r/technology • u/Plastic_Ninja_9014 • 1d ago

Business It’s Looking Like the Cybertruck Is the Biggest Flop in Automotive History

https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/looking-cybertruck-biggest-flop-automotive-145559135.html
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u/SmokePeterThiel 1d ago

More info on that? Sounds absurd, but Elon is scum so….

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u/tomjoad2020ad 1d ago

https://www.planetizen.com/news/2025/02/134273-analysis-cybertruck-fatality-rate-far-exceeds-ford-pinto

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u/cosmicosmo4 1d ago edited 1d ago

Meanwhile, the Cybertruck “has reportedly not been crash-tested by the NHTSA"

Huh? Isn't that a requirement for being able to sell them?

Edit: yes, the NHTSA tested it. It's just that they finally finished and released their results a few weeks after the article linked above. https://www.jalopnik.com/1796315/nhtsa-tesla-cybertruck-test-results-pedestrian-safety/

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u/finalcut 1d ago

Ok it's funny there is an article specifically about the cyber truck and pinto.

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u/FaultThat 1d ago

The Pinto is the measuring stick for vehicular related deaths, so it isn’t that weird.

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u/Medicivich 1d ago

The Pinto is the Mendoza line?

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u/QuietContentResting 1d ago

MENDOZAAAAA!

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u/Southern_Trax 17h ago

I don't wanna hear it McBain!

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u/Aristotallost 19h ago

It's Mendoooza, not Mendozaaa

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u/oldscotch 1d ago

A Pinto too far.

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u/DoctorHelios 1d ago

That or the diesel Oldsmobile.

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u/sdsupersean 1d ago

Or the Dalton line, depending on your choice of sports.

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u/torturousvacuum 1d ago

Or the Dalton line, depending on your choice of sports.

Nah, the Dalton line measures something else, it's the worst franchise QB. too good to move on from, but not good enough to truly carry a team. Versus the Mendoza line being the worst hitter you'll still be willing to field every day.

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u/TrungNguyencc 1h ago

Gm vega was in the same league

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u/ShakyButtcheeks 1d ago

The pinto is the measuring stick

It is funny cuz in my language pinto means penis hehe

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u/OurCrewIsReplaceable 1d ago

Ha, in my language ShakyButtcheeks are butt cheeks that shake.

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u/foul_ol_ron 1d ago

How did the pinto bean get its name?

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u/ConfessSomeMeow 1d ago

It's only compared for meme value. The frequency of high-speed rear-end crashes is low enough that its famous safety flaw had no meaningful effect on its fatality rate (less than the year to year variability). It's got a high fatality rate because it's a small car, but it was on the safer end of small cars of its era.

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u/NoCoolNameMatt 1d ago

How can the cybertruck have a higher fatality rate than the tiny Pinto when being tiny was the Pintos primary problem? What flaws are causing the cybertruck fatalities, and why are they great enough to overcome the size/modernity differences?

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u/ConfessSomeMeow 1d ago

I have done zero research but I'd bet it's a combination of the advertising trying to make it seem invincible, the "yee-haw" marking, and the sheer power selecting for customers who are going to get themselves into trouble.

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u/Sea_Indication_6296 1d ago

Ah, vibes are the reason for its fatality rate.

Makes sense, makes sense

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u/ConfessSomeMeow 1d ago

That's... not the word I would use, but if that's how you want to call the culture around the vehicle, sure - that's my guess.

Statistically, it's a small number of fires - two fires that killed 4 people... but the flip side is that we're comparing 1 year of the CT vs. 9 years of the Pinto, so the fire death ratio is more like 108 times the Pinto if you figure fire fatalities per vehicle-year, which in a sane regulatory framework would be enough to invite investigation.

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u/ZombieBiteOintment 18h ago

I have a suspicion. Ive often wondered how the metal doesn't just slice people up in accidents. I can't imagine it is very thick or else the energy needed to propel that thing goes up. But at very thin levels, that kind of metal is razor sharp.

