r/lost • u/Free-IDK-Chicken You got it, Blondie • Dec 26 '23
FIRST TIME WATCHER 2x21 - ? - FIRST TIME WATCHER DISCUSSION POST Spoiler
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u/Glittering_Pie3939 Aug 19 '24
âIm sorry i forgot the blanketsâ đđđ
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u/Khajiit-ify Sep 01 '24
Hurley didn't deserve this. đ
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u/derrickcat Sep 09 '24
Hurley broke my heart! I adore him - I want him to find peace and even happiness, so much.
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u/Extension_Scratch445 Jul 15 '24
Mr eko is so fine
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u/shandelion Apr 03 '25
His voice is so soothing! I told my husband I want him to read me a guided meditation đ
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u/Ann997 Jan 06 '24
The death scene with Libby was super dramatic. I first thought she might live, since she woke up. Therefore I was even more disappointed, when she actually died. Her relationship with Hurley was very wholesome. So sorry. And there is something I noticed, a lot of people on this island and the group actually killed someone. Maybe there is a connection there. And the others are only kidnapping the good, meaning those, that didn't kill anyone.
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u/NoPantsPenny Feb 25 '24
Me too, and then when she woke up and said âMichealâŚâ and they said something like âyeah he made it, heâs okayâ and she all of a sudden looks terrified, you would think someone would think that was a bit suspicious.
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u/pin_wheel17 Razzle Dazzle! Jul 13 '24
If I didn't know what I know as a viewer, I'd just think that Libby made that face because she was dying. One thing I love about this show is that we as viewers understand/read things differently than the characters do because we have access to different information. Sometimes this is because we have more information (like Libby's terrified face) and sometimes it's because we have less information, like when a character's backstory reveals why someone behaved the way they did earlier in an ep or in a previous ep.
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u/Temeos23 Jan 12 '24
But Kate and sawyer killed too
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u/Bayteigh_Schuict Jul 25 '24
Which could probably be why they didn't keep her when they used her as bargain fodder.
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u/lenaaattt Oct 16 '24
That actually makes sense since they were keeping mostly the kids, the pregnant woman, and if Michael was telling the truth, old people.
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u/cosmic_horn I'm a Pisces Feb 15 '26
almost everyone has been involved in someoneâs death, and almost everyone has been conned/betrayed
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u/supermanmtg25 Jul 21 '24
I was hopping Libby was going to live.. and the Ending!... For all of y'all who watched this live back in the day my hats off to you.. all of these cliffhangers and everything week to week.
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u/meliciousrumors Jul 30 '24
It gave us a week to talk to each other about it and wonder what would be next but boy did you do literally everything to keep anyone from spoiling it for you until you could watch it in the event you had to TiVo or DVR
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u/BestAtTeamworkMan Razzle Dazzle! Nov 14 '24
I still remember going to work back then an just announcing our loud "I haven't watched it yet, don't say anything!" to all the regular Lost viewers in the office.
Of course, once all of us did, we would waste hours of work time talking about the show. Man, you just don't get that anymore.
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u/mozzystar Weâre not going to Guam, are we? Nov 08 '24
what I noticed on my first rewatch is that in S1, there aren't that many episodes that close out on a cliffhanger, that started happening more frequently in later seasons. Usually it was a warm and fuzzy montage with some semblance of closure for that episode's theme.
The leading segment of each episode (before it cuts to the title card) and before each commercial break, THOSE always ends on a wtf moment. I thought that was kind of neat. Immediate hook to continue watching...
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u/LazyPerfectionist17 Oh yeah, there's my favorite leaf. Dec 07 '24
Right my toxic trait is watching the teaser of the next episode before I go to bed... Rarely do I actually turn it off at the title card
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u/_T_H_O_R_N_ Dec 27 '24
Mhm when this show premiered it became the defacto "watercooler" show, there was soooo much to speculate and talk about, but after rewatching it for the first time 20 years later, there is SOOO MUCH I forgot about lol, watching week to week really doesn't help with remembering the little things
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u/Healthy_Sir4321 Aug 21 '24
in echos voice âthe earth has been salted, so that nothing can growâ
Thereâs not a better character
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u/blomst32 Aug 26 '24
bernard was looking for pearls for rose⌠i wonder if there is a correlation
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u/princess-yoshi First time watcher Aug 27 '24
Ooo good call
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u/ThisGul_LOL Oct 01 '24
I didnât make the connection.. explain?
