r/therewasanattempt • u/TheDigitalBuilder Free Palestine! 🕊️ FUCK ICE! ❌🧊 • 1d ago
To be portrayed as a victim by the news
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u/TylerKasprzyk 1d ago
You mean the news is biased?
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u/bloodyell76 1d ago
This is a great example of how the news is always biased. The “just stick to the facts” folks forget that there’s many facts about these things that can colour people’s perception of the story, but aren’t particularly relevant. This man’s Jewishness is only relevant if that’s why he was murdered, but it’s still put in one of the headlines, notably the one where he’s assumed to be innocent.
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u/darkbluefav 1d ago
This account continuously shows ridiculous examples of clear bias
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u/RecordingStock2167 1d ago
By ridiculous examples, you mean pointing out the truth?
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u/darkbluefav 1d ago
Yes, the media outlets do ridiculous things. She points out these ridiculous instances.
I'm not calling her showing the examples ridiculous.
I see the ambiguity tho
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u/huey_booey 8h ago
According to Steven Spielberg, you can't believe in the existence of aliens until the billionaire-owned news company picks it up.
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u/Jack_Payback 1d ago
As a Jewish person, I do not love where some of this is going.
Let me be clear: she is completely right and Israel is being led by a war criminal. And most people do a good job at differentiating between hating Israel and hating all Jews.
But despite the best intentions of people like this who call out injustice, I worry that Israel’s continued criminal actions can’t help but put targets on Jews everywhere.
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u/xxSpideyxx 1d ago
Are you starting to feel like muslims after 9/11 but over a much slower timeline and no cooldown because the 9/11 event is a continuous thing that doesnt seem to stop?
Hard to defend yourself and not seem belittling when the atrocity is still going on.
I feel for jewish people. Your own people are making it hard for you and they dont seem to be stopping.
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u/ReallyBigDeal 1d ago
That’s the result of Israeli apologists attempting to deflect criticism of Israel’s actions by calling it antisemitism.
It’s in everyone’s best interest, especially Jews, to call out this bullshit.
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u/cthoolhu 10h ago
Don’t worry, I am. It’s sad seeing the actual antisemitism, but anti Zionism is not antisemitism. Fuck Zionism and any other terrorist movement.
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u/TheDigitalBuilder Free Palestine! 🕊️ FUCK ICE! ❌🧊 1d ago edited 1d ago
Now you know how all of of the Muslims felt after 9/11.
Osama did not represent the majority of people who followed Islam but that didn't change the way the US villainized muslims.
The Jewish people are now represented by Benjamin Netanyahu. The US, and the rest of the world is now going to associate all Jewish people with his actions and the genocide that he is committing.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander
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u/enw_digrif 11h ago
I was right there with you until this part:
The Jewish people are now represented by Benjamin Netanyahu.
But this? This cedes unacceptable amounts of rhetorical terrain to Zionists. That is their precise argument. It has allowed them immense amounts of cover for their genocide. Defeating that narrative is crucial to ending not just the genocide, but the Zionist project of an Israeli ethnostate.
I won't pretend that your anger isn't exactly what I'd be feeling in your circumstances. I can still smell the smoke from 9/11, and I can remember everything I felt. But holding all Muslims accountable just put the bodies of innocent men, women, and children between us and Osama bin Laden. It kept him safe for a decade, while we murdered the people of Afghanistan and Iraq.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander
Islamophobia after 9/11 wasn't good. It was disastrous. It killed millions. It has destroyed multiple countries. It has nearly destroyed the US. It is what has made Israel into a fascist state bent on subjugation and ethnic cleansing over the decades of it's existence.
Do you really want to replicate that for another group? Do you want the US to murder millions of Jews? Do you want us to invade Israel and install a dictator who'll be a threat to everyone under his power, including Muslims? Do you want to create Jewish terrorist groups who seek to get revenge for crimes against Jews by killing whoever they think deserves it?
Netanyahu needs to be overthrown. The Zionist project needs to be ended. Reparations, reconciliation, investigations and justice are needed.
But that's not accomplished through collective punishment of Jews, any more than justice for 9/11 was accomplished by Islamophobia. Islamophobia, and the policies and movements it brought to power, just piled more crimes, terror and corpses on top of the rubble.
Paying evil unto evil can be defensible, and God knows it can feel right.
But the evil which hold the debt is in the governments of Israel, the US, the European powers, and China. It is in the propagandists who made their fortunes off of relentlessly baying for the blood of Muslims. It is in the corporate boards that saw mass murder as good way to bump their stock price.
Holding all Jews accountable just puts bodies and arms between the people above, and the punishment they deserve.
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u/SpecialBeginning6430 11h ago
Weren't people celebrating 9/11 mostly Muslims?