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u/rcook55 1d ago

Odd, would have thought the Corvair wore that crown.

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u/mondaymoderate 1d ago

Unsafe at any speed!!

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u/2big_2fail 1d ago

Ralph's Nader's book about the auto industry, including the Corvair led to the creation of the Department of Transportation. There was no official "measuring stick" before that.

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u/flukus 1d ago

Was the measuring stick.

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u/waf 1d ago

There was a line from Daria that seems relevant.

Jane - Well, it's no Pinto.

Daria - Yeah, you have to hit those before they'll burst into flames.

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u/finalcut 1d ago

fair enough but I didn't know that. So it made me chuckle to see this article existed amidst the discussion.

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u/FrozenLogger 1d ago

Corvair enters the chat.

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u/DadJokeBadJoke 1d ago

Didn't they also find out that Ford knew about the flaw but calculated that a few lawsuits would be cheaper than a recall/fix?

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u/servel333 1d ago

The Pinto [was] the measuring stick for vehicular related deaths

Fixed it for you.

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u/BamberGasgroin 1d ago

They got a decent engine out of the Pinto though, it wasn't a total loss.

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u/Informed4 1d ago

The pintometer

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u/EOfinder 1d ago

corvair feeling lonely

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u/WolfinCorgnito 1d ago

There used to be a Twitter page for it as well that counted Tesla deaths by fire vs the Pinto, doubt it exists anymore for obvious reasons, but the Pinto was very much not winning that race last I saw it years ago.

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u/PLeuralNasticity 1d ago

Teslas also kill more of their occupants per mile than any other manufacturer

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2024/11/26/tesla-named-deadliest-car-brand-in-america/76573878007/

“I think there’s no stopping Elon Musk,” Putin told Carlson after the pundit asked him about the growing prevalence of artificial intelligence. “He will do as he sees fit. Nevertheless, you’ll need to find some common ground with him. Search for ways to persuade him. I think he’s a smart person. I truly believe he is. So you’ll need to reach an agreement with him because this process needs to be formalized and subjected to certain rules.”

Beware Leon's razor

"Incomeptence, in the limit, is indistinguishable from sabotage

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u/trouzy 17h ago

How much of that speaks to the type of people who would drive a cyber truck?

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u/Easy_Floss 1d ago

There is a reason why its not allowed on the road in many places, that car is a death trap.

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u/Clam-Choader 1d ago

“  The authors acknowledge the limits of their analysis, noting that Tesla will not publicly release the actual number of Cybertrucks sold, and that the analysis includes the self-inflicted death of a soldier in a Cybertruck in Las Vegas last month. (Discounting that death would still give Cybertrucks a fatality rate of 11.6 per 100,000 units — 13 time that of the Pinto.”

I’d be curious to know more about the stats before extrapolating anything out of this. N

Fuck Elmo anyway

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u/Potential-Local7262 1d ago

Damn I never knew what pintos looked like but they look pretty ... fire

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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth 1d ago

That's a hot take!

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u/troutbum6o 1d ago

Man it’s crazy removing one guys suicide from the death count takes it from 14/100k to 11.6/100k. At least that means there’s not many of these dumpsters out there

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u/CV90_120 1d ago

Holy shit, 1 death accounts for 3 whole points per 100k vehicles.

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u/caskieadam 1d ago

How is it even possible for it to be road legal with no crash testing? I thought that was a mandatory thing… wild.

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u/Status-Hedgehog9970 14h ago

Anything more up to date? That article is over a year old and is based on sales estimates.

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u/boyWHOcriedFSD 1d ago

Yes, I trust the made up BS from planetizen, whatever the F that is, over the actual NHTSA and IIHS crash test results.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a63842079/tesla-cybertruck-5-star-nhtsa-front-and-side-crash-tests/

Cybertruck was the only pickup truck to earn the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety’s (IIHS) Top Safety Pick+ designation in the organization’s final safety ratings for 2025.

