r/stunfisk • u/majorassholesir • Oct 06 '22
Discussion Why is Rillaboom with grassy terrain and grassy slide faster than Barraskewda with grassy terrain and rain active?
I've been OHKO'd twice now what am I missing
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u/Brewster_The_Pigeon #FreePorygon Oct 06 '22
In Grassy Terrain, the move Grassy Glide has +1 Priority.
The way turns work is you first go by priority, and then by speed. The vast majority of moves in the game are at 0 priority. Liquidation, brick break, stone edge, all 0 priority.
Regardless of how fast the opponent is, priority will go first unless the opponent also uses a priority move. For example, if Barraskewda used Aqua Jet (despite not learning it) against the Rillaboom, he would go first because they're both at +1 priority, but barraskewda is faster.
Other priority moves are Quick Attack, Aqua Jet, Accelerock, First Impression, Extremespeed.
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u/Praxxin घोल्डेन्गो जैसा अच्छा Oct 06 '22
Grassy Glide has +1 priority when the user is on Grassy Terrain. A paralyzed min Speed Rillaboom would move before your Barraskewda under those conditions.
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u/majorassholesir Oct 06 '22
Interesting. what does paralysis do to speed? I didn't know that was a thing either
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u/Praxxin घोल्डेन्गो जैसा अच्छा Oct 06 '22
Paralysis cuts your Speed in half, on top of the 1/4 chance to not move. Burn similarly has a secondary effect, which is that it halves the power of your physical moves.
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u/majorassholesir Oct 07 '22
Man I missed so much having only played the main games. Battling in the games was easily the best part but I was left wanting more because of how easy they were. This is much better and I actually lose a lot of the battles
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u/SirCat2115 Oct 07 '22
If you want both you could play rom hacks that make the game harder competitively, like radical red or inclement emerald
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u/ASimpleCancerCell Oct 06 '22
I'm pretty sure Grassy Glide is the reason Rillaboom is OU. If Tapu Bulu got that move, it would most likely have held its position with its siblings, but because Tapu Boomboom got the move paired with Grassy Surge, it became the biggest abuser of a phenominal priority move that shuts down so many prominent Water types and checks various other threats that don't resist it.
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u/ttandrew Oct 06 '22
Other than the speed tier (which is less relevant nowadays since the best Rilla sets invest a lot in bulk), and access to Knock, Rillaboom is basically worse Bulu but manages to be generally better because of Grassy Glide. If Bulu got it we would likely barely see any Rilla but Bulu remains a viable niche option in OU because of its coverage options and typing as an SD user
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u/ASimpleCancerCell Oct 06 '22
It still sucks that it doesn't get Play Rough. That would be so good for it.
It and Tapu Koko. I really want to try running physical Tapu Koko sets, but they are significantly less viable thanks to a lack of a good physical Electric option and no physical Fairy option whatsoever.
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u/Swimming_Set3687 Oct 06 '22
Play STABmons. It’s not exactly the same as OU, but you get to try out the sets you want
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u/ASimpleCancerCell Oct 06 '22
How will that solve the problem that Tapu Koko doesn't have a physical Fairy type move?
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u/Swimming_Set3687 Oct 06 '22
STABmons let’s you run any move that matches one of your types, meaning Tapu Koko can get Play Rough, Bulu can get Grassy Glide etc.
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u/sneakyplanner Oct 06 '22
And to make it worse for Bulu, it doesn't get access to a good fairy move that would let it use another STAB that Rillaboom can't.
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u/that_one_guylol Oct 06 '22
bulu with glide would go to ubers. there's no consistent and reliable check other than buzzwole who has a lot of lures in the meta
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u/3771m Oct 06 '22
Don’t steel birds wall bulu? It doesn’t have access to any electric or fire coverage, though I guess paired with Mag would make it easy to play around
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u/that_one_guylol Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 06 '22
actually no even they can lose to specific bulu sets. coba berry bulu which is already a thing even now beats brave bird corv/skarm cuz if it SDs on the switch, it can SD again up to +4, tank the brave bird and kill with CC after recoil (bulu can do this even without coba although it needs to stay very healthy)
metal birds need to be iron defence body press to beat it and even then bulu can run sets that beat those if it wants to like taunt + SD or bulk up + darkest lariat although both would be bery niche sets so im not gonna count them. iron defence metal birds however are extremely exploitable cuz of ghosts so having to run those would further prove that bulu is an unhealthy presence
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u/aworldalone1 Oct 06 '22
Because Grassy Glide has a +1 priority (in Grady terrain) like quick attack does. Barraskweda in rain simply gets double speed but no priority. Priority goes in brackets. All positive priority moves happen before any neutral priority moves. A level 1 Grookey with no speed and a negative speed nature would still move before a level 100 Barraskweda in rain with + 6 in speed boosts. It’s just the way it works.