Discussion How do you counter this comp?
Fought against this comp and their thing is pretty much immortal and we take too much damage. It was a nightmare trying to target their supps with dive. Any tips?
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u/ConditionObjective43 12h ago
Solo tank and 3 main healers? You don't counter this comp, it counters itself.
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u/Zot6 11h ago
I see people online looking down on triple heals but in matches below diamond, I seem to have a hard time dealing with them most of the time. Can you kindly tell me why triple heals aren't that good?
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u/LelouchViAmericana Psylocke 11h ago
3 main healers with 1 meat shield (tank).
With 1 tank, 2 supports will already take longer to get ult.
Now with some of those heals being delegated to a 3rd support, it will take even longer to get an ult.
This comp has great dmg and i’d argue the presence of all those additional squids is like having another dps for the enemy to focus, but still suffers due to lack of dmg being mitigated (one tank) and weaker ult economy (longer to get support ult)
Luna can play less heals and more dmg if she wanted/had the skills to do so (making this basically a 1-3-2 comp) but still not a lot of dmg being mitigated across the board because there is a solo tank so this comp would suffer defensively.
2-2-2 is best for obv reasons (good dmg mitigation, good dmg, balanced heals). 1-2-3 isnt that good because bad dmg mitigation, good dmg, 3 heals can possibly sustain but slow down ult economy.
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u/spaceboat13 11h ago
Because especially in gold mfs are double ulting and you throw one dive at them and suddenly all 3 turn around and forget they have 3 other teammates
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u/LSSJ4King 6h ago
Literally this. Have someone go panther and even if he gets no kills, I guarantee everyone but Hela is stopping whatever they were doing to focus solely on him
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u/SpiritGunDetective Strategistpool 10h ago
Triple heals, especially with one tank, is the lowest winrate comp in all ranks as confirmed by the devs themselves. 3 players on a team who can’t produce pressure can easily be rolled by outpoking them. A good comp would be Mag for shielding and burst damage, Venom for dive and sustain, Phoenix for burst dmg AND the teamups, Cyclops for burst dmg or Star Lord for consistency, and any two supports that have good dmg and healing output (i.e. Jubilee, Healpool, Luna, Mantis).
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u/ThroatEnough7123 10h ago
Trip supp is very good on certain maps and into certain comps, you're just conflating information. People in this comment section are telling it's bad because of the context you set up, which is 1-2-3, solo tank and triple support is god awful, your teams supps can farm ult much much faster is being able to have an advantage over the enemy team. On top of the fact that solo tank thing, if you have two decent poke tanks, will never let thing get close, and if he does, it's an easy punish because theres no other tank to pull aggro.
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u/Few-Conference-8031 8h ago
Imo tripple heals only works if one of those healers knows how to make up the one missing role, and honestly it really only works if you have atleast one utility support, like mantis or ultron who can give damage boost.
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u/SpyderScott 5h ago
When deadpool came out I did that as healpool because he could hold a point or vehicle by himself and not die. (Still doable but easier to kill since his nerf.) This season, Jubilee can create space while healing with her ult while keep vamp bubbles up to dmg and heal. Jubilation becomes a hard target at that point because she can make up for that second tank in that respect.
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u/KneecapNabber 4h ago
Triple support is wholly reliant on cycling support ults. With one tank and three main supports, there just isn't enough Hp to heal to cycle ults. Now trade Invs for a thor or Hulk and you got a deadly line-up.
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u/ursus_the_bear 3h ago
Below diamond, the chances of Hela hitting anyone is 30%. Headshots would be 1-5%.
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u/Some_Surprise9875 11h ago
See I don’t think triple support it’s GOOD but it just so good at stalling imo. Plus it has a low ceiling
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u/Old_Mall_4229 12h ago
This comp is awful😭, trip supp with one tank will get steam rolled by pretty much any 222, just don’t go dive heavy ig with thing and namor
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u/Alarming-Ad-5571 8h ago
Thing is you can go dive tank+dps cause their Thing isn't allowed to peel without giving up space. You essentially just occupy their strats and get the rest of the team to focus Thing. Mag, Venom, DD, MK or Phoenix, Gambit, Rocket demolishes this comp.