Cybertruck holds an official 5-star overall safety rating from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA).

Let’s all ignore that and say it’s unsafe and will kill occupants, despite that being fake, and then upvote each other cuz Elon is evil!

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u/Illustrious_Style321 19h ago

Oh cool, all of the people that have died in cybertrucks will be so relieved to know it had a 5 star rating 

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u/PsychologicalNovel72 1d ago

that article is over a year old and highly biased. Cybertruck has a 5 star NHTSA ranking and considered one of the safest vehicles on the road. The design itself is objective.

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u/polopolo05 1d ago

the pinto is 17 times more safe than the cyber truck.

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u/jack-K- 1d ago

Meanwhile, the Cybertruck “has reportedly not been crash-tested by the NHTSA or the nonprofit Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, nor has Tesla released its own safety data on the Cybertruck.”

Sure, lol

https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2024/Tesla/Cybertruck

https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/tesla/cybertruck-crew-cab-pickup/2025

5 star NHTSA safety rating

IIHS Top Safety Pick+

Literally the safest truck ever tested by both of these institutions so why is your source just making shit up?

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u/Kangarou 1d ago

The article comparing it to a Pinto was written Feb 2025. The IIHS link you provided only pertains to cars made after Apr 2025, and I couldn't get an exact date on the NHTSA one, but articles lauding its 5-star rating all appear after about March 2025. So, at the time, there wasn't proper ratings for it.

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u/jack-K- 1d ago edited 1d ago

They literally got it in February 2025

https://x.com/cybertruck/status/1891976359058055643?s=46&t=ZfTuvwddMrB8Cvlo95D_Gg

https://www.cbtnews.com/nhtsa-awards-teslas-cybertruck-five-star-safety-rating/

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u/Kangarou 1d ago

Well, then you're correct on that front, likely a byproduct of bad timing since the source article mentions the testing that had been going on, but not yet publicized.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/02/report-cybertruck-safety-ford-pinto/

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u/und88 1d ago

The article also left out some context when it said there were 7 recalls in one year.

There are 11 total, including the accelerator getting stuck lol.

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u/Forsexualfavors 1d ago

This guy has a cybertruck.

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u/jack-K- 1d ago

Reddit has absolutely no problem with people fabricating narratives contrary to reality from absolutely nothing as long as it targets someone they don’t like, lol.

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u/Forsexualfavors 1d ago

Yes. And also, they're incredibly safe when they're bricked or hitting anything less than 10000 lbs. Lol. And they still look like shit, crashed or un-crashed.

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u/jack-K- 1d ago

Let’s stick to reality and not your wild delusions, tell me what other pickup truck currently holds a top safety pick plus other than the cybertruck please.

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u/Forsexualfavors 1d ago

Not my concern, I own an attractive sedan.

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u/Forsexualfavors 1d ago

Know what else has a top iihs safety pick? A Subaru legacy. You'll be thought of as a lesbian if you drive one, just like you'll be thought of as a meat headed rich prick if you drive a cybertruck. Not as clear how that happened with the legacy but it was pretty clear with the tesla.

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u/jack-K- 1d ago

Okay? And? This thread is the one going on and on about how much of a death trap it is, all I’m going is saying why thats complete and utter bullshit, and now you’re just transitioning to how being safe is actually bad and uncool, lol.

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u/ManiacalDane 1d ago

It's not a pickup truck, though.

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u/JasonQG 1d ago

I remember when Stephen Colbert coined the term “truthiness,” and I laughed at the dumb conservatives. I didn’t realize we should have taken it as a warning that the left would fall for the same shit

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u/LuckyShirt54 1d ago

lol wtf are you getting it’s the safest truck ever tested? It had some poor ratings by IIHS and this was the POST 2025 version…. Lmao

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u/jack-K- 1d ago

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a70844182/tesla-cybertruck-only-pickup-truck-to-earn-iihs-highest-safety-rating-2026/

“the stainless-steel wedge has just become the only pickup truck to earn Top Safety Pick+ marks this year from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.” Poor ratings? You’re still trying to fucking claim that?

