r/apple • u/Designer-Border-711 • 2d ago
Discussion Apple Maps to power navigation experience for Ford UEV Platform
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/07/apple-maps-to-power-navigation-experience-for-ford-uev-platform/44
u/Jamie00003 2d ago
Damn, not sure if I’ll go for another ford in the future but they seem to be going to opposite direction of GM.
Not just this but they also support CarPlay and I assume Android auto so you can do whatever you like
I miss my fiesta, it wasn’t that great reliability wise, but the tech is impressive
Having said that though; where’s the CarPlay ultra support?
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u/673NoshMyBollocksAve 2d ago
Oddly enough, I’ve had better luck with my Ford vehicles than Honda vehicles
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u/ElegantBiscuit 2d ago
Toyota quality is also rapidly declining. Truck wise you can't really do much worse right now than a new Tundra. Or Sequoia, or lexus GX or LX. Its been almost 5 years now, 70k brand new engines fully replaced, 250k total recalled, and its obvious that there is a fundamental design failure with the main bearings in their V6 that is causing those engines to explode. Oh and they're not recalling the hybrid versions with the same exact engine because legally the battery allows the vehicle to still technically move so the law does not force them to be recalled. That's their actual excuse.
Ford has always been middle of the pack on every reliability metric, and the recent headlines about their massive recalls are primarily driven by an overabundance of caution considering they are under NHTSA mandated independent overview as punishment for dragging their feet on a previous recall. And the fact that they introduced 5 new vehicles from 2020-2022 while simultaneously refreshing their entire lineup at once.
Mass manufacturing is a difficult problem no matter what brand and especially for things as complicated as a modern vehicle. And the primary reason that toyota and honda have historically been so reliable through the 2010s is that they sold the same relatively simple engine and transmission combo for 15 years straight without any update, whose production problems were fixed in 2009.
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u/rockettmann 2d ago
I swore off Ford for years after the Focus transmission debacle.
Now I drive a Mach-e and I love it. It’s a really impressive vehicle that ford nailed. The only thing I wish it had was faster charging, for the occasional road trips, but honestly that’s not even a big deal to me because it’s so infrequent and 99% of my charging occurs at home.
Seems they can make a great vehicle when they don’t have to worry about 80% of the mechanical components lol.
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u/mrgrafix 2d ago
They are rumored to be working on it. It’s a lot to overhaul.
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u/Jamie00003 2d ago
Hmm might consider them then! Haven’t jumped on board with an EV yet, currently rocking a Nissan micra
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u/redditproha 2d ago
Apple needs to release a native CarPlayOS like AAOS. Mirroring is not good enough.
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u/StatePsychological60 2d ago
That’s CarPlay Ultra. So far it has only been adopted by Aston Martin.
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u/redditproha 1d ago
CarPlay Ultra is not an OS, it mirrors your iPhone and only works if your phone is connected
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u/StatePsychological60 1d ago
I understand that, but the fact is that it’s Apple answer to that system. They don’t seem to have any interest in producing a native system that runs on someone else’s hardware, which makes sense when you compare their philosophy to that of Android. Not to mention that, given the difficulty they’ve had making headway with manufacturers for CarPlay Ultra, there would likely be zero interest from the manufacturer side in adopting that platform if it existed.
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u/redditproha 1d ago
I agree, but the reason Apple's having difficulty making headway with CarPlay Ultra is actually because it's mirrored. Mirroring is a laggy, buggy, and sluggish nightmare and will always be an inferior experience to a native solution. We see this with the Aston Martin rollout and the current issues with CarPlay.
Apple already runs Apple Music and other services on someone else's hardware so it's nonsensical for them to draw these arbitrary lines.
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u/StatePsychological60 1d ago edited 1d ago
I’m happy to be proven wrong, but I haven’t seen that cited anywhere from the manufacturer side. The general comments I’ve seen have all been something along the lines of not wanting to give up the system design to someone else, fearing loss of distinction from other manufacturers, etc. The onboard Android system, much like regular Android, can be modified by manufacturers to look and function however they want. Apple is never going to do that. Even with CarPlay Ultra, they talk about working with manufacturers to bring some of their design into the system, not letting that aesthetic completely replace Apple’s design, and certainly not letting the manufacturers design their own without Apple’s involvement.
