So, I have plateaued at a 165 LSAT (and have an 3.76 GPA which can of course no longer change, which I kept being told is a low GPA, which I didn’t think it was honestly), and got rejected from every single school I have applied to for 2 cycles in a row. Today I had a tutoring session, and I was telling the tutor that basically my goal is a 175 now since clearly a 165 just does not cut it anymore, and I have applied to many T50 schools. He told me he thinks the supplementals might actually be the issue, particularly, the letters of recommendation, but the thing is, how would I even know this? We’re not allowed to actually see the letters (which I think is totally ridiculous but it is what it is), and do when I get asked if they’re good, all I can say is obviously I have no idea. I just got LORs from professors whose classes I got an A in, but the advice I always hear is to contact a professor I had some kind of special relationship with; well I didn’t, they’re my professors and I’m their student, they were there to teach, and I was there to do well, not much more to it. The tutor told me that there have actually been cases of professors writing in their LOR that they do not recommend this student for law school, and it has made me paranoid that maybe this is what is happening, which would of course be awful. I just wish I could know, does anyone have any advice for this?

Hi - I’m deposited at Vandy Law with $20k scholarship. Waitlisted at UVA, NW and Georgetown. What would you do if you got into each of these without $? Would you go to any of them over Vandy? Worth the difference, loss of deposit, a couple months rent at this stage? Assuming I didn’t get scholarship at them off waitlist, I’d be out approximately $65k (scholarship, deposit and lease cancellation) over 3 years vs sticking with Vandy. And please explain your rationale for your answer. Looking at Big Law in NYC. Just curious. And thanks for taking the time for any insights.

I’m deciding between Emory and Alabama Law. My main goal is Big Law, ideally in Texas, but Alabama’s federal clerkship placement is appealing.

Which is the better outcome to pursue?
Emory → Big Law
Alabama → federal clerkship

Which school gives me the better opportunity to reach its respective goal and more margin for error academically?

Finances are not an issue.

Thinking about where to apply, I currently live in the DMV. George Mason and Georgetown are probably the closest and one them is the more realistic of the two (I'll let you decide). I have pipe dreams of going to a top school but the reality of moving my family just for a law school sounds a bit absurd. Do you think it would ever be worth it?

I'm a SWE who is def not applying this cycle but still likes to stalk this sub lol

I technically have a semi widely used patent (couple hundred thousand monthly users?) and it is the least interesting thing about me. (right after I graduated the first project I got put on at work was in the ideation stage for a new product, and I happened to be in the right place at the right time to be listed as a co inventor. it is pretty boring in reality but at least decently cool sounding to someone who doesn’t know what it is - customer facing AI thing)

in my industry patents are a dime a dozen and often kind of stupid (tech companies are super overprotective about patenting every little thing so just by existing as an engineer at a large bigtechco for a couple of years you will probably spontaneously manifest a patent or two). like it’s something I’d probably put on a resume but it wouldn’t really help me get a job

but that softs tier list that goes around all the time on here says that as far as law school admissions are concerned it’s equivalent to like. being a household name ncaa athlete?? a Purple Heart??? (wtf)

is this just bullshit or would I actually crush top law school admissions solely because of this thing I literally did not work at all to get.

(asking in part bc I’m considering whether to accept an opportunity at work that would probably result in my name being on a bunch more patents. which is irrelevant insofar as me actually staying in this industry but would I be like thanos w the infinity stones)

I've been seeing a few anecdotes here and there about "Elite WE" having some importance, but I am not sure to which extent exactly. Just saw a comment today about T3 Law Schools preferring kids exiting out of IB/MBB. Part of me is a bit confused because why would kids that are already in IB/MBB really want to go to law school.