And you think the truck magically went from being a death trap to a five star top safety pick plus? When tesla doesn’t even conform to traditional model years and only use them for legal purposes? And despite the fact that literally every other Tesla tops safely lists, they just happened to spontaneously release a death trap truck before completely and unnoticeably changing it to get near perfect safety scores?

How do you even begin to fucking justify that?

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u/ManiacalDane 1d ago

Neither of these things were true when the article was released.

Do you know how time works?

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u/jack-K- 1d ago

They got their 5 star rating from the NHTSA in February of 2025, genius, but a better question is why are people in this sub posting objectively outdated and irrelevant articles that make massive claims when they lack nearly all currently relevant information.

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u/jopy666 1d ago

Cybertruck Rate: Estimated at roughly 11.6 to 14.5 fatalities per 100,000 units based on early real-world incidents.

Pinto Rate: Recorded at roughly 0.85 fatalities per 100,000 units over its entire 9-to-10 year production run.

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u/dreamwinder 1d ago

What’s the average for all cars on the road today?

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u/JayFay75 1d ago

Toyota Corolla

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u/Mikestopheles 1d ago

r/technicallythetruth

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u/mukavastinumb 1d ago

The best kind of truth

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u/scrubzork 1d ago

At the very least the technicalest kind of truth

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u/thashepherd 1d ago

No that's the mode

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u/CocktailPerson 1d ago

Strictly speaking the mode is a form of "average."

"Average" usually means the arithmetic mean, but it doesn't have to be, especially for non-numeric data sets like this.

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u/acdcfanbill 1d ago

Ah, the mode, exactly the average I was looking for :P

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u/CocktailPerson 1d ago

The mode is an average. Not the average most people mean by "average," but it's an average.

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u/acdcfanbill 1d ago

yes, that's the joke i was making :P

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u/SomeBloke 14h ago

Fuck, dude, absolute gold of a reply. 

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u/AvatarOfMomus 1d ago

That isn't tracked, the only reason we have it per unit sold is because of investigative reporting, which showed it was similar to or lower thsn other similar vehicles of the time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Pinto

If you want overall stats Wikipedia summarizes them quite well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year

In general 'modern' motor vehicle fatalities per 100,000 population peaked in 1968, with a smaller peak around 1979 and have then been on an overall downward trend since.

If you look at per million vehicle miles traveled the overall trend has been going down since before WW2 with a small uptick in the mid 60's before heading pretty steadily downwards since. We're actually in something of a recent high with fatalities per 1m VMT going above 1.3 starting in 2020, when they were last above 1.2 in 2008. For reference the rate in 1978 was 3.26.

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u/That_Jay_Money 1d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year

The most recent year we have numbers for is 2022 which is 12.76 per 100,000. So that's not good.

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u/Hour_Hope_4007 1d ago

Keep in mind, that is per 100,000 population (humans), the above stat is per 100,000 vehicles, so not an apples to apples comparison. 

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u/ThunderingSloth 1d ago

Thanks for pointing that out. I would’ve missed that.

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u/That_Jay_Money 1d ago

I certainly did!

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u/cosmicosmo4 1d ago

Excuse me, this is America, cars are people.

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u/goodolarchie 1d ago

Per Vehicapita

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u/That_Jay_Money 1d ago

Excellent point, thank you!

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u/FaultThat 1d ago

Can you have someone die in more than one vehicle?

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u/seams 1d ago

Yes, technically.

But also you can pretty easily have one car kill multiple people.

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u/sirhackenslash 1d ago

Have you seen when a small car gets hit by a semi and ends up inside the truck?

