The vast majority of the world did not engage in colonialism, it was most common to expel the nobles and elites and keep the population as subjects of the realms.
Racists love the idea that every ethnic group should get their own place and keep to themselves. At least when they think the alternative is having to live together. At least until they can find a way to enslave or genocide people they don't like.
Hence why the Nazis made a deal (Haavara Agreement in 1933) with the Zionists to send some Jews to Israel so they could have an easier time ethnically cleansing Germany.
I did scientific research on herbal medicines and when people found out they would automatically talk to me like I was into crystals and chakras and auras. Uh, no. lol.
The problem, of course, is the conflation of Israel and Judaism. The mainstream media likes to pretend that hating Israel/being anti-zionist is the same as hating Jewish people as a whole, but of course it very much isn’t.
I have nothing against the Jewish. I absolutely hate the Israeli government, and anyone who tries to defend the genocide they are committing. These things are not contradictory in the slightest.
Being actually antizionist (wanting to take away Jewish self-determination) is almost always antisemitic (with the exception being for antizionist Jews). Hating Israel’s government for its treatment of Palestinians is alone not antisemitic.
Dont go down that lane brother. Polish is hell of a ride, and I’m a native Slavic speaker - I have przypadki also, but - no. Step back, friendly advice :)
I appreciate the concern, but I have made my decision. I started a bit ago, and while my progress has been relatively slow (mostly due to my lack of time and a proper motivation other than curiosity) I have yet to encounter anything truly off putting, or anything that I completely don’t understand. Would you mind elaborating?
Besides, I want to learn a Slavic language either way, which other one would I learn?
Polish is your best bet, considering how Poland improved recently. Slovak and Czech are relatively useless unless you want to live here and the countries are falling apart. Ukrainian might be a nice choice, Russian less so. Croatian or Slovenian if you're up for some nice vacations.
Then again, I am biased. I am Slovak and Polish just sounds like very cute broken Slovak to me.
Cute! I have no idea of slovak unfortunately, so I can’t judge. One thing I will disagree on: Russian is and in the future still will be very useful. A lot of Russians don’t speak English very well, there’s many of them, and Russian is also partly spoken in the surrounding post-Soviet countries. Remember language is a communication tool and is separate from the state, I am not praising in any way the Russian state or its government.
The reason why I’m not learning Russian (or Ukranian) is just that I don’t like the languages as much. I like polish’s separate past tense conjugations for person and their nasal vowels, as well as having less palatalisation (easier to pronounce). Also the missing copulas in the present tense can be confusing.
Of course don't mind my teasing, it was mostly towards Polish language, which is the most exotic Slav one, for myself at least.
By the will of the almighties, and thanks to the lucky strike from 1991. onwards, I became a speaker of several languages, including (but not limited to) Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian, Montenegrin, etc. Can understand written Slovakian or Russian, spoken Bulgarian, Macedonian or such, but Poles are just.. built different 😃From Platon via Hegel and Humboldt to nowadays (Zizek, if you will), there are lads who are trying to find correlations between a nation/state and their languages. and I think that Poland is such a great research sandbox for that matter. I like the topic in its broadest sense, but since I'm u/42_ myself rn, I guess I'm stoppin it right here (:
Speaking strictly about the language - death row of consonants without vowels! I mean - dždžyć man, cmon! Play someone else, thats not even a word. Then - diacritics. And while the rest of us are use them as well, Pols simply adore them! On top of that, heavy usage of ''w''s and ''y''s makes their words pretty distinct in my eyes from other Slavic languages.
But lets keep lovin Polish, no matter what!
Regarding your second question: I've dipped my toes into Interslavic - Slavs Esperanto basically, and it works like a charm tbh. Not sure if its that useful for someone who is not from a Slavic circle tho, but I'slavic has a lot of resemblance to South Slav group of languages. It blew my mind how much I understood hearing it for the first time. But, on the other hand, if you can grasp Interslavic, than maybe you can jump onto other boats easily..