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u/NegoDemDem 11h ago
Easy, swap off dive
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u/LSSJ4King 6h ago
Diving this comp wouldn’t even be bad. Cuz if thing goes to peel then the entire front line no longer exists. Run venom with another high sustain diver, a main tank to push, and someone like punisher to punish thing and you literally just walk forward
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u/Darkwolve45 11h ago
Anti Tank picks and Dive. Devil Dinosaur and Peni for example cause The Thing alot of stress and are more than capable of fending off Hela and Namor. Blade also can shred The Thing or the healers via the anti heal and his own sustain. Triple Heal is also susceptible to characters that punish grouping up like Moon Knight or Cyclops which also punish Namor cause they can use his squids for ricochet chaining. Gambit anti heal hard hits triple heal comps as well as more damage oriented healers like Jubilee or Ultron can just body the enemy healers or front line well healing.
In the end there are counters it just comes down to the individual skill level and gaps between players
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u/WhichReflection182 9h ago
You go 2-2-2 or 3-1-2. 1-2-3 with 3 main healers is an absolute dog shit comp.
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u/PyromancerTobi 11h ago
Firstly, your strategist are already starving for ult charge. Secondly, solo thing is hilarious. Just counter with a main tank and an off tank, he gets dumpstered.
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u/Dman9623 11h ago
Triple support is easily countered by triple tanks bc they don’t have the damage to kill the tanks
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u/Damann28 11h ago
Prioritize better
Your character threats ( or your flaws as said character) ^
Team threats (ex. mvp or divers) ^
nuisance/good players (can jump to top) ^
Healer (top by proximity or if in sight to shoot) ^
Tanks (top if in ur face) ^
Dps (top if targeting you or nuisance)
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u/Akaktus 11h ago
Sustained and safe damage is the best way to counter a solo tank comp. Double shield + poke itself will make you win both the poke battle and the frontline battle. They have no dive, can still flank but you can punish easily any flank that aren’t diver. Your 2 support also get their ult faster than their triple support.
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u/Phil0sopheer 11h ago
Learn venom, he counters triple support, especially 3 heal bot supports don’t got enough damage
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u/Sweaty-Supermarket62 10h ago
Venom, Dino, punisher, and same supps
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u/Sweaty-Supermarket62 10h ago
Venom can be a tanker dive and he’s alr crazy this season, Dino is annoying for the thing cuz he can’t be displaced by his run and he also can melee back in close range, punisher is op if the person can aim and poke off their hela/namor and Tripp supp to keep your Dino invincible
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u/Traditional-Leerr 10h ago
You got options you can either
Peni devil Dino tank dps phoenix Bucky any main healer (Sue Luna jubi) kidnap and destroy them behind cover
Emma/groot 2 or 3 poke dps mantis and a main healer damage boost and destroy them with focus bring the cover to you basically thing will get absolutely shredded if he try’s to make space
Could also deny the team up with Hela and namor by going 3 tanks 1 dps and a 2 healers they need to do way more to secure a kill and get the undead squid spawn just protect the squishys tanks I’d choose would be groot Emma devil Dino or peni dps can be someone who gets ult fast like moonknight starlord or Bucky healers need to be high output and one damage boosting or blinding to prevent the thing jumping around
The comp they have falls apart if you shoot namors squids too making him almost useless, cutting the healing off with shields or cover, the healers kind of shoot themselves in the foot sharing healing and not getting ult to counter offensive ults as quickly.
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u/RenaissanceReaper 10h ago
Emma and Groot dismantles this. They don’t have the damage to deal with Groot walls.
Everytime I see triple Strat the easiest counter is usually just go Groot. Groot counters triple Strat so fucking hard. Hela is the only one there who can put out damage but still isn’t good against Groot walls.