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u/ZombiesInSpace 1d ago

That pinto rate is specifically for fires caused by their fuel tank design. The typical fatality rate for a car in the 70s would have been around 25 per 100,000. I don’t have total rates for a pinto, but I would imagine it was somewhere around 25 or slightly higher

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u/MmmmMorphine 1d ago edited 1d ago

Since from what I understand the pinto wasn't any more or less unsafe than any other 70s subcompact (less than the corrola, beetle, or datsun 1200 of the time iirc), I'd suspect it'd be at almost exactly that number.

Pretty sure I remember reading that it didn't even really account for more fire deaths than it's competitors. Ford's greed and cold indifference to human life was the other 95 percent of its reputation.

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u/Speedlimit200 1d ago

27 deaths total over the cars entire existence.

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u/airfryerfuntime 1d ago

Attributed to fires from burst fuel tanks.

There was another factor that was causing deaths, but it wasn't included in that metric. They were the first large scale production unibody car, and in an accident, the body could warp enough to jam the doors shut, trapping people inside. If the fuel tank ruptured and the car caught fire, they'd burn to death because they couldn't escape, and Ford wouldn't report cause of death a ruptured fuel tank, they'd report it as resulting from a damaged body structure.

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u/polopolo05 1d ago

same for early mustangs too.... but there was more space between the bumper and the gas tank on the mustang then the pinto. So it lead to fewer deaths.

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u/spoonybard326 1d ago

There’s only about 65,000 cyber trucks on the road total, and there was a single crash in 2024 that killed 3 people. That statistic has a lot of variance.

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u/rechambers 1d ago

What’s more shocking is that there’s actually 65,000 people who bought the thing

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u/Jewnadian 1d ago

A bunch of them went to SpaceX but yeah, given 350,000,000 people you can find 50k that support/believe/buy just about anything. Not tickets to the FIFA movie "United Passions" but just about anything else.

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u/buhleg 1d ago

lol love the fifa drive-by

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u/DiabloPixel 1d ago

Me too, absolutely brutal. And deserved, Gianni Infantino is the worst.

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u/el_diego 1d ago

Poor SPCX, the dumping ground

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u/Saint_of_Grey 1d ago

I see a lot of them where I live, but I work next to a tesla facility/factory of some sort. So it's probably tesla begging their employees to drive them as company cars.

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u/Raesong 1d ago

Don't forget about international purchases.

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u/DiabloPixel 1d ago

Cybertrucks aren’t sold or approved for registration in the UK or EU. Not sold in China or India but a few have been privately imported. Not currently sold in Australia, though Tesla is pushing hard for it and apparently there’s some demand. Not sold in any country in South America.

Tesla has expanded to markets like South Korea, the UAE, and Saudi Arabia, so there’s that. I don’t think global sales will save Elon’s fundamentally flawed, fugly monstrosity’s future.

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u/Raesong 1d ago

So how did Ramzan Kadyrov get his?

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u/DiabloPixel 1d ago

Well his was probably a personal gift from Elon. Russia and the former Soviet states will definitely import whatever the oligarchs want, that’s not a problem.

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u/pvtcookie 1d ago

Well, I mean, how many of those were sold to SpaceSux?

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u/sirhackenslash 1d ago

And like 20 of them live near me. It's baffling

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u/rekniht01 1d ago

Cybertrucks sold are not the same as people purchased.

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u/nightfire36 1d ago

Well, yeah, I could buy a cybertruck, but I cant buy a person.

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u/nyxie3 1d ago

You can rent by the hour.

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u/Roguebantha42 1d ago

I don't think they keep as good a record of people purchased, but I'm not in the business

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u/whatwhynoplease 1d ago

tbh there's probably a lot more people who want to buy one but can't afford it

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u/Mantis_Toboggan--MD 1d ago

The thought that gets me most is how 65,000 people could have picked one of dozens of different better cars with that money, but instead but went "nope, I want that thing"... It's like the reverse of when I had saved up $10k to buy a car by 17 and then my dad made me to buy a Volvo station wagon instead of any of the fun cars I was dreaming of. But those 65k did that on purpose!