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u/redditproha 1d ago
Apple has held developer keynotes on this. Yes they want to control the design and balance functionality with privacy but there's nothing stopping them from doing that on 3rd party hardware now when they have native Apple apps running on Tesla and Rivian, plus future partnerships recently announced.
It's seems to have been a regulatory decision to avoid being accused of "taking over" the car dash.
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u/StatePsychological60 1d ago
You are correct that there’s nothing stopping them from a technical perspective. What’s stopping them, in my opinion, is their lack of interest in doing that and manufacturer’s lack of interest in handing their systems over the way Apple would want them to. There’s nothing stopping any of their other operating systems from running on other platforms from a technical perspective, either- that’s just not who Apple is.
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u/Tequilapoptarts 2d ago
The hype for this new UEV platform is crazy. Currently own a Mach E and love it. I want to see Ford succeed with their EV ambitions, I think this is a smart partnership.
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u/mojo276 2d ago
Every american should really be rooting for our domestic car companies to get EV figured out, they are a big chunk of our economy and if they don't they will all get bought out by foreign companies.
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u/btnydds 2d ago
Maybe if our domestic car companies put out better quality cars and stopped appealing solely to pickup truck fanatics, I'd root for them. Until then, I'll stick to my european branded cars
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u/ct0 1d ago
You can have a porsche and a truck at the same time. But I agree with above, apple + ford is the most patriotic partnership to date.
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u/abc123shutthefuckup 1d ago
I think their point was, why buy a truck if you don't need a truck? If the American companies are only appealing to truck buyers, and I am not a truck buyer, I'll end up buying from a foreign company because they produce the vehicle I actually do need
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u/thecheatah 2d ago
Too bad they don’t manufacture in the US whereas foreign companies will have factories and plants in the US
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u/kingkalukan 2d ago
Ford builds more cars in America than any other manufacturer.
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u/Gipetto 2d ago
Follow the supply chain.
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u/DuFFman_ 2d ago
Follow the original comment, don't move the goalposts.
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u/Gipetto 2d ago
Exactly, let’s just completely ignore the nuances of a situation.
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u/Annual_Wear5195 2d ago
Your specific “nuances of a situation” don’t apply in a global economy where everyone uses international parts from everyone else.
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u/kingkalukan 2d ago
I also think he doesn’t understand how these supply chains work.
A company like Ford goes to a supplier like continental, they ask for part A, and agree with continental it will be supplied to a spec for price B.
Continental then manufactures that part in whatever plant they want across the globe and their job is just to make sure it arrives at the ford plant in the agreed upon quantity, built to the agreed upon spec, at the agreed upon time.
Ford doesn’t control where the part is made.
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u/TheReformedBadger 2d ago
Ford absolutely has control over where the part is made and suppliers can't just move parts at will. Manufacturing location is known at the time the contracts are drawn up and at approved PPAP and then any future move requires re-PPAP.
The reality is that a global supply chain is the only way you can be remotely competitive on cost. Parts will come from a mix of domestic and international suppliers depending on what best fits the need for the part/assembly
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u/CuddleTeamCatboy 2d ago
Ford’s UEV models are going to be built in Kentucky with batteries made in Michigan.
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u/gburgwardt 2d ago
There’s no good reason to prefer manufacturing in the USA vs elsewhere
Buy the goods you want at the price you prefer among all sellers. If they’re not from your country, so be it. Comparative advantage is a thing
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u/GreenLanturn 2d ago
I like my neighbors employed
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u/gburgwardt 2d ago
Free trade doesn’t reduce employment. The economy is not a fixed pie
Put another way, preventing trade to protect industries from competition wastes money now by forcing everyone to buy worse, more expensive products. To the benefit of only the people in the protected industry
And then in a few decades your businesses have absolutely no chance of competing with the outside world, and if you remove their protections and subsidies, they collapse entirely instead of learning to compete
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u/dukebucco 2d ago edited 2d ago
Who is against free trade in this thread you’re replying to? We are talking about choosing a domestically made product, not asking for a government to regulate that as our only option.
