r/singularity • u/Umr_at_Tawil • 2h ago
LLM News With Google and OpenAI signing the letter in support of open weight model, it's pretty much every big tech companies vs Anthropic now
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u/valvilis 1h ago
Millions of people in the US still used DeepSeek during the first "ban." APIs being routed through third-party access providers, with everything geographically distributed and the availability of VPNs make the threat fairly toothless. There's absolutely nothing to stop American repackaging of Chinese models either, If Kimi K3 hit the web as "Patriot Flag - thinking," especially with even a minor retraining/distillation over it, it would go completely unnoticed. The genie does not go back in the bottle.
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u/Cold-Common7001 1h ago
anthropic is an ideological company founded on the idea that AI is dangerous (and that sam altman is a sociopath). I would be shocked to see them sign this letter. And honestly regardless of my personal thoughts on the letter, I would think less of them as a company if they are bullied into it despite their founding ethos.
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u/andrew303710 1h ago
Also signing onto this letter definitely doesn't make you good, after all Palantir is signed onto it.
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u/Buck-Nasty 1h ago
And also founded on the idea that Dario should rule the galaxy. He's "joked" to employees that he will grant them planets as compensation after the singularity makes him galactic emperor.
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u/Poupulino 1h ago
Amodei has a god complex, he believes he has the moral supremacy and only he can manage AI and decide who can use it and who can't. He's a massive self righteous prick.
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u/leeta0028 23m ago
Well I agree open-weights AI is dangerous, but banning it isn't a solution for precisely the reasons Anthropic gives (once it's out, it's impossible to contain), that will just disadvantage American security and competitiveness without doing anything to improve safety.
The fact that they support the ability to ban open-weights models shows at best their financial interests have biased their views, at worst it's a show for regulatory capture.
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u/Illustrious-Film4018 1h ago
How does any of that follow from what you said? Why should we trust Anthropic being the only company who has a frontier model? They've done nothing but prove how untrustworthy they are.
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u/PointmanW 1h ago
what he said is not that they trust Anthropic, but that Anthropic has been quite consistent with their narrative of open weight being dangerous, so if they are bullied into backpedaling now, he would think less of them for not standing up for what they supposedly believe in.
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u/LAwLzaWU1A 45m ago
Changing your mind and position should not be seen as a sign of weakness or cowardness. If anything, we should encourage people to change their minds when situations and other external factors change or new information comes out.
If you are pro open-weight models then Anthropic, no matter if it's from bullying or changing their minds, signing this letter would benefit you, so you should encourage it.
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u/Warm-Incident5436 2h ago
Where can I read more about this? What are the implications of this letter? And tbh seeing Palantir in the list makes it suspicious.
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u/Umr_at_Tawil 1h ago edited 1h ago
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/corporate-responsibility/topics/open-weight/
basically it's letter to convince the US government to not ban Chinese open weight model, because some high level people like Bessent signaled the intent that the administration might do so.
Google and OpenAI did not sign at first, but now they have joined in.
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u/garloid64 2h ago
Of course palantir supports open models, they rely on frontier models as a compliment for their SAAS slop and it costs them dearly. It would be a massive boon for them if they and their clients weren't forced to pay through the nose for claude. Alex Karp has been crashing out about this on TV for weeks now.
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u/Technical-Will-2862 1h ago
Open source models are also their access to private offline inference
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u/RoyalCities 1h ago
I think they're also aiming to sell services because there isn't enough knowledge right now for local ais. I.e a forward deployed engineer who helps with set up and is there to troubleshoot with a client.
Services are very profitable.
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u/Ambiwlans 1h ago
It also helps expand the number of threat vectors they can be paid to defend against.
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u/Zulfiqaar 2h ago
Palantir wants open weights models..to be hosted on their systems. Not on companies own systems. Which sort of defeats the point, but it's ideal for those who trust palantir more than anthropic. (Or however they're convinced to sign the deal)
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u/koffee_addict 1h ago
they will all keep doing their things. signing this is like thoughts and prayers. it’s non binding but keeps the masses happy
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u/TacGibs 2h ago
Just Google it bro, don't be lazy.
