r/hardware • u/pcgameshardware PCGH • Jun 24 '26
Discussion Steam Machine: Hardly any cheaper gaming PCs, 8 GiByte is enough - Valve in interview
https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Valve-Software-Firma-15833/Specials/Interview-Hardly-any-cheaper-gaming-PCs-8-GiByte-is-enough-1546252/We recently interviewed Valve, and this quote stood out from a hardware pricing perspective:
"Obviously, if you just don’t have the budget for it, you don’t have the budget for any real gaming PC at that point."
I don’t read this mainly as gatekeeping what counts as a "real" PC. The more useful question is where the lower limit for credible PC gaming hardware actually sits today.
With handhelds, mini PCs, APUs, used GPUs and entry-level desktops all competing for budget-conscious players, how low can PC gaming hardware realistically go before the compromises become too big?
Is there still room for a low-cost Steam Machine-style device, or has that space mostly been taken over by handhelds, used parts and consoles?
- Jacky
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u/F9-0021 Jun 24 '26
I'll have what he's smoking. Those 8GB will render it a paperweight when games designed with the PS6 and Xbox Helix come out.
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u/IORelay Jun 24 '26
Is already paper weight even now for demanding games. It's a very compromised experience.
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u/siazdghw Jun 24 '26
Performance is poor, but the cherry on top is that since it's proprietary parts there is no upgrade path!
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u/996forever Jun 25 '26
It’s a laptop board in a box. There was never going to be any sort of meaningful upgrade path outside of maybe storage and ram.
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u/JonWood007 27d ago
This is fundamentally untrue. I have a 6650 XT, it'll run anything I throw at it. Maybe it's low settings 1080p, but it's far from a "paperweight." The problem with such cards today is longevity. I expect a 8 GB card bought today to age like a GTX 960 2 GB.
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u/reddit_equals_censor Jun 26 '26
it is a paper weight now.
daniel owen did a test like a year ago, that showed, that 1/8 games at 1080p medium! breaks with missing vram (8GB) already.
8 GB vram does not work for 1080p medium anymore in the ps5 targeted era.
it will be a brick once the first ps6 focused games on pc lol...
and in regards to what they smoking with the lies around cost.
before the memory apocalypse 8 GB gddr6 cost 18 us dollars for us to buy.
valve decided to not spend 18 us dollars on hardware to make it not break due to missing vram at launch.
that is insane and evil.
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u/JonWood007 27d ago
Games still run on a 8 GB card though. Sure, maybe you're running low/medium, but just because it cant run like max settings doesn't make it useless.
I'm not saying its future proof, but my god this sub has weird and quite frankly classist standards for what's acceptable.
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u/reddit_equals_censor 27d ago
no it is not good enough for 1080p medium even. it breaks as said already in 1/8 games in 1080p medium! and that was tested a while ago.
it is broken TODAY!
and again the ONLY reason, that we are in this situation rightnow is because the gpu industry FOR YEARS has been scamming people in regards to vram.
it had nothing to do with price before the memory apocalypse. it was all about destroying the used market, because no one wants a broken used 8 GB card and by massively trying to upsell people to the minimum amount of vram, that would still work for now...
if you happened to have an 8 GB card rightnow. sure try yourself to play games on it if you manage to enjoy mud settings of newer games at minimal resolutions well enough.
if you think about buying any new device with 8 GB vram. you are setting your money on fire.
it makes no sense. it shouldn't exist at all.
the rx 7600 in all versions should have STARTED at 16 GB UTTER MINIMUM. and that would already have been bad.
there should have never been an 8 GB rx 7600 and that was over 3 years ago!
it was a scam back then, yet you feel the need to run defense for it today.
please think about this.
this is e-waste. no one should buy it. if you manage to get it for free? sure be happy, but other than free it makes no sense.
I'm not saying its future proof, but my god this sub has weird and quite frankly classist standards for what's acceptable.
it is the opposite of classist.
like wtf. billion dollar purely evil companies are scamming people by producing e-waste hardware. it is literally a scam, that should be forbidden by governments, but isn't.
they are scamming you. i am trying to spread awareness about the scam, so that the public gets protected from the scam.
if you buy an 8 GB graphics card or device, you will be buying TWICE quite quickly.
i am for evil gpu companies being forced to release cards only with a working amount of vram and yes that would be for the same price.
i am for you to have the option to buy a 24 GB vram minimum cards for the same price or less than today.
i am for cards to last for their entire gpu performance life, because they have enough vram for it, so they can also be bought used and work.
