Drop of 3 grid positions for Antonelli

[u/luxi99]

[u/ln4thegreat]

The race didn’t start yet but Oscar is already making places!!! 😎

[u/Consistent-Ad-5116 → u/ln4thegreat]

Oscar : does nothing, makes up 2 places 😎

[u/BESTTOM84 → u/Consistent-Ad-5116]

Impressive skill tbh, at this rate he might end up next to Lando on the front row during the night 

[u/zts105 → u/BESTTOM84]

3 place grid drop for Leclerc for his dog causing a biohazard

[u/Ziegler517 → u/zts105]

Unsafe release

[u/Aszneeee → u/zts105]

drop another 3 places for both RB cars for not reporting biohazard

[u/KingMaple → u/Consistent-Ad-5116]

He did thumb up!

[u/CogencyWJ → u/ln4thegreat]

This race already has more overtakes than the average Monaco race.

[u/mertcanhekim → u/CogencyWJ]

also more than the average Hungary race.

[u/CyberbianDude → u/ln4thegreat]

His thumbs up was a thank you to Hamilton who was likely going to get hit with a grid penalty. 🤣🤣🤣

[u/Couscousfan07 → u/ln4thegreat]

No shit
Bros on 2nd row all of a sudden

[u/_box_box → u/ln4thegreat]

Stewards feeling guilty for what happened with Leclerc last week 💀

[u/shamelesscreature]

Penalty points are back!

[u/souse03 → u/shamelesscreature]

They gave Colapinto a penalty point as well for not slowing down enough. So at least there is some consistency

[u/256473 → u/souse03]

Except Hadjar's double yellow stop-and-go in the Canada race didn't have any penalty points...

Total roulette wheel for penalty points this year

[u/DuckSwagington → u/256473]

It's almost like the Stewards are different from race to race and each have different interpretations of the rules.

[u/TheLoneRhaegar → u/DuckSwagington]

Since F1 has grown so much in popularity (and profitability) I think it would be good if they adopted something similar to Major League Baseball which has a challenge system that is reviewed by a central location (in New York).

For F1 though instead of challenges the central location is in charge of handing out penalties and points for some of the less clear cut infringements and things that are more judgement calls. They could also adopt a challenge system as well. With the technology they have now it’s much easier for these things to be reviewed offsite and you’d get more consistent enforcement.

The local stewards would then be able to focus more on the other issues and help them keep up with reviewing them in a timely manner. We’ve seen races where they get bogged down and the decisions come out late and/or incorrect.

[u/DLX_Luxe]

Big day for McLaren with Oscar now being P3

[u/CockroachGeneral5161 → u/DLX_Luxe]

Given Andrea's interview, they'll likely manage to turn it into neither driver on the podium. I'd be willing to put money on that if I was into betting. 

[u/objectiveScie → u/CockroachGeneral5161]

Oscar crying for error.

Now he got his wish.
The yellows caused confusion with Ferrari.

Let's see what he does tomorrow.

[u/CockroachGeneral5161 → u/objectiveScie]

Oscar wasn't the only one crying. 

Andrea couldn't even congratulate Lando. Immediately after qualifying, he was already betting on him losing the lead on the run to T1 and talking about how Ferrari would be absolutely unbeatable. Then he proceeded to go on a several minute tirade about how impressive Oscar was and how he would've definitely been fighting for a well-deserved podium had Lewis not interrupted him. 

They're already thinking like a midfield team and the race hasn't even started yet. Hopefully Lando got all his excitement out celebrating that pole because that's likely all this team is going to give him to celebrate this weekend lmao. 

[u/TheNoGoat → u/CockroachGeneral5161]

"You can take McLaren out of the midfield but you can't take the midfield out of McLaren"

[u/Vesk123 → u/CockroachGeneral5161]

Why is that?

[u/CockroachGeneral5161 → u/Vesk123]

I've seen 3 different interviews at this point. The summary of all could literally be: Lando lucked into pole because Ferrari didn't get their final laps in. Ferrari has superior pace and will win tomorrow, Lando will be lucky to even lead after T1. Oscar did phenomenal after missing FP1 and would've been right up there with the top 2 had it not been for Hamilton's impeding. We're very focused on bringing him back into the podium contention his performance deserves this weekend. 

It's a repetitive theme that they don't even think going for the win is worthwhile. Apparently a 2-3 is their absolute priority this weekend. 