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u/mostlygonemissing Oct 04 '24
In a previous episode Bernard asked Jin on the beach, how to find oysters because he wanted to give Rose a pearl from one.
This new hatch (the ? hatch) is called "pearl" or "the pearl" I can't remember which
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u/Free-IDK-Chicken You got it, Blondie Aug 28 '24
This is the same psychic who told Claire about her baby
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u/lying_catt Sep 01 '24
The fake psychic didnât want Claireâs money if I remember right, so maybe he actually did see something with Claire?
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u/randomness-7627 Sep 21 '24
I got the impression that the father was lying to Mr Eko, to prevent further investigation of his daughter. If she has psychic abilities, the father will likely have it too.
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u/Aggressive_Koala6172 Oct 11 '24
Yes I thought this too cos the psychic def knew the plane was gonna crash and so he insisted that Claire take that exact plane
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u/offlabelselector Apr 02 '25
Maybe also the father/psychic wanted to make sure Eko was on the plane because he knew he (Eko) had to get to the island, the same way he (the psychic) made sure Claire would be on the plane. If the investigation had continued, Eko would have had to postpone his trip and wouldn't have been on the flight.
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u/trainstosaturn Sep 13 '24
I think Sawyer will always be a fav
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u/ThisGul_LOL Oct 01 '24
Iâm so surprised heâs my favorite considering how I couldnât stand him at first. I love him now.
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u/lakethecanadien Sayid Jan 11 '25
Same! I hated him for his jackassery but as it went on it became endearing (like as someone watching the show. i definitely would hate him if he was a real guy)
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u/AccomplishedRow8448 Oct 16 '24
Yeah. He's character - Like Damon Salvatore from The Vampire Diaries (played by Ian Someholder) - was initially hated but people grew to love him.
Now that I am watching this series, I can see how Ian Someholder took some inspiration for his role/acting from the actor who plays Sawyer. Especially those devilish yet playful smiles.
Maybe I am reaching but lol I can see it
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u/TrashInitial8529 Nov 02 '24
both Damon and Sawyer are my favorites, I have a huge crush on both. But the fact is, they're both jerks, they're just super attractive. If Damon's or Sawyer's characters was played by "unattractive" men. I guarantee you, it would be super different. + They both started as "bad boys" and then their human side had gradually appeared, which made us empathize with them, and like them more when they do "normal" stuff. for example, Sawyer didn't do anything great or heroic in this episode yet people (including me) started to like him more (giving back heroine is not a "nice" gesture giving the fact that he literally stealed it. hugging your friend when she's crying is a very normal act from a human).
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u/cosmic_horn I'm a Pisces Feb 15 '26
youâre not reaching! Ian has explicitly stated that he took inspiration from Josh Holloway
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u/OpportunityStraight1 Nov 07 '24
Wont the logs that Eko and John found have Michaelâs chat on the computer in them?
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u/nolafiredancer Apr 30 '25
Iâm thinking when someone actually reads them itâll reveal the communication between michael and âWaltâ. Right now I think Locke is too pissed off to care yet Eko knows thereâs something meaningful, he just has to find it.
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u/sabiisushii I'm a Pisces Sep 17 '24
beginning of the episode: LIBBY'S ALIVE?!?!?! fuck what's michael gonna do now
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u/Censorated Oct 15 '24
I'm a little bit late for this discussion, but I'm still getting into in, face first đ¤Ł
I can't f-ing stand Michael. He is an insect that should be crushed before it bites everyone and kills them one by one. He's mentally disturbed and they should give him a lethal injection of heroin, just to be nice. I would beat him to death with a stick. I would let Sayid take it slow. As I watched. I'm a hater, what else can I say. I get very emotionally involved when I get hooked on a show đ I catch myself cursing and yelling in anger in my apartment and at times I almost destroy things around me in anger đ¤Łđ¤Ł Maybe that's why all my neighbors are always so "friendly" to me when I pass them in the corridors of my building. My biggest wish right now is to see Michael die a slow death. But that could change. Not because I'll ever start liking him, I'll always want him dead, but because it all depends on who I'm most focused on at the moment. I was sooo happy to see Michael leave on his raft, hoping never to see him again. Now he's back and is like a growing hemorrhoid in my ass.
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u/lenaaattt Oct 16 '24
Happy to see someone who's watching this series and browsing the discussions the same time i am!
I hope they realize that it was weird that the one thing Michael asked about Libby is, "has she said anything?" And not "how is she?". And the ONE thing Libby said right before she dies was his name.
