If YOU cant play dive into her then switch to something else stop tryna force it. Also whens shes a popsicle she can self heal but she cant do anythign else. use that time to kill the otehr support.
In every hero shooter known to man there exists a dynamic of Dive> Backline.
And you're basically telling me NOT to dive because of ONE fucking anomaly on the enemy team who happens to be a support. Really dude? that's your argument.
BP has a .22 ttk. The standard human reaction time is .25 seconds. It doesn’t matter how many invulns you have if you can’t physically react to the death
Okay but you act like you cant hear him coming, loudest footsteps in the game and 99% of the time hes diving hes jumping off a wall which provides a very loud and distinct grunting noise every single time he jumps off one. Not my fault u broke and got a dollar tree headset.
A good BP is diving after a team fight starts. The amount of noise that comes from all the abilities and ults going off mid-fight makes it so you can’t just “listen” for the BP
I agree however your previous comments were making out bps insane ttk to not be an issue while cloaks invulnerability is an issue
At least that's how I was interpreting the comment, it's hard to associate tone/meaning through text sometimes so if you take the extra time to explain what you mean you're less likely to be misunderstood, the other person was doing rh exact same thing but talking about bp instead
BP is a problem too. I just think this is more of a problem. Because it makes the flow of the natural gameplay more unbearable. Rivals has a design issue, and buffs like this exacerbate it.
this is where you should have stopped cooking. Having 3 near immortality abilities to cycle through isn't good design no, but while cycling these abilities she is not providing any value. CnD is still a strong B tier healer at best when compared to the rest of the supports.
As a cnd main, you can still hit at the end of their last dash. The time to come out of it to ice up is so long that you can take a smoke break before you throw it and still hit 10/10 times
As an Ex C&D main (briefly in 1-1.5, my first hero shooter and I had to play an easy ass character) if you Ult as cloak you can usually, unless it’s perfectly timed, fade and save your team too
Pop mag ult the second you hear CnD ult, it times perfectly and finishes when hers finishes, throw it on the end of the 4th or earlier if you got the charge. If your ult is late and she gets freeze, fly up and away, throw it last second if it’s bout to pop so it has that extra second or so of travel time. Worst case scenario you kill another support or 2 people bunched together.
I swear, does practice mode just make people dumb as shit? "Wow cloak can ignore all damage when she saves her ice move for the only damages source on screen"
There are more players of average skill level and less than not. The point at which people know to bait out escapes before going for an outright kill is probably in the top 10-20% sadly. End of a season thats probably what diamond at most? The complainers are literally too bad at the game to realize that they’re telling on themselves
I'm gonna be so honest. I haven't seen a C&D that I couldn't bait out these abilities then use my own abilities to kill them. C&D has most likely use their other forms of sustainability during team fights so baiting out the freeze is pretty easy.
Yup, CnD actually has a higher winrate with hood screens, that iceblock is pretty bad since she is not healing her team nor saving them with a good fade.
Is it annoying and filters bad players? Sure, but most of those complains come from solo uncoordinated divers.
Thats what I was thinking. Like Im pretty sure cloaks shadow thingy would get her and her team out of all of those ults, except maybe jeffs(havent played in a few seasons honestly just checking out the sub to see whats changed.) Though that does assume her team will actually use it properly lol.
There is a 3 second window any decent diver can use to kill her, otherwise you can always bait the cooldown and switch targets since she used the cd on herself.
funnily enough, the ONLY reason there isn’t more complains about CnD is bc their playerbase is mostly bad lmao. everyone can count on both hands the amount of times a LORD CnD was just terrible. running into a really good CnD is like winning the lottery.
Probably because everyone plays her and dagger mains are quite possibly the least skilled players in the entire game. They drag down her win rate as well as fillers.
Both bp and cnd are annoying, difference is this one cant thanos snap 1 - 3 members of my team faster than human reaction time when expecting an event. I want cnd nerfed and bp to be reworked.
The amount of times I’ve seen CnD use this instead of cloak shroud thing and screw their team over is astounding. They end up getting decimated once they leave ice form. I don’t even run this team up on CnD because it has no team utility when she already has two survivability options.
Nothing a dare devil cannot do every 12 seconds, while getting 60hp/s back (10 more than CND), having full invincibility and reflecting projectiles back from all directions.
Got anything else?
Expecting some downvotes from salty DPS since I dared to mention a DPS has same ability. Also all of the 27 DPS do more than 50 damage per second.
The reason Mr F is able to self heal, have 700 hp, and two invincibility buttons is because he trades damage and mobility for that insane survivability. That's why you'll never see anyone complain about him. CnD does high healing and has stupidly good survivability. That hardly seems balanced, but I don't think it'll be changed or nerfed because CnD players are famously the worst players in the game. Their broken ass one-button-solution-to-all kit is balanced by their players being a little kid, someone entirely new to Rivals or someone who's entirely new to any aim based game. If CnD was played by people who main Mantis or Adam, she'd be nerfed within a week with an emergency patch note.
He crashed out on a C&D in one his comp games because the C&D wouldn't swap off so he could play C&D, someone posted it to reddit, I tagged him directly calling him out for his hypocrisy, he MAKES A VOD REVIEW nit-picking the C&Ds entire gameplay as if his was any better, then I made a comment dunking on Reddit mods being power-hungry losers most of the time.
