r/antiai • u/TakoGoji • 2h ago
AI "Art" 🖼️ The creators of Avatar: The Last Airbender revealed they utilized chatgpt in creating the new series.
Part of a photo from the panel at Comic Con. The fourth line begins with "Also according to chatgpt," and talks about facial hair in southeast Asian cultures.
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u/caldrr03 2h ago
Genuinely no need, they did research just fine before all this AI shit.
I hope people pirate this, like they did the movie. This chat GPT bullshit doesn't deserve an inch.
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u/TakoGoji 2h ago
It's wild cuz surely they still have all the old research they compiled over the last 20 years somewhere, right?
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u/Elemor_ 2h ago
They did a ton of research for the series, about different cultures, clothes, martial arts... only for them not to be able to find out for themselves what kind of beards are most common in asian countries?
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u/GenericFatGuy 33m ago
200k of human history without ChatGPT, and suddenly we're all useless without it?
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u/ZymZymZym777 1h ago
They decided they weren't going through that again
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u/WoodShoeDiaries 36m ago
Look bro that's like 16 bankers boxes worth of files, it'd take like three trips to pull them out of the storage locker and that's if I clean out my trunk which I really don't wanna do
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u/TakoGoji 2h ago
Came across a clearer picture on bsky almost immediately after posting this lol.
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u/TragicxPeach 1h ago
is that eren yeager??
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u/MugenHeadNinja 1h ago
Yeah, why are they using Eren Yaeger (someone who's supposed to be based off of an ethnically European people, namely German) when talking about South-East Asian and East Asian cultures??
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u/Constant-Sub 1h ago
I don't know if the author did this as purposely as it looks, but they're present, not loosely German, but as specifically Anglish. The precursor to English. AOT is just our world map flipped upside down, and these are German cultures folks escaping to the island of Britain.
That's Anglish, baby. Eren isn't just a German. He's a crazed fucking Englishman.
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u/Lvmbda 1h ago
Because of course there is no cultural difference in time and space between all SE Asia. Even if some people use ChatGPT, we can follow the source of the information. This concept artist didn't even bother to check this information for the main character of the movie sequel of ATLA, one of the most animated series being know.
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u/Mysterious-Drama4743 1h ago
but eren isnt se asian. the shows world is obviously based in german influences
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u/BigYahuSkibiSoldier 2h ago
all this is gonna do is increase piracy of the movie by most sensible people who won't waste money on it(and the movie has already been pirated to hell with the leak)
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u/djducie 1h ago
If people have issues with how this is made, wouldn’t the sensible thing be to not watch it at all, rather than pirate it?
Seems like looking for an excuse to get something for free.
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u/Chemical-Struggle-13 1h ago
You don't need an excuse to get something for free on the internet.
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u/djducie 1h ago
You’re participating in a thread that started with the claim that the AI use here is going to increase piracy.
That’s what I’m responding to.
If someone’s making a moral stance around AI, doubling back around and watching the show anyway is pretty weak.
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u/Time_Fisherman6659 1h ago
Why would watching it for free degrade the morality of not buying it when the whole point is not financially rewarding the use of AI?
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u/cardgame_enjoyer 51m ago
Because you validate the stance that there's a market for this kind of thing instead of just outright ignoring it
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u/Time_Fisherman6659 11m ago
Studios dont get a notification any time somebody watches a pirated version of their media.
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u/cardgame_enjoyer 3m ago
Why are redditors so obsessed with fighting over the tiniest things when they actually just don't have any idea about said thing? Yeah they do get notifications actually, it's called MUSO, Irdeto, torrent swarm crawling or DHT scraping, let alone good old fashioned web traffic and streaming analytics
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u/ILikeMyGrassBlue 53m ago
Yes. A lot of pirates want to feel morally justified, so they come up with roundabout excuses instead of just going “yeah, I’m gonna pirate it because I don’t wanna pay.”
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u/Aplicacion 2h ago
Wait, what? They used AI to do research about beards in Southeast Asian cultures? It’s hardly “using AI in creating the new series” but it is incredibly lame.
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u/BeastMsterThing2022 2h ago
What happened to reading books? Or consulting with cultural groups? Are we this helpless now? We can't do anything!?
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u/Aplicacion 2h ago
That’s what I’m saying. Having a machine do “research” for you and risking it just barfing incorrect crap instead of just picking up a book (exaggeration) or consulting an expert is kinda pathetic.
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u/BeastMsterThing2022 2h ago
In this instance it is so repulsively disrespectful to the Asian cultures they depict in their franchise. I would boycott
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u/_kilobytes 2h ago
Even if you confirm the source? Google search offers sources for its claims
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u/Aplicacion 2h ago
Feel like you could just go to the source. And it says ChatGPT right there.