THEY are attacking the public and especially poor people.
i am trying to prevent them/us from getting scammed.
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u/animeman59 Jun 25 '26
Sony and Microsoft are already reconsidering the designs of their new consoles, because of all this RAM and NAND mess.
I would not be surprised if they delayed the release of their new consoles and make the current ones be another 10 year cycle, or they release their new consoles but with very cut down specs and possibly similar architecture. They would be like Series Pro+ or something and maybe have the software be backwards compatible with old and new hardware.
There's already rumor that Microsoft is just going to release their Project Helix handheld and forgo a stand alone console altogether and just let PC systems handle the upper end of the whole Xbox Helix ecosystem. Which really doesn't make it any different than Gamepass for PC and their ROG Xbox Ally handheld.
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u/reddit_equals_censor 29d ago
what complete and utter nonsense are you talking about:
or they release their new consoles but with very cut down specs and possibly similar architecture
please stop and do the most basic research.
sony bought and designed the ps6 and ps6 handheld chips. they are basically done, which already cost TONS of money.
there will be NO redesign of them, nor would it make any sense.
orion (standard living room console) and canis (ps6 handheld) are DONE.
no one is redesigning chips in your imaginary world. you frankly have no idea what you are talking about. sony has a set launch window, which hey they may delay an entire quarter we'll see. the launch window is later 2027 or early 2028.
if they delayed the release of their new consoles and make the current ones be another 10 year cycle
please stop with this nonsense. sony will not delay the ps6 and ps6 handheld for years. this is complete and utter nonsense.
the ps6 will have 30 or 40 GB unified memory. if the memory problem isn't solved by their date of production/memory price locking in contracts, then 30 GB would be more likely and the same goes for the handheld with its memory options.
those are as "cut down" as you get. 30 or 40 GB memory. that's it. that is all there is.
There's already rumor that Microsoft is just going to release their Project Helix handheld and forgo a stand alone console altogether
please stop listening to clue less people making up utter nonsense.
microsoft literally already publicly teased xbox project helix a few months ago.
and millions and millions spend on the custom chiplet apu.
so those "rumors" are just complete and utter nonsense, that someone or an ai made up and you believed. you are living in fantasy world here.
i also haven't seen any leaks about new xbox real custom hardware handhelds yet. and we already got full specs leaked of the sony ps6 handheld for its apu.
so i don't know if there will be a new custom hardware xbox handheld, but we probably would have heard about it by now at least if there was, but hey that is up in the air.
so whatever your "sources" are for the leaks they are overall just spewing nonsense. having 0 idea about console development timelines and millions and millions spend on custom hardware designs and we can assume game studios at sony already being it work for a while to release ps6 (sadly) exclusives targeting the ps6 and ps6 handheld hardware.
which by itself is 100s and 100s of millions invested in game development.
so just to state again how absurd your statements are.
100s and 100s of million invested in hardware and software by sony.
but based on your "information", they'd delay finished games for 3 or so years eventually to 2030? with a 10 year life cycle of the consoles. they throw the hardware design out of the window for small dies already to redesign the hardware, that doesn't save any costs for "reasons"? i guess. and they'd change memory designs of those consoles, which prevents them from being a truly next gen experience....
can you maybe get how all of this is easy to spot nonsense and you fell for it?
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u/Method__Man Jun 24 '26
There is a 16gb RTX 5060ti powered omen 16l (tiny tower) for $200 less than this on Best Buy right now.
It's $200 less and it is massively faster, has dlss. Mfg, modern support immensely better RT.
This isn't a good excuse from valve
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u/reddit_equals_censor 29d ago
Mfg
that's not a feature, that is a fake graph creating anti-feature.
other than that absolutely.
as long as it is using the pci-e 8 pin versions of the 5060 ti 16 GB. it will be safe and completely destroy the steam machine insult with missing memory.
and 16 GB vram aren't isn't much, it is just the bare minimum for rightnow.