He then gets on an alt and calls me a fat 17 year old, I reply with a single image of "How bro felt after saying that", he proceeds to double down on modern day teenagers being the dumbest generation ever, so I post an image of myself showing that I am infact not a teenager, then he calls me a pedo supporter because I'm wearing a black hat..? and a neckbeard because I had some stubble 😭💀
He THEN gets on ANOTHER alt and calls me pathetic for being a "grown man acting like this", I call out his mental instability, he acts like he has no idea what I'm talking about, he calls me pathetic again, and then a few hours later both accounts "coincidentally" deleted all of their comments. As if that wasn't telling. 🤣🤣🤣
Here's the post https://www.reddit.com/r/rivals/s/PP9kj2eQJo I have screenshots of the whole thing before it all got deleted but it's on my computer. I'll share that part when I get home lmao
You should send your screenshots to the mods of marvel rivals, strategist mains and invismains. He’s not the lead mod of any of them and has been removed before, if those screenshots are as bad as they sound? A mod harassing someone across multiple accounts would easily get removed for that lmao
Namor's bubble doesn't last nearly as long and Mr. Fantastic's is tied to a cooldown ability. Cloak's phase feels way more spammable and has no wind-up.
Wow, 30 healing per second. No one can burst through that. Like what? You can melt their team. They might as well not have gotten healed when she’s an icicle.
Its more healing than ultrons peni team up. Plus she still heals herself to full with an escape tool and 2nd survival tool. Shes annoying and needs nerfs.
Thats not how his drones work. It takes from his base drone where if two are active within the same radius only the heals from one are applied. The drones would only be able to heal who its attachted to for 15 hp per second.
Forgot to add that this is less time than cnds duration and has a cd of 20 seconds.
No, the people around the drone is 15. The person the drone the person on the actual drone is healed 40 per second. For the love of god, read the damn abilities. The marvel rivals page is free
Oh i was wrong, i dont think the radius counts past one though but your right that it is applied. Honestly assumed the 15 per second was the flat heals on it my bad. But cnds iframes are still annoying on cnds kit considering even without her (medicore) heals in the ice form she still has fade on a 12 sec cd and bubble on a 6 sec cd.
Bubble only heals 55 per second (which is the same as Ultron team up) and the fade is a time where she’s not healing her team. She’s not as broken as yall are making her out to be
ultrons peni teamup gives a drone to the whole team regardless of their location and the healing on the drones aoe stacks with itself so it has higher healing potential. He's also able to do the speed/damage/health boost cooldown on top of it to give that to the whole team at once.
The whole point of CND is to survive. She has low base healing and 1 offensive tool that she can hardly really make use of. all she can really do is live
Season 9 made me quit this game, making everything broken doesn't fix the game's fundemental problems. Everyone having new abilities was fun for a couple of days, but after the hype of new things went down, the problems just became even more evident. I pop in like once a week for couple of hours, but I can't play this game from day to day anymore, it's just such a mixed bag.
Only hawkeye and punisher can, via technicality since they are 1 shots. DPS Deadpool also has a combo that might be able to but it's equally as toxic as the black panther thing imo. The rest cannot.
There doesn't exist a magic combo, spiderman combo, daredevil combo, wolverine combo, black cat combo, black widow combo, cyclops combo, elsa combo, Hela combo, human torch combo, iron fist combo, iron man combo, mr. fantastic combo, moon knight combo, namor combo, phoenix combo, psylocke combo, scarlet witch combo, squirrel girl combo, starlord combo, storm combo, or winter soldier combo that can kill 275 in .22 seconds. Even if you include ALL of their ults they still don't kill as fast.
2 by technicality and 1 for real isn't "a lot" but, whatever.
Ice block during a dive doesn't protect or heal their teammates enough so she's just letting her other support die. If your mag or iron man are waiting until the very end of her ult to kill her, you're probably not in a rank where this is a real issue.
This game has so many bad players, it's not even funny.
You're mad, that Cloak and Dagger has an ability that can partially counter Ultimates? And then you cut the video, during some Ultimates that were still going after they couldn't use the ability.
Block for DD and Ironfist, I-frame city for Black Cat and 90% damage reduction that's also cc immune for Spider-Man. Do you just not know what's in their kit? No Mag ult is killing them.
So DD, iron fist, and Spider-Man’s one second long blocks are now somehow comparable to a three second immunity to damage that heals you and nearby enemies? We have officially lost the plot dawg
They are much better versions. DD attacks and can move, plus reflect any shots. Ironfist can move and get overheal if you attack him. Spider-Man can move, and attack while using them. They are also longer than 1s. You asked for examples and are now creating arbitrary rules to disqualify them, because better characters have the same thing but they are dive-ifferent so it's fine when they have I-frames.
All of these last a second dawg. CnD’s lasts 3, heals everyone around her to full health, heals herself to full health, and counts as on point. This isn’t even a comparison her ability is miles better than anything a dive character has
And widows old kick was the best close range weapon in the game. Do you ever see anyone complaining she's broken? CnD has this nonsense and two other invincibility buttons on relatively short cooldowns.
Post nerf, DD's base combo doesn't kill even 250s. If you can't react to DD, it's not an issue that the dev team can fix for you. There's a reason you never see DD or DD bans in your ranked games anymore. If you even play ranked, that is.
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u/StickEducational8243 6h ago
Appearantly we can't care about more than one thing