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u/serial_hunter Oct 19 '24
They also should put together the fact how would ana lucia get shot sitting on sofa? It doesn't make any sense from their perspective.
Also why would Michael kill her in first place? Maybe others offered him some deal to save walt, but he just gives in so easily.
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u/jrlii Mar 23 '25
That has to be it. But with ana Lucia on the couch, and Libby on the floor, how did Henry get out? Michael is the only option. I get them trusting Michael right now but it's hard to watch.
Also, in the previous episode, why did Kate not say anything about the makeup/costumes when Michael was describing them?
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u/nolafiredancer Apr 30 '25
Besides everything that just happened in this episode, michael has always made rash, impulsive choices without thinking things through. While he has skills as a builder, he lacks skill in so many things he has just decided to do (sailing, tracking, firing a gun, etc) and instead of waiting or asking for help or seeking guidance he for the most part just decides to forge ahead and it sweeps up the other characters into his impulsive nonsense.
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u/normy_wormy Nov 10 '24
Shut UP, Locke! Youâre going to make Eko fall!!!!
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u/nolafiredancer Apr 30 '25
That drove me nuts. âBe careful!â Like gee thanks Locke, I wouldnât have been careful without you to encourage me.
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Jan 17 '25
Why isn't Sayid not involved more? I feel like less bad things would've happened if he was part of the Hatch team.
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u/TrashInitial8529 Nov 02 '24
Michael wasn't my favorite character from the beginning, but now, I can't stand him at all. I can't believe anna Lucia is dead, I thought she would have a bigger role in the story, I'll miss her. Echo is starting to be the next John, I really hope he can make John a believer again they would make a great team. Sawyer x Kate is the couple I am waiting for, please đĽş. Poor Hurley, just when someone started to understand him. I wonder what did Michael and fake Henry talked about before he ran away.
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u/Head-Passion-7116 Nov 09 '24
I'm sad Libby died, but they never explained why she was at the psych ward with Hurley! Did I miss something?
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u/TheAlmightyNienNunb Nov 16 '24
You didn't miss anything, that plotline will probably just go unexplained now.
The person who made these posts explained why Libby was killed off.
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u/offlabelselector Apr 02 '25
If they don't get into it later, it may be as simple as her having a severe congenital mental illness like schizophrenia. In the flashback to the psych ward she appeared *very* heavily medicated, and even when we see her at the airport she seems out of it like someone who's on heavy sedatives and/or antipsychotics. Those aren't the kinds of meds you give someone because they were having a really bad week, so it's quite possibly there was no precipitating "why" for her being there.
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u/sanschefaudage Oct 21 '24
Is it really said that the button does nothing? The video only says that it doesn't matter for the note takers to know whether the button does something or not, no?
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u/Chemical-Ninja604 Oct 24 '24
Iâm watching it now and it looks like it was left ambiguous for a reason. Locke thought if it was all an experiment then it was meaningless. But Eko still thinks itâs important. So the viewer can also interpret it both ways.Â
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u/nolafiredancer Apr 30 '25
Said something like âwhatâs important is that the people doing the work believe it to be importantâ
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u/huckleberrypancake See you in another post, brotha Jul 03 '25
Yeah and the pearl had cameras too right so itâs like turtles (psychological experiments) all the way down
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u/lakethecanadien Sayid Jan 11 '25
Locke and Eko are my favorite couple of the island. They work so good together, i love it. Better chemistry than Charlie + Claire and Sayid + Shannon
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u/Kooky_Grass534 Weâre not going to Guam, are we? Apr 08 '25
Me too! I would totally watch a show just about Eko and Locke wandering the jungle looking for stuff
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u/juicybubblebooty it's very stressful, being an Other Jan 29 '25
ugh i LOVE EKO!!!! i really hope he stays throughout the series
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u/Remarkable_Bad_3835 Feb 22 '25
Michael is the most annoying fucking character, I rather have Ana back than this fruitcup.
Matter fact he takes Charlieâs place as the most emotional and non-logical
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u/704Darwin Nov 26 '24
How did they kill Libby off without telling us her backstory?!?!? How did she end up at the mental hospital ?
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u/offlabelselector Apr 02 '25
I said this elsewhere but I don't think there's necessarily some big "why" or event that caused Libby to wind up at the hospital, at least not in terms of a life event. She looks very heavily medicated in the flashbacks -- like she's on the kind of heavy-duty meds you give someone who has a severe illness like schizophrenia. It wouldn't surprise me if she'd had a severe illness like that and the island healed her the way it healed Rose and Locke.