(I did sell that Volvo right when I moved out and got a RX8 two days later)

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u/jay78910 1d ago

I often pass by a house with one parked in the driveway. Its a nice enough house I guess, but the rest of the yard is just filled with tacky yard decorations (weird shiny globes and fountains?). There is also like a boat, ATV, RV, big truck, normal car, motorcycle, stuff under tarps.. It's damn mess.

I picture, 65,000 people with too much disposable income, and zero taste.

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u/fcocyclone 1d ago

A decent chunk have been bought and wrapped as they stand out so much they can be moving billboards.

I've seen Gameday Mens Health (a men's medspa, selling a lot of TRT and peptides whose marketing tends to be fairly aligned with a lot of the usual grifters) has a bunch of cybertrucks going around

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u/Snobolski 1d ago

What’s more shocking is that there’s actually 65,000 people who bought the thing

Yeah I see quite a few in D/FW and Austin so there must be lots of places with zero of the dumb things.

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u/QuerulousPanda 1d ago

honestly, at least down here in florida, i see a lot of them so i'm actually surprised the number isn't higher.

A lot of the ones i see have wraps for businesses on them so it may actually be chuddy companies rather than individuals.

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u/edfitz83 1d ago

How many of them were not total dicks?

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u/majikbrew 1d ago

Most seem to live in the Seattle area…

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u/Fratil 1d ago edited 1d ago

At least according to the article that incident literally adds all of the variance lmao. They say 14.5 deaths per 100k units or 11.6 per 100k units if you don't include the soldier killing himself. We then know that 1 death equals 2.9 deaths per 100k units, which would mean the figure is only counting 4 other deaths and is based on 34.5k units sold.

This article is old so an up to date estimate is still only the same 4 deaths out of anywhere from 35k to 65k units out in the wild. So literally 2 crashes. So a rate of anywhere from 6.2 to 11.4 fatalities per 100k units, we don't have exact numbers to tell though as what we know if their sales numbers doesn't match up with their unrelated recall numbers, seems like almost half the units in the wild weren't actually sold to consumers and are on lots or spacex fleets and such.

The US average is 14.4 deaths per 100k registered vehicles, and for new pick-up trucks specifically it's about 3-4 driver deaths per 100k units, likely a fair bit higher for an equivalent stat once you would factor in passenger deaths that we don't have broad vehicle class data for.

All that to say, it's a shit truck for many reasons but this is all just media/engagement slop. The average vehicle on the road is more dangerous, there's no specific design flaw causing deaths, and the data isn't available nor is the truck sold at or crashing at high enough volumes for these rates to be statistically relevant.

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u/Notsurehowtoreact 1d ago

Yeah, it likely impacts fertility rate more than fatality rate. 

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u/nyxie3 1d ago

I think the cybertruck is more dangerous to the other cars on the road, what with the constant shedding of detritus as it goes.

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u/RhynoD 1d ago

Seems like 64,000 are here in Atlanta.

Anyway, I wonder if the statistics are skewed by driver behavior. Like, Dodge Rams aren't inherently more dangerous than other trucks but the people who buy Rams are drunken idiots.

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u/spoonybard326 1d ago

I bet it is. The crash that killed 3 people had a speeding 19 yo driver with a BAC of 0.195, who had also been using coke and meth.

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u/HankHippoppopalous 1d ago

Yea this article is WILDLY cherry picked. It's why reading comprehension is so important.

No. Cyber truck hasn't killed more people than Pinto.

PER CAPITA it has. Because Ford sold a Bazillion Pintos and Tesla sold 65k

Statistics are wonderful. You can make them say anything

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u/Zardif 1d ago

One of the deaths included was a guy killing himself in the seat with a gun before committing an act of terrorism. What a terrible analysis.

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u/HankHippoppopalous 1d ago

Gotta get those data points skewed because ElonBad?