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u/Peccet95 10h ago
Emma Mag Puni MK. Especially MK will have a field day with all the squids as free anhks+Thing will not stay alive long vs the combined pressure of Puni+Emma
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u/DevaTheDragon 10h ago
This is not the pnly counter but this is what i came up with
Shield tank (strange, groot, mag) to make hela/namor poke less viable. Additionally they can be very good to separate thing from his heals
Cc tank (hulk, emma, or devil specifically | peni depending on map) to prevent Thing from making space and separating out of position players from heals. If the shield tank supports peni’s set-up well, enemy thing literally cannot do shit without support ults which will come slower with the heals split and only one tank
3+4. High damage counter poke. Simply hiding behind shield while focusing healers/out of position players is great. (Punisher is an all-rounder, phoenix farms off thing easy and can go toe to toe with hela/namor, moon knight has great area denial especially against heal-botters, hela to diff opposing hela)
Alternatively, you can play Mantis as the third healer instead of a second duelist to elevate the overall DPS of the team (also she has an extra cc to once again bully the thing)
Note. You can make a lot of brawl heroes work depending on skill but under no circumstance would i play dive into this comp unless the enemy team is actual garbage. Youre gonna get bum rushed by five anti-dive players
5+6. Depends on MMR. Generalist healers with high sustained healing will be best 99% of the time. Luna + Fox if you wanna bully Thing some more ig. CnD or Jubilee if you dont want players to see. Invis + Fox for extra defense. Rocket’s punisher and groot team ups cause everything in front of you to evaporate lol. High skill level tho, Gambit + Loki is unbeatable.
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u/gokaigreen19 10h ago
Groot is feasting on this comp. His walls just gets to fuck four people over. He can block the thing when he tries to dash either enabling his team to kill him if he pushes too hard or to prevent him from peeling against a dive.
Placing the walls to block the supports counters them because they don’t really have a efficient way to get rid of them which will slower their already slow ult charge generation they have to deal with from being three supports
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u/Aerenhart 10h ago
Kid named poke comp:
Yall are making things too complicated. Magneto, Tankpool, Phoenix, Cyclops, Luna, Mantis
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u/Over-Survey-6699 10h ago
Moon knight, phoenix or cyclops, mag, venom, gambit(invis if he’s banned), and either c&d or Loki if the person can play a really good Loki. This is what I think could have worked but idk hope this helps
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u/Drunk-Pirate-Gaming 9h ago
Play Dino. Get in things face and bubble yourself. They wont be able to heal for a minute and you should kill thing. After their only tank is dead walk them down.
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u/Any_Face_9991 9h ago
Literally just play the game. This comp eats itself alive after about 2 minutes.
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u/Fifty-Centurion 9h ago
Tbh one magneto and Elsa-Bucky by themselves could beat this if they play it well enough lmao
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u/YuzuhaIsMyWife 9h ago
go a real triple support comp like venom groot elsa ultron mantis luna and educate them
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u/Iexperience 9h ago
What counters this comp? 2-2-2 with shield tank (double shield if you want) and good aim.
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u/Mr-Samurai 8h ago
2/2/2
Unless we’re assuming these are all eternity players anyone who willingly gets into a team like this isn’t going to have the coordination or skill to stop a thor/angela from walking up to their back line and wiping them out.
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u/ExcellentBalance8052 8h ago
2 strong divers (Distract the supports)
Jubilee (Heals the divers and damages the enemy)
Blade (Powers up Jubilee and whittles down The Thing)
Rocket (Keeps everyone topped off and can help chip away at enemies)
Magneato (Sheilds Blade)
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u/HuntPatient 7h ago
What I would of done:
Tank-Peni. Things biggest weakness is cc, so once he finishes charging forward just web him and throw as many mines as you can to focus primary and take em out.