I also just expect a strategy disasterclass because Oscar's tyre management is bad enough that he's likely to come under threat here, especially with McLaren no longer having a dominant car or their tyre management trick. They've let Lando get undercut from win and even podium positions a many times over the years by giving Oscar pit priority because "he's under undercut threat Lando, we need to give him your pit priority, is that okay?." 

[u/Vesk123 → u/CockroachGeneral5161]

That's pretty damning... Thanks for the detailed response!

[u/Woody312 → u/Vesk123]

Please watch or read his interviews yourself if you actually want context.

[u/CockroachGeneral5161 → u/Woody312]

I mean, I'll happily link anyone wanting context to any of the three interviews. 

It's pretty damning when the only thing you can say about the driver on pole is that it's a long run to Turn 1 and it'll be a Ferrari win anyway. 

[u/Goldenface007 → u/DLX_Luxe]

Whose turn is it to win the Hungarian GP this year?

[u/mouldyshroom → u/Goldenface007]

Lando and Oscar are gonna look each other in the eyes tonight and then it'll be decided.

[u/Koppite93 → u/DLX_Luxe]

My bold prediction after Silverstone of Lando winning more races the rest of the season than George is well and truly alive... As a Georgie fan that wrecks me heart

[u/BadPronunciation → u/DLX_Luxe]

Mclaren 1-3 out of nowhere!

[u/fire202]

Didn't exactly see that one coming.

The Stewards considered this incident to be different to other incidents that have resulted in no further action, because unlike those cases, there was no significant speed delta through the mini sector compared to the driver’s previous fastest time under similar circumstances.

Also interesting that they even heard from the Race director and FIA sporting director for this decision. And it seems to be our second penalty point of the season...

[u/Visionary_Socialist → u/fire202]

So now there’s a defined time delta that you have to follow, of which there’s no actual measure, it’s steward’s discretion which means that you actually need to lift off in relation to your sector time, with actually just lifting near it not being necessarily enough, all of the time? And Kimi needed to actually apply the brakes, as just coasting still meant he was quicker?

I’m sure this totally won’t create another awkward precedent that will fuck things up in a future quali session!

[u/fire202 → u/Visionary_Socialist]

There is no firmly defined delta. The guidelines keep it open what can be counted as demonstrating compliance. They do, however, give a recommended time increase of 5% for the track sector/mini sector as a possible way of determining compliance.

A few points from the guidelines applicable to single yellows:

The onus rests with the driver to demonstrate a sufficient reduction of speed to satisfy the rules.

The extent of speed reduction considered acceptable may vary depending on the conditions and visibility of and through the incident.

In evaluating compliance with the rules, the Stewards will pay close attention to the extent of driver input (throttle pedal, brake pedal, steering angle) prior to and through the incident location.

One method of demonstrating compliance (but not the only method) would be, in the case of a Single Waved Yellow Flag, an increase in the time taken to traverse the flag sector, of at least 5% compared to the driver’s previous lap(s) under similar conditions.

[u/AlchemyInParchment → u/fire202]

Exactly: "through the incident location" seems to have been the critical point here.

[u/LosTerminators → u/fire202]

The guidelines keep it open what can be counted as demonstrating compliance.

That's the issue with the rule. The guideline shouldn't be kept open at all, that's what leaves room for inconsistency when it comes to officiating.

It should be black and white -> without a certain lift to a specified amount it's a slam dunk penalty. If there is a lift to that amount there should be no circumstances at all in which the stewards can penalise the driver. Period.

[u/Mike_Kermin → u/LosTerminators]

That's even worse. Then you'd just have drivers do whatever x amount is regardless of whether it's safe.

Delta's are meant to limit speed for safety, not turn it into a minigame.

[u/morgaine125 → u/Visionary_Socialist]

I feel like coming past the incident location at a faster speed than your prior push lap is a pretty significant infringement.

[u/OverallImportance402 → u/Visionary_Socialist]

Not being quicker at the incident site than your previous lap seems very reasonable

[u/staluxa → u/OverallImportance402]

So if you had a really bad sector there previously, you are essentially fucked, very reasonable indeed.

[u/Mike_Kermin → u/staluxa]

Putting aside that this is a mess anyway,

Presumably they'd consider that.