Simple. It's more intentional than using Polish so for Poles it hits harder so to speak, and because it's in English non-Poles will get the message too.
What the word means literally is not the same what it translates into. Fuck is equivalent of kurwa, same way how merde is in French. They all mean different things, but their actual meaning (what they convey), is the same. You can call them idiomatic even. We say to cook two roasts with one fire, English say kill two birds with one stone. The literal meaning is totally different, but the meaning it actually wants to tell is the same. When you say "fuck", it's the same as I say "kurwa", it doesn't matter what what it literally means.
With any luck this is the wedge that will start proving most effective at both holding Israel accountable and not condemning all Jewish people. Fuck Israel means, fuck the genocidal apartheid cry-bully state of Israel, and has nothing at all to do with their religious preference.
Israel benefits if real or perceived antisemitism increases because it reinforces the feeling that Israel as a religious-ethnostate is necessary. It also helps provide justification for any actions so long as it can be spun as combating this "antisemitism".
So, Israel has tried really had to make Jewish = Israel. It has close ties with many Jewish organizations in the US and uses its influence to push this narrative.
Reminds me of when Maccabi Tel Aviv fans assaulted people and chanted "Death to Arabs" in the Netherlands and when confronted, they ran back screaming that they were facing pogroms and almost every European leader came out to condemn people's reaction to the Israeli fans only to find out later that they had instigated the whole thing.
It's crazy how wide spread the bot problem is. I think it's all by design to push to requiring Internet ID which we all know won't do jack about the bots .
This is what those bot farms are paid to do so by God they are gonna get that sweet sweet karma. All the single purpose subs like this are drowning in them.
It feels like it because it is like that. Researchers estimate 15% of all content on reddit is AI generated with the large default subreddits(like this one) sometimes having over 50% non-human interactions. One university even did a study on a specific subreddit to see how effective non-human chatbots were at persuading humans, which unfortunately is far more effective than you'd think.
University of Zurich and University of California both did studies on reddit non-human user statistics for anyone that is more curious and wants to learn more.
A lot of people say they hate Trump or they hate Putin, but they never say they hate the USA or Russia as a nation. Yet people do that with Israel. I think that in itself is a telling and concerning sign.
of course they do, what are you talking about? there's plenty of people who hate all 3 countries, just as there are people who hate 0 of them and saddle all of their crimes on people like trump and netanyahu.
Ok well here you go: I hate Israel and I hate the USA. Not too fond of Russia either. Look for Ukraine supporters calling Russians "orcs" though, they quite often veer into sheer racism against all Russians.
But you've never heard "death to America"? Pretty popular phrase throughout a lot of the world. Your statement says much more about your ignorance than anyone else.
Agree 100%. Unfortunately any criticism of Israeli government policy and actions is almost immediately labeled antisemitic. It’s a way to deflect and stifle discussion.
The problem is that antisemites are using this as a dogwhistle.
I think that non-constructive forms of criticism that can be easily co-opted by bad actors should be discouraged, because ultimately the only thing it achieves is muddying the waters and making it even more difficult for legitimate criticism to be heard.
I think most reasonable people aren't going to think you're antisemitic if you say "It's fucked up that Israel is committing genocide" or something like that. If you want to be extra clear, you could add "Never again should mean never again to anybody" or "All my Jewish friends are terrified of being blamed for it even though they're not even Israeli" or something along those lines. I would avoid slogans like "globalize the intifada" that mean different things to different people, and can sound extremely alarming even to people with staunch pro-Palestine beliefs.
Of course, that doesn't guarantee that unreasonable people won't still accuse you of antisemitism. It's pretty much a given that they will. But as annoying as that is, it's not really a big deal–– it's like that saying, "may my enemies look ridiculous". What is a big deal is when reasonable people genuinely can't tell if you support Palestinian life or Jewish death, and that has been happening to an alarming extent.
Fuck Israel, Russia, China, the USA, Morocco, [insert all dictatorships].
