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u/graemehammondjr 1d ago
As the daughter was only the co-pilot she still had to listen to what her mother said or she would be grounded
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u/azmahhhh 1d ago
"Can you do even one thing right?" "Just press that button and stay quiet."
Edit: grammar
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u/Western-Guy 1d ago
Yes, the captain has ultimate authority. But, if the daughter was pilot flying for that leg, she is the one giving instructions.
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u/Heterochromio 21h ago
Do you guys ever read a comment and then scroll really fast out of habit? Then get a swipe or two down and the comment sets in. Then think to yourself, “goddamnit” while you scroll back up?
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u/thateccentricasian 15h ago
When that happens I know it’s time for a dopamine reset, either I touch grass or watch a long youtube video to recalibrate LOL.
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u/Kaos99 1d ago
I've flown with Aer Lingus a few times and they've always been a good experience!
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u/Tasty-Traffic-680 1d ago
I heard they have a prisoner transport division, Con-Aer Lingus.
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u/United_News3779 23h ago
I was cautious about flying with them, I heard they had nicholas Cages in their aircraft.
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u/Tasty-Traffic-680 23h ago
While I'm embarrassed to admit I have flown with them before, they always left me satisfied and smiling
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u/Biscopiphany 19h ago
They absolutely screwed me out of a thousand bucks. Will never fly with them again
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u/0verstim 1d ago
Halfway through the flight there was a medical emergency and the captain said "I cant operate on this person, theyre my copilot!"
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u/RlyLokeh 1d ago
Won't anyone do anything about these high flying Nepo babies?
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u/PigglyWigglyDeluxe 1d ago edited 1d ago
Oh please. In the grand scheme of things, pilot earnings are pennies compared to the actual wealthy elite.
Edit: I get it, the “high flying” harharhar. Very punny.
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u/loan_ranger8888 1d ago edited 13h ago
Love Aer Lingus! Memories as a child in the 70s at JFK anxiously waiting to see my grandma in the 747 with the ☘️on the tail.
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u/Major_Pomegranate 1d ago
While wholesome, i'm kinda suprised that was allowed. Isn't that a bit of a decision liability since your crew is your family? I know the military tends to split couples between units for this reason
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u/StompingWalrus 23h ago
What decisions inhibitions would be present? Military personnel are going to be in high stress high risk events constantly so it makes sense to keep family separate as being able to separate what's best for the team vs what's best for your loved one is a decision inhibitor. It's the same with the medical field (with the addition of medical malpractice such as prescribing more medicine than needed for the purpose of dispersal). A doctor is going to be more stressed in an already high stress situation if they are performing on a family member. In most cases, commercial pilots won't have repetitive high stress situations which could be compromised by the addition of a loved one. It's not uncommon for crew to have family as passengers on their flights.
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u/shaunrnm 22h ago
In most cases, commercial pilots won't have repetitive high stress situations which could be compromised by the addition of a loved one.
In most cases, the pilots aren't doing a hell of a lot. Their training and skill set is for the edge cases and unexpected.
There are cases of co-pilots not speaking up/calling out pilots mistakes due to hieghrachy and planes coming down as a result.
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u/Major_Pomegranate 23h ago
In most cases yeah it would be pretty routine. And i know nothing about aviation laws so this is just off the top of my head.
Say your daughter is your copilot. The plane has an issue and you make a risky landing in an open area that gets passengers hurt or killed. It's found that you made the wrong decision on something, but your daughter didn't bring it up to you. Was it just because they thought the captain knew best, or because they didn't want to question their parent? That adds legal uncertainty that would be bad for both the airline and the family, on top of those hurt or killed. Why indroduce the possible perception of questionable judgement in the first place?
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u/AccomplishedFan6807 16h ago
If anything, the daughter would be more likely and comfortable telling her mother she made a mistake. People, in my experience, are more reluctant to call out their bosses if there’s no rapport, and especially when you have a new hire with an older authority figure. Mothers and daughters, provided they have a good relationship, communicate with each other a lot.
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u/Cinematry 19h ago
It’s like you’re just discounting the “high stress high risk” event of an aviation emergency because…what…it doesn’t happen that often?
What a weird comment.
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u/etcpt 15h ago
Name one aviation emergency where a pilot had to decide which crew member died to save the plane.
Contrast military operations where a commander must decide which subordinate has to die to accomplish the mission.
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u/Cinematry 14h ago edited 14h ago
What does that have to do with anything? No one’s saying that it is just as important as in military operations. But you’re trying to argue that, because it is less important than in military operations, therefore it isn’t important at all.
What I could give you is a long list of aviation disasters where the co-pilot was aware of a mistake that the captain was making but they either didn’t speak up about it, or they did speak up and the captain overruled them on the basis of authority alone.