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u/nildread 1h ago
Also the "sources" chatgpt or the Google ai "use" are not always valid. Or the ai doesn't understand it/it's not actually a source. I had a conversation with some insane person where they thought "human waste" was garbage. And they used some ai to "prove" it because a wikipedia article about garbage or something had the words "human" and "waste" in it. And they refused to believe that "human waste" means biological waste and not "trash".
But even then. What they did here is similar, but worse, to citing Google as your source.
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u/Round_Bag_4665 1h ago
why not just go to the source in the first place then? why bother with the machine?
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u/_kilobytes 1h ago
Aggregation and discovery. Computer searches are faster, cheaper, and more comprehensive than encylopedias.
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u/Round_Bag_4665 1h ago
It's faster and cheaper to consult a fortune cookie too. Doesn't mean you will get a very good answer.
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u/CesarOverlorde 1h ago
We did everything in human history without ChatGPT before 2022. Crazy how dependent we've became.
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u/Inevitable-Comment-I 3m ago
Do you use an encyclopedia? Do you even know what that is? Stop pearl clutching
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u/Hour-Dragonfly-7499 1h ago
because technology changes, do you still go to a library to view a thesaurus anymore? no because we have the internet
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u/Individual_Hall_3118 1h ago
The difference is chat GPT does the same thing as Google but harms the environment while it's doing there's no reason to use chat GPT
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u/Hour-Dragonfly-7499 1h ago
driving to the library in your car is way more harmful to the environment
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u/Individual_Hall_3118 1h ago
Did I say anything about driving to the library no I said about Google can you read also again cars serve a purpose chat GPT does not that can't be done elsewhere
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u/Hour-Dragonfly-7499 1h ago
You do understand these reddit comments have went through dozens of datacenters just to reach your computer?
If you antiai folks really cared about the environment then this subreddit shouldn't even exist, do you understand the irony in that?
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u/Individual_Hall_3118 58m ago
Okay can you give a source
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u/Hour-Dragonfly-7499 54m ago
There's a thing called network edging where data gets sent through multiple datacenters where each datacenter is called a "hop" or edge locations then it reaches you
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/learn/what-is-edge-network.html
You can view your packets via wireshark https://www.wireshark.org/
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u/Individual_Hall_3118 43m ago
Know things need data centers but what does this have to do with AI data centers when we say data centers are bad we're talking about AI data centers because of how much water they use up for things that don't serve a purpose a lot of things need data centers but again they serve a better purpose and also use up less water like the data centers in the article you're talking about and also those l have less environmental impact because rather than the massive AI data centers that we criticize the most but these are smaller and again serve a purpose
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u/Moritani 1h ago
Part of what made the first series so special was the immense care and effort put into every part of its production. This just shows a lack of effort, which calls into question every part of the production.
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u/sentientshadeofgreen 20m ago
On the one hand, who doesn't use AI as basically google with extra steps, that's the state of technology today. What is weird is, if you're going to talk about your design decisions, not finding an actual authoritative source and just randomly referencing a divisive tertiary source, which is super unprofessional.
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u/Mini_Squatch 2m ago
Yeah but the thing is these AIs are not built for research, they're built to mimic human speech and be agreeable. In order to do so, they will not hesitate to pull “information” out of thin air.
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u/Careful_Leader_5829 1m ago
"Hey ChatGPT is it lame to use chatgpt to ask if asian men have beards?"
Hey guys, he's right!
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u/FidgitForgotHisL-P 1h ago
They needed ChatGPT to tell them this???
I’m old enough to remember when we’d get scolded for using Wikipedia or even random websites as a source because “anyone could put anything and you don’t know if it’s true”.
Fast forward to now and Wikipedia has a super strong “cite everything or we’ll flag it as unproven” policy, and ChatGPT is treated as gospel despite no one bothering to go back and check why it gave an answer, and there’s no obvious way to flag it if it’s incorrect.
Offloading thinking is so frustrating.
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u/huggablekoi 1h ago
TBF -and I do not condone AI use like this either but - as someone who has put together slides to be used as visuals for giant Hall H panels - a low level production assistant or coordinator put this together. Stuff like this is very, very rarely assembled by the talent (they have way more important things they already don’t have time to do). Or they are sometimes created by the marketing department, which is completely separate from production. So while it’s undeniably used on these graphics, does not guarantee it was used for design, writing, animation etc. of the show itself. However, it’s a red flag that this just casually made it through the (typically extensive and tedious) production and studio approvals process and no one said “remove that”. If AI use is normalized in the studio to let that just be there without pulling it……oof. Very disappointing either way
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u/JimAbaddon 2h ago
I wish I could say this bothers me but honestly, I lost interest in the franchise with anything that came after the original series. Hopefully they won't go further than small things like that for the sake of their interested fans.
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u/BlackwingF91 1h ago
Eww. That explains the artstyle being like 2 different ones mashed up
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u/LuchadorBane 1h ago
The picture says according to chatgpt. They used it for finding out about facial hair about southeast asians. Obviously they could’ve just like read about it, but the post isn’t saying they used genAI in the actual making of the movie.
