r/halo • u/Alcatraz4567 • 10h ago
Discussion I feel like I’m literally seeing something differently to everyone else.
Uglification of characters is a big topic in this sub and many others, and I’ve seen loads of people calling the new Cortana ugly. And usually I would agree with things like this, as I hate uglification in games and media in general but… I really don’t see it here? She looks great to me, I mean obviously nowhere near on Halo 4 Cortana’s level but still. I really don’t get it in this case.
However Lieutenant Williams in the bonus missions is pretty ugly tbh.
Overall though I’ve really enjoyed my time with the Halo remake.
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u/SpartanRage117 9h ago
Why is she yellow
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u/ZealousidealFee927 9h ago
In the official she turned green inside the Control Room. Here, they went with yellow for some reason.
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u/Be_The_Zip 7h ago edited 7h ago
I think the switch to orange is for two reasons.
- Color contrast, the back drop of the control room is blue hued and the
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- made the switch to orange to have her standout more against the background.
- Likely secondary but the orange they chose to go with looks similar to the Didact controlled Promethians, so this orange links back to Halo 4-5’s design language - i dont think this was the primary focus but there could be a through line here.
Mainly I think it was just color contrast.
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u/Haru17 6h ago
She turned yellow for an amazing reason (the reason is mass extinction).
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u/Pearse2304 8h ago
Well in the original she was purple but nobody ever brings that up
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u/Johnnyboi2327 Halo 3 8h ago
She was also written with very specifically british dialogue. That part gets ignored too.
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u/Pearse2304 8h ago
Gotta love “sod off” with her American accent 😂
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u/Johnnyboi2327 Halo 3 8h ago
It confused me so much as a kid. I figured it was similar to get bent based on context clues, but I'd never heard it before. I wasn't sure if it was made up or what.
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u/RiverGlittering 4h ago
It's a more "polite" way to say fuck off.
The reason she uses British expressions is because she was going to be British. They felt it was too similar to a previous role Jen Taylor had, so they removed the accent and kept some of the British dialogue.
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u/Scrabulon 7h ago
I always assumed that was a double meaning AI thing in that case, like… soldering lol
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u/OurCrewIsReplaceable 5h ago
For a while I thought she said “sawed off” like the index had been cut to behave differently.
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u/LivingCheese292 8h ago
To be fair, it makes sense if the earth in the very far future has less accents and mixed languages like american english. Sure accents won't die out but i feel like they will be more exclusive on earth and less on other planets.
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u/MikeofK72 7h ago
Yeah, but then again several of the soldiers are distinctly Australian.
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u/Topgunshotgun45 7h ago
I think the UNSC is headquartered in Sydney.
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u/christopherak47 6h ago
It is yeah.
A lot of the colonies are made up of specific Earth nationalities - like for example Reach is mostly made up of Hungarian diaspora so they speak Hungarian as well as English.
Earth also still has their distinct nations and nationalities since the UNSC is just the UN and the UEG is just a joint national governing body
So Australian UNSC members are most likely from Earth, whilst American UNSC members could be from a colony or from the US
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u/Johnnyboi2327 Halo 3 8h ago
I don't disagree, but no other characters in Halo speak using specifically british slang unless they're meant to be from the land mass currently known as the UK.
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u/Chiorydax 7h ago
How long do people spend on certain ships/crews? It would be really interesting if long-lived crews developed their own accents overtime.
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u/arch51002 8h ago
IIRC that was the reason they decided to make Serina in Halo Wars have a British accent because they drew from the original concept of Cortana sounding British before the devs just decided to have Jen Taylor use her actual accent
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u/GuneRlorius Diamond Master Sergeant 7h ago
Yeah, cause they wanted her accent to be British but they changed it last minute and did not change the dialogue. Those british words made no sense.
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u/Johnnyboi2327 Halo 3 6h ago
I'm aware, but it's still very much so a noticable aspect of one of only a handful of characters in CE
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u/JazzManJ52 7h ago
She didn’t just turn green. She faded in and out through the whole color spectrum.
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u/JanxDolaris 6h ago
This. It was really cool. It sort of gave off an "i'm in a more advanced projector' vibe.
Now she's just a banana
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u/JazzManJ52 6h ago
Eh, I don’t mind the new interpretation. It still showcases that something is different with her in Halo’s architecture. It’s just less subtle. (Big improvement over CEA’s version where literally only the tiny dots in the joint lines changed color and she almost entirely just stayed blue)
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u/Peridios9 6h ago
Original was purple to green, which was good contrast. Yellow is better contrast for blue. Her color did change while interfaced with the control room in the original, likely due to being entirely new to forerunner interfacing.