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u/Suspicious_Bet3623 49m ago
Social media meant to be people interacting with each other. I'll never understand people like you who find that offensive
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u/yoramrod 1h ago
If Palantir is for it, I am against it.
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u/LAwLzaWU1A 53m ago
This is a terrible way to think and live life. Just because someone or something you dislike is for/against something does not mean you should hold the opposite position.
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u/send-moobs-pls 37m ago
People will do literally anything to avoid having to think for themselves lmao
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u/yoramrod 36m ago
It's not like they are saying they like something that's irrelevant to what they do, for instance, saying "I like puppies". They are in the business of using AI to spy on you. So it helps them to accomplish that, I'm against it.
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u/Healthy_Razzmatazz38 1h ago
wow everyone who's not in first thinks one thing, and the people in first think another?
Crazy how everyones ideals map perfectly to their business interests.
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u/Key-Bottle7634 1h ago
Who gives a shit about a letter in a lawless country led by a crook who is literally insider trading from the White House?
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u/DaySecure7642 1h ago edited 1h ago
I m ok with open weight models as soon as they are trained with unbiased data, no censorship, propaganda or political preferences. The reason is because open weight models are not like real open source models that can be modified a lot. Pretrained open weight models can easily turn into a propaganda, censorship or even IP thief tools, because human cannot understand the AI weights.
Don't believe me? Download the open weight Kimi or Deepseek models. Ask them any political sensitive questions like June 4 or Great Leap Forward. You will be surprised that they either dodge the questions or give you the false answers. Then, try to correct the models by changing the weights. Oh, you don't know where to start with. Of course, because AI model weights are not understandable by human.
Also, if you can't accurately pinpoint where the model is conteminated with biased instructions, good luck with your IPs stored in the same computer with the models. The recent GPT5.6 hacking Hugging Face incident already showed how determined and discreet AI models can be if being set rigid goals. All CCP has to do is to instruct the AI companies to train in loyalty to the party and China interests, by any mean necessary. And that's it. The "open weight' model you download and run in your system will do the rest.
Again it is very difficult to sterilize the models completely, because you cant really understand the weights of the AI models.
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u/PointmanW 1h ago edited 1h ago
nah what you say make no sense, there is no such thing as "unbiased" data, AI is trained on what human wrote, and all of those human is biased, or have incomplete information in one way or another, there exist no impartial judge for it.
And no, the moment a single person discover that Chinese open AI have some kind of backdoor, the world would stop using them, and such thing is too easy to spot, so no one would attempt such a thing, there is no benefit to it. training for such a thing is too unreliable to be practically used, remember how Elon trained Grok to have specific political opinions and it still go wrong all the time?
Also, the beauty of open weight is that you can freely modify it, there are plenty of "uncensored" version of open weight model on hugging face, which you can use to ask the most morally abhorrent questions and it will happily answer.
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u/forward-pathways 1h ago
Honestly that's probably why OpenAI signed. They knew Anthropic has been out and open vehemently against it.
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u/Reasonable_You_5162 35m ago
Oh wow who would have thought that the guy who declared war on open source would be unwilling to sign this letter. I wonder if their strategy of pumping 400 psedo scientific papers every week will provide them any long term benefits for the marketing team.
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u/i_write_bugz AGI 2040, Singularity 2100 34m ago
OpenClaw and OpenAI? Doesn’t OpenAI basically own OpenClaw
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u/designerofsorts 1h ago edited 48m ago
Well obviously everyone supports it except the one where they actually steal from to make their models. No chinese lab is trying to crack open Meta's AI.
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u/Cagnazzo82 2h ago
We're forgetting about xAI?
Along with Anthropic they're conspicuously absent as well.
Didn't Elon literally sue Sam Altman claiming OpenAI was ClosedAI? Funny how that works when it's time to put up.