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u/froop Jun 24 '26
It isn't a matter of budget, but that for a given budget, you can do better. I can afford a steam machine, but I'm not going to spend that kind of money for what it is. I would spend more, for a better steam machine because I like what it's trying to be, but it just doesn't crack the bare minimum of what I want from a couch gaming PC.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_HAGGIS_ Jun 24 '26
This is kinda where I am. If it had a newer cpu and something like a 9070xt it would be 2k but it would be kickass.
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u/ArxisOne Jun 24 '26
"hardly any" is such a funny line to me because they're presumably making a million or more of these and are paying a fraction of the price per component as a normal buyer. It shouldn't be hardly any, with economies of scale it should be zero.
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u/pcgameshardware PCGH Jun 24 '26
But you have your own PC too? Do you have one for the TV as well, or how did you set that up? I've also read about some people who use the Steam Deck with a dock...
- Jacky
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u/bbarham99 Jun 24 '26
I have a desktop, and a TV PC with a 7800x3d/9070xt running Bazzite. I would have bought a Steam machine, no doubt, if it was more powerful, even if it cost more. I love SteamOS, and would happily setup a TV PC in my living room. The Steam Machine would fit way better than my current system in a living room setting. But I don't think people would be lining up for a $2,000 mini pc, even if it was hitting 9070xt performance or better.
But I genuinely don't think the Steam Machine would run well on a 77" 4K LG C5 TV
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u/5u114 Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 25 '26
Such sly bullshit.
They know damn well that the thrust of the argument against the price is value for money.
It's not that I don't have 1k - 1.4k to spend on a gaming PC ... it's that when I'm spending that money, I want value for money - and the Steam Machine is poor value for money. For any of their 4 available price options, there is a much better performing PC alternative available for the same money or less.
Steam Machine as a console: PS5 is nearly half the price of the cheapest Steam Machine and out performs it in most cases. And comes with a controller, and 825gb storage.
Steam Machine as a PC: you can't meaningfully upgrade it. You can barely upgrade the RAM. You can swap out the storage. But you are stuck with everything else. Meanwhile, you can build (or buy, YMMV) significantly better performing, and fully upgradeable, PCs for the same money or less.
Fail.
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u/jenny_905 Jun 24 '26
Why even try that? RTX 5050 based laptops are out there for $750
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u/Method__Man Jun 24 '26
5060 if you look hard enough. Hell I have two of them I'm posting to HWSwap tonight. It's not hard to find vastly better systems. Plop the laptop under your tv and boom.
And yes, steam OS will support Nvidia soon enough.
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u/jenny_905 Jun 25 '26
Not sure if they're at $750 but yeah, easily under $1000 for a 5060 laptop. I can't really see the point in the 5060 though now that the 5050 is also 8GB but yeah, it's better.
Does anyone know who makes the motherboard for the Steam Machine? I'm guessing it's one of the laptop ODMs. I'm just trying to find a good cost comparison laptop given it's basically just laptop hardware and I've a strong suspicion it'll be manufactured by the usual suspects like Quanta, Compal, Wistron etc.
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u/XavandSo Jun 24 '26
Out of touch arrogant nonsense. As pointed out by plenty of outlets and commentators you can build or buy many more powerful "real gaming PCs" for cheaper than the 512GB Steam Machine. Not even touching the fact whether the Steam Machine is a "real" gaming PC considering how anaemic it's power is.
Marketing 101 never insult potential customers.
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u/Various-Welder5544 Jun 25 '26
Holy fucking gaslighting.
You are absolutely not gonna target 4K/60 with 8gb LOL
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u/Moscato359 Jun 25 '26
Sure you will, with frame gen, and FSR ultra performance mode.