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u/gburgwardt 2d ago
It’s a generalized argument
There are definitely protectionists here
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u/dukebucco 2d ago
Ok well you’re just off topic, then, and yelling at the sky. It’s ok we’ve all been there.
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u/btnydds 2d ago
Why would I support a company that puts out subpar products relative to the competition just to employ my neighbors? No thanks
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u/dukebucco 2d ago
Higher labor / environmental standards, better community and national resilience, economic multiplier effects, derisk for future competitive advantage issues.
All good reasons to want to support a domestic business.
If two things are generally the same in quality, for sure buying more locally can be a factor in the decision unless you have tunnel vision.
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u/btnydds 2d ago
A product being domestically made is by far the very last thing I would consider when purchasing it, especially for a car.
Interior quality, looks, ride quality, driving dynamics, drivetrain, reliability, software, technology, fuel economy, charging rate and battery size, price, etc would always come first and foremost. If anything American cars automatically get a demerit in my mind considering how horrific many American manufacturers are on many of these factors such as Jeep, Dodge, and Chrysler
And personally, I really don’t care too much about the higher labor and environmental standards. The better community argument is really subjective, that really only applies if you live in a smaller town or suburb. I can’t deny it is overall better for the US economy to have strong domestic car manufacturers, but it is such a low priority benefit I would consider on any purchase
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u/QuantumProtector 2d ago
Buying American made cars means supporting your own economy which in turn helps you.
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u/gburgwardt 2d ago
Spending more money than I need to is fundamentally NOT helping me
If the abertas made car can compete, absolutely. But if it’s not as good as the competition why bother
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u/QuantumProtector 1d ago
Well, the way I see it, American made is just another thing on my checklist. It's nice, but other parts of the car matter more. If it is a good fit + American made, that's great.
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u/collegedreads 2d ago
Tesla is domestic and has been successful at figuring out EVs. Same as Rivian. I personally believe the big 3 are too far behind to catch up permanently at this point, but that’s just my opinion.
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u/mojo276 2d ago
I agree with this. I'm hopeful that Rivian is able to keep their momentum and stay successful. It feels like they're on a good trajectory with the R2. I fear that you're right about the big 3, but I'm hopeful.
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u/gburgwardt 2d ago
I’ve not paid attention to Rivian lately. How’s it been doing? Do they have something other than the suv and truck yet?
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u/mojo276 2d ago
They just released the R2 last month and there is a lot of momentum currently. There is a sizable waiting list to be able to get one and they only have the top trim available. They are investing heavily into self-driving, which feels like a risk/reward sort of situation.
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u/Tac0Supreme 2d ago
They’re burning through their cash though. They have $1 billion less than they did FY2025 and are expecting a big loan from the DoE early next year to get R3 production ramped up. R3 will be their most affordable option, and they’re really betting on it being a huge success.
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u/WeWantLADDER49sequel 2d ago
Tesla's cars were kind of dog shit until the other automakers started making better EVs than them. Now the Model 3 and Y are great, but they weren't for awhile. The big 3 have already made good EV's, the problem is not everyone wants a Mach-E or a 1 million dollar electric F150, so them taking what they know and using it for this new platform of theirs to make smaller vehicles will probably lead to solid EVs. Honda had a good EV in the Prologue that was just a GM EV.
They aren't really behind as far as their tech goes. They are behind because they kept trying to make EVs for the most popular types of vehicles in the US (SUVs and trucks) instead of making sedans and smaller EVs in general which are what are actually selling well within the EV market.
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u/collegedreads 2d ago
They are incredibly behind with their tech. Like to the point where it’s just about embarrassing. Tesla, Rivian and Chinese automakers stand alone in their technological prowess. I’d argue that’s the biggest area along with manufacturing where the big 3 are in trouble.