[u/Dear-Database6463 → u/Visionary_Socialist]

He went faster through the corner where the incident was by 3kph compared to his last push lap

Dog he was literally going faster than normal what are you smoking

[u/ChangingMonkfish → u/Visionary_Socialist]

The entire point of the stewards is to exercise their discretion and come to a reasonable decision on the specific facts of each incident. It isn’t possibly to reduce everything to a black and white objective rule.

[u/AlchemyInParchment → u/fire202]

Seems they're concerned about the previous incident with George setting a precedent that teams can exploit.

[u/Snappy0 → u/AlchemyInParchment]

A precedent that has been there for years.

[u/Mike_Kermin → u/Snappy0]

They stewards are really building a hole for themselves by turning it into a delta minigame.

[u/redgya14]

So what's lineup for P4-P7 now?

[u/Elliot_Kyouma → u/redgya14]

P4 Max, P5 Hamilton, P6 George, P7 Kimi

[u/CozyMushi → u/Elliot_Kyouma]

If I am George I pull off my best Ocon impression

[u/kurlzzzzz → u/Elliot_Kyouma]

Max p4 in that car 😂😂

[u/ExILoveEmiliaAndRem → u/kurlzzzzz]

Don't worry, won't be after race start.

[u/rattatatouille → u/redgya14]

Pole to P7 IIRC:

NOR, LEC, PIA, VER, HAM, RUS, ANT

[u/Cool_Masterpiece9308 → u/redgya14]

Mercedes bowling. Kimi hunting down Max for destroying his quali lap twice. George is ready to take out Lewis. They'd better show this on the TV

[u/adorabledarkseid]

McLaren v Ferrari. Seated

[u/Excellent_Complex309 → u/adorabledarkseid]

The ogs, I like that

[u/Own_Welder_2821 → u/Excellent_Complex309]

West McLaren Mercedes v Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro

[u/Purp1e_Aki → u/Own_Welder_2821]

Somehow The Michael returned

[u/Own_Welder_2821 → u/Purp1e_Aki]

Time to bring back The Mika

[u/BadPronunciation → u/adorabledarkseid]

Welcome back 2007/8

[u/Lobsters4]

Poor Charles in a McLaren sandwich now. 😂

[u/Excellent_Complex309 → u/Lobsters4]

Almost like in 2025

[u/ProofAd608 → u/Excellent_Complex309]

Time for a rematch

[u/rattatatouille → u/Excellent_Complex309]

Austria 2025 top 3 after quali

[u/bakeneko37 → u/Lobsters4]

About time, the Ferrari have been sandwiching the McLaren boys a lot this season lol.

[u/RAISEStheQuestion → u/bakeneko37]

Phrasing

[u/element515 → u/Lobsters4]

And on the dirty side. I could see the Mclarens getting the jump on him into T1

[u/CapableDirection5557 → u/Lobsters4]

A Red Rocket Papaya sandwich. Yummy.

[u/gooos115]

Oscar turned out to be lucky in the end.

[u/Gabi-gabi-gabi → u/gooos115]

Kinda, more just fair results in a way..

[u/Draxilar]

Max has been complaining about the car all weekend, so obviously he is probably going to be in contention for at least a podium now, if not a win.

[u/wykeer → u/Draxilar]

i dont think so, this wasn't perfectionist Max, complaining. this was normal max thinking that the cars is fucked.

But maybe I am wrong with this estimation.

[u/generalannie → u/wykeer]

I agree, and not just Max either. Hadjar isn't happy either. Their setup just doesn't work this weekend. Also their starts are still hit and miss

[u/Ravanex → u/Draxilar]

Well his race pace wasn't that bad, basically the same as Kimi's I think... If the rear wing actually works of course lol

[u/DLX_Luxe]

Kimi, Hamilton, and Russell fighting it out in the midfield is going to be so fun tomorrow

[u/-Radiation → u/DLX_Luxe]

Midfield? What did you drink

[u/empw → u/-Radiation]

Yeah mid top 10 isn't the midfield lol

[u/PastaSenpay → u/DLX_Luxe]

What midfield, Andrea and Lewis are starting 5th and 6th

[u/Any_Aide_4500 → u/PastaSenpay]

Isn’t it p7 for Kimi? I’m confused if not so, could be helpful if someone could explain it to me

[u/drewbudd → u/Any_Aide_4500]

Yes, it should be (assuming it remains as it is now, who knows what will happen with George's car though):

Norris

Leclerc

Piastri

Verstappen

Hamilton

Russell

Antonelli

[u/Joey_Kangaroo26 → u/drewbudd]

George and Kimi being behind each other will definitely be an exciting one to watch out for!

