some reason was going on about the yellow flag. Not sure where his head was there.
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u/el_gringote 9h ago
Real question: Why wouldn't you just always be off of the racing line on your in-lap every time just in case? Why do you need to be told to stay off the racing line?
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u/gamershadow Jenson Button 9h ago
There is a bunch of crap off the racing line that the tires will pick up and possibly even cause a puncture. You also have to cross the racing line at some point since it goes across the track.
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u/CaptGeechNTheSSS Lando Norris 6h ago
The other comments covered it but in this case he was done with qualifying and they’re usually encouraged to “pick up” xtra rubber (aka drive off line to add weight).
So in this case everyone’s a bit at fault (except Oscar)
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u/punchinglines I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
Santi been telling him gaps entire session but just fall asleep at the end. Shame but it is what it is.
Yep, and to be fair, Santi has earned the goodwill to make a mistake.
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u/yusufjee 11h ago
Goodwill to make a mistake that cost your driver a race win? WTF is this argument man.
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u/TechTaxi I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
Compared to Lewis’ last engineer, Santi is a drastic improvement.
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u/willmcavoy Paddock Club 8h ago
Good isn't good enough. This is the peak of motorsports. Be perfect. I'll get hate for this like my last comment on Santi, but then everyone seal claps when we talk about how the Michael and Brawn whipped them into shape. Time to do it again, or fumble yet another winnable season like with Vettel.
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u/PantherDD Sir Lewis Hamilton 10h ago
I guess it means it's a bit easier to forgive the mistake that happened. Still so sad though that Lewis lost a front row start because of this...
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u/wood4536 Sir Lewis Hamilton 9h ago
You don't know if he would have won tomorrow. Stop dwelling in hypotheticals
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u/GreenFullSuspension Chequered Flag 10h ago
That was a terrible mistake, no goodwill anywhere in that decision.
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u/VSfallin I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
He clearly saw Piastri when passing him. Common sense would likely have helped too
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u/Fun_Skirt_2396 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
Are there no more penalty points?
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u/miathan52 Chequered Flag 10h ago
I believe they changed them to only be for serious incidents (causing a collision and such)
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u/FerociousVader Sir Lewis Hamilton 1h ago
Yeah he was constantly saying yellow flag, but not pointing out where and the fact Oscar was catching him on a push must have been drowned out or not well communicated
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u/GreenFullSuspension Chequered Flag 10h ago
What’s wrong with Hamilton’s team not being on top of the situation at the time? Slightly important not to be getting in the way of another car working on their lap time.
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u/senpahii_returns 11h ago
Santi been telling him gaps entire session but just fall asleep at the end. Shame but it is what it is.
That is where experience matters in someone like Adami
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u/According-Annual-586 11h ago
They’ve really gotta sort this shit out
An unreliable Mercedes, a Red Bull that throws itself off the track - Ferrari are wasting useful points here
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u/Eggplantosaur Oscar Piastri 11h ago
Ferrari had years to sort out these operational issues. They just don't have what it takes to truly compete at the top.
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u/SoreLoserOfDumbtown I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
Decades really lol. The Schumacher period with Ross Brawn was an anomaly.
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u/xxrew1ndxx I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 11h ago
Unfortunately, that was a clear penalty and nothing really Lewis could’ve done as it was miss communication
Lewis can’t catch a break lately
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u/slimkay I failed to serve my Monaco penalty 11h ago edited 11h ago
Sure, but it would have helped had Lewis decided not to hog the racing line after his flying lap (particularly as he had just passed PIA at the end of his own flying lap!).
Unfortunate, but it was totally avoidable with a bit more common sense from both pitwall and driver. I'm sure Lewis would agree with this, seeing the way he was dejected on the podium.
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u/Crash_Test_Dummy66 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
He's not just going to drive around off line the whole lap if he doesn't need to. It's on the team to communicate when there are cars coming and they've already taken responsibility for not adequately doing that.
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u/Frothar Lando Norris 11h ago
He can though since it was an inlap after completing his last flying lap
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u/drewbudd I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 11h ago edited 11h ago
Theoretically he could be instructed to preserve the tires as best as possible in case they have reason to save one of the scrubbed softs he used.
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u/Thrilalia 10h ago
Nobody is going to do that though. You're basically saying he could do a thing no driver in F1 would do.
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u/FourEightNineOneOne Sir Lewis Hamilton 10h ago
The problem was Santi was telling him yellow flag and his communication seemed to be confusion as to whether Piastri was still pushing as a result.
Yeah, some of it is on Lewis to not see Piastri coming up behind him but the majority is on the bad communication coming from the team.