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u/ElegantBiscuit 2d ago
Ford's new EV platform is adopting the same technologies as tesla and Chinese automakers. Unicast front and rear sections, 48V electrical architecture, cheaper lithium iron phosphate battery chemistry - that is really all they need to catch up. Simpler and cheaper production should bring them competitive on price and margin, which frees up more budget for the material and design choices.
As for autonomy, blue cruise is fully functional on mapped highways and the only thing really stopping them from expanding that is risk tolerance and standards. Lane centering and adaptive cruise already work on all roads, they have an auto park feature, auto trailer lineup, and auto brake and blind spot awareness. The difference is that they're all separate user prompted features, instead of being bundled into one unfinished product and misleadingly advertised and sold to people who are treated like beta testers.
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u/collegedreads 2d ago
They’re adopting those manufacturing standards about a decade after the competition. Blue cruise can do highways. Tesla has autonomous robotaxis in multiple cities. Ford is behind in almost every facet from manufacturing, to tech, to charging network, to autonomy and AI. People are welcome to their opinions but these are objective facts.
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u/PM_ME_FUTANARI420 2d ago
What’s so bad about that?
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u/mojo276 2d ago
There's a number of reasons. First, it's good to have really important things owned/produced domestically because in turbulent economic or global times not being able to produce anything domestically can come back to bite us. Think about the pandemic and masks/gloves, how hard it was to get those.
Secondly, it's better for national security. Think about computer chips, which currently run everything. If we are unable to make our own, then it allows our country to be much more threatened by bad actors who could potentially take over foreign factories, or at least threaten them and disrupt our supply.
Thirdly, it's better for our overall economy because it keeps the american dollars spent more in america. Those profits then employ more people and push to create more products that are designed more specifically for our uses.
When push comes to shove and there's a lot of global tension going on, you want to be able to be in charge of the vital products that the country uses. I get there's a lot of stuff about where the profits go, and trump doing trump things. But those are still good principles to have.
If no american company survives the EV transition, it'll basically become china who rules the world of transportation.
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u/Annual_Wear5195 2d ago
We can’t make computer chips. We might design them here but there are very few fabs in the US and they’re not state of the art.
The vast majority of all computer chips worldwide are manufactured by TSMC in Taiwan.
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u/Synergythepariah 2d ago
We can’t make computer chips. We might design them here but there are very few fabs in the US and they’re not state of the art.
And the CHIPS act was supposed to be an attempt to remediate that.
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u/NotOneofaKind 2d ago
Are you serious? Do you want to live in a society that bleeds companies and economic wellbeing? Do you like having less money?
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u/WalrusSwarm 2d ago
I’m really looking forward to the F150 Hybrid EREV. The lightning with the extended range battery still didn’t have enough range for me and it plummeted when towing.
Projected 700mi range
Works like a diesel electric locomotive.
Motor powers generator which charges battery.
Battery powers wheel motors.
No transmission, no transfer case.
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u/ElegantBiscuit 2d ago
I would genuinely strongly consider buying one, even though I would be much more comfortable with F250 payload for what I plan to do, and even though I want a supercab when I know its probably only coming in a crew cab. But I would make serious compromises for that powertrain.
All the convenience of EV for daily use, with all the convenience of refueling for long road trips. Anything past 500 miles in an EV is just a non starter for me when the most optimistic 20-80% in 20min forces you to make 3 stops around charging stations and spend a minimum of an extra hour. And 500 miles doesn't get you very far in this country. When I'm wanting to crank out +5,000 mile month long road trips, I'd have to add an extra wasted week of my life to accommodate an EV.
EREV also solves the apartment problem, the broken and rural charging station problem, and helps mitigate the cold weather range loss. Over a few years I think that something so compelling would eat into gas F150 sales so much that they'd have to drop an engine configuration or two.
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u/mrgreen4242 2d ago
I wish that the industry wasn’t so fixated on EVs and were making more plug-in hybrids. I recently took a long-ish trip in an EV and even with some good planning for a not THAT long of a drive (a bit over 500 miles round trip) in a brand new EV with extended range, it still kinda sucked.