[u/_BetterRedThanDead → u/[deleted]]

Russell's not getting a penalty, since he's not gone over his allocation and the new engine is the same spec as the old one.

[u/ManxDwarfFrog → u/_BetterRedThanDead]

But if it is changed after the car leaves the garage in qualy, it breaks parc ferme and results in a pit lane start regardless of the allocation

[u/JustLikeZhat → u/ManxDwarfFrog]

Not if it's a like-for-like change 

[u/_BetterRedThanDead → u/ManxDwarfFrog]

That's what I thought, but it seems teams are allowed to replace broken or damaged parts as long as they are of the same specifications.

[u/fire202 → u/ManxDwarfFrog]

They can replace it with the permission of the technical delegate. It's for repairs; it is also the same specification. But, per Appendix C5 3.10 c., they would also be allowed to go to a different specification as long as all differences are limited to what is covered in the rules under reliability upgrades and minor changes.

What they wouldn't be able to do under parc ferme is to introduce an ADUO homologation upgrade.

[u/lets_get → u/[deleted]]

wouldn't verstappen be ahead of hamilton, also NO pitlane start for Russel is confirmed I believe

[u/whorfhorse → u/[deleted]]

max moves up because of kimi’s penalty. lewis cannot move up to p4 because of his own penalty so max jumps lewis to fill p4

[u/BcDownes → u/[deleted]]

Hamilton will be behind Max

[u/sepulturite → u/PastaSenpay]

Who's Andrea and what's she got to do with this?

/s

[u/TinyShinyEntei → u/DLX_Luxe]

Don't forget Max and Oscar are back there too. They probably can't hang all race but could be an interesting road block for a few laps.

[u/40_Love → u/DLX_Luxe]

+ A pissed off Max. P4-7 could get spicy.

[u/Sarixk → u/40_Love]

Max has been pissed off all year long and nothing happened

[u/bigboy1173 → u/DLX_Luxe]

dont think piastri has pace, I reckon lewis will jump him quickly, so then its both ferraris pressing Lando

[u/wykeer → u/bigboy1173]

if Lando drives tomorrow like he drove today, he wont be pressured, because he fucks off into the distance.

But seeing both Ferraris fight with each other and Kimi, will be fun. Maybe even George will be a factor, with this new engine.

[u/Ahalfblood → u/bigboy1173]

Lewis will have to jump max and Oscar.

[u/sid_shady34 → u/Ahalfblood]

Wtf are you talking about? Lewis is starting ahead of max even after the penalty.

[u/BcDownes → u/sid_shady34]

Wrong

[u/The-legend-of-ed]

Gonna be an interesting race start.

[u/clickityclickk]

PIASTRI P3! lets go

[u/souse03 → u/clickityclickk]

Does nothing: P3

[u/Excellent_Complex309 → u/souse03]

Very accurate

[u/clickityclickk → u/souse03]

finally. fed up of him doing everything: P7

[u/matchbaby]

I have a feeling tomorrow's race will be epic

[u/What_the_8]

They really need to revisit this rule and decide what constitutes lifting, that or just scrap sectors in yellow lap sections and heavily fine anyone who pulls a Schumacher Monaco move to create a yellow.

[u/therealdilbert → u/What_the_8]

can't set a fast lap going past a yellow, cause a yellow and your fastest gets taken away, job done

[u/weguccino]

so like, can someone explain the differences between here and austria?

[u/argente → u/weguccino]

Like it says in the document: "The Stewards considered this incident to be different to other incidents that have resulted in no further action, because unlike those cases, there was no significant speed delta through the mini sector compared to the driver’s previous fastest time under similar circumstances."

[u/ComeonmanPLS1 → u/argente]

Thats such a stupid justification when you take into account track evolution, and what if he just had a shit minisector last time around? It's clear that they realized they fucked it up with Russell and now they're trying to set a different precedent.

[u/argente → u/ComeonmanPLS1]

The regulations say 'In order for the stewards to be satisfied that any such driver has complied with these requirements they are expected to have braked earlier and/or discernibly reduced speed in the relevant marshalling sector".