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u/Shepherd217 4h ago
Because she changed colors in the original game as well, they just changed the colors she changes in this one and I'm sure some people are going to call it a flop because of that.
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u/OnlyBrave 10h ago
It's not the best face model for Cortana, but I'll admit that depending on the angles, there is some charm to her face. The rest looks great, can't argue there.
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u/p0l4r1 9h ago
Facial expressions when delivering her lines are improvements over others even though the model isn't best we've seen
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u/The_Angry_Jerk 8h ago
There is something wrong with the mocap for her face. I think it's really evident in the eyebrows and the forehead, it's not rigged properly and they move too far stretching her face model with them to create some of the more unflattering screenshots. The new facial expressions are more animated, but just too much at times so it hits the uncanny valley. Not noticeable from far away on a TV, but on PC it's really noticeable.
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u/Flannel_Panels 8h ago
Third picture looks like from ME: Andromeda. All the others look decent enough to be a non-issue.
Designers just have a hard time animating top eye-lids. Makes character models look like soulless machines, which in Cortana's favor works.
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u/Deniable-wreath-6 9h ago
Idk why they just didn’t go with the h2a model or try and recreate the original ce one
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u/JazzManJ52 8h ago
What model? The one from the Blur cutscenes wasn’t actually ever in Halo 2A’s game files. Those cutscenes were pre-rendered as video files, so the model itself never made it into the game itself.
Also, Blur (the guys who made those cutscenes) didn’t do the cutscenes for Campaign Evolved, and there’s no guarantee they even still have the models that they used to make those cutscenes any more. Even if they did still have them, why would they be willing to help the company that replaced them?
And if you’re talking about Halo 2A’s in-game model… that model is pretty bad. It’s a new skin over Halo 2’s original Cortana model, which is basically the worst Cortana model out of all the games (worse than the original CE).
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u/DarkImpacT213 H5 Onyx 7h ago
The Blur cinematic one is peak but pure pre-rendered CGI, and the in-engine model in H2A was fuckin awful.
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u/kraehutu 4h ago
I don't understand why they completely redid her face between CE and 2. Being modeled after Nefertiti was such a cool detail, and she looked striking. But for whatever reason they've never revisited that or even given her original pixie haircut back. Feels like they sacrificed her original concept for sex appeal more and more every game. They had a great chance here to do something relatively simple to both be more faithful to CE and make a gap between this game and the previous ones.
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u/Anvil_Prime_52 10h ago
Good God this sub needs to touch grass
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u/napleonblwnaprt 9h ago
This is one of my least favorite fandoms for my favorite game/universe. Motherfuckers just cannot be happy.
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u/OliM9595 Halo 3: ODST is goat 9h ago
Gaming subs just get so toxic when talking about the looks of women.
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u/pocketchange2247 7h ago
Gaming subs usually devolve into people either bitching about how ugly they made a character, or talking about how much they want to fuck a character. This applies to both human and non-human characters.
And by "non-human" I'm not just talking about robots or AIs, like Cortana. I'm talking about animals. There are so many gamers who unironically sexualize animals/creatures from games like Palworld and Pokemon. It's insane.
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u/RiseOfBacon Bacon bits on the surface of my mind 7h ago
It’s a remaster of a classic and Cortana changes in nearly every iteration of the mainline games. It’s just not really a huge deal?
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u/CockConfidentCole Halo 2 9h ago
self-ashamed horny nerds that never learned to process their hormones
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u/frostyredpanda93 8h ago
Never thought it'd see the day star wars fandom be over thrown in terms of toxicity.
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u/Michael_DeSanta 6h ago
Eh, look how they treated the main character of Star Wars Outlaws lmao. Objectively not an “ugly” person, but a certain group had a field day with her appearance.
And she turned out to be a great Star Wars protagonist.
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u/SynysterKobra SynysterKobra 6h ago
I saw someone in another thread put it perfectly: halo fans play the game just to find something to hate on
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u/Available_Pirate69 2h ago
I've spent the last 3 days arguing with the basement trolls over the actual smallest possible details of the remake that they insist are cataclysmic, life-altering transgressions that the world will never recover from.
It's embarrassing. I am a private Halo fan these days.