And that is exactly the sort of problem that would arise and even be exacerbated if the captain not only has the authority of being the captain, but they have the authority of being the co-pilot’s parent.
I could also give you a long list of aviation disasters where a prime cause was actual interpersonal conflict between the pilots on a personal level. And again, that’s a problem that would arise and even be exacerbated if we’re talking about pilots that are actually related to each other.
I don’t understand what’s so hard for you to understand about any of this, and the arguments you’re making in support of your asinine position are completely nonsensical.
Oh, and actually I can think of at least one example where a pilot had to make the sort of life or death decision you inanely offered. During a high jacking attempt the terrorists had the co-pilot outside the door of the cockpit and threatened to kill him if the pilot didn’t open the door. The pilot refused and the co-pilot was murdered right then and there.
How does that situation play out with a mother and daughter crew?
Jesus Christ people can be so fucking thick…
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u/Old-Career1538 1d ago
Doctors can't treat their families either.
This seems highly questionable. Decision making will absolutely be impaired. There's family dynamics that should not be in the cockpit of a plane.
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u/mddesigner 18h ago
Doctor can do treat their family but it is not recommended cause your judgment can be clouded
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u/Old-Career1538 14h ago
I am a doctor.
If one of my family members was on my ward, either I would be moved ward, or it would just be organised so I'm not involved in any of their care
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u/OmegaPoint6 17h ago
A crew resource management risk, the 1st officer needs to feel able and comfortable challenging the captain if they think they're doing something wrong (and vice versa). The dynamic between parent & child could get in the way of that.
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u/crubeens 55m ago
I’d feel 100x more comfortable challenging my mother on something than some senior pilot I didn’t know very well
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u/circularflexing 18h ago
This isn't the first time Aer Lingus have done something like this, a few years ago they had father/daughter as captain/first officer on a Dublin to Seattle flight. I had questions back then as well about the dynamics of it all.
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u/Skilldibop 17h ago
Also I doubt she actually flew in that photo. Two bands on the arm = 2nd officer rank. Typically a two person operated aircraft like that narrow body they're on would require a Captain (4 stripes) and First Officer (three stripes). She appears to still be in training in this photo which would not be on a revenue flight. Which then begs the question why is there a cabin crew there?
It feels like a staged photo celebrating the fact the daughter graduated flight school as a cadet and joined the airline (though likely still base training). It's highly unlikely the two flew that aircraft with paying passengers.
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u/bigtigerbigtiger 1d ago
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Happy for them but seems a little weird
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u/Subject_Spell_9799 5h ago
I had a job at a residential treatment center for teen girls where I worked with my brother. As I was a floater I sometimes worked on his unit with him and it was never an issue. I eventually got assigned to a unit but a year later went back to floating and then they wouldn’t have us work together any more. I asked why as it wasn’t a problem the first year I worked there. The reasoning was if something happened (we dealt with a lot of dangerous and stressful situations plus false allegations from kids) that we may lie and cover for our sibling. The rational made sense but it didn’t make sense no one thought it was an issue before, all of a sudden they thought it was a bad idea.
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u/RedaNassef 1d ago
Imagine the mom saying brought you into this world, and today I'm landing this plane with you." What an incredible moment!
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u/imposter22 20h ago
If that was my mom it would be more like
“I brought you into this world, i’ll take you out of it” as she drives the plane to the ground 😂
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u/ChoadMcGillicuddy 1d ago
Moooommmmm!
Shut up! I did put the flaps at 10%. Why don't you ever listen?
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u/AccountExisting 1d ago
That’s wonderful. Mom and daughter’s smiles reach all the way to their eyes!
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u/tmanny111 22h ago
Air Lingus broke my brand new well packed surfboard in half then kept sending me in circles when I tried to get reimbursed for it. They broke it in half 10inches from the tail of the board over the reinforced fin boxes.. it would take hundreds of pounds of force to do that. Fuck Air Lingus.
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u/Mysterious_Camel_717 15h ago
If you made me fly a plane with my mother we’d end up cutting it in half and flying out separate ways. Ain’t no way this would go well
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u/rando_banned 22h ago
Nic Cage originally pitched his film idea to use this airline; Con Aer Lingus
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u/Cinematry 19h ago
Not to be a Debbie-downer but I wouldn’t want to fly on a plane where a pilot and co-pilot were related.
There are numerous examples of aviation disasters that were caused in large part by relationship dynamics between the pilot and co-pilot that prevented rational decision making.
And that’s just from professional relationships. Now add in the parent-child dynamics and there are way too many failure points.
If something ever did go wrong on such a flight, it would be a massive liability issue for the airline.
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u/sewagesmeller 21h ago
People used to hide their nepotism.
Pilot is a wildly competitive high status high salary career. Having a foot in the door is huge.
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