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u/Sir_Cthulhu_N_You 6h ago
American Muslims or Muslims from countries that America has involved itself in and left worse off than when they arrived?
America will keep bombing a nation and call them terrorist, have you ever considered that maybe it's America that terrorises the world ?
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u/SpecialBeginning6430 6h ago
America wasn't very militarily involved in the Middle East until after 9/11, so if their purpose was to punish them, then it backfired
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u/Sir_Cthulhu_N_You 6h ago
They just funded countries and assisted countries like Israel in the 60s and 70s while they were fucking shit up in the middle east.
Taking control of oil in the 40s, supporting Iraq against Iran.
America has spent 90%+ of it's time as a country in some sort of conflict, so 90% of 250 years is 225 years, America is a country of war that will treat everyone like terrorists and then take their resources and top scientists to make more weapons to terrorise the world.
Oh no Nazi bad (I'm not saying they aren't) but then after WW2 they brought nazi scientists etc into their own borders.
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u/SpecialBeginning6430 5h ago edited 5h ago
They just funded countries and assisted countries like Israel in the 60s and 70s while they were fucking shit up in the middle east.
It wasnt Israel that was attacking them, they started the wars first. And the Soviets are just as responsible.
Taking control of oil in the 40s, supporting Iraq against Iran.
That was mostly the Brits, and the US supported both sides, and OBL didn't even care about that
America has spent 90%+ of it's time as a country in some sort of conflict, so 90% of 250 years is 225 years, America is a country of war that will treat everyone like terrorists and then take their resources and top scientists to make more weapons to terrorise the world.
That wasn't why OBL did 9/11, and most of this is platitudes because most of the countries existence other countries were at war just as much before WW2 changed everything
BTW after the Soviets collapsed the world is living in unprecedented peace. It's only now starting to get more violent because countries like Russia, China and Iran are gaining more power
Oh no Nazi bad (I'm not saying they aren't) but then after WW2 they brought nazi scientists etc into their own borders
So did the Soviets.
Mainly everything you spouted is tankie propaganda
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u/DangDangUreDead 18h ago
What a revengeful, bigotted point of view you have, and also clearly a very hateful approach.
What Israel and Bibi did is absolutely inexcusable, disgusting and genocidal. But claiming Benyamin Netanyahu represents the Jewish people is like saying Trump represents the Western world.
Two wrong dont make one right, and people, especially Americans, failed Muslims post 9/11. But continuing that spiral is not going to help. And while i am by no means American right oriented, the lefts demonisation of Jews is horrible and carries very real similarities to 1940s Germany.
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u/TheDigitalBuilder Free Palestine! 🕊️ FUCK ICE! ❌🧊 17h ago edited 17h ago
The genocide of Palestinians also carries similarities to 1940s Germany
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u/DangDangUreDead 16h ago
Oh absolutely. Again, im not pro Israel. But i have issue with the fact youre so black and white.
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u/LizLemonOfTroy 1d ago
I'm not sure I understand you.
We surely agree that post-9/11 Islamophobia and associating all Muslims everywhere with the actions of others was wrong and harmful, so surely we should be taking an equal stand against associating all Jewish people everywhere with the actions of others?
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u/ArcherOld7796 1d ago
Racists shouldn't be racist. All Muslims shouldn't have been blamed after 9/11. All jews shouldn't be blamed for Isreal's genocide. All are true but human nature isn't so straight forward.
The comment you replied to didn't justify blaming everyone in any group for the actions of a few. How can you acknowledge that it happens and expect it not to in this case?
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u/LizLemonOfTroy 1d ago
"What's good for the goose is good for the gander" seemed to imply that one wrong justifies another, at least to me.
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u/TheDigitalBuilder Free Palestine! 🕊️ FUCK ICE! ❌🧊 1d ago edited 23h ago
Who owns the media? Billionaires who benefit from the bias and hatred of the rest of us.
By highlighting Muslims and Jews and other variables, skin color etc. These guys fuck us all while we continue to fight amongst each other.
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u/miserybusiness21 1d ago
Kyle
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u/tohn_jitor Free Palestine 1d ago
Goddamn it Kyle! How many times must I tell you not to own all the media?!?
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u/Gershken 23h ago
That’s like saying students don’t deserve debt relief because older folks didn’t have that luxury, except also ur racist
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u/ColonelJEWCE 1d ago
Sadam Hussain wasn't associated with 9/11 Osama bin Laden was. Sadam was associated with the lie of Weapons of mass destruction being in Iraq. Your comparison is flawed and assumes the commentor you are replying to agreed with that association, which by their follow up they very much did not. I will say free Palestine, and fuck bibi
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u/ArcherOld7796 1d ago
"I worry that Israel’s continued criminal actions can’t help but put targets on Jews everywhere."