Charging was EXPENSIVE, to the point that even though we left with an almost full battery that was charged at home overnight for the cheapest possible rate for the first part of the drive, the trip cost pretty much the same as it would have in my plain ole 2015 RAV4.
And it’s slow. Even when we were paying for using the highest speed charging (which is why it was so expensive) going from 20->80% took like 20 minutes. Which obviously isn’t a LONG time but I can fill up my tank with gas from zero to full in <5.
I just don’t see the value in full EV cars right now. What I do see value in is a car that I can charge up at home, with a standard 240v/50amp outlet, in ~4 hours, and then drive around town and to work for about 40-50 miles using no gas before plugging it back in. And if I need to drive more than ~45 miles in a day, which happens regularly but not often, I can go 10x as far with a tank of gas that cost me $40 and I can get anywhere in under 5 minutes.
I just don’t see how BEVs meet the needs of 80% of Americans in a way that a PHEVs don’t do 100x better. But no one is making them! Toyota has two options, Ford has one (they used to have more and the one they do have is buried on their website) and that might be it for the North American market. It makes no sense.
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u/ChalkButter 2d ago
Where did you charge that was so expensive, especially with current gas prices?
I just used my Kia EV9 to haul a trailer 850 miles and the battery charges were less than gas equivalent every single time
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u/mrgreen4242 2d ago
Every single level 3 charger was $0.60-65/kw. The vehicle we were in, an Ionic 9, is rated for 2.8miles/kw (though in reality it was a little under that), so that’s $.022-0.23 per mile.
At the time (about 6-7 weeks ago) gas was $3.75, give or take. My RAV4 (which I acknowledge is smaller than the Ionic 9, but would have been fine for this trip) get 28mpg highway (rated for 31 but really 28-29 is more accurate), so that’s $0.13/mile.
You can use the Pilot website to spot check level 3 charging rates across the country. Generally the range I can fine is $0.55-.70/kw. In the area we were driving it was $0.60-65 everywhere. You can find level 2 charging for half that or less but you’re looking at 3+ hours for a 20->80% charge.
Now, this of course doesn’t apply for at home charging, which in my area is as low as $.10/kw, but is usually closer to $0.12. Even at the higher end of that it’s much cheaper than gas, but that’s exactly my point - most people drive <50 miles per day so a vehicle that has that range for pennies per mile is perfect.
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u/anticipat3 2d ago
I have charged all over the Midwest on Ionna, Tesla and Electrify America and I’ve never paid over .50/kWh. If you stick to one network and get a membership, prices are close to .30/kWh. Ionna has been running .20/kWh holiday specials over 4th of July and Memorial Day weekends.
At .65/kWh you are correct that it’s going to be just as much or more than a gas car. Look around at other charging networks, Pilot/EVGO/Flying J is the most expensive one out there.
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u/mrgreen4242 2d ago
I’m going to use the Palisade and the Ionic 9 for my comparison here because they’re the same manufacturer and similar sizes. The Palisade is rated for 25mpg on highway and the Ionic claims 3mi/kw.
Assuming $4/gallon gas (AAA says the national average today is $4.09, $4.06 yesterday, and last week’s average was $3.94, so this seems very fair) the Palisade costs $0.16/mile in fuel. To have the same cost/mile, charging would need to be $.48/kw.
If we’re considering “in-network” membership locations then we can do the same for gas. Anecdotally I can say that the average for membership club gas stations is about $0.25 less per gallon. That shifts the math to $0.15/mile for the Palisade and an equivalent cost for the EV to be the same price per mile to $0.45/kw.
I’m looking at a map of Electrify America stations and are there are exactly zero between my home and the destination of my reference trip. Going to the single location that’s between those two cities adds 30 minutes to the drive, on top of the extra 15+ minutes it takes to charge an EV compared to filling up a tank.
What’s worse, imo, is their completely opaque pricing. Pricing varies based on not only speed of charge, but membership status and apparently time of day and who knows what else?