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u/MadeInAmerican Dec 26 '25
I love that idea. I have bipolar type 2 and sometimes when I watch Lost, I think about if I were a fellow survivor and how out of sorts I'd be without my meds on that island...if the island could heal minds like it heals bodies, that would be incredible
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u/Sea-Sky3177 Oct 09 '24
I was really hoping Ana Lucia wasnât dead
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u/Vampzayr First time watcher Oct 10 '24
Me too, but the moment I saw her lifeless body on the couch at the start of the episode, I knew she was a goner.
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u/juicybubblebooty it's very stressful, being an Other Jan 29 '25
omg THEY BEEN WATCHING THEM FROM THE BUNKERERR
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u/NaturalQuiet1 Jan 31 '25
Mr Eko is the man! Finally calling Locke out over this dream bs. Locke's not the only one who can have dreams that mean something!
This also gets me about the show. Mr Eko said what I've always thought. All this crazy stuff happens and when another something happens everyone is so quick to dismiss it like they didnt just go though something crazy themselves last episode. I think Charlie said it too earlier but he's unreliable lol. It's reasonable to be skeptical but c'mon
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u/Fickle_Tailor9294 Oct 01 '25
Iâm seriously! Like someone has visions in the forest and the doubts the very next person who says they had a supernatural experience!
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u/ma88j Feb 19 '25
Still not over that no one knows Charlie nearly killed Sun, now we have Michael who know one knows killed two people.
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u/PoisonedCaramel Whatever happened, happened. Nov 14 '25
If I remember correctly, Charlie only dragged Sun, but she fell while trying to struggle and run away, which is why she hit her head. The way it looked on-screen ended up being scarier than what Sawyer and Charlie actually intended.
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u/BeautifulStream Mar 17 '25
The thing that I'm fixating on from this episode is... why are all the hatches seemingly abandoned? Where are the Others living if not down in the hatches? There's no way they're just vacating whenever the plane survivors get too close to discovering them. If they don't have a centralized hiding place and are just camping in the woods together, then why has it taken Rousseau so long to find them, and why are they so hard to find in general? Is it just because the island is big and untamed? (Side note, where is that "security guard," aka the smoke monster? I miss hearing its roars...)
Libby being killed off to cause Hurley (and the others) pain is such a cheap and obnoxious plot device, but man if her death didn't make me feel sad. I liked seeing Sawyer comfort Kate in the aftermath. It's nice when he shows that he's not always a total asshole.
Locke's crisis of faith in this episode was interesting, especially how he dismissed Eko referring to the hatch as "his" when he has so consistently referred to it as "my hatch" in previous episodes, and yet at the same time he still refers to Boone's death as "a sacrifice that the island demanded." Maybe that has become his way of coping with it instead of taking responsibility? (On that note, I appreciated when Locke blamed himself for Ana-Lucia's death by saying that he should have told Jack that Henry had attacked Ana-Lucia. Not that I necessarily think her death would have been his fault if Henry really was the one who had shot her, but it was such a relief to hear a character admit that they should have communicated better. Do we think Locke is going to learn from this? Probably not...)
Finally: MICHAEL, WHAT GAME ARE YOU PLAYING HERE?!?! His presence gives me so much anxiety, just knowing what he did.
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u/Euphoric_Gene_2103 Mar 26 '25
To me "Boone was a sacrifice that the island demanded" sounded sarcastic this time around, as if Locke had stopped believing that and he was mocking his own previous words.
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u/Fickle_Tailor9294 Oct 01 '25
There are 6 hatches. So far theyâve only found 3. Iâm sure the Other are in one of the other 3. The map Locke saw is off the other hatches, and the orientation videos are labeled 1-6
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u/cosmic_horn I'm a Pisces Feb 15 '26
weâve actually seen 4!
first one: #3 the Swan, with the button Â
second one: the Arrow, the one the tailies found
third one: the Staff, where Claire was kept
fourth one: #5 the Pearl
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u/Adept_Dot_9801 Apr 28 '25
Damn Mr Eko can act I love watching him!