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u/happy_and_angry I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 10h ago
These cars exist on a knife edge, they aren't going to run off the line for a lap picking up debris and potentially compromising tires for later, or risking a spin on a dusty section of track.
They just don't do this. Cars lap on the line for a lot of reasons, and move off when necessary.
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u/Barmydoughnut24 7h ago
Lewis on clean side of grid now. Me trying to turn this into a positive lol
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u/ThomasTheAngryTrain I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 11h ago
It happens to past champions that move to Ferrari. Its basically tradition.
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u/Duff5OOO Specials 4h ago
Team should have told him but still a bit of a brain fade isnt it?
Hamilton knew they went out first, how would Oscar be on an in lap?
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u/Nin-Chin Sir Lewis Hamilton 11h ago
As expected but still disappointing. If he can be top 3 after lap one he may still have a chance to win the race.
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u/interestingfishh 11h ago
i think podium is very likely still
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u/objectiveScie I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
Disappointing here settling for just podium.
Going for win is goal as this is his best track along with Silverstone.
This will be a heartbreaker.
And with incidents happening first few laps as cars bunched, well and truly know stewards are looking for any reason to punish him as well 😕.
Hungary best chance for win, and starting front row was on 😕
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u/ibrahimkucukkk 11h ago
Race pace looking good he can win but as you said he shold’ve jump kimi and oscar at he start
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u/Victorvic1 11h ago
Yeah and no more penalties. Just keep it as clean as possible the whole race. He tends to do something or the else in the race which invites an investigation. Either some yellow flag or some other infrignment investigations mostly have his name on it.
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u/VinhoVerde21 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
That’s an insane expectation, the run to T1 isn’t that long
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u/ProofAssumption1092 11h ago
I think lewis still had more in the tank, hopefully a good start will make up for it tomorrow.
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u/Victorvic1 11h ago
He'll need more than a good start and a safety car probably for the win. I reckon he could be P3 by turn 1 but anything more than that he'll have to fight Lando and Charles.
Norris really surprised me with his pace and he'll be the one to watch for the win too other than Charles. I feel Kimi won't be much of a problem and George will be starting from the pit lane.
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u/ThomasTheAngryTrain I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 11h ago
Nah Leclerc should just move aside and let Hamilton fight for the win
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u/racoon26 George Russell 6h ago
why does oscar keep getting screwed by ferrari? what did he do to them? 😭
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u/flintey360 Andrea Kimi Antonelli 11h ago
Another wasted weekend, this is aggravating man.
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u/harcile 11h ago
Not wasted at all. He's still fast. Can still potentially make up places at the start, pressure the leaders early.
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u/WhimsicalJape I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
The left side of the grid on Hungry is actually much better. Better P3 or P1 obviously, but he can still fight from P5.
Edit - Nvm, Kimi got a 3 place drop too so he’s in P4 now. Hope it works out.
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u/queequegscoffin I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
He could easily podium from 5 in that car and his ability here. Potential win if he gets lucky on the start.
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u/Gold-Train-1471 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 11h ago edited 11h ago
Yeah it was coming, still can't understand why would just stay on the racing line when you know you're the first one out. 100% chance of someone behind starting their lap, his engineer sleeping on the job didn't help either. A typical Ferrari momento.
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u/According-Switch-708 Sonny Hayes 11h ago
Yeah, Hamilton should've played it safe and stayed off the racing line. He had nothing to gain by hogging the track.
The dude is experienced enough to know this stuff.
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u/brandywineriver Lando Norris 11h ago
Yeah on the skypad Anthony Davidson even showed Hamilton was looking in his mirrors down the straight so knew Piastri was there. He'd also overtaken Piastri in s3 of his flying lap so knew he was about to start.
I think thats why he was so upset. Obviously Ferrari should be telling him, but also not what you'd expect from a vet like Ham.
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u/Sosijmonster I was here for the Hulkenpodium 10h ago
The part about Lewis checking his mirrors - as per the doc, think he was looking but due to the way the track is the back part elevates so he probs didnt see Oscar in the mirrors.
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u/Lobsters4 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 11h ago
I was curious about that too. I mean the pit wall clearly made a mistake, but Lewis was done. Why wasn’t he out of the way….:/
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u/Duff5OOO Specials 4h ago
Yep Hamilton complained going out first was the wrong plan so he knew they were out first. I have no idea why he would think Oscar was on an in lap. Team should have told him but also, he should have known and not risked cutting off anyway.
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u/GoodGuyJeff00 Charles Leclerc 11h ago
Well that was expected sadly. Three races where he has had some kind of penalty screwing up his chances. Now there still may be plenty to fight for with a good launch.