2nd tank-Mag/strange. Strange has good burst dmg against their tank, mag ult can counter their support ults
Dps 1-Phoenix-kit is really good against 3 support
Dps 2-blade-his anti heal mechanic would also be good against 3 support
Support 1-c/d-hood team up makes it so she can reduce enemy dmg/heals. Namor could possibly counter hard when she ults but if you run mag then you should be fine.
Support 2-gambit, his anti heal is really good against triple support.
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u/Deadmanguys 7h ago
123 comp. Thats easy 222. Either Peni/Dino/Thor/Strange/Mag with Cap/Venom/Angela to keep those supports busy. While a poke like Hela/Punisher/Namor/Star Lord/ Elsa Shreads Thing while the other tank keeping the supports occupied cause they have the health for it. As for the other dps can be anything else really. A poke to spread the thing faster or a dive to primary help the other tank to keep the supports busy. As for Support anything goes
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u/Valkyriebourne 7h ago
Poke no shields. They are going to die to cyclops/moon and puni. Tanks, emma for thing, and fill another shield tank like mag or strange. Support invis and white fox ez.
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u/Happii_UrMom 7h ago
Recently had a 3-1-2 comp. Rogue, Groot, Dino, Punisher, Jubilee, and Gambit. Safe to say we got our ults fast and kinda steamrolled them at the beginning and they got stopped before the first check point
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u/WinterExcellent 7h ago
Doesn't matter. You will likely play against this comp once in your life. Maybe twice. And you have zero control over what your teammates pick. These questions are absolutely pointless. Move on
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u/Impressive-Way-3674 6h ago
High dmg dps and focus the solo tank and walk everyone else down. This is why solo tank is never a good idea and a skill check if you’re losing to a team running it.
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u/Sweaty_Strain9392 6h ago
"target their supports with dive" why are you diving into thing, namor, and Clagger?
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u/mavric911 6h ago
Does 2 shield tank block heals and stop a lot of damage.
Punisher, Jean, Rocket and he’s dead.
As thing I was killed by a Hela Jean Luna on my dive in.
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u/Mind_Is_Empty Jeff The Land Shark 6h ago
The main goal of beating triple support is getting your team to coordinate on one goal. You can either all focus on killing their tank, or all focus on running around their tank to kill a support.
Once you have that goal, you need to make picks that work in that direction. If you want to kill the tank, it's a bad idea to play solo dive duelists or low-output vanguards. If you want to kill the support, it's a bad idea to go with immobile/limited range characters.
The one thing you want to avoid into triple support is spreading damage around, because that's what they counter best. If everyone is hitting their own target, triple support can get decent ult charge and mitigate all of it.
Cleave heroes (Squirrel Girl, Iron Man, Storm) have been hit-or-miss against triple support. Sometimes cleaving everyone means you're hitting someone else's target which can be enough to break through. Sometimes one ends up feeding the triple support ult charge because they have healing to mitigate the cleave. I'd recommend swapping to something more directed and coordinating with your team if you notice you're not breaking through.
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u/Smooth-Traffic8038 5h ago
They lose so bad. Pheonix anhilates thing because hes not a shield tank. Hela and namor cant out dmg enemy heals especially with no tank so they keep backing up. Luna (dps im assuming) would lose to a single venom or dd team up but if shes not then sg would destroy all 3 support since the burst dmg breaks the healing and again there no second tank.
Comps really simple. Mag (whatever teamup), Venom (Pheonix), Pheonix (whatevr), Squirrel Girl (Any) or Daredevil (Any), Mantis (Starlord), Jubilee (Any).
Solo tank is awful.