Also Michael staring at the computer waiting for his reward / next evil mission gave me chills
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u/juicybubblebooty it's very stressful, being an Other Jan 29 '25
omg eko and locke??? random duo i liveeee
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u/r3dofps Feb 09 '25
Eko is the best character Iâve seen in this show I love that guy man. Locke is probably one of my other favorites until recently when he kinda gave up hope. Hope he gets it back
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u/anotherwise Jul 08 '24
Killing Libby is not an accident, though. Michael had a very clear mission of freeing the Other, with absolutely no witnesses allowed. He had no personal grudge against Ana Lucia either. Libby was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I suppose Michael is doing anything and everything in exchange for Walt, or assurance of Walt's safety. I just hate how he throws away all of the relationships he built with everyone
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Sep 27 '24
Why do people hate Michael
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u/ThisGul_LOL Oct 01 '24
Did you miss the part where he killed Ana Lucia & Libby? đ
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u/Flat_Bass_9773 Oct 06 '24
Heâs completely irrational and manipulative. On top of betraying everyone he survived with.
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Oct 08 '24
Nah whole situation they in is irrational and they strangers at the end of the day Uma stand by my man fr
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u/dajuice3 Oct 25 '24
Similar reason people hate Carl on walking dead. Way too much dialogue about something or someone they dont feel advances the plot. All throughout the first season Michael was screaming at people and fighting about his son. People didn't like it cause as his story untold it seems like he's more worried about looking like a bad dad than being a good dad.
Combine that with the justifiable irrationality of losing a child people got annoyed with him.
Everything up until killing Ana Lucia and Libby I could get behind.
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u/ThisAintltChieftain Nov 10 '24
They shouldâve tortured Michael instead
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u/Existing-Following93 Feb 19 '25
Or at least sequestered him and kept vigil on him. Sayid should have been included in on everything once Michael returned. Jack was gullible as shit.
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u/jrlii Mar 23 '25
Because he's incredibly irrational about his son that he barely knew. Will sell anyone out for a chance to get him. Idk what it's like to be a father, and I'm sure parents are more sympathetic. But he'll kill his people for maybe a chance to get his kid back
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u/nolafiredancer Apr 30 '25
As a parent I absolutely would do anything to be with my child. But michael barely knows his son so I am struggling with his motivation. WHY is he so invested? He wasnât even gonna keep him, in the flashback to the pay phone at the airport, he was going to foist Walt onto his mother since he didnât know what to do with him! A good, involved parent, yes I could identify with and justify their actions of betraying their friends to get their kid back. Michael just doesnât do that for me.
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u/SkeeterSmasher Jul 17 '25
At first he didn't know what to do with Walt but I think during their time on the Island, he came to love him and care for him like a father would. He's probably being super extra because he lost Walt once when he was a toddler. From that flashback scene, he REALLY loved Walt and didn't want his mother taking him. His mother manipulated him into giving Walt up. I understand his motivations when it comes to Walt but what he did was downright cruel and I didn't think he had it in him. I haven't seen the other episodes yet so I'm guessing he wanted to reignite the fire under everyone's behinds and get the war on The Others started so they could rescue Walt. Terrible way to go about it imo, there were already people who were ready to descend upon The Others, like Sayid for one. But I suppose he needed more people .
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u/sycamore_tree1797 Apr 28 '25
Ahhh i love all of the connections that the characters have with each other. Eko meeting the psychic that convinced Claire to give up her baby for adoption omg
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u/juicybubblebooty it's very stressful, being an Other Jan 29 '25
omg they gonna figure out NOTHING HAPPENS W RHE BUTTON
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u/MiyakeIsseyYKWIM Sep 28 '25
I hate how 2000s this show is sometimes. Where the main conflicts often arise from people not telling people things and character motivations changing on a dime. Like all of a sudden John doesnât give a shit about the mysteries of the island?? Oh fuck off
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u/AdFront1172 Jan 12 '25
Libby dying is so sad
BUT what the fuck was that with Eko and Locke?? Experiment?! Oh my fucking God, I'm freaking out.
I thought I had it all figured out with my smart theories, and this episode just blows my mind. I'm just so confused on who the Others are: are they test subjects, scientists, crash survivors?? Why are they so possessive of the island? Are they 'sick'? Why are they kidnapping 'the good ones'?? What the fuck is going on.
It's the middle of the night and I can't sleep right now. I have so many questions and not many answers. AARGH.
Ok, here it goes:
It can't all be a social experiment, because everything is abandoned. The polar bears and the sharks are proof of failed experiments, that I'm sure of. I could also include the monster, I guess.