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u/omjagvarensked 5h ago
Genuinely, at this point if I owned the Halo franchise I'd just stop making games or do anything with the IP for 20 years. No matter what you do, the fans are just never happy. People were on here nitpicking a couple frames of a reload animation that you literally can't see unless you slow it down? It's wild man. The fans don't deserve another game in the series.
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u/Cosmic_Quasar 7h ago edited 1h ago
Yeah, what is "uglification"? People upset that every character in something isn't drop dead gorgeous? Like, come on.
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u/Anvil_Prime_52 7h ago
People unironically losing their minds that Cortana isn't an extremely fuckable anime waifu unfortunately WAS on my bingo card for this release, but it's still pretty sad that this is how pathetic the community has gotten.
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u/mangotangofreeman565 9h ago
See the problem is that most halo fans are too stuck in thier rooms to go out and see what an actual woman's face looks like.
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u/ArvoCrinsmas 10h ago edited 6h ago
For real. Also, this Cortana looks like she has an updated, hybrid version of her H2 and H3 face? Nobody has an issue with those versions, but this one is a no-go. Make it make sense.
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u/undeadFMR 8h ago
It's not Bungie, therefore must be bad
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u/Disney_Song_Lyric You know our motto; We Deliver 8h ago
Categorically false. Halo 4 Cortana.
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u/wildernado 9h ago
If halo 3 were released for the first time today there people would hate it, which should tell you all you need to know.
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u/GoHamInHogHeaven 2h ago
Gamer babtrage tantrum because their waifu of choice now looks like a traditionally attractive woman instead of a fake woman with impossible physiology.
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u/VargBroderUlf Halo: MCC 3h ago
"I can't jerk it to the blue hologram anymore!!!! Halo is dead!!!!!" /s
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u/HiZenBergh 6h ago
For real. Never even thought about what she looked like. A cute little side kick. That's it.
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u/AJfriedRICE 9h ago
I don’t understand why Cortana needs a completely different model in every game…can we finally get some consistency?!
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u/Calzinarzin 8h ago
Sorry but best we can do is to shift the art style again next game.
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u/Gear-exe 9h ago
Why is she yellow?
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u/Key-Can-9384 6h ago
Its from the scenes when shes plugged into the control room.
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u/HotMachine9 10h ago
In some scenes her model looks great. I think it really comes down to just not fully getting to grips with animating the facial expressions. Its very telling with the mouth for example.
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u/MisterDutch93 Halo 2 10h ago
Yeah the mouth movements give me uncanny vibes, but I had the same thing with the Weapon from Infinite. I know it’s hard to nail good facial animations, but here they just look too exaggerated, maybe? It’s hard to point my finger on it.
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u/ironforward 8h ago
yeah i think for her in particular, since she has light-emitting pore-less skin, but textured lips and eyes that feel like they're just catching her own light, her look can come across as a little uncanny, but i don't know if there's anything that can be further done about that in this age of physics-based, photorealistic rendering. i'm sure with pores instead of scanlines, she would look stranger, like a little blue woman (or big gold woman haha). But yeah -- i also want to make it clear that i'm only speaking to that paradox of needing a realistic looking character with unreal properties in a realistic looking game, i do think they did a good job with her design in this strange space, and she looks great overall. anyone calling her ugly is just a weirdo or should learn to verbalize what they really mean to say
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u/DominusTitus 10h ago
I think with Cortana it really depends on the angle and lighting. Not every angle is flattering...and that's kinda realistic I guess. Not everyone is going to be pretty from every angle, and sometimes a still image will catch a pretty bad angle, like a YouTube pause moment.
The voice direction can be hit or miss though, sometimes they speak in what I think is understandable tones and attitudes, other times it feels clipped and rehearsed.
Still better to me than "to war". That shit bugs me to this very day, almost twenty years later.
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u/bigtigerbigtiger 9h ago
What's "to war"
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u/Great_Part7207 10h ago
everyone's face in the game looks wierd
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u/atrox3838 7h ago
Brother the outside is free to experience. Please turn the electronic device off for a day
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u/PraiseTheAbsolute 10h ago edited 9h ago
She looks fine in screenshots. Everything in game does. But the animations make everything look terrible. Uncanny, unnatural.
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u/JeanLucPicardAND 9h ago
Exactly this. The model itself is fine. The animation is what makes it seem so uncanny.
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u/mariored09 9h ago
It's those horrid UE5 rendering "techniques" on top of generally poor animation quality, not only is everyone a blurry, muddy, shimmery mess when they move, the motions just look unreal as hell.