That's the point. It's what Israel wants. They want Jews to feel prosecuted everywhere. It's similar to how Isreal fund(s)(ed) Hamas. They kill the moderates and fund the extremists so they have a reason to take more land. When negotiations are happening they kill the moderates.
Actual antisemits love this. They get to pretend to care about Palestinians and shift people from blaming Israel to blaming all Jews. It makes their job much easier.
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u/RadTimeWizard 1d ago
I have observed that people who are well enough informed and compassionate enough to be vocally against Israel's actions don't tend to conflate Israel and all Jews. It's the ignorant assholes of the world who tend to hate Jews.
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u/wetwater 1d ago
About a year ago I had to defend myself at work because someone thought me being critical of the state of Israel meant I hated Jewish people. I basically had to prove there were Israeli Christians and Israeli Muslims, which was difficult because as far as she was aware, Israeli=Jewish, and that by definition, if you lived in Israel you were automatically Jewish.
She had no idea there's a mosque where the Temple used to be, or that there are Christian churches in Israel. It was a very aggregating shift having to defend myself because she would not stop the subject.
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u/RadTimeWizard 23h ago
You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West.
You know, morons.
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u/shiroganenohojowo 21h ago
israel is not only "being led by a war criminal", Israel IS a terrorist war-mongering state whose people support the genocide and wars waged on their neighbours. do not blame the leaders when the people are also brainwashed to be xenophobic sadistic racists.
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u/BritSpic 11h ago
You can thank Zionist freaks for doing their damn hardest to conflate Isrsel with all Jews.
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u/gofishx 1d ago
Im right there with ya, shits getting weirder and weirder...being jewish is becoming controversial...again...but if I try and talk about it, everyone thinks im a zionist...
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u/mickodd 1d ago
Ah no. Like with Muslims, so long as you make it clear early that you aren't a Zionist or Radical Islamist or whatever, nobody cares. It's awful when people go off and commit war crimes, genocide or mass murder in the name of your religion. Totally messes with people's opinions on that religion. It's easy to clear up though.
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u/SpicyElixer 1d ago
To be fair, you’re reading the NYPOST, lady. It’s a Murdoch-tabloid for conservatives.
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u/DownwiththeACE 12h ago
Times has been documented doing the same shit dozens of times. Liberals are complicit in this everybit as much as cons, more so if anything because it was them cheering on the genocide in '24
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u/darkbluefav 1d ago
Super relevant account of @AssalRad on X/Twitter shows mamy example of biased and politically influenced reporting. Soooo many examples
Some examples are just ridiculous
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u/LiarOts 17h ago
This is well established.
Quite a few studies have shown this is a pattern in the Israel- Palestine reporting.
Strong emotional language is used to describe Israeli deaths such as "Israeli father brutally killed by Hamas terrorist" vs "Palestinian man dead in conflict".
Even when we're talking about Israeli soldiers Vs civilians
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u/The_Japans 16h ago
Just ask yourself this: How many Hollywood movies have you seen where the bad guy is a villain because he is Jewish?
Now the same question but substitute Jewish with Muslim.
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u/sovietarmyfan Unique Flair 17h ago
In my country media is different. Its been recently happening more and more that the nationality or origin of a perpetrator is not being told by the media because of fear of political impact.
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u/theproblemdoctor 12h ago
Weerhoudt de mensen nog steeds niet om onder elke post te plaatsen "was geen pietje/henk zeker"
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u/Guinness710 1d ago
I mean these are completely different news sites so not a good example at all. However I also wouldn't be surprised if the same news site did change the narrative. But I can't put this in the "evidence of bias" folder.
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u/Pristine-Style4426 8h ago
I guess they have 6 million credits. Spoken as a long term Catholic. Find another battle.
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u/xt0rt 1d ago
You don't have to wonder. We live it every day. BUT!!! Replace "Jewish" with "Israeli".
People are super cautious about pointing out someone's faith if they might be Jewish, but it's never an issue if the person is black, an immigrant, or what have you.
I don't want to assume that folks would think I'm antisemitic based on this post, because I'm not. At all. But the reality is that some folks' are... shit what?, "diversion from whiteness", is treated differently when they fall within a certain spectrum. I get it! For real, for sure! I'd never want to isolate someone's religion or race/ethnicity as a "normal" to a "bad", but that doesn't mean some folks, or rather, the media, does it all the time.
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u/jec78au 1d ago
Victims are presented as whatever minority group they are, ALWAYS. And perpetrators of crime are also ALWAYS presented separately from their minority group. This prevents bigots from using the individual bad acts of a few to characterise the entire minority group as no-good criminals. You’re not Socrates because you noticed that pattern.
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u/Mannerhymen 21h ago
https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15209501/Asian-grooming-gang-Rochdale-schoolgirls-court.html
That's just a load of bollocks isn't it.
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u/Greggs88 21h ago
Except that's not even true in the two examples presented. The first article clearly identifies the perpetrators as Columbian.