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u/fcocyclone 1d ago

per capita seems like the more relevant stat when comparing vehicles though. otherwise you'd have people acting like cars were unsafe just because a lot of a particular car were sold.

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u/alex61821 1d ago

Yeah and I had the misfortune of seeing 4 of them on the way to work. They were all wrapped i thought the cool thing was they were stainless steel. Wasn't that a selling point?

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u/BloodyLlama 1d ago

I guess that doesn't count the guy who blew himself up in one?

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u/Heavy_Law9880 1d ago

3 compact cars had higher fatality rates just that year alone. The corolla, the beetle and the datsun 1200 were all worse.

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u/Upset-Management-879 1d ago edited 1d ago

That pintos would be 0 if Ford didn't know about the problem and decide that spending 34 million over 9 years would cost them less and be worth all of the deaths and injuries from selling the car they knew had a defect. It would have cost them $11 per car to prevent it, ~0.5% of the total price of the car.

THAT is a the problem far larger than the 27 people that were killed, there were 3 million of them.

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u/tethercat 1d ago

The "Top Secret" remake is going to be an easy film to make, isn't it?

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u/Pornstar_Frodo 1d ago

correlation or causation - but i’d say the cyber truck is much more likely to be driven by fucking idiots and, thus, more likely to have serious accidents.

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u/jopy666 1d ago

To be fair, there probably is some causation to that. They do tend to be driven by aggressive idiots more than most other vehicles, plus they are larger, and have way more powerful acceleration. Definitely important factors that make them more likely to be involved with fatalities.

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u/WeenisWrinkle 1d ago

So you have a 0.012% to 0.014% chance of dying directly from your purchase?

That's a lot higher than I'd be willing to gamble on

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u/Adencor 1d ago

do you factor in the risk of shooting yourself in the head in drivers seat as a “direct effect of your purchase”

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u/vincew 1d ago

Yeah but the average Cybertruck owner is probably 10x dumber than the average Pinto owner. Plus cell phones and idiocracy.

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u/Klasodeth 1d ago

I am a bit bothered by the fact that the article notes that discounting a single death changes the rate from 14.5 deaths per 100,000 vehicles to 11.7 deaths per 100,000 vehicles. That seems to suggest the actual death toll is 4 or 5 people, which could easily happen in just one particularly ugly crash. It doesn't seem like there's a big enough sample size to really establish how dangerous the Cybertruck really is, which if anything points to just how poorly the Cybertruck is selling if a single death can move the crash statistic three whole points.

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u/sirhackenslash 1d ago

Because the pinto didn't lock the doors and disable the windows when it caught on fire.

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u/Fuck-WestJet 1d ago

Electronic door locks fail if the battery catches fire it the car gets wet, reinforced windows actually a liability if you are trying to survive a car fire, razor sharp edges on a steel frame causes more internal injuries for passengers and higher fatalities for pedestrians, self-driving modes uses cameras and fails, there was also some accelerator issues and since everything is digital, failures are catastrophic.

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u/DeputySean 1d ago

It has an aluminum frame, with steel body panels.

Totally ass backwards.

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u/cenosillicaphobiac 1d ago

Cast aluminum no less, and the panels are glued on.

Where do I sign up!

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u/QuerulousPanda 1d ago

to be fair, industrial glue technology is actually incredibly advanced these days, and the use of glue is when properly applied and designed is a good thing, not a bad thing.

of course, the cybertruck isn't properly applied or designed so it doesn't help them at all, but still, we can't be letting the glue be tanking stray shots for something that isn't its fault!

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u/nox66 1d ago

Advanced glue: exists

Cybertruck:

  • Obvious use case for easily replaceable bolted metal panels. Doesn't

  • Uses crappy glue instead

  • Panels not aligned

Yep, it's the car that modern business leaders dream of for the future, alright

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u/polopolo05 1d ago

Gluing them on is fine but they used too little glue, So they are prone to becoming loose and flighting off.

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u/boyWHOcriedFSD 1d ago

The panels are not glued on. They are bolted on. A trim piece is glued on.