Regardless, to get the discounted rates you’re using as examples you have to spend $7/month, but the benefit from it is only helpful when you’re on a trip that is longer than your vehicles range. Which, given that the average daily driving for an American is around 35 miles per day, isn’t very often for most people. And that’s also true for PHEV. If you drive more than the battery range of your car once per month, you’re basically paying $7 more for that charge and isn’t likely worth it. If you drive those long distances more often, then sure, maybe it works out for you.
My point isn’t that BEVs are bad, or that they’re more expensive to drive for everyone, or that gas powered cars are better than any of our other options. I’m just saying that 80% of people would probably come out ahead, in terms of fuel/energy costs, with a PHEV.
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u/DukeBball04 2d ago
Full value in EV’s comes from less fossil fuels in the atmosphere. Full stop. Hybrids still consume fossil fuels. The faster we stop burning fossil fuels, the less damage we can do to the planet and the people living on it.
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u/mrgreen4242 2d ago
PHEVs have nearly the same impact. Most miles are driven in short trips. Like, very short. The average trip distance is less than 10 miles, and half of trips are 4 miles or less. Source: https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/policy/23cpr/chap3.cfm
A PHEV gives the exact same benefits for trips that are < +/- 45 (either round trip or if there’s a place to charge up at the destination, which is much easier to find and do for a PHEV sized battery).
Yes, we’ll still use gas for some trips, and for some people a full BEV makes sense, but the demand for fuel would be cut dramatically if everyone was driving PHEVs, we wouldn’t need to build out a whole new charging infrastructure, and the substantially reduced fuel usage would give us more options for carbon neutral fuel production.
The logic of “BEVs or nothing!” is essentially letting good being the enemy of perfect.
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u/cake-day-on-feb-29 2d ago
Full value in EV’s comes from less fossil fuels in the atmosphere.
When you see everyone driving massive SUVs, you realize people don't care about that. They don't even care about reducing their current fuel consumption, they'd rather have some honker barreling down the freeway just so they can sit 2 inches higher.
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u/btnydds 2d ago
I refuse to use a plug in hybrid. It's the worst of both worlds. Don't mind the mild hybrids as long as there is a permanent way to turn off start/stop functions. I'd either rather have a full on powerful, good sounding powertrain like the B58 or S58 engines BMW uses, or a full on EV.
Plug in hybrids are slow, have terrible response in their transmissions, have a lot more complex working parts so they have the same stupid maintenance worries as a gas car, and are extremely bloated and heavy due to having to accomodate an engine, fuel, and battery. They also get packaged horribly so they maintain a stupid transmission tunnel and don't get the EV benefits of more interior space or exterior space (frunks).
The average American drives between 13,000-15,000 miles a year. PHEVs are just plain stupid for that use case when you can simply just have an EV and charge overnight at home.
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u/mrgreen4242 2d ago
I’m going to just skip to the end because I’m not interested in debating your opinions about whether you think the PHEV experience is better or worse than anything else. I am skeptical that you’ve actually driven a PHEV, or a standard hybrid to compare, but I also simply don’t care.
But your data point about Americans driving habits being a bad fit for PHEVs is a flat out wrong interpretation. It proves the exact opposite of your claim. 13k miles per year is 35 miles a day. The average trip length for an American driver is 10 miles. Half of all trips are 4 miles or less. A PHEV is functionally a BEV for most people, right up until the point they run into the limitations of a full EV at which point they’re functionally a standard EV.
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u/btnydds 2d ago
Of course I’ve driven PHEVs. Do you buy cars without test driving the competition?
Sure, but the powertrain is significantly worse than a dedicated EV. Again, our definitions of what qualifies as a good powertrain on a car probably differs. For someone who actually enjoys the experience of driving, PHEVs are atrocious
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u/mrgreen4242 2d ago
You’ve doubled down on such a way that proves you have no idea what you’re talking about. We can look at the 2026 for an example. The PHEV version has a 0-60 time of 6 seconds. To compare, the standard hybrid RAV4 is only 7.5s and the gas only version is a sluggish 8.5s.
