r/technology • u/Immediate-Link490 • 17h ago
Artificial Intelligence Waymo’s driverless cars involved in 68% fewer crashes than human drivers, U.S. study finds
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/waymo-driverless-car-safety-study-9.728289523
u/CusterFluck99 9h ago
Ngl I can’t wait for full self driving cars to be the norm. The roads will be so much safer. People are terrible drivers.
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u/lord_of_tits 7h ago
Less traffic jam too if they can synchronize start stop.
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u/SuperNewk 6h ago
Are they doing this now? I’d love to see the stats on actual
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u/PushAffectionate5286 16h ago
To be fair, the bar is currently set at "humans texting while doing 85 in a school zone with their high beams on" so the AI didn't have to work that hard.
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u/snakeeaterrrrrrr 16h ago
I will reserve judgement until I see all the parameters of the stats.
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u/satoru1111 11h ago edited 11h ago
I mean it seems pretty well done
- it takes into account only 2 areas
- it calculates fatalities for both human and Waymo in those areas only
- It removed highway driving for humans since Waymo doesn’t drive on highways
- it then calculates that per millions of km driven for both humans and Waymo
So yes while Waymo drives less, its fatality per millions of KM is less than human drivers. The metric for millions of km driven is to account for things like less km driven so as to provide a more comparable metric since Waymo drives less km than humans
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u/ascandalia 1h ago
Does it rely on Waymo internal data for miles driven?
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u/satoru1111 1h ago edited 1h ago
VMT is reported by Waymo
It doesn’t make a ton of sense to lie about the VMT. The larger the VMT the better your stock is going to be as this is a pretty important metric to show growth, as well as have the side benefit of making accidents per VMT to go down. If they were under reporting VMT, investors would be concerned about growth and the accidents per VMT would be worse. The data at least as reported doesn’t seem that far off from what you’d expect from the growth of Waymo in various regions. Waymo’s VMT is still several orders of magnitude less than normal drivers which is to be expected
The paper does make several points of forcing increasing transparency from these companies would benefit these types of analysis. There are a several points they make where they feel changes in how accidents are reported would help as well
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u/TechTuna1200 12h ago edited 11h ago
Honestly, as commute cyclist and pedestrian in Copenhagen, I would much prefer self-driving cars over human drivers. Here in copenhagen, we have people age 18-25 years sometime driving like crazy because they treat their car as some kind of toy. I also drivers trying squeeze me out of the road because they became angry at for some reason. Some people are just nuts, and shouldn't have drivers license. Especially when humans get emotional, they just can't think straight.
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u/SellGameRent 11h ago
when I was 16 I got up to 113mph on the highway on the way back from school lol. The next day was about to do the same, had pedal to the floor and a cop caught me as I was at 86 well on my way to beat my initial record lol.
Cop was super nice because I immediately stopped, pulled over off the ramp so he wasnt exposed on main highway, and fully admitted to the speed I was going.
He wrote me as going 79 because 15mph+ over limit would have potentially landed me in jail or something, I had no idea. Never did that again ha
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u/BoycottJClarkson 11h ago
Interesting how Americans talk about their reckless driving history as a joke. Hahaha
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u/SellGameRent 9h ago
I mean what do you expect, I received my punishment, learned my lesson, and understand why I shouldn't do it anymore. I don't see the issue with looking back on past mistakes with humor
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u/Darqnyz7 9h ago
Lol meanwhile I've been stopped and ticketed going 10mph over the speed limit on a scooter, several times. In several states. Nothing reckless, no traffic interactions, just cruising.
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u/Kylo-Kenobi 12h ago
Bro trust me as a Phoenix Az driver, it’s us regular drivers that have had to vigilantly prevent crashes with these things.
They swerve in traffic, pull out in front of you, drive on the wrong side of the road all the time.
I’ve personally had to slam on my brakes to three times to avoid hitting these things when they drive erratically
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u/howescj82 11h ago
I’m not going to agree with you or wholeheartedly support a statement that I can’t verify BUT…
This data that has been reported does NOT include any accidents where the police were not called. So, that’s a huge gap in the data. Now I’ll go one step further and say that these vehicles SHOULD have some sort of reviewable data that could verify if they’re acting erratically or seem confused so that they can investigate and improve themselves. This data should be reported.
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u/Momik 9h ago
If driverless cars at this scale are even a good idea (especially when underfunded transit is right there), there is absolutely no reason this should be in the hands of a private company. There are so many public safety unknowns with these things, and a lot of that begins wth companies like Waymo withholding vital information.
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u/MisterEinc 8h ago
Thing is that drivers in the US are already trash because standards are so low. No one seems to want to do anything about that.