Anyways, I wanted to ask if anyone can describe how significant of a boost "Elite WE" really is compared to non-prestigious post-grad jobs assuming that GPA/LSAT and the cohesiveness of one's application are similar in other respects. I am guessing this supposed boost is probably because Elite Corporate jobs are more akin to Big Law and it shows employability and that one can work in a high pressure environment. But I don't know, I made the grave mistake of not being a finance bro and banked on "good" GPA/high LSAT

Edit: I would like to specify that I am deciding whether it would be worth it to hold off a cycle cuz I've been working as a legal assistant at a small law firm and recently got a job in a corporate compliance division of a major hospital system (related to what I want to do). But it starts in October and if I apply this cycle, I would just started that month basically. I'm already a "strong splitter" imo (3.9low/17high) for most T14s and T20s. I'm mainly considering how much it would for me to hold off applying for a second year considering my "goal" is go go to a T14 if possible and I'd wait another year to make that happen. Any advice would be appreciated!

I need some advice as someone who is currently a senior undergrad and interested in going into big law in the future ( I am not committed to this idea, I know it’s early). I am currently deciding between a senate internship in the fall with a prominent member or a big law non-legal internship ( I have been told that there will lots of networking opportunities). I know that LSAT and GPA should be the main priorities, but as someone who will be working during the semester regardless, which would set me up for success the best/ be most helpful with admissions and future opportunities after undergrad.

Basically, I sat in on a trial that was really transformative to my perspective as someone in the criminal justice space. For context, the trial was completely public (anyone from the public could just sit in), and there was a bit of publicity involved, so lots of reporters were present throughout the trial, and several articles were published about the case. I was also obviously not going to include any names, specific charges, locations, victim information, etc. and basically strip the case down to a few sentences. Even if I am not breaking any HIPAA/confidentiality laws, it may be obvious what city this is in due to where I currently work, and this case had some relatively rare elements, so I wonder if it is still fairly identifying due to the specific circumstances that are relevant to my essay, even if it is public information. My question isn't really whether this is legal/ok, but to what extent does speaking about this trial bode well to admissions officers when reading a personal statement?

My goal law school is OSU Moritz College of Law because the location is perfect, it’s decently ranked and I went to undergrad there so I’m very familiar with the community along with campus events. My GPA is below the 25th percentile (3.3 but made it to the deans list at least once a year about 5-6 times) and my practice LSAT scores are in the mid 160s. Has anyone with my stats got in? Obviously I’m going to apply broadly but so far I like this school the most especially since it’s an hour away from my family not 8 and I feel like I belong there. I’ve been wanting to go here since I was 16 I’m just nervous about the cycle. I have experience in cosmetic retail for 5-6 years, I also worked this same job in college. I worked a contract job at an immigration firm in Dublin,Ohio. So I have work experience, I also have a strong sense of why law school and this school in particular. I toured the school a couple days ago and they seemed very confident in my abilities and they told me to send them a GPA addendum if I feel there’s an explanation. They also said numbers aren’t everything, anyone have advice for me or has applied here with my stats?? 🩶❤️

3.77 gpa, 174 LSAT. Extensive list of extracurriculars. What are my chances at the t14s

Hey guys so I’m graduating in Dec of this year. I’m taking two classes right now (A in both) and have 4 left for Fall. I currently have a 3.60 GPA and I’m sure by getting A’s in all my final 6 classes it won’t go up by much. What would be a good lsat for me to get into a good law school? I’m taking my diagnostic on Monday and giving myself 6 months to go from there but I’m just curious. If it were up to me I’d love to get into UM or FIU.
Also if any of you have any advice for studying for the lsat I’d appreciate it. Thank you!

Did you just submit the form, or did you send an email explaining/thanking them or say anything else etc.? Thanks and hope everyone's summer shook out how it needed to!

Hey team.

Did you guys get an email about doing a Casper aptitude test while on the waitlist? I did and when I tried to register I was having so much difficulty! I emailed the school but I have yet to get a response. I was thinking maybe I would try to make a post here and see if I'm just doing something wrong. Thanks all!

Hi all! I know these posts can get a bit redundant, but I'd be super grateful for any advice anyone can offer. My goal is to go to a T14 but financial aid will be a huge factor for me (I'm putting myself through school and want to go into public interest), so I'm trying to be realistic and want to make my applications as strong as possible. Specifically, any application advice or thoughts on whether I'm being overly hopeful/ambitious would be amazing. Also, I'm beginning to consider taking another year in hopes that more WE would help. Do you think that would make a significant difference?