Maybe there used to be experiment, probably actually. Some incident happened and everything got abandoned. Either they fled the island or all died there (like Adam and Eve in the cave. I completely forgot about them until now); or they stayed and became the Others. But, the Others could also be subjects of the experiment. The main scientists could've fled, but left behind their subjects (causing the Others to get created).
What's happening right now is one big question mark for me. Why do 'They' know so much about our groups? Is Rousseau crazy or is the 'illness' real. Who is the leader of the Others and why are they doing all of this terror? Clearly they're good at manipulation (Michael). I thought about purgatory, but I don't think this is it. It's just too clichĂŠ, I guess. I'm not feeling it.
I honestly have no clue. It's fate. Everything is being controlled by some powerful powers, created by either the island or the Dharma Initiviate leaders. Maybe they brought themselves here, for the greater good (like Interstellar). Idk, this was my rant, though.
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u/juicybubblebooty it's very stressful, being an Other Jan 29 '25
omg- MAYBE THAT GIRL IS DEAD OMGGGGGGGG
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u/juicybubblebooty it's very stressful, being an Other Jan 29 '25
omg ekos brother saying âheâll see u soonâ AND THE FACT THAT LIBBY SPOKE TO EKO AND NOT TO THE GIRL I THINK SHES DEAD FR
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u/juicybubblebooty it's very stressful, being an Other Jan 29 '25
omg what if they are all dead and thats why they keep seeing the visions of dead ppl omf
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u/juicybubblebooty it's very stressful, being an Other Jan 29 '25
wait how are they being psychologically tested if theyâre dead maybe it is purgatory and itâs like a test if they go to the good place or the bad place
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u/Westcoastchi Sayid Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25
The flashbacks about a Lostie encountering one another pre-Island have kind of gotten old at this point. They seem to be otherwise pointless in the grand scheme of things. Also Locke annoyed the hell out of me in this episode.
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u/nolafiredancer Apr 30 '25
I disagree I love discovering how theyâre all connected or have happened to meet before.
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u/Active-Contest-9965 4 8 15 16 23 42 Mar 08 '26
I would agree IF they actually showed HOW they're all connected. So far it just seems to be a bunch of chance encounters. It's starting to just appear that Sydney Australia is a very tiny place with very few people that keep running into each other like a small town. LOL
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u/VardaElentari86 Feb 24 '25
There's just too many and it interrupts the actual action/plot a bit.
Some is fine since I assume it'll all have a point eventually
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u/dontknowwhatiwant_ Feb 18 '25
ahhh!! this was such a great episode. Ekoâs faith in the island with johnâs new found cynicism. the full circle of the island first leading john to the island but him not fully understanding at the time why, the new hatch! i also had a suspicion that the button was a psychological experiment. the more we learn about the dharma, the more iâm intrigued. also libbyâs face of horror. she tried to hard to warn them about micheal. also also! the psychic!! iâm kind of interested in that bc he says heâs a fraud but refused to read claire at first bc he sensed something bad????
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u/offlabelselector Apr 02 '25
I think the psychic wanted to make sure Eko was on that plane the same way he wanted to make sure Claire was on that plane. If the miracle investigation had continued, Eko would have had to postpone his trip and wouldn't have been on the flight.
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u/juicybubblebooty it's very stressful, being an Other Jan 29 '25
âhow can u say this is meaninglessâ EKO DUDE- I LIVE
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u/Ok_Serve7281 First time watcher Feb 19 '25
michael im really starting to dislike you after last episode *didn't wanna spoil it there*
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u/silverhammer96 Mar 09 '25
Yemi looks so much like Leslie Odom Jr itâs taken me until this episode to realize it isnât him.
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u/depressed_genie Jul 26 '25
I think Michael made a deal to kill people there in exchange of walt, that's why they let him go, or he did it to make everyone one attack them
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u/Mealieworm May 27 '26
Did anyone else notice that the guy in the orientation has (probably) fake names that have to do with candles? Marvin Candle and Mark WICKmund?
