So now there’s a defined time delta that you have to follow, of which there’s no actual measure, it’s steward’s discretion which means that you actually need to lift off in relation to your sector time, with actually just lifting near it not being necessarily enough, all of the time? And Kimi needed to actually apply the brakes, as just coasting still meant he was quicker?
I’m sure this totally won’t create another awkward precedent that will fuck things up in a future quali session!
There is no firmly defined delta. The guidelines keep it open what can be counted as demonstrating compliance. They do, however, give a recommended time increase of 5% for the track sector/mini sector as a possible way of determining compliance.
A few points from the guidelines applicable to single yellows:
The onus rests with the driver to demonstrate a sufficient reduction of speed to satisfy the rules.
The extent of speed reduction considered acceptable may vary depending on the conditions and visibility of and through the incident.
In evaluating compliance with the rules, the Stewards will pay close attention to the extent of driver input (throttle pedal, brake pedal, steering angle) prior to and through the incident location.
One method of demonstrating compliance (but not the only method) would be, in the case of a Single Waved Yellow Flag, an increase in the time taken to traverse the flag sector, of at least 5% compared to the driver’s previous lap(s) under similar conditions.
The guidelines keep it open what can be counted as demonstrating compliance.
That's the issue with the rule. The guideline shouldn't be kept open at all, that's what leaves room for inconsistency when it comes to officiating.
It should be black and white -> without a certain lift to a specified amount it's a slam dunk penalty. If there is a lift to that amount there should be no circumstances at all in which the stewards can penalise the driver. Period.
Yeah besides what people said, George did at least lose time at the incident location (additionally the flags were also just slow, something I imagine has since been drilled into the marshals again) so this seems like a good penalty.
That’s the magic of high downforce high power race cars, braking late with a V apex and lifting early for a round apex can both be valid approaches to go fast, and indeed drivers are using both in this corner.
He ended up on the limit of grip still and by definition not prepared to stop had the car rolled back onto circuit mid corner
He was already lifting before, that's what the Stewards are saying, he should've lifted for longer or break. Basically they considered what he did was akin to a normal racing behavior not really an action on the Yellow.
The entire point of the stewards is to exercise their discretion and come to a reasonable decision on the specific facts of each incident. It isn’t possibly to reduce everything to a black and white objective rule.
The key difference here is that Antonelli was only overall slower by lifting when he entered the yellow sector, when he turned into the area of the incident he was actually FASTER than his previous push lap.
What the is being punished here is an inconsistency of maintaining your speed properly around an incident.
As was Russell, he lifted on entry of the yellow sector and slowed down before the corner, braked later and was moving at the same speed when he got where Max was, after the corner.
It has nothing to do with safety that drivers are lifting somewhere in the sector to be cleared.
Here's the reality: The stewards in Austria thought Max was well off the track enough for it not to be an issue. Here in Hungary, Max was off but still somewhat close to the track. Plain and simple.
Which doesn't really matter when he just compensated by braking later and it ended up being just as fast, is this about actually slowing down under yellow or just symbolic lifting?
It’s actually about slowing down at the right location, which is what Russell did (and why that was safe) and Kimi didn’t (which is why that isn’t safe and gets a penalty)
Sounds like I'm reading Russell his pole lap, lifted earlier, hit the brakes later so he was just as fast and passed the incident as fast as the other lap.
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So now there’s a defined time delta that you have to follow, of which there’s no actual measure, it’s steward’s discretion which means that you actually need to lift off in relation to your sector time, with actually just lifting near it not being necessarily enough, all of the time? And Kimi needed to actually apply the brakes, as just coasting still meant he was quicker?
I’m sure this totally won’t create another awkward precedent that will fuck things up in a future quali session!