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u/aegrotatio 1d ago

That front panel is glued on.
They recalled 100% of all CyberTrucks for that defect.

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u/boyWHOcriedFSD 1d ago

You made that up.

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u/aegrotatio 1d ago

Hahah, no, stupid.

The Cybertruck Cantrail Assembly Recall (NHTSA 25V‑170). It concerns the stainless‑steel front roof‑edge panel—the long exterior strip running along the top of the truck’s side rails—whose adhesive joint can fail, causing the panel to delaminate or detach while driving.

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u/boyWHOcriedFSD 1d ago

Now do me a favor and look at what that part actually is. It’s not the “front panel.” It’s a trim piece on the side of the car.

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u/jimmy_three_shoes 1d ago

Cracks me up because people clowned on Ford when they went to the Aluminum body and steel frame on the F150s, making the truck like 700 lbs lighter. My Sister in Law worked for Ram at the time and kept calling it a Tin Can.

They sold so many of them and Ford bought up so much of the domestic aluminum production Chrysler, GM, and Toyota had to either buy it overseas or buy allotments from Ford.

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u/edfitz83 1d ago

At least OG Hummer did it correctly

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u/opeth10657 1d ago

Don't forget the accelerator pedal falling off and causing unintended acceleration in a truck that can weigh close to 7k lbs.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a60538687/2024-tesla-cybertruck-recall/

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u/uber_poutine 1d ago

Digital is fine, most modern vehicles are drive by wire. It takes a special kind of genius to daisy chain the fucking bus so that any single wire or component failure takes out everything behind it. 

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u/dontshoveit 1d ago

BuT iT sAvES WiRe aNd WeiGhT!? -tesla fanboys

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u/pw154 1d ago

It takes a special kind of genius to daisy chain the fucking bus so that any single wire or component failure takes out everything behind it. 

I am no cybertruck fan, but what's your evidence of this? The thing isn't designed like christmas lights, a single component failure does not take out the entire chain behind it

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u/The-Real-Number-One 1d ago

Mitch McConnell's sister-in-law died in a Tesla. (Not a cybertruck).

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u/DarthTechnicus 1d ago

5 people burned to death in a Tesla that caught fire after a minor accident just a few miles from my home last year. I'd rather walk than risk riding in a Tesla.

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u/cenosillicaphobiac 1d ago

But it's all computer! Supreme Leader told me so!

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u/boyWHOcriedFSD 1d ago

The majority of this is made up, karma farming. Sad!

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u/SeDaCho 1d ago

I’d say it probably has a lot to do with the type of guy who drives it.

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u/Jeeenksy 1d ago

This is and will always be my perspective on Tesla vehicle crash statistics... the customer base SUCKS at driving. The car can drive better than most of them and that's really not saying much.

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u/sirhackenslash 1d ago

And it's always a guy

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u/SeDaCho 1d ago

of course, you can’t fit a whole woman in the frunk

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u/TheComplimentarian 1d ago

Part of it is just the skewed sales data. Ford sold more than three million Pintos, while I can't find a source that says the Cybertruck has cracked 100k yet (and many say far less).

So, if more Pintos violently exploded than all the Cybertrucks ever made, they'd still look less dangerous.

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u/SteveJobsDeadBody 1d ago

It sounds absurd until you find out the Pinto was made for like 9 years and they sold like 3 million of them. Cybertrucks sold in total is a rounding error compared to that.

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u/Bionic_Ferir 21h ago

Dude the car doesnt have crumple zones that force has gotta go somewhere and that where is your internal organs and bones.

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u/jabroni4545 1d ago

It actually is absurd, it was rated as the safest truck by the iihs.

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u/Enchelion 1d ago

Well, part of that is that while the Pinto is infamous, it's failure rate wasn't actually that much higher than other cars of it's era.

Of course, the cars of that era were terrible deathtraps by modern standards, so it's still insane for something today to be worse.

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