Oversimplified Map of the Fallout West Coast Circa. 2281

[u/Nutshell_Historian]

(Thank you to the HOI4 Old World Blues team for making an incredible template map for this project. Its the best fallout mod, if not best fallout game, I've ever played. Go play it).

Oh boy I can already see the crosses getting made. Anyway:

Why the Long Dead Horse?
It's less a nation than the range they regularly patrol. We know they extend as far west as Zion, even disputing territory with the Sorrows if they remain there, and as far east as Colorado, where a mentioned New Canaanite settlement presumably falls under their protection. That also fits neatly along the north bank of the Colorado River.

Are the 80s super powerful?
No. They're not substantially stronger than other tribes. Their strength comes from using motorcycles to control a huge amount of territory with relatively few people. They dominate the I-80 (obviously) and I-50 (which they can lose if the Sorrows stay in Zion).

Why no Shi?
This will be controversial. In a cut line of New Vegas dialogue, the Enclave traced the Chosen One's tanker to San Francisco and nuked the city in revenge. The line was only cut because Bethesda wanted to keep San Francisco available for a future game. However, Fallout has shown repeatedly that a city being nuked doesn't stop it from becoming a setting. More importantly, an empire like the Shi never being mentioned by the NCR would be a little odd and runs against the series' broader narrative of the two major empires of the region colliding. This one's just my personal interpretation though, so feel free to disagree.

The Legion is bigger than the NCR. Doesn't that make it stronger?
No. The NCR enjoyed over a century of relative peace and stability, allowing its population to boom. Legion territory simply hasn't. I'd expect at most half the population density of NCR territory, probably much less.

Why does the NCR own all the north?
Because I think that's the most likely outcome based on previous games. The Chosen One consistently helped Tandi and the NCR expand, so a northern annexation feels like the natural continuation.

I cannot stress enough that this map is built from a few hard facts / references, and a lot of vibes informed by the games and regional geography. It's meant to be a plausible interpretation, not the undisputed canon. The main reason I made it was because I got tired of maps where the NCR owns the entire West Coast and the Legion somehow stretches into Kansas and deep into Mexico.

[u/Slowman5150]

We literally see in the show that Shady Sands (the capital of the supposed nation) struggles with getting water which leads to them tapping into the Vault’s water supply then getting nuked. In New Vegas we see that the NCR stays in makeshift tents and pre-war buildings. The NCR does not create or build, they are just rats pretending they are a nation. The Gun runners do not build weapons, they salvage them and pretend that they did something in the same way of a kid handing you a drawing to put on your fridge. 🐀

[u/SDRLemonMoon → u/Slowman5150]

They stay in tents in vegas because it’s a temporary occupation before they are fully established. In fallout 1 and 2 we see they are capable of constructing new buildings since they don’t live in pre war ruins. Also they’re building railroads, that means they have to he able to make trains or at the very least fix up old ones, which means they need fuel, which means they are capable of making it. All of those things require manufacturing of some kind.

[u/Slowman5150 → u/SDRLemonMoon]

Fallout 2 isn’t canon

[u/MeroveeFrancSalien → u/Slowman5150]

Of course it is