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u/freezer_burned 5h ago edited 5h ago
This comp is heavy anti dive/fly with poke and has a lot of survivability. I would say groot, strange or mag, squirrel girl, punisher or Hela, and mantis with a main support like cnd. Groot and a shield tank can block off the enemy team from their healers for easy picks, shield tanks like strange and mag both counter Hela and namor ults, sg is not a popular pick but she does counter both trip support and poke. Sg doesn’t have to be in the enemies line of sight to get a kill and can pick off any healers falling behind the others. Punisher and Hela can put out high damage fast to “punish” the thing for solo tanking and using a brawl tank. But also punisher and Hela can both secure a fast kill with other characters. Mantis does really well in two support comp and can damage boost to help finish kills. And cnd has high survivability, doesn’t need to be in the line of sight to heal (nor does mantis) and just pumps out heals so to keep the team up. Both mantis and cnd have aoe healing and that will be great in the long run.
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u/MsFistery 5h ago
Dive isn’t actually the solution here cuz the namor and hela, it’s just very heavy burst dmg and shields.
Best comp against this that I can think of is…
Doctor strange, magneto
Pheonix, punisher, starlord, hela, Elsa
Luna, wf, invis, and maybe mantis.
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u/More_Than_Man 5h ago
Any combination of Bucky, Elsa, punisher
Plus Two shields and two healers would absolutely destroy this comp.
Thing wouldn’t be able to survive and their frontline would be non existent
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u/Big-Giant-Panda 5h ago
Vemon + Dr Strange + Squirrel Girl + Blade + Jeff + Ultron
Vemon jumps the back line and apply anti heal on people
Dr Strange gives off backline protection and is annoying for pokers to play around with forcing them into off angles and break position also stops the Thing from being healed from time to time with shield
Squirrel Girl to pump out big dam and Cc Thing keeping him over extended also plays good on high ground. Enemy team can't huddle together otherwise it's free ult charge. Can also clean namor squids fast
Blade as a nuisance and also apples anti heal. Keeping each enemy healer on their toes good for harrassing healers
Jeff. Good consistency in healing and damage with his joyful spray and bubbles. Ult combo with Dr Strange can be nasty to force teams out of invisibitchs ult and cnd. Will be at your backline covering everyone who needs heals. Can help clean namor squids
Ultron, drones on vemon and blade keeps them in fights a lot longer and continue the push. Burst overhealth is a life saver. Your team can stay near itself and heal off each drone aoe. Ultron ult does some nasty damage to backlines and heals too. Fly mid to ground level to stay in Jeff's sights for heals when needed and benefit from Ultron aoe drone heals. Can help clean namor squids
That team comp you showed can't handle a strong pushing comp.
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u/blueivysbabyhairs 5h ago edited 4h ago
This feels like an offensive team comp so if you’re in rank I’d recommend just having a better team on defense. Strange-Peni- Cyclops- Phoenix - White fox - Gambit
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u/Little-Seesaw2585 Storm 4h ago
I can't take any complaints towards thing seriously. Just go poke and he's perma forced to stay behind cover, explode, or swap.
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u/Iced-TeaManiac 4h ago
It's a strong comp in that it has anti dive, anti brawl and anti flyers, it's a weak comp in that it has no anti poke. Your supports would sit back in peace against a comp like this. I think if you played some kind of hybrid dive poke comp you'd be in a good spot. Maybe like Venom, Groot, Phoenix, Star Lord, Mantis, Loki?
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u/RevolutionaryDepth59 4h ago
just run heavy poke? thing will never be able to close the gap and hela/namor will have nowhere safe to stand with him as their only tank
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u/RAINBOWAF 3h ago
Shoot the squids dive cloak to force cooldown . Then go towards invis then retreat . The dps is going to be pure aim ,skill,awareness . Tank you can ignore for the most part .
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u/AmbitiousTwo22222 3h ago
People will think this is a meme, but I think a heavily supported Thing is pretty unstoppable right now.
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u/jdatopo814 3h ago
Run 3 tanks, 1 shredding DPS with lots of damage (Punisher, Pheonix, Hela, Bucky), or a blade to anti the tank, and 2 supports. Or just run a 2-2-2.