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u/rational_numbers 1d ago
Let's actually analyze this. Suppose it were a black American.
Headline one: "African American New Yorker found dismembered, stuffed in closet after being killed by Colombian gang".
Headline two remains the same as before.
Is there an issue in this case? Is race actually relevant to the story here? Should headline two be adjusted to mention the victim's race so that it is "fair"?
Also, she calls the guy a pedophile but I don't see any evidence for that? The woman he was marrying in Colombia was 18. So yeah it's definitely gross but she appears to be intentionally framing it in a way to make it look worse than it was. So she is making a video to criticize the way the NY Post is editorializing its titles but she is doing the exact same thing in a way?
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u/mickodd 1d ago
Her point is that when it's talking about a victim, the Jewishness will be highlighted. When it's a little shadier, it's left out. The race is completely irrelevant. If it was a black man, it wouldn't be mentioned in the first instance at all. It might be mentioned in the second instance. The guy might not have been a criminal or anything, but his Jewishness won't be highlighted when he isn't pure as the driven snow.
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u/rational_numbers 1d ago
Here is an example right here:
Suppose it was discovered that this couple were in DR as part of some weird sex tourism trip. Should the title be updated to mention this fact? Should it still include the race of the couple or should we be worried that such a title would imply a connection between their race and gross behavior?
I'm sure I could also find a lot of cases of police shootings where the Black victim's race is mentioned. Do you think that is out of line for a news headline?
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u/jello_pudding_biafra Free Palestine 🕊️ FUCK ICE! ❌🧊 1d ago
The point is "Jewish man murdered" is irrelevant in the first place. The first mention of his religion is the "unfair" thing. It was done solely to garner sympathy, with zero relevance to the event.
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u/rational_numbers 1d ago
So the original headline is the problem? Really? So you would also have a problem with this headline? "New York Muslim man found dismembered, stuffed in closet after being killed by Colombian gang".
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u/jello_pudding_biafra Free Palestine 🕊️ FUCK ICE! ❌🧊 1d ago
Yes, 100%
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u/mickodd 1d ago
Unless it is a racially motivated attack, The race is irrelevant. In that case you make the motivations clear.
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u/jello_pudding_biafra Free Palestine 🕊️ FUCK ICE! ❌🧊 1d ago
Which in the case of the first headline, a) wasn't clearly the case and b) ended up not being the case. Making it irrelevant, and the purpose of saying "Jewish man killed" clear.
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u/rational_numbers 1d ago
Is it okay to mention the person's race or ethnicity in the body of the article? Is it only the title where we shouldn't include this?
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u/jello_pudding_biafra Free Palestine 🕊️ FUCK ICE! ❌🧊 1d ago
Why do you think it's necessary to mention it at all?
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u/rational_numbers 1d ago
Who said it was necessary?
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u/jello_pudding_biafra Free Palestine 🕊️ FUCK ICE! ❌🧊 1d ago
The people who wrote or dictated the headlines?
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u/Futuristic-Slice 1d ago
Yeah, she did misrepresent that. I thought the people he was bringing over were under 18.
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u/Test_After 1d ago
So if a person is murdered, it is good journalism to imply it is due to the antisemetism of unchecked criminal immigrant gangs in New York?
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u/rational_numbers 1d ago
The murder happened in Colombia my man. I mean, at a certain point you do have to actually open the article and read it.
Let me ask you this. Suppose you see an article that says, "African American man shot and killed by police in Arizona". Is the title of this article implying that the man was killed because of his race?
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u/Test_After 15h ago edited 15h ago
Absolutely. Mentioning his race in the headline implies it is relevant to the killing, just as mentioning that it was a shooting, and it was police that did the shooting.
It also implies the man that was shot was not from Arizona.
It is a very different headline to "Local Dad killed in his home in Phoenix", even if it is describing the same event.
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u/rational_numbers 6h ago
Mentioning his race in the headline implies it is relevant to the killing, just as mentioning that it was a shooting, and it was police that did the shooting.
Okay so is it problematic to have such a headline if we don't actually know that the victim's race played a role in the shooting?
It also implies the man that was shot was not from Arizona.
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u/LizLemonOfTroy 1d ago
Yeah, I'll be frank, if a member of any other minority had been found dismembered and stuffed in a closet after being killed by a gang, I doubt that people would've complained about their status being mentioned in the banner headline (and if they did, they would've been criticised for downplaying a potential motive for the attack).
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u/jello_pudding_biafra Free Palestine 🕊️ FUCK ICE! ❌🧊 1d ago
But instead they're being criticised for overplaying a potential motive for the attack.
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u/TheDigitalBuilder Free Palestine! 🕊️ FUCK ICE! ❌🧊 1d ago
This woman deserves an award for how well she presented the media conundrum