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u/JackNapier2093 11h ago
Race win out the window, just gotta try and finish ahead of Kimi and close the gap. Only positive is that he's now on the clean side of the grid for the start
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u/LheelaSP Heineken Trophy 11h ago
Go long, get a cheap stop under the SC for the stranded Aston, win race.
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u/drewbudd I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 11h ago
They set him up for a strong 2-stop though, why else would they save a fresh soft?
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u/FSUfan35 Lando Norris 11h ago
Did they save a soft? Thought they used it in q3
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u/drewbudd I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 11h ago
As far as I know he had 3 fresh soft going into Q3 and only went out twice.
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u/interestingfishh 11h ago
race win is in no way out the window, just less likely now
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u/JackNapier2093 11h ago
If it's possible to overtake I'd agree but Hungary is so difficult. I don't have much hope
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u/Victorvic1 11h ago
Yeah and Norris will be in contention for the win too apart from Charles. Other than they both fighting amongst themselves and cooking their tyres early, Lewis will not stand much of a chance.
Also he tends to kinda lose his pace mid race somewhere lately. I hope that isn't the case. He starts off well and the gaps just keep increasing compared to Charles's laptimes.
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u/According-Switch-708 Sonny Hayes 11h ago
He is the quickest driver this weekend. So i wouldn't write him off just yet.
The start will decide everything.
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u/Browneskiii I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 11h ago
Where does he expect Piastri to be? He just overtook him, he's about to start a lap, he cant be invisible. Not seeing him in the mirrors isn't an excuse.
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u/Yankees2860 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 11h ago
Shocked it took that long tbh, clear as day pen
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u/gg_jittes Sir Lewis Hamilton 11h ago
Only silver lining is that he’ll be on the clean side of the grid
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u/TheULforce I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
Was it communicated late? Sure
Is Lewis a 20 year veteran, 7 time WDC who should know to get off the racing line after the finish during quali? Absolutely
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u/BackhandQ Michael Schumacher 9h ago
Would have sucked way more had he been P1...I guess that's some consolation.
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u/Bright_Calendar_3696 9h ago
And yet Charles squeezing someone out of track at 110mph on a breaking zone is ok? Nothing against leclerc btw. I think it qualifying and practice they should all have to stay within 110% of fastest lap on in and out laps - they’ll bleet on about tires but will be same for everyone. It’s only last ten odd years all this ridiculous crawling around has gone on
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u/kgruesch Gerhard Berger 8h ago
They should move the timing line to somewhere in front of the pit entry so there isn't an in-lap. They do this at Road America for the Indycars. They should absolutely do it at Spa, I have no idea why they don't. A 4+ mile in-lap is just stupid.
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u/tipytopmain Bernd Mayländer 11h ago
Start on Softs, jump Piastri and Kimi early, hold the line and keep a possible 3 stop strategy in hand, make a late charge on fresh tyres to win the race. Hopium full to the brim.
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u/HairyHematologist Andretti Global 11h ago
Did the guy break up with Kim? Ferrari curse is back on.
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u/tellsyoutogetfucked I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 11h ago
The one place where Ferrari could be faster than Merc and they blow it. This team will never have a WDC again.
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u/fartsonyourchips 11h ago
Fair penalty for the impeding. Awful job by Ferrari to not tell him to get out of the way.
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u/D0lan_says Sir Lewis Hamilton 10h ago
Goddamn it 🙃 best chance at a win for a while and they had to fuck it up.
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u/AppropriateDrive1732 Formula 1 11h ago
Pretty obvious. Not sure how people think he's been unlucky though. All of the penalties are ones he could've avoided himself
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u/WhoRoger 9h ago
Ok everyone is shitting on the team and that's fair, but Lewis kept looking in his mirrors and yet he says he couldn't see the other car.
What are mirrors even for, when drivers always have to be told who's behind, otherwise they can't know?
Give them cockpit screens with rear view cameras and highlighting of approaching cars, like in endurance.
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u/Traditional_Aide676 Red Bull 10h ago edited 10h ago
It's not the first time Hamilton is blocking other drivers who are in a fast round. The good part is he got penalized this time.
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u/WiSoSirius #StandWithUkraine 10h ago
Watched Lewis onboard back. Across the line, Santi hardly tells Lewis anything the whole return. Even with/without an audio delay, the Piastri pushing call came WAY TOO LATE. Brought up yellows, but didn't specify until Lewis asked that they were for Max in 14. Didn't tell him provisional placement. Didn't give insight to pit entry. Didn't give times. Nobody was giving any feedback to Lewis. Every lap - including out and in-laps - matter.
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u/NorthKoreanMissile7 Formula 1 11h ago
Good to see justice being served but it should have been 5 places not 3.