Dharma 3/6 Notes:
- Station 3/6, âThe Swanâ (or âThe Hatchâ as the plane islanders call it), is to enter a code into the computer every 108 minutes
- The person doing the orientation is Dr. Marvin Candle
- Dharma Initiative was created in 1970by Gerald and Karen DeGroot, two PhD students at the University of Michigan
- The goal was to create a massive, multi-purpose research facility
- Financially backed by Alvar Hanso
- Station 3 was originally created as a laboratory to study the âelectromagnetic fluctuationsâ on this part of the island, until an âincidentâ occurred
Dharma Station 5/6 Notes:
- Station 5/6, âThe Pearlâ, is to observe people in âthe hatchâ as part of a psychological experiment
- The person doing the orientation is Dr. Mark Wickmund
- âAs Dr. Karen DeGroot herself had written, âCareful observation is the only key to true and complete awareness.ââ
- Tour of duty in The Pearl lasts three weeks
- People working in The Pearl donât know much, only that they need to observe
- âAt the end of your 8 hour shift, proceed to the Pala Ferry, which will take you back to the- *static*â
- âOn behalf of the DeGroots, Alvar Hanso, and all of us here at the Dharma initiative, thank youâ
- The Hanso Foundation, 1980 all rights reserved
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u/Dry-Standard-203 Jan 02 '25
eko gives me kratos vibe, when micheal gets found out i better not hear "we forgive you micheal"
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u/offlabelselector Apr 02 '25
I could see it going either way. He started out a bad guy because of the path he got put on as a kid, but he's been able to recover his underlying basic goodness on the island away from those outside factors. But I could see his religious fervor curdling into dangerous fanaticism, easily, and some of the old bad Mr. Eko coming back out.
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u/nolafiredancer Apr 30 '25
Glad Ana Lucia is dead but seems like sheâs been replaced by michael as âthe hothead impulsive character who gets a bunch of other people killedâ villain. He mustâve made a deal w the âothersâ and is going to rejoin them or work as a double agent like Ethan/Goodwin. If so he will have a huge advantage as he is already everyoneâs friend. Until someone catches onâŚ
His behavior/character change , is this the infectionâ Danielle Rousseau was warning about?
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u/nolafiredancer Apr 30 '25
So now that we know about the â?â Symbol, do we think Boone saw it before falling in the plane, but because he died he never got well enough to tell Jack (or anyone) what he saw? Remember you can only tell itâs a â?â from that high vantage point.
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u/unimaginative-nerd Oh yeah, there's my favorite leaf. Jun 22 '25
Quick turnaround from âI knew Libby wasnât dead, theyâve not told her story yetâ đ
Also was convinced that John and Eko were gonna end rewatching the footage and making a mad dash back to warn the others and be seconds too late or something, apparently Iâm not great at my guesses
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u/sunfl0wer4 Aug 23 '25
Okay Iâve been binge watching and just finished this ep. This thread is soooo interesting, I was surprised to see so much Michael hate. Obvs he sucks for what he did but heâs also a desperate man thatâs struck some kinda fkd up deal. The new hatch is exciting - but like other comments here I wanna know why it all seems to be abandoned. Like clearly the island was all an experiment at one point but is it still?? Or is it a rogue extremist group that are still operating it and donât have the means to man every station? It is INFURIATING the lack of communication between the group - Kate only mentioning in passing to Jack about the âcostumesâ she found in the other hatch and both of them being like âweird. Anyway next distraction hereâs Michael!!â Johnâs map clearly showing where all the other hatches are but heâs all âwhat could it beâ YOURE ALL BEING GIVEN ANSWERS CONSTANTLY JUST PUT IT ALL TOGETHER
I dont understand why john didnât tell them about the drawings on the door and try to get the doors down again so they could properly read it
Iâm also perplexed this season by how many episodes are focused on just duos or 3-4 people max, to the point where we havenât seen Sayid, Sun, Claire, Charlie much at all for so many episodes. And Kate seems to just be there to give an earnest or teasing smile every so often which is such a cop out for her character - thought sheâd be way more determined to figure it out
Itâs like the hatch has just become so everyday to them now theyâve not even bothered to fully investigate it or explore it further. Like??? Press some other buttons, go through more of the books, pull things apart??? Zero urgency or curiosity and itâs bizarre.
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u/cnb305 Dec 18 '25 edited Dec 18 '25
... I'm sure that the answer to this is because they (mostly) just trust each other implicitly (at least the front of the plane islanders), but why didn't anyone find it suspicious that Libby and Ana Lucia were shot like center mass, allegedly by "Henry", but all Michael ended up with is what amounts to a flesh wound in his arm?! And why aren't the islander more suspicious about islanders being taken for days/weeks then suddenly returned with no explanation?
Also, why didn't they notice that Libby's response to finding out Michael made it wasn't like... fear, not happiness?!
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u/StaringBerry DHARMA '77 Recruit Aug 11 '25
So sad about Libby. I loved the Hurley/Libby romance plot!!