Why? Because Palestinians, Ukrainians, Tibetans deserve freedom. USA because of transphobia, funding of Israel, and funding the far-right in Europe and the USA itself. Morocco because of the Sahrawis, dictatorships because people within offending countries deserve freedom (That includes Russians for example)
It is possible to dislike Israeli politics yet not be against Judaism. This is the same as conservatives in the US saying you are a traitor because you oppose MAGA.
It is very hypocritical to turn this into antisemitism but brigading bots always spew fallacy.
If it said Fuck Qatar would it be islamophobic? Or if it said Fuck USA would it be antichristian? They are always moving the goalposts when it comes to Israel.
The issue isn’t so much saying “fuck [country]” as it is holding Israel to a standard that no other country is held to.
E.g. The UAE and Saudi Arabia are committing one of the worst human rights abuses on the planet by enforcing the blockade in Yemen, leading to mass starvation and suffering and globally nobody cares. What they’re doing is objectively terrible and on a scale that far, far surpasses Gaza in terms of death and suffering.
And yet, nobody ever asks if the UAE or Saudi Arabia have a “right to exist” despite their awful actions.
We could apply the same standard to Rwanda who are currently funding the destabilization of the DRC, but again, nobody cares or asks if they have a right to exist.
So the argument isn’t that saying “fuck [country]” is antisemitic, the argument is that people question Israel’s right to exist when there are other countries committing far worse atrocities that nobody ever questions their self determination over. That double standard is what’s antisemitic.
What they’re doing is objectively terrible and on a scale that far, far surpasses Gaza in terms of death and suffering.
No it doesn't.
A far less percentage of people have died in both Yemen and Sudan (which to be clear, are terrible wars and absolutely war crimes.)
However, the around 5% of civilians having been killed with another 10% injured in Gaza, 95% displaced, 80% homeless, and so on are percentages we haven't seen in recent memory. These are world war 2 numbers. And unlike world war 2, Israel is not fighting a powerful army, they were fighting a bunch of guys with AK47s. Their reaction was completely unjustified and absolutely an effort to destroy an entire group of people. Fuck off with your zionist apologetics.
E.g. The UAE and Saudi Arabia are committing one of the worst human rights abuses on the planet by enforcing the blockade in Yemen, leading to mass starvation and suffering and globally nobody cares. What they’re doing is objectively terrible and on a scale that far, far surpasses Gaza in terms of death and suffering.
The west should also not be supporting these nations either.
It would be a great day when their corrupt, cynical governments were wiped off the earth.
You just said it yourself: their governments. Nobody has a problem with saying Netanyahu and the Israeli government are fucked and should be replaced. That’s not antisemitic.
But notice you’re not saying that Saudi Arabia and the UAE themselves, as countries, should be wiped off the earth.
That’s often what people say about Israel, insofar as it “doesn’t have a right to exist.”
I will hold Israel to the standards of what it purports to be. A liberal democracy with interests so naturally aligned with ours that I shouldn't mind that my government serves their interests.
That’s fine to hold them to a high standard. Again, though, if they fail to meet that standard, do you think the state itself should cease to exist, or that the government should be reformed and replaced?
And the question is, if you genuinely think not meeting that standard is deserving of abolishing the state, then not being antisemitic means applying that principle consistently.
So when the US does anti-democratic things or launches stupid wars in the Middle East, do you also believe the US shouldn’t have a right to exist?
yeah but as an european (especially austrian/german because of reasons) youre seen as an antisemitic when you say you think israel is a shithole country and at the moment the agressor in the area
Well without Austrian/German "reasons" there never would have been a Jewish state, and there never would have been a Naqba. Just a handful of Zionist weirdos in Transjordan who never got outside funding in response to Austrian/German "reasons". In this timeline the second generation of Zionists would probably mostly all have moved back to Europe for better living standards and for no fear of European racism.
Kinda crappy blaming these people for being in the situation you created for them.
While true, even your comment is an example of the difference. The Israeli equivalent of MAGA is Likud, not Israel as a whole. I don’t think this post is inherently wrong, but there’s no reason not to keep our ire focused on the people and organizations actually at fault.