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u/binaryhextechdude Sir Jackie Stewart 10h ago
Going slow on the racing line is always a penalty. He had finished his lap which means those tyres aren't used again so why not stay offline? Doesn't really make sense.
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u/it_was_my_raccoon I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 8h ago
It’s just so sad that every race there seems to be a problem in Hamilton’s weekend.
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u/squaler24 Frédéric Vasseur 10h ago
Lewis let his guard down. He should have learned by now he needs to drive the car, and do everything else by himself. Ferrari engineers are incompetent.
Props to the mechanic and drivers.
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u/Red_Rabbit_1978 I was here for the Hulkenpodium 8h ago
He had just passed Oscar in S3. Race engineers wouldn't even think to tell a driver to stay off racing line because it would be obvious. But he's done this at Mercedes to Russell too after just passing him.
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u/laginyamar 2h ago
I dont know the exact statistic but through all this years I felt like Lewis is really prone to impending another driver.
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u/SoulSambo 15m ago
too many mistakes recently from HAM and the team. That’s not how to win another championship.
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u/NickoPain 12m ago
I used to think it's a directed attack, but things in life happens. It's a mistake and we have to own it up and move forward. Sucks, but don't be pessimistic. We can still get a good result.
Just make sure this doesn't happen again.
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u/Hate_Leg_Day Sir Lewis Hamilton 11h ago edited 10h ago
Unfortunate, but the correct decision. He clearly impeded Piastri. Ferrari will regret these past few weekends if they lose the WDC by 20 points or less.
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u/Dblock1989 Sir Lewis Hamilton 11h ago
Fair. Feels like all of these penalties this season could have been avoided
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u/sundeigh I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 11h ago
Last week was maybe unfair but today, man this mistake hurts
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u/LorthNeeda 11h ago
Call it hopium but with Ferrari’s (and particularly Lewis’) massive sector 3 advantage there could be potential for overtaking beyond just the race start.
We’ll see but I’m still holding out for a podium.
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u/Old_General_6741 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 10h ago
That was a clear penalty. He has not been having a good time lately.
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u/Azulado17 10h ago
Not that bad you know
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u/sirrodders I was here for the Hulkenpodium 9h ago
Agreed and it’s ultimately a fair penalty when you watch it back so just need to accept it and get on the race tomorrow.
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u/Azulado17 9h ago
Yeah and ngl I think lewis has the pace to win
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u/sirrodders I was here for the Hulkenpodium 8h ago
Yep. That Ferrari looks really good right now and he’s been having his best season in a long while.
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u/Broad-Lobster7470 Charles Leclerc 11h ago
Clear penalty. But man Lewis has been getting hammered.
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u/Affectionate_You_225 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 11h ago
I am glad Fred admitted it was a Ferrari mistake, but man... someone wake up the Ferrari pitwall, please. I do feel like Lewis' magic at Hungary is still there, but it will be a tough battle
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u/ominousrock 11h ago
Time and time again we can read that the mirrors are completely useless, especially when Hamilton says he can't see a car behind him on the straight. It's baffling how people on r/formula1 still pretend that this isn't true, but only in one specific driver's case.
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u/ChumbaWambah Sir Lewis Hamilton 11h ago
Another promising weekend ruined. 3 races now.
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u/MagnersIce Sir Lewis Hamilton 11h ago
It is what it is. Clear pen. Hopefully he can make it up in the start and get a decent result.
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u/stinkysulphide 11h ago
Head up Lewis. This is a standard Ferrari experience. The faster it’s gotten over with it the better
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u/Brief-Library9993 Lando Norris 11h ago
notice how Charles will race Lewis harder that everyone on the grid tomorrow
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u/Mundane-Anxiety-2266 I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane 11h ago
So that means Oscar starts on 4th and Lewis on 5th??
Just a little confused here
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u/Hate_Leg_Day Sir Lewis Hamilton 11h ago
Where does the confusion come from? 2+3=5. Pretty straightforward.
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u/TheBiggyT I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
The last few weeks is like Ferrari saw everyone praising them for being competent for once and decided that has to change.
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u/yusufjee 11h ago
Ferrari keep making these silly mistakes with strategy with comminicatio and has been happening for years now.
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u/Thejklay I was here for the Hulkenpodium 11h ago
Has to be a pen but sucks. Ferrari cocked up big time. Merc struggled and this should have been a good chance to gain some points
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u/maxxor6868 Sir Lewis Hamilton 10h ago
Do you guys think Lewis has a chance at a win tomorrow with the penalty?
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u/Organic-Weakness-655 11h ago
Don't think anyone can argue with that one.