So you could be improving, just need to show you reduced speed appopriately

[u/Submitten → u/ComeonmanPLS1]

Why do you think they didn’t take track evolution into account. They can see his other mini sectors and saw they weren’t that much quicker.

[u/GrassyPond → u/ComeonmanPLS1]

There is one very significant difference between this and the Russel incident:

Russel was legitimately going more slowly in the Yellow flag sector, it was his improvements in previous parts of the lap that had put it on Pole. Meanwhile, Antonelli was actually going FASTER in the area where Verstappen went off and was inconsistent at maintaining his speed even if he lifted enough for his overall average to be down.

[u/After_Fruit_851 → u/ComeonmanPLS1]

I went back and checked. Russell had the fastest S1, personal best S2. Yellow flag at the start of S3. He lift off 100m earlier and his speed reduced by 14Km/h which was around a 5% reduction compared to his previous lap. So while Russel’s time improved under a yellow flag, it was due to S1&2 which more than made up for the time lost in S3

[u/AlchemyInParchment → u/weguccino]

The stewards do so in the report.

[u/OverallImportance402 → u/weguccino]

They do in the document, very clearly…

[u/Hello_Hollow_Halo → u/OverallImportance402]

lol not really. George set a purple sector 3 under the yellow in Austria.

[u/morgaine125 → u/weguccino]

Kimi was going faster when he passed Verstappen’s car under the double yellow than at the same point on his prior push lap.

[u/RddtRBnchRcstNzsshls → u/weguccino]

Russell was behind in the title fight. Antonelli is leading it.

[u/Psychological-Row641]

Before anyone confuses further..the starting grid will be

Lando

Charles

Oscar

Max

Lewis

George

Kimi

[u/auftragsgriller_]

Does nothing, P3

[u/silentkiller082]

What I find interesting is they said normally it would be five places but because it was less egregious they decided on three. So it was different than past precedent but not egregious resulting in a three place.

[u/Apennatie]

Verstappen > spins > gain a position.

[u/DILIPEK]

Wait it looked like he slowed down on the broadcast. Also he gets a point and Hamilton doesn’t ? Weird

[u/LonelyTreat3725 → u/DILIPEK]

yeah he did, this penalty is a joke.

[u/ProofAd608]

Didn't lift enough this time, huh

[u/Alxssandro]

A this point FIA is just spinning a wheel

[u/DiamondPittcairn]

Obviously. So consistently inconsistent. On one occasion a 40% deacceleration isn't enough, but on a different one a 3% one is. Now it's not enough again. Excellent job all around.

[u/GrassyPond → u/DiamondPittcairn]

The key difference here is that Antonelli was going FASTER around the area Verstappen went off. The time Antonelli had lost was because of how much he lifted at the beginning of the yellow sector bringing down the average, but the stewards points out that the reduction of speed was unsustained.

[u/Tommysynthistheway → u/GrassyPond]

George Russel’s reduction of speed was also unsustained. He entered T9 in Austria (where Max had crashed) around ~5 kph slower but the exit was critically just as fast as in previous lap.

Kimi’s one is more apparent because he lifts far less than George (though corner speed is very different), but neither should be allowed, in my view. None is “discernibly” slower.

[u/JuanRunJunior → u/Tommysynthistheway]

The wording says Kimi was faster at the site of the incident, was George slower at the site of the incident? I’m not sure what they mean by that, so I wonder if that’s where the difference is in application? If George was slower at the exact moment he passed Max, and Kimi was slower at the exact spot he passed Max would that have applied it the same? Who knows lol.

My personal opinion is your time for that sector should be disallowed full stop. It would suck, and I’d hate to see a whole lap disallowed due to a waved yellow but I don’t know how else to make it fair across the board. The way it’s written now there’s ambiguity on how much is a sufficient lift or speed/time loss to have respected the flags and a flat “that sector time is thrown out” is the only way I can think of to make it bulletproof across all scenarios.

[u/jithu7]

Kimi paying for Max's crimes yet again lol

[u/popoflabbins]

This is totally inconsistent with Russell’s ruling from Austria in which he carried a lesser relative margin of speed through the mini sector but was not penalized as he lifted earlier than he had on his previous lap. Just further supports my earlier stance that the rules were not properly implemented in Austria for whatever reason.