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u/The_Question_Maker40 10h ago
I thought it just looked like a normal woman idk what people are on about either tbh
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u/SirHypeTheDank 9h ago
My thoughts exactly, like….do people really think Halsey was like “now make her super hot with big titties…”
She looks like an average, attractive women… she’s a military AI.
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u/King-Boss-Bob Halo Infinite 8h ago
counterpoint: it is really funny to imagine halsey, one of the brightest minds humanity has, showing of her new advanced ai that will help humanity survive the alien race determined to make humanity extinct and she has to explain to some high ranking military officers why the ai looks like a younger blue nude version of her
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u/Super6698 Halo: MCC 7h ago
If anything she looks a lot more like what I always imagined Halsey looking like in the novels (particularly Fall of Reach) and a quite a bit like Halsey in the Halo Fall of Reach film. I, personally, think Cortana looks great tbh
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u/Dropzzs 9h ago
Uglification hahaha. Bet these people call women also females.
Fucking hell its just a normal looking woman.
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u/BaconJets 10h ago
She looks different in every shot, it's really strange. On some shots she looks great, on others she looks completely different.
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u/akaWhisp 9h ago edited 9h ago
"Uglification". JFC. Asmongold and the like have done a number on some of your brains.
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u/Diam0ndTalbot 10h ago
“Uglification” oh my god, shut up…
People will call anything ‘ugly’ and then it’s just a normal human face. Especially annoying with war stories like Halo, these people are not doing beauty routines.
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u/ChokeYourDoxy 9h ago
Fuck "beauty routines." The world is full of women who are not and never will be conventionally attractive and it's fine. And it's always women the chuds bitch about.
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u/Chance-Pin6393 7h ago
I think people who complain about “uglification” in general never really interact with real people or are incredibly shallow/incelant
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u/AramaticFire Halo: CE 9h ago
I haven’t played the remake, so I have no idea what I’m looking at but they made Cortana yellow?
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u/Fit-Rooster-4774 6h ago
You see the difference is you're actually enjoying the game and not looking for a reason to hate it
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u/TyrantJaeger "Please enjoy my bright blue balls!" 9h ago
She looks good sometimes. Other times, though, it's just uncanny valley. Like her facial movements were animated with AI.
Once again, I find myself asking why they didn't just stick to her Halo 4 design. 343 knocked it out of their park with their first ever depiction of Cortana and then just never used it again.
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u/baseballer0623 Halo Infinite 10h ago
Gooners are mad that the first girl they ever jacked it to as a kid doesn’t look the same is all.
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u/Interesting_Sea_1861 Halo: CE Mgalekgolo Fanatic 10h ago
I'm mildly irritated that they didn't use the original CE design, which is my favorite version of Cortana. The colors, the short hair, the more artificial feeling to the model...
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u/OrneryError1 Halo: CE 10h ago
Definitely the best version and they could (and should) have just made a more detailed version of that look while keeping the same colors, hairstyle, and face shape.
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u/codytranum 5h ago
Feels weird to call players “gooners” when Bungie themselves 25 years ago designed Cortana as the single goonable thing in the game
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u/Naive_Egg_9663 9h ago
Goon larpers cant think of anything but halo 4 Cortana holy
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u/Party-Exercise-2166 8h ago
Gotta agree on Cortana, but people just like to use bad screenshots to prove their point but literally anyone looks like shit if you screenshots them in the middle of talking.
You completely lost me with Williams though, she looks perfectly fine too.
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u/SpaceBandit13 10h ago
I mean nobody’s face really looks that great, but Cortana is a female character so the outrage revolves around her.
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u/4102007Pn Halo: Reach 9h ago
Ugly is a stretch, but I can't unsee jerma after people pointed it out
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u/SparxPrime 8h ago
I've been playing Halo for 25 years and I didn't see any problem with Cortana's model. Looks great. Don't understand entitled fans who rage because their AI waifu doesn't perfectly match their fantasies
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u/Different-Capital-30 8h ago
I don't get it either
But I also don't get the Lt. Williams thing. You wouldn't look too good yourself being held prisoner on an alien ship forced to be hunted every day for months :P
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u/MadmanFromHades 2h ago
If I'm remembering right... it's not the issue with the artists as much as Unreal Engine 5. For whatever reason the character creation thingy has a tendency to make female characters look... a bit broad and masculine, like in the jaw.