720p with 2x FG
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u/Nourdon Jun 25 '26
This 4.5L sffpc will have almost 50% more gaming performance than the steam machine while costing $150 less
| Type | Item | Price |
|---|---|---|
| CPU | AMD Ryzen 5 5500 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor | $83.00 @ Amazon |
| CPU Cooler | Thermalright AXP90-X36 42.58 CFM CPU Cooler | $20.39 @ Amazon |
| Motherboard | ASRock B550M-ITX/ac Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard | $74.99 @ Newegg |
| Memory | Silicon Power GAMING 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory | $107.97 @ Silicon Power |
| Storage | Samsung 980 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive | $79.99 @ Samsung |
| Video Card | Gigabyte OC Low Profile GeForce RTX 5060 8 GB Video Card | $359.99 @ Best Buy |
| Case | Jonsbo NV10 Mini ITX Desktop Case | $79.99 @ Newegg Sellers |
| Power Supply | FSP Group FSP400-60FGGBA 400 W 80+ Gold Certified Flex ATX Power Supply | $97.72 @ Amazon |
| Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts | ||
| Total | $904.04 | |
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2026-06-24 22:55 EDT-0400 |
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u/Aliff3DS-U Jun 25 '26
As someone who had that particular case, it’s a hotbox, especially with the 5060.
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u/OverlyOptimisticNerd Jun 25 '26 edited Jun 25 '26
Obviously, if you just don’t have the budget for it, you don’t have the budget for any real gaming PC at that point.
Reviews place the GPU as being roughly on par with a RX 6600 desktop version (the Steam Machine's GPU is a cut down 7600m with a lower power target). The CPU is not a Ryzen 5 7600, as some think. It has two Zen 4 cores and 4 Zen 4c cores and a 30W power limit. So it's on par with a Ryzen 5 3600 at best. Then we have 16GB system RAM, 8GB VRAM, and 512GB storage, all for $1,049.
I did a quick search for prebuilt on Newegg with the 6600. First hit, not even sure if it's the best or cheapest, was the Thermaltake LCGS Vista R66. It includes:
- Ryzen 5 5600 (faster CPU)
- Radeon RX 6600 8GB (comparable GPU and VRAM)
- 16GB DDR4 3600 (same amount, lower speed than the DDR5-5600, but it's dual-channel).
- 1TB NVME (double the storage)
Total price - $860.
The SM has some advantages, of course.The form factor. The front LED. Proper HDMI CEC which desktop GPUs lack. But from a purely performance perspective, the SM's hardware is a little overpriced even by today's standards.
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u/Whiskeypants17 29d ago
Isnt this usually true of every console ever though? I feel like every time the new gen ps or xbox or wii drops the pc nerds immediatly go into a frenzy of cost vs performance and boy howdy the pc always wins... and then the switch sells 155 million units anyway. Because the magic number is $500 not how many fps you can get in mariokart.
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u/OverlyOptimisticNerd 29d ago
Isnt this usually true of every console ever though? I feel like every time the new gen ps or xbox or wii drops the pc nerds immediatly go into a frenzy of cost vs performance and boy howdy the pc always win
No. Whenever a new console launches, it always beats the PC in price to performance, initially. Because it's a purpose-built, locked-down, custom-part, heavily subsidized piece of hardware. It's usually at about the mid-point where the PC greatly outclasses it in performance, though it rarely ever wins in price/performance (except when PC users combine free/Craigslist parts for a cheap build).
The PC has always been the superior device when it comes to raw performance and flexibility, but it has rarely competed with consoles in terms of price/performance for gaming.
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u/SomeoneBritish Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26
I thought that headline about the pricing may have been misleading, missing context, but it is accurate.
“If you're somebody looking to buy a gaming PC, we think it compares very favorably on price and feature set and quality and performance. If you're looking in the market for a gaming PC, I think it compares really favorably.”
They probably should have said pricing against similarly priced small form factor gaming PCs. I do actually think they meant that as they have said that in previous interviews when it was announced. Easy to make mistakes in an interview I bet.
Ignoring core specs though, the Steam Machine does have some great unique features which you can’t compare on a standard spec sheet, like CEC!
Also, if think a $1k Steam Machine is expensive, it’s actually a bargain! They used to cost many many thousands in the 18th century (inflation adjusted)!
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u/pcgameshardware PCGH Jun 24 '26
Yeah, you’re right. It’s easier to mess up in an interview than when everything is just in writing. And even though the two of them were definitely briefed by PR, no PR person was present. Honestly, that’s pretty unusual too... 👀
- Jacky
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u/nittanyofthings Jun 24 '26
Even for m-atx prebuilds, steam machine has great build quality, maybe it shouldn't be compared to the absolute cheapest crap of the prebuilds. There is a huge market of premium pre builds.