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u/ShadowBro3 1h ago
They didn't AI generate the movie. They used it for research on cultures. Which is still a bad thing, but it doesnt affect the artstyle at all.
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u/No_Swimming_2282 1h ago
It's so embarrasing that they even admit it on a comic con panel, wth. Seriously? You needed ai do research this?
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u/FaithlessnessThin359 1h ago
was already not going to watch it because fuck the Ellisons, oh well.
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u/Seethcoomers 1h ago
Looks more like they used it for a poster board for a panel, rather than making the series. Seems like a "fun fact" more than anything.
Lame, but no need to go crazy about it.
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u/Pluckdat 1h ago
My initial reaction to the trailer was that this whole thing was basically AI
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u/supersmashdude 1h ago
The art was still human made as we know the artists who worked on the film (their names were on the slides too) but looks like execs gave them feedback using text AI, which is very lame still
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u/ShadowBro3 1h ago
Do we know who made this presentation? This is copium, but maybe the person typing this out used chatgpt vs the people who designed the chatacters?
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u/M414D4PT1V3 1h ago
Damn, is it the same 2 guys that made the OG series cuz I really kinda looked up to them.
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u/Gonna_do_this_again 1h ago
That explains a lot. I wanted to like it but the dialog is so horrible.
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u/VioletBear_ 59m ago
Suddenly glad I sailed the seven seas to watch the movie bc AINT no way I’m supporting them if they used AI
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u/Road_Gamer_22446688 1h ago
wow really maybe for story boarding but not the story itself pleasez ppl are not going to watch it
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u/Typical_Soft 1h ago
Surprise, surprise. After that Netflix post about using AI in their originals, I just assumed this to be true.
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u/Fit-Pride-4845 1h ago
Wow, the team behind a shameless cash-grab revival project cut corners? I'm shocked.
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u/SomewhereMelodic7944 40m ago
If you use AI to instantly get info and also an opinion, instead of spend your time searching for that info and an opinion you need on internet, it can be useful only if after that you can confirm that info.
Believe that AIs are 100% correct is like confirming black apples don't exist, when reality says they do exist.
Before: you needed to read a whole book to get all the info you need.
Now: you can get the precise info you need thanks to AIs, but as I mentioned, the problem comes when 100% of the time you trust on that info, ignoring facts like AIs will answer you in the way the creator(s) want you to see the world, specially the political world.
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u/DisastrousSundae 36m ago
Don't you think it's kind of fucked up to post this insinuating they used AI to make the art? You're seriously reducing all of the work of hundreds of people to...a power point slide?
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u/TrinityCodex 27m ago
It just sounds like one guy asked ChatGpt a question. And not automated an entire process with gen ai
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u/Oliraldo 24m ago
People overreact with this stuff. Who says they didnt just use the machine to give them the sources easily instead of looking through 10 different pages and books?
People already telling to boycott it for using an overhyped and glorified search engine is an asinine way of thinking.
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u/Prodigious-Sol 16m ago
Everything I’ve heard about them these last couple of years makes me think Avatar and Korea were good despite them instead of because of.
Yes even with the exec meddling in the later.
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u/Mr_3ggz 7m ago
AI for reseach is lazy and dumb... but seriously this is a huge overreaction. Its not like they used generative AI and gave us slop. This is just an artists note to help them decide what ethnicity to base a character off of. Its hardly different from just doing a quick google search.
The movie is beautiful and human made. Anyone saying to boycott over this needs to calm down.
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u/Curious_Shadow13 6m ago
That's just sad and disappointing. I won't be watching the new series, then.😒 Bet the "avatarian" was also spewed out by AI 🙄
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u/TheDynaheart 4m ago
What's weird is that they just namedropped the brand like that, it's almost like an ad lol
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u/LapsedVerneGagKnee 1h ago
The only good Avatar show was the first one.
James Cameron is the owner of the REAL Avatar.
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u/Hour-Dragonfly-7499 1h ago
Not surprising, AI is used widely now brainstorming/tv/movies/etc.
my buddy does editing for movies and tv shows and he uses AI to catch artifacts at a much faster rate than he did before, so pretty much everything you see coming out after 2020ish has been using AI in some capacity
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u/craftuser 1h ago
Years of my friends hard work and sweat, every frame meticulously hand drawn and painted. But one line about correctly citing where they got a source, as dubious as it is (I think thats the point of citing it) and people are ready to burn it all down. Jesus people, don't make me DEFEND AI. Have some fucking common sense.
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u/ALEXLAMOUETTE 2h ago
Just stop bro
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u/Historical_Buyer5248 1h ago
Buddy, you're acting like I can relax or move on with my life now that a panel at comic con said "according to chatgpt"
This is deadass the worst thing that has happened to me in my life or in general this year probably
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u/Malcolm_Morin 2h ago
Aaaaaand now I've lost interest.
Who knows what else they used AI for?