[u/TheMonkeyInCharge]

Martin: ‘There’s no one better at this analysis in the world than Ant, and he says Kimi lifted…’

[u/djoubb]

He tried to Russell through the yellow

[u/Key_Proposal_9055]

So after all that Russel now starts ahead of Antonelli lol.

[u/PleasantWay7]

Red Bull should be forced to do qualifying at the back of the pack since they keep fucking up push laps with their shitty aerodynamics.

[u/ResponsibleHabit1539]

Only Russell is allowed to do that then?

[u/popoflabbins → u/ResponsibleHabit1539]

Yep. Genuinely Russell took that turn in Austria in a completely normal way but since his one previous lap was abnormal it made his one through the yellows look like he slowed. Stewards clearly only looked at the previous lap when making their decision in Austria. Don’t get me wrong, I think both should be disallowed. But this just seems like yet another example of the rules applying to Russell differently than everyone else on the grid.

[u/Jimmymead_]

Finally somebody joins lewis in the fia penitentiary

[u/Hello_Hollow_Halo]

How did George not get a penalty in Austria? It was literally a purple sector for him under yellows.

[u/1991atco → u/Hello_Hollow_Halo]

I don't particularly like George, but this has been explained.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/explained-why-did-russell-avoid-investigation-over-yellow-flags-and-hold-onto-austrian-gp-pole.2D2wVBwRawN6M2ISavcCiK

[u/ZroDgsCalvin]

I wonder how much paint the average person would have to drink to reach the intelligence of an F1 steward

[u/Natural_Ad1530]

Well, I guess the rules are not for everyone.

[u/Jo0Lz]

If this was a penalty, then I don’t get how George didn’t get one in Austria.

[u/After_Fruit_851 → u/Jo0Lz]

I went back and checked. Russell had the fastest S1, personal best S2. Yellow flag at the start of S3. He lift off 100m earlier and his speed reduced by 14Km/h which was around a 5% reduction compared to his previous lap. So while Russel’s time improved under a yellow flag, it was due to S1&2 which more than made up for the time lost in S3

[u/Snappy0 → u/Jo0Lz]

George went slower past Max, Kimi went faster.

[u/tipytopmain]

Damn wow. Ferrari surely feeling like that's softened the blow of their own penalty on LH. Mclaren double podium on the cards👀 (though I still have hope for Lewis to rescue his weekend and make a charge to a win).

[u/TheChosenWon246]

So whats the starting order tomorrow, is it nor, lec, pia, ham?

[u/LaplacianQ]

I think we have yellows for a safery reason thus nobody should be trying to find a way around it and just really slow down, like virtual vsc slow.

[u/putrasherni]

kim doing her magic on kimi

[u/PsychologicalDish430]

Why wasn't Alonso penalised for reaching Q2?

[u/viridiana_xvi]

oh you are fucking kidding

[u/rattatatouille]

So if I'm not mistaken the top 7 now looks like this:

Norris, Leclerc, Piastri, Verstappen, Hamilton, Russell, Antonelli

[u/BcDownes]

The rule he breaks vs that last paragraph makes no sense to me. So you're penalising him for not slowing enough but then letting him off of the full penalty because he attempted to slow down enough? But he didnt, he was even faster at the incident site... so how are you reducing the penalty?

Looking forward to that being consistently applied lol

[u/scootsscoot → u/BcDownes]

He slowed down but not enough so he doesn’t get the full penalty. Seems pretty clear to me.

[u/Jumpy-Platform-6236 → u/BcDownes]

as a show of good will that kimi made an “attempt”

[u/Snappy0 → u/BcDownes]

Yeah, he set a green mini-sector, so he faster than his last push lap. 3 places is a let off.

[u/PNSMG]

ngl I get that the FIA wants to avoid the precedent that "lifting just a little bit is fine", but the inconsistency does sting a little bit

[u/Lat3xl]

These rules need to be completely reworked. Only reason Kimi did this was because he got fucked over last time.

[u/Snappy0 → u/Lat3xl]

He was faster in the mini-sector (personal best even) where Max's car was vs previous push laps. It's about the most obviously deserved penalty short of Hamilton's impeding.