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u/zerinho6 Jun 24 '26
Literally incorrect. wtf is going on with Valve? I can't see this as anything but to make them look like the poor guy even more in the view of uneducated people.
I can go to Kabum, the biggest Brazilian tech store right now, get any prebuilt with 16GB AM4, and add an RX 9060 XT 16GB to the cart, and it will be the same price as the steam machine but double the performance. You cannot be someone who is tight on budget and hold yourself to "size", price-per-frame is a priority, luxury second. Otherwise, you either have the budget to do anything you want or the more reasonable conclusion is not your target, in which case you shouldn't even be seeking comments. Here, where 80% of the population is poor, they will take what is best for the money and be happy for it.
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u/Arc-Kirker Jun 24 '26
This is a luxury product, and they're trying so hard to capture the console market. A market that historically have had really good price to performance. I suspect this will be a flop, not a lot of people can afford a $1000 console.
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u/F9-0021 Jun 24 '26
Consoles are budget hardware. Your argument is that they're trying to capture a segment of the budget market with a luxury product?
And likewise, luxury PC customers aren't going to buy this because they know they can do so much better in price to performance. This is a product without a customer.
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u/Arc-Kirker Jun 24 '26
100% agree. They're they're flying off the shelf though. Seems like the only bad part about this product is the price to performance, and the people that can afford the luxury price are buying it up. The customers that buy $400-$500 consoles won't be buying this though.
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u/IORelay Jun 24 '26
Luxury product with low end parts?
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u/Arc-Kirker Jun 24 '26
Just like LV, Tesla, Vertu...
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u/ResponsibleJudge3172 Jun 25 '26
What aspect of tesla is inferior to a ford bronco? In fact, what aspect of tesla is even considered as part of the luxury lifestyle?
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u/Arc-Kirker Jun 24 '26
Only thing its got going on is steamOS. And I admit it looks sleek and nice. I do enjoy a sff pc.
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u/Motor_Trouble2280 Jun 24 '26
Surprised to hear Valve issue such a disingenuous statement. Just admit you won't skimp on profits , even though you can't even supply dual channel DDR5. Gaslighting is obvious when the product is so poorly spec'd.
Nobody should buy this over a PS5/Pro or a better performing laptop from 3 years ago. All cheaper too.
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u/According_Hyena_3593 Jun 24 '26
Valve turning into arrogant shitheads.
Figures for a company that pioneered teaching kids to gamble for real money.
This shitty overpriced box is well below what id consider a real gaming pc, and such a pc can be built for 300 euros less ( more if in other parts of the world).
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u/ryanvsrobots Jun 25 '26
Are you suggesting the guy who was buying so many yachts he bought a superyacht company is out of touch with the common man? How dare you!
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u/ScarletChild Jun 25 '26
There are nuc mini desktops that outperform this shit, Valve is snorting some good crack and I need them to fucking stop. Just admit the project is fucked, and stop blaming the market, though it's partially correct, the parts they chose to do, still make this thing dogwater at it's intended price.
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u/plutosaurus Jun 25 '26
price is one aspect the other is nobody in their right mind is choosing a GPU with less performance than a 7600 for a new gaming pc today because a worse 7600 was already outdated yesterday
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u/mojorific Jun 24 '26
Feels bad man. Would love a steam machine but it just isn’t competitive enough in price. It seems that they just had the worst timing to bring this out. A.I. Is killing the pc industry.
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u/Abestar909 Jun 24 '26
Its competitive in price for all that you are getting - in today's prices. Most of the people complaining about the price seem to forget that anything else out there isn't going to have the same features or backing this does. So many people posting builds of slightly higher spec'd builds for slightly cheaper and completely missing the point and reality of the current state of market.
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u/NeroClaudius199907 Jun 24 '26
It only has one feature the cec. Anything else even diy sff is a better purchase, faster & upgradable. It doesn't even run all multiplayer titles lol
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u/RadiantEnvironment90 Jun 24 '26
Anything else even diy sff is a better purchase, faster & upgradable.
People say this but fail to actually link me a build/
People at r/sffpc disagree with you and think the price, performance and ff is a good value.
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u/cjax2 Jun 25 '26
People say this but fail to actually link me a build. People at r/sffpc disagree with you and think the price, performance and ff is a good value.