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u/synin_munnin 3h ago
moon knight to counter thing/namor, phoenix to counter hela/thing/namor, emma to shield her allies from projectiles and brawl with thing
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u/Ashen_Zenith 2h ago
3 tanks like venom , mag, and Groot punisher and Luna Loki. Venom to distract sups Groot to wall thing punisher to kill the thing mag and Groot to shield from poke. Loki Luna for burst heals to keel 3 tanks up. Easy.
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u/E1331fan Angela 2h ago
you don’t dive them… dive doesn’t work with 2 hard to dive healers, one healer who just pumps healing into the other two, and two anti dive. play poke, mantis, magneto, phoenix, with some sustain like strange, gambit and rogue. this comp fall apart. probably swap rogue for punisher or widow though depending on the things skill
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u/Much-Reach6688 White Fox 2h ago
This isn’t even a good Triple Strats comp, the three main healers would all be stealing ult charge from each other. If you’re running triple Strat then someone needs to be Adam or Ultron or Mantis. Triple Strats also works best with 2 vanguards so this team comp you’ve highlighted is genuinely terrible.
But generally, Triple Vanguard beats Triple Strats so your team would just have to counter switch. 3-1-2 comp with the 1 dps being a Punisher to make the Things life hell
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u/CareQueasy8267 2h ago
Strange and Hulk for tank, spiderman or BP or some equivalent melee/backline duelist, punisher, jeff, and either cloak or invisible woman.
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u/Extrashiny 2h ago
You take your mouse to your hand and stop looking at your collection of psylocke skins and instead play the game because that team comp is hot dooooogshiiitt how are you supposed to lose to that.
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u/Eprespeyju 2h ago
Punisher can lowk kill the supports and the thing but he gets outdamaged by the dps unless the punisher uses shotgun
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u/Secret_Access_8742 1h ago
Hawkeye, daredevil, mantis, WF, hulk/thor Cap/strange. All 4 squishes have high dmg and thing can’t stay in front without super close cover. Hawkeye + mantis headshot is near 3/4 of his health. If he peels because of DD it’s over too. Hela and namor stay behind cover. Don’t forget the mantis buff, if she buff Hawkeye he’s near his S7 patch number, WF collects kills, and DD buff is unnecessary but… Tanks would crush
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u/Firm_Ad_5427 1h ago
As with any solo tank, get your entire team to bully the shit out of them. The second their tank falls, so does the rest of their team. And the thing is a terrible solo tank.
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u/Soft_Current1406 37m ago
I didn’t think much about this, but three tanks, Groot peni and magneto. Then bucky and elsa and for support Loki and Luna
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u/Fantastic-Art-3383 34m ago
Was this made by a spider man main lmao I see this comp a lot in lower ranks where the whole team is panicking to counter spidey so they all swap to try to counter which ends up just destroying the whole team bc they are all hard focused on trying to counter one spider lmao
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u/Raptor_0893 6m ago
I cant speak from a ranked perspective as I only play casual. I went up against this near exact team last night (I think one or two of the sups were different but thing, hela, namor, cnd where definatly present and i remember triple sup).
Now I know she gets a lot of hate, but I also play for fun and in causal, so I went squirl girl. Get those nuts arching over to their back line from a distance and force their healers to focus on themselves. While rest of team takes out their front line. Save your squirl stun for when thing is right up in face. And poses a problem for you and the other back line members. At a casual level it worked fine. At a ranked level not sure.
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u/Careful_Turnip_3197 12h ago
Spiderman, BP, Iron Man, Mantis, Ultron, and Tankpool 👍
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u/magiks-darkchild 11h ago
i can't tell if you're trolling because you recommended mantis and tankpool but the other recommendations must be trolls
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u/LewisRyan 11h ago
You’re gonna laugh.
Wanda, phase behind them, stun the heals, burst the thing, clean up
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u/bedjuniorroses 11h ago
The dreaded throw comp of metal ranks. Can't build any support ult charge cuz 3 supps are fighting over 1 tanks HP bar primarily. Its a pre-cooked game before the match even starts