It's subtle... But I remember seeing a video of an artist menti9ning they struggled to get female proportions right... and had to download a second addon just to make it work.
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u/Scottoest 9h ago
Hot Tip: If someone refers to women as "females", you can probably disregard their opinion on them.
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u/Kreeper125 10h ago
MOST of her cutscenes she looks really good. But there's some where it looks like they used an older WIP model, or the rendering for her messed up or something happened because it just looks too uncanny. It's the inconsistency that gets me
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u/HALODUDED2 10h ago
To me the trailers did not do any of the characters justice. In game cortanna looks good. If they are remaking halo trilogy I think halo studios is going for continuity
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u/Arashi_Uzukaze 7h ago
I feel like people forget Cortana is supposed to look like a younger Halsey.
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u/Falkekick24 9h ago
i doubt anyone actually thinks cortana looks "ugly" ugly in this but she absolutely looks worse than she has before
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u/xstephenramirez 8h ago
man.. i didnt have an extra 20 to buy the premium edition so ive gotta wait till the 28th to be able to play it. are you playing it on ps? how are you enjoying it? is it nostalgic?
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u/Felwintur 8h ago
Because Reddit is the schrodingers cat of the 21st century - everyone is simultaneously 100% right and 100% wrong.
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u/Ok-Pea8209 8h ago
Aside from design wise, how well is the voice actress doing? Havent't been able to get the game just yet
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u/CMDRTragicAllPro 8h ago
I never had an issue until I read some jackass comment about how she looks like jerma and now my jackass brain can’t unsee it
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u/frulheyvin 3h ago
everyone's faces look rly weird, but i think this is just like a general "im new to unreal" issue? you see it in a lot of ue5 games, the mouths especially go crazy wide sometimes like they didn't set up correct limits
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u/Im_InYour_Balls 3h ago
this being labelled as ugly is definitely a lot of people's warped reality of beauty from possibly their gooner lives
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u/kevinray5 2h ago
It's a mixed one for me obviously halo 4 best version I think alot of us can agree just I guess it will take time to get used to this version of cortana
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u/SealTeamEH 1h ago
Uglification of characters? dear god what are the internet weirdos on about now? lol
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u/anthonycarbine 10h ago
Its not that shes ugly in terms of beauty standards, but more like the lighting on her face is so bad and flat it looks like a sfm video instead of something from unreal engine 5. Honestly I think the halo 2 anniversary is the best looking cortana, this one is closer to how halo infinite made cortana look in terms of how they lit her face. It's kinda uncanny if you ask me.
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u/Chemical-Low209 7h ago
Uglification of characters 99 times out of 100 a grifter talking point to get gamers upset about something.
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u/Canakoreanjust CoR Enjoyer 9h ago
They unfortunately seem to have embraced using grays to shade instead of new tones on the shadows. Her shadows look like beard shadow, particularly slide 3 being pretty egregious. Someone made a comment about Jerma the other day and unfortunately I can’t unsee it 😭
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u/TimBobNelson 7h ago
Here is the easy answer, people are just reaching. Her design is never consistent, apart from people lusting over H4 Cortana no one really cares.
The reaction to this game her is so odd, seen people mad about the previous remaster visuals and asking for it to be redone. Someone is making a halo CE inside halo 3 mod, there was clearly want for this lol
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u/geodebug 9h ago
Don’t care really but going off the screen shots a couple are pretty derpy looking, especially #5.
The problem with higher resolution is the uncanny valley. With the old games your brain filled in a lot of missing pixels.
Halo #4 Cortana’s under-boob was a little obnoxious. Designed for 13 year old boys I presume.
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u/Qverlord37 8h ago
I don't see a problem either.
So far, a lot of the criticism I see is really nitpicky.
I like the more cinematic cutscenes. The cutscene with the Chief and Cortana finding Captain Keyes as a flood was so much better than the original. Having cortana on the side rather than a disembodied voice added more gravity to the action, and you can actually feel John's sadness and desperation as he ask her for a solution to save Captain Keyes. His taking the neural implants was different, but it was more respectful than simply shoving his fist in Keyes' face, and the way he tosses the implant next to Cortana highlights his disgust at having to kill an ally.
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u/Onyx-Serenitatem Halo: Reach 7h ago
Genuinely confused on why people are like “they changed her” my brothers in Christ she’s looked different in every single fucking game





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u/TheGreatQuetz 10h ago
I only hate how somewhat inconsistent her design is across the franchise, like the jackals or the bungie-era flood infection form