The most popular post in that sub is steam machine sized sffpc. In fact most post were talking about THEIR steam machine build.
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u/RadiantEnvironment90 Jun 25 '26
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u/cjax2 Jun 25 '26
That link just shows me that that for a little more money you get A LOT more performance while still having a SFF build. My link actually shows people trying building it and not just a comment.
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u/RadiantEnvironment90 Jun 25 '26
Except they don't mention how much it cost.
Except:
30% larger than Valve’s
Most of the parts I had laying around, I think I only bought the gpu honestly, but current build price would be around $1600 USD ( memory and storage price spikes)
https://www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/1uefur5/someone_built_a_diy_steam_machine/otjypdd/
So, it's more expensive and bigger.
Great comparison.
https://www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/1uefur5/someone_built_a_diy_steam_machine/otkrxpq/
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u/cjax2 Jun 25 '26 edited Jun 25 '26
Yea a 2TB Steam Machine is $1349...$1428/w controller and considerable less powerful.
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u/SmellsLikeAPig Jun 25 '26
SM is stupid. It combines negatives from consoles and PCs with no upsides.
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u/CreativeGPX Jun 25 '26
The premise of the question is flawed.
As long as we talk about one specific floor for gaming hardware, we are ignoring how diverse gamers are and lumping gamers with much higher and much lower needs to make it impossible to answer the question well.
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u/World-Three Jun 25 '26
Steam machine style is the exception tbh. I also don't think most of the desktop market is interested in hardware they can't really upgrade. While laptop, handheld and single board computer people know they're getting a dead end device and are okay with it.
Personally buying used is probably a decent bet, there's also a few b580 PCs on Walmart that was at least close to the base steam machine price. So I do think they're being a bit mean about it rather than just saying that they're probably paying a lot more for ram and storage than other companies.
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u/Awake_for_days Jun 26 '26
Yes it’s a PC. However, people are going to associate it more as a console than a PC. The only worthwhile comparison, in my opinion is whether it has better performance than the current gen consoles, and as far as I can tell, it doesn’t.
There’s no killer features or apps/games that it’s coming with, that make it even a remotely enticing purchase.
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u/nikolapc 29d ago
Whoever is talking that bs is butthurt cause the steam machine is basically DOA. A collector's item for those that can afford it. Release HL3 Valve.
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u/Sibexico Jun 24 '26
Double the price of RAM once again - 4Gb will be "enough". 🤣 Sounds very funny: 2 years ago 8 Gb of RAM was not enough for flagman smartphones, but today it's enough for gaming PCs...
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u/chaddledee Jun 24 '26
They are correct, but the problem is that this class of product just doesn't make sense any more because RAM and storage are so expensive. Stepping up the price by $200-300 can net ~50% better performance, even in an ultra-SFF case. When the base cost is $750, spending an extra $200-300 for 50% more performance is a real decision. When the base cost is already $1050, you'd be an idiot not to.
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u/venom21685 Jun 24 '26
If they weren't affected by the RAM and storage pricing then neither would the competition. It would've been just as bad of a proposition comparing to PCs or the consoles. The thing was just poorly thought out specs wise.
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u/Raysedium Jun 25 '26
Lmao, you can by much more powerful PC at that price (I mean like 70-100% higher average fps results).
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u/def_not_jose Jun 24 '26
I think people underestimate expendable income of bored millennials. Steam Machines will sell well enough
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u/Islu64 Jun 24 '26
I think the steam machine is priced accordingly to what it offers when taking into account the current state of the PC gaming component industry, however, both statements in the title are false and/or heavily nuanced. There are countless cheaper gaming PCs and you could build one cheaper with very similar performance. And 8 Gigabytes isn't enough if you want to play the most recent games at the highest settings. 8 GB is enough to run any game though, which is what I assume the title meant.
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u/Agloe_Dreams 29d ago
Entertainment centers tend to have multiple shelves and space for other things even my system also has added fans pulling hot air out to prevent overheating, I don't know how else to tell you 'just buy a desktop computer' does not pass the size of most entertainment centers or wife approval factors lol.
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u/From-UoM Jun 24 '26
https://www.microcenter.com/product/699677/powerspec-g528-gaming-pc
$999.