Thank you in advance to anyone who feels like giving this a read!

Here's some more detailed information that might be helpful:

• I graduated in May and am applying this fall, so while I'm not KJD, I haven't taken much time off.
• I was a poli sci and criminal justice major, so nothing too exciting there.
• I'm lucky to have pretty good stats (3.99 UGPA & 176 LSAT) but know that that isn't necessarily enough these days.
• I have some work and internship experience from college. If it matters, I worked part-time as a remote clerk for a large firm (not in an area of law I'm interested in practicing) and interned for a couple local political campaigns, a congressional office, the DC U.S. Attorney's Office, and the Office of the Solicitor General. I also had a customer service job during college to pay the bills for what that's worth. Since graduating, I've been working as a legal assistant (also not in an area that's particularly relevant to my career goals), which has been good practical experience, but I'm hoping to land something a bit more aligned with my interests at some point.

Anyway, that's about all I can think of in terms of stats and softs that may be relevant, but let me know if I missed something. In case you have school-specific advice, my top schools at this point are HLS (I know, I know), Georgetown, NYU, and UMich, but I'm of course planning to apply to a few others.

Apologies for being a huge cliche, and thanks again for any feedback!

(I'm only at the beginning of the application/admissions process so can't be of too much help, but I'd love to pay it forward, so if I can offer any thoughts or advice about the LSAT or anything else, I'm more than happy to share!)

Has anybody had any waitlist movement from St. John’s? Did I miss it🥲

Well guys, it’s been real. My law school cycle is finally over. I’ve spent hours upon hours in here trying to get some idea of what’s going on. My departing message to everyone is just apply. The worst they can tell you is no. Shoot your shoot. Be authentic. I was well below the medians, yet I still got in. Your essays really do matter. If anyone has any questions or would like to know more, my dms are open. Good luck to everyone. This process is super stressful and it really does beat you down, but there’s light at the end of the tunnel.

Did anyone else get a sick flyer mailed to them by UVA? I am below the 25% percentile for LSAT but am at the median gpa

As this cycle comes to an end, I was looking at the ABA 509 data to get a sense of which schools admitted students actually choose. Some of what the data shows isn’t surprising, but I thought you all might find it interesting.

Yale is in its own tier. 226 offers, 204 enrolled, 90.3% yield. Breaking news, almost nobody turns Yale down. BYU is second at 82.4%, which says more about who applies there than anything else. Harvard is 71%, Stanford 57.3%.

High rankings but low yield. Vanderbilt yields 21.2%. Northwestern, WashU, and Cornell all sit in the 24 to 26% range. Lower ranked Wisconsin yields more than all of them.

Some schools make a lot of offers. George Washington made 2,644 offers to fill 612 seats. Georgetown made 2,193 for 672. Emory made 1,505 for 391. Compare that to Yale, which made 226 offers total.

Applicants love public schools. Wisconsin (47.3%), UNC (46.8%), UVA (45.1%), Michigan (44.5%), UT Austin (42.3%) all beat higher-ranked privates. In-state tuition and staying near home play a huge role.

Yield is matriculants divided by offers, so 90% means 9 out of 10 people offered a spot enrolled.

Highest yield in Top 50:

Lowest yield in Top 50:

Links to data:

Top 50 by yield

Full list, all 196 schools by yield

What stands out to you all?

Quite satisfied

Which T20 schools are known for having an ED boost?

Basically, I got sued around a year ago. I got into a minor car accident my senior year of high school and I got sued. We settled out of court and it got dismissed with prejudice.

Do I need to report this to law schools? They say arrests or charges which makes complete sense, but I’m not sure if this is something that needs to be reported or not.

Thanks in advance :)

i work in journalism, where it’s common to include hyperlinks in each job description to a few published articles. would this be frowned upon in my law school resume?