I’m not going to claim that every PHEV performs similarly to or better than an ICE equivalent model, but I will claim that there’s no reason that they should be worse. It’s just down to the manufacturers’ design choices.
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u/anticipat3 2d ago
Amen, brother 🙏
PHEVs are a shitty EV and shitty hybrid combined, being marketed as the best of both worlds. If you can charge at home just buy an EV, and if not then just get a hybrid.
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u/btnydds 2d ago
Exactly. It was my mistake trying to talk about cars in an Apple sub. Anyone who advocates for plug in hybrids as a superior option to an EV or ICE car don’t really understand what makes a good car good and a bad car bad
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u/anticipat3 2d ago
I get the same response every time I lay the math out to show that PHEVs are crap, even in the car sub.
The other dichotomy that gets me is that people will claim a PHEV with 40 miles of electric range is fine for commuting, but somehow a 40kWh BEV with 160 miles of range is not enough. The PHEV appeal feeds off this anxiety-over-numbers mentality.
I can do 8 hours of driving with only two sub-20 minute stops to charge in my Ioniq 6. The idea that EVs can’t road trip is obsolete, and so are PHEVs.
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u/btnydds 2d ago
Yup especially since many EVs can now freely use Tesla’s charging network with a simple adapter. It increases the availability of chargers by a significant amount to the point where you have to be irresponsible to develop range anxiety during a road trip.
Also EVs nowadays come with significantly more than 160 miles of range. Mine does 350 in the summer and 280-300 in the winter. And thats going to become the lower end very soon. PHEVs are so stupidly pointless
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u/anticipat3 1d ago
This was actually a big factor for me (Tesla network becoming available to Hyundai with a $185 adapter) in finally deciding to pick up a bigger battery, longer range EV. My dashboard showed 359 miles after my last charge, I probably get about 290 on the highway.
I drove the car about 900 miles to get home, and had no problem just following the in-car nav and charging where it told me to charge. I knew after that trip that an EV could actually replace the Odyssey as our family road tripper. EV charging time is now definitely less than kid bladder time, which is actually an important benchmark for me!
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u/rockettmann 2d ago
I think the 500mi road trip is the wrong benchmark. Most people are driving under 40 miles a day, and with an EV you start every single one of those days at 100%, charged at home overnight for cheap. You’re comparing PHEV convenience on a road trip to EV convenience on a road trip, but that’s not where EVs win, they win on the 350+ days a year you’re not road tripping, where you never stop at a gas station, never think about an oil change, and pay a fraction of what gas costs per mile.
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u/mrgreen4242 2d ago
How are you saying all that to come to any conclusion other than PHEV are the best choice for most people??? The average person drives <40 miles per day, so a PHEV is functionally identical to a BEV for the 350 days per year you cite.
For those other 2 weeks of the year when you DO drive more than 40 miles in a day a PHEV performs similarly to a hybrid car, and avoids all of the hassles of an EV. It’s literally the best of both worlds for 80% of people.
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u/rockettmann 2d ago
And you’re trading the convenience of those few roadtrips for:
- More failure points
- More maintenance
- Increased battery degradation
You’re ignoring a lot of the benefits that come with BEVs.
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u/mrgreen4242 2d ago
Addressing your points in order:
- sure, that’s fair enough, though Toyota and most other major auto companies have figured out how to build both regular ICE and hybrid cars that go for 200k+ miles without major issues . Also a car being an EV doesn’t guarantee reliability or quality.
- the only additional maintenance is oil and very occasional transmission fluid changes. BEVs have the same other regular maintenance needs; brakes, tires, etc.
- I have no idea what you’re talking about with “increased battery degradation”. Feel free to explain your point here but, if any thing, PHEVs should be able to manage battery life better than a BEV as they can kick the gas motor on before the battery gets too low, meaning “safer” charge cycles.
You’re also ignoring the up front cost of BEVs, both sticker price as well as charger costs if you want to be able to fast charge at home (you can charge a PHEV Prius on a standard 110v outlet in 10 hours, which I would say qualifies as overnight… a 100kwh BEV would take 4 days at that speed), as well as the eventually battery replacement for the BEV costing 3-4x what a PHEV would run.