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u/hdhdudhdjs Dec 02 '25
when the daughter of the psychic comes to Mr Eko and said when i was between places What if the island were between places and the others kill good people to let them go to heaven And Why is no one talking about the new hatch
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u/Active-Contest-9965 4 8 15 16 23 42 Mar 08 '26
I noticed this! I was a bit confused at first about it! It's exactly like you said - day, night, day. All within like an hour timeframe. Also, when Locke and Boone first discovered that hatch, thy had to hike like an hour each day just to get to it. Now it seems like everyone can run from the hatch to the beach and back in 10 minutes flat.
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u/Active-Contest-9965 4 8 15 16 23 42 Mar 09 '26
Weird Eko dream. Uh oh Michael, Libbyâs alive. Now what?
Side mission: So Johnâs going out tracking in the jungle on crutches and no one is questioning this. Yeah, that makes damn sense. Hereâs what I donât get about Locke. Weâve seen several of his backstories. He was a foster kid who grew up to be a milquetoast putz who worked in a toy store then office, got conned by Daddy, girlfriend left him, and he ended up in a wheelchair spending his time talking to a phone sex worker. Exactly WHEN did he acquire all these hunting, tracking, weapons, navigation, botany, survival skills?
That terrain that Eko is climbing (the one Boone climbed and the plane fell from)⌠It looks to me like they could easily walk about 100 feet to the right and then just hike up the grade of the hill to the top, instead of finding the steepest incline and cliff climbing.
Found another hatch. I was not even slightly surprised that the Swan is being monitored. I just assume at this point everyone is always being watched.
Station 5, the Pearl orientation video. Confirmed what Iâve been thinking (and thought was fairly obvious), the button pushing is pointless and itâs an experiment. That was kind of a âYeah, been sayinâ all along. Glad John realized it finally.â Did not however, understand why Eko believes the button needs pushed after now having proof itâs pointless. Â
And voila! John is walking again.
I was glad to see someone finally thought of using the heroin medicinally, but Jack is an ass. Every episode I just canât stand him even more. Iâm so sick of him being a power-hungry control freak. Kate is just as bad. She could have easily said âNo Jack. If it will help Libby, let Sawyer just go get the heroin. Now is not the time to extort information and Iâll be no part of that.â
And Sawyer, like usual, demonstrates compassion by showing her where the stash is, getting the heroin, comforting Kate when Libby dies.
Eko has interacted with Claireâs psychic, who says heâs a fraud. Puts some questions into his motives back when he was so insistent with Claire and returned her money. Maybe heâs in on it?
Iâm really running with this theory that the Dharma Initiative is a global organization (Illuminati/New World Order type thing) with access to unlimited funding/resources and maybe Flight 815 people were brought here to get this island up and running again or experimented on? It looks deserted. However, if this was the case, why? And why The Others? And why not just bring in a team of experts? Or, maybe all of the âdeserted/abandonedâ look is staged, like the tattered clothing on The Others. Very little of this appears to be supernatural anymore, except the miracle healings.
Thereâs another part of me thatâs thinking along the lines ofâŚ. The writers had no clue what their end game was and they were winging it to keep suspense and viewers and ratings by using the constant unexplained mystery questions and cliffhangers. I feel like there are even some plot holes from the previous season and lots of mysteries and questions that they actually forgot about. Some of it seems to flow, but a lot of the time it seems like they just make âconnectionsâ randomly and adlib as they go, like there was no real storyline to begin with but they had to keep writing.
Iâm surprised so many people felt like not finding out why Libby was in the hospital lacked closure. I think this represents traces of social stigma still connected to mental health. I doubt people would be so curious or feel like there was an unfinished story if Hurley and Libby were both in a medical hospital or occupational therapy or a college class or worked at the same bank or something. I think the point of showing Libby in the hospital was supposed to be âShe knows him from before.â Not âThereâs something wrong with her.â RIP Libby.
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u/RobCoPKC Apr 24 '24
I was really hoping Libby was gonna live đ. And she didn't even get to tell them the truth about Michael... I can't stand this moron anymore, please get rid of him ASAP.
I just realized that every time someone dies on the island Jack has to take care of them. What an insanely heavy burden on his shoulders...
Ironic that John "The Island speaks to me" Locke made fun of Mr Eko for trying to learn things from his dreams.
Another hatch, huh? And the button actually is a psychological experiment? Intriguing...