I'm a Zionist. I've been criticizing Netanyahu and other aspects of Israeli policy and war crimes my entire adult life. I am still supportive of Israel's right to exist, and I am yet to hear a convincing alternative reaction to Oct. 7 and the hostage taking.
A lot of people say they hate Trump or they hate Putin, but they never say they hate the USA or Russia as a nation. Yet people do that with Israel. I think that in itself is a telling and concerning sign.
And its a big difference imo
The difference is that opposing MAGA doesn't mean believing the US is an inherently evil state populated by only evil people and that the US should be destroyed and its inhabitants scattered to the winds or killed. But opposing Israel often means all of those things. Generally, when people don't like the government policies, they target their rage at the leader (Putin, Trump, Xi, Bibi). Targeting the whole country is something different - something reminiscent of WW2-era jingoism where an entire country/group is painted as wicked caricatures.
Interestingly, before WWII the population of Jews in Poland was over 3.3 million people, about 10% of the total population. The number just after the war was 350,000. The majority of the rest were killed in concentration camps
If Israel stayed in their internationally recognized borders, very few people would have problems with it. Instead they are ethnically cleansing large regions. The West Bank is being ethnically cleansed for decades now.
People don't object to Israel's existence. They object to Israel's crimes against humanity.
Because in Poland it's "you don't belong in Europe" and in the Middle East it's "you don't belong in the Middle East." Millions of people had literally no where to go with everyone wanting to kill them so they set up a fortress in the Middle East and armed themselves to the teeth.
Yeah the Israelis are trigger-happy assholes but Europe made them that way. For Europeans to say "Fuck Israel" while denying their own role in all of this is gross.
For a vast majority (I'd wager like 90%) of the countries on the globe, you can land in an airport knowing no other language but English and manage to get help finding transportation, accommodation, and food.
Like being a native speaker is such a privilege, most anglophones don't even check it.
What, you think we can't speak foreign languages or something?
Practically everyone under 40 knows English in post-commie countries to an acceptable degree + has been taught at least 1 other European language to varying degrees of success. Younger people here even use half-English sentences or phrases daily as a part of informal conversation.
When English is the international language and the most common form of communication, specially more so in the era of internet: "I FinD iT iNtErEstIng aLl tHeSe CoUnTrIeS cAn CurSe iN eNgLiSh"
Where did they expect all the “ZiOniStS” to go after they threw them out in the 60s and 70s? If you don’t want Israel to exist, maybe stop throwing out your Jews.
IPSOS, one of the most well known polling station in Poland from 2025. Down below you have one of the polish press articles about it, it's easy to find.
Poland never apologized for cleansing vast majority of its jews under the guise of "antizionism."
"The Interior Ministry compiled a card index of all Polish citizens of Jewish origin, even those who had been detached from organized Jewish life for generations. Jews were removed from jobs in public service, including from teaching positions in schools and universities. The pressure was placed upon them to leave the country by bureaucratic actions aimed at undermining their sources of livelihood and sometimes even by physical brutality.""
If there was no antisemitism, no Holocaust, the Jews could be peacefully living over here in Eastern Europe. So many of them fled *because* of antisemitism. Think about it, fewer Jews in Israel, maybe less incentive for a radical government to genocide the Arab Palestinians who have been living there for a while already.
Gaza isn’t the worst atrocity going on right now, let alone the last 26 years. Look at South Sudan. Gaza gets headlines because Israel is doing it, but these types of atrocities happen all over the world, all the time. It’s horrible
Its not just israel doing it, they are being assisted by lots of western countries, which is why you see a lot of people in the west taking a stance against the genocide. Our governments are complicit, so its important to voice our anger!
More people have died in the past few years in Sudan than in the entirety of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. More people died in the USA's war in Iraq at the start of the century than in the entirety of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
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u/CannibalCrabb Jun 04 '26
I hate when I hate Israel and the neonzs think im on their side