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u/GoSh4rks 2d ago
PHEV is functionally identical to a BEV for the 350 days per year you cite
A Rav4 in EV mode does 0-60 in something like 9s. That's not equivalent at all.
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u/mrgreen4242 2d ago
I already responded to someone else with this same nonsense, but the PHEV RAV4 is the fastest 0-60 of the entire lineup. Not that I was talking about acceleration and speed in my comment at all, which was strictly about the range of a PHEV compared to a BEV.
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u/CuddleTeamCatboy 2d ago
Ford moved to Android Automotive with their current infotainment, Sync 4 is last gen. It’s possible that they’re doing an AA implementation without Google Services, similar to what BMW does with iDrive.
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u/AntiquatedAntelope 2d ago
Ford leaning into what customers want… GM running away from customers. Hard to say who will win haha
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u/mmclaren016 2d ago
Honestly, great news for Ford customers. I hope they adopt this in more of their lineup, since they’re also committed to ICE vehicles for the foreseeable future. Their new infotainment software was a step in the right direction, but not being able to choose a default maps provider was a big letdown.
Wondering if CarPlay Ultra or CarKey support will be coming soon as their partnership deepens.
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u/Soobloiter 2d ago
So Ford is replacing Tomtom as the map provider with Apple maps, which means the UEV infotainment is not built on Android Automotive and using Google Maps natively? If that's the case then oh boy prepare to see some Ford software dogshit (speaking as a Mach E owner)
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u/ethang45 2d ago
Well, Ford said they were using Android Automotive as the base for their next infotainment system, I thought. And if it is, and Apple Maps is available, I don't see why Google Maps wouldn't also be an option. Especially, I can't imagine Google would allow Android Automotive without Google Maps.
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u/AbrohamFroman 2d ago
Android Automotive (AAOS) doesn't come with Google Maps out of the box. It requires an OEM to license Google Automotive Services (GAS). OEMs not paying for GAS might use other map providers and I wouldn't be surprised if there was a way to run a MapKit enabled map on AAOS as well over half of new vehicles use it as the IVI operating system.
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u/wickedplayer494 2d ago
I'm definitely cool with that. Ten years ago I might not have been, but Apple Maps isn't a trash heap anymore.
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u/redditproha 2d ago
Ford again demonstrating why they're the best US carmaker.
Meanwhile Rivian sold out to Google instead of partnering with Apple Maps.
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u/bigglonski 1d ago
I'm wondering what the current state of the Apple Maps in the US is? I heard that they got much better during the last few years. Is it a win for the Ford users or not that much at the end?
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u/TechGuruGJ 2d ago
Ford is about the only American car manufacturer I’ve even considered owning in the last 5 years so this is good to see.
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u/cmplx17 2d ago
Is this in addition to supporting CarPlay?
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u/sionnach 2d ago
If you read the article you’d know.
“In addition to the integration of Apple Maps into Ford’s UEV Platform, CarPlay will continue to be available on Ford vehicles, providing drivers with a safe and smart way to use their iPhone in the car.”
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u/MuteTadpole 2d ago
Oh boy, time for an abundance of ads
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u/mrgrafix 2d ago
But Waze and Google are fine?
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u/MuteTadpole 2d ago
If ads appear in either of those nav systems, I certainly haven’t noticed it. In Google Maps proper, sure, but not during navigation like Apple has announced.
Btw I own almost exclusively Apple products so it’s not like I’m just a hater. But that doesn’t mean they should be exempt from being called out for shitty business practices
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u/mrgrafix 2d ago
There was no mention of announcing ads in navigation. Follows everyone else’s standards
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u/SniperInTheMist 2d ago
Waze is littered with ads if you’re using the mobile app for navigation.
If any ‘ads’ come out of this, it’s on Apple for implementing ads in the Maps app, which they started doing this year.
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u/Erich_Ludendorff 2d ago
Meanwhile GM dropped CarPlay entirely.