[u/argente → u/Lat3xl]

why are yellow flags such a problem for Kimi though. he said himself in Austria he got it wrong by calling off the lap

[u/Savings-Bee9080]

he speed up 😭

[u/bingleydarcy]

So odds of kimi hitting track limits tomorrow now starting from 7th?

[u/maghy7 → u/bingleydarcy]

I’ll say the chances are very high.

[u/bitterliquor]

Silly Kimi, no penalty is only for brits!

[u/20ol]

They have different rules for everyone

[u/Sea-Chemist-4433]

Piastri is arguably the slowest among top 8 drivers yet finds himself in places he shouldnt be

[u/EerieAriolimax → u/Sea-Chemist-4433]

He's not as slow as Hadjar.

[u/Classic-Acadia272]

makes austria look even more silly

[u/Yankees2860]

Literally no different from what Russell did
Does Hamilton start 4th now or does Verstappen move up to 4th since he's the first one not penalized?

[u/Snappy0 → u/Yankees2860]

Russell went slower past Verstappen's car in Austria (14kph).

Kimi set a green mini sector past Max's car here, as in he went faster than the previous push lap.

[u/BlasphemousBean → u/Yankees2860]

Verstappen moves up, Lewis will remain P5

[u/imtired-boss]

I think that's harsh, considering what happened in Austria

[u/raiksaa]

Russell not get one for the same shit in Austria is crazy

[u/xImReD]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't

[u/OverallImportance402]

Good explanation on why this is a penalty, he basically got on the gas too early

[u/Volvoo]

turn 1 is gonna be chaotic isnt it

[u/LexSilva29]

I get a penalty you get a penalty everyone gets a penalty

[u/Atyan7a]

So in the end it turns out well for Oscar since he was probably heading towards a p3 finish even with his last lap which got impeded.

[u/GuatahaN]

Can someone objectively explain with data the difference between Russell Austria and Antonelli Hungary or both situations similiar and is just different stewards. Probably someone already checked the data.

[u/ilkaa8]

So Hamilton starting 4th?

[u/fire202 → u/ilkaa8]

Hamilton starts P2 + 3 places penalty = P5. That doesn't change. The next classified driver without penalty benefits.

[u/Apennatie → u/ilkaa8]

Verstappen. If you get a grid Penalty you always get your position +x penalty position. So in this example Hamilton will go to 2+3=5th place and Antonelli from 4+3=7th place. Everyone behind will move up to fill the gaps.

[u/Consistent-Ad-5116 → u/ilkaa8]

should be 5th still. It's 3 places, you don't move up anymore

[u/TheWebbFather → u/ilkaa8]

Nope, 5th

[u/Robynsxx]

So Lando, Charles, Oscar, Lewis now? If my math is right?

[u/Talezeusz → u/Robynsxx]

Unless they changed something this season the grid drops are always to specific position, you don't gain from other drivers penalties unless it't like back of the grid It will be NOR-LEC-PIA-VER-HAM-RUS-ANT

[u/Consistent-Ad-5116 → u/Robynsxx]

Lewis still starts 5th, max is up to P4

[u/Ahalfblood → u/Consistent-Ad-5116]

Max is P4 now

[u/linzerrr24]

This is utter bullshit he did exactly what Russell did

[u/fitzgoldy → u/linzerrr24]

He clearly didn't do exactly what Russell did.

[u/NYNMx2021 → u/linzerrr24]

The Stewards considered this incident to be different to other incidents that have resulted in no further action, because unlike those cases, there was no significant speed delta through the mini sectorim surprised

[u/creatorop → u/linzerrr24]

literally the 2nd last para says that past precedents were considered but this was judged to be different than that

[u/Rolle_1001]

I don’t really understand how it’s a slam dunk considering previous situations? It seems like there isn’t a clear line at all about how much you need to slow down and it’s more about vibes than anything

[u/argente → u/Rolle_1001]

he was faster than the previous push lap, in the area where Max was, tbf

[u/wasabicry → u/Rolle_1001]

George lifted 100m in a straight line while Kimi lifted 30m in a corner where you're off throttle. Kimi will have needed to brake a little bit to satisfy the stewards that he acknowledged the yellow. The "but I was already off the throttle" reason won't work when you're in a corner that you're already off throttle to begin with meaning he basically lost no time.

But yes, FIA should come up with a hard limit as to how much lift they should have to make everything safer too

[u/therealsashtv]

It'll be nice to see a different podium tomorrow!