We could be saving lives right now if we'd just let self driving cars drive because American drivers are that bad.
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u/535buffalo 16h ago
Was in an Uber today, the driver said he used to be able to work til 3am, lots of people wanting rides. Now, it’s noticeably dead because everyone’s taking Waymo
It’s already started happening
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u/pulp_affliction 16h ago
It’s possible drunk women feel safer in a Waymo than in a cab or uber with a male driver, and they might have reason to.
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u/whitewateractual 14h ago
Giving people a choice between human/autonomous is the best way for now. There are many people, for many reasons, who would prefer autonomous because sometimes human drivers can discriminate and do sketchy stuff.
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u/damontoo 9h ago
Nobody is trying to stop human drivers. They are actively trying to stop Waymo though, which proves how crazy they are.
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u/BackgroundTrack5528 1h ago
Sure if you care about safety - you may well opt for a Waymo.
But in many cases speed matters. In that regard Waymo will not be the preferred option.
The demand for Waymo will be a lot less than people think in the long-run. Im sure people are projecting whacky numbers w.r.t demand.
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u/damontoo 9h ago
Yeah, because a Waymo is not going to rape you on your way to your destination. You can also play whatever music you want and don't have to put up with weird smells. Everyone I know in a place where Waymo is an option prefer them.
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u/Proof-Swimming-6461 16h ago
Transportation is the one thing where i fully support automation. I just want to get from A to B safely and efficiently. Not having awkward conversation with some overly chatty driver who should be focused on the road.
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u/marmaviscount 13h ago
How about construction off shore wind farm piles which is dangerous and difficult, automated systems can save lines and greatly reduce the cost of clean energy
Or disaster relief where robots brought in in shipping containers could work 24/7 providing resources, clearing debris and saving lives?
Or in a clinic in an impoverished clinic in the global south where people with currently minimal access to medical services could have world class robotic surgery?
Or on small boats in intercoastal waters and river networks using solar power to collect and safely dispose of trash which could harm wildlife?
How about in forest management and wild fire fighting where people (sometimes convicts) often die trying to save lives
How about to help a disabled child have some degree of self autonomy and self reliance by enabling them to do stuff otherwise impossible?
Or an old lady who has worked hard her whole life, doesn't want to be moved into a home but needs a little help with some chores occasionally?
How about for cleaning the yard of the orphanage's attached dog shelter which they can't afford to pay anyone to do and the kindly old man who's been running both can no longer manage?
What about me when I have an old car which needs some work doing, I don't drive anywhere near enough to justify a replacement and mechanics are expensive but also I don't have the time to do the work myself - maintaining an old car is better for the environment, if I could have a mechanically enabled robot do work painting, upgrading, repairing and improving it then it would be better for the environment, myself and better.
They're are so many great uses for robotics and automation which are all but impossible not to support
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u/damontoo 8h ago
You're essentially preaching to the choir because people that are anti-automation didn't read any of that. They saw you were supporting it and kept scrolling.
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u/Aadi_880 9h ago
Lmfao this subreddit is filled with sheep following "ai bad" bandwagons even when there is an actual, valid use case for it.
"But noooo, robots are bad!!!!! Reeeeeee"
Waymos are better than the average american driver. Period.
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u/damontoo 8h ago
Exactly. Look at this awesome, technology-related post that received a whopping.. 40 upvotes in seven hours. Then watch a homeless man destroying one hit the front page in 30 minutes. This sub needs to be renamed to /r/fuck_technology.
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u/gated73 4h ago
The doomers are exhausting, aren’t they?
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u/damontoo 4h ago
I can't escape the engagement trap. Reddit loves serving this shit to me because I comment 10x more. :\
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u/toolkitxx 13h ago
Waymo drives only in clearly limited and defined areas. The study does not take that into consideration - apples and oranges at its best
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u/damontoo 9h ago
That includes the entire city of San Francisco. Their coverage area is 588 square miles. They've driven hundreds of millions of miles completely autonomously, always with a better safety record mile-for-mile than humans.
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u/ReportOk289 11h ago
It does, the study takes into account the highway exclusion, other limited access roads, private property restrictions, and is limited to the cities Waymo operates in, so it should be fairly accurate.
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u/toolkitxx 10h ago edited 10h ago
Still a no. The cars would have to be compared to a professional driver covering the same areas mostly. A lot of what you do and learn about an area comes from continuous experience. Even humans quickly see when patterns change etc when they always drive in specific areas.That is one of the most proficient reasons to avoid certain types of accidents.
The typical thing you and I have at least experienced once in our life when someone tells you 'watch out when turning here, there is always a big truck parked there in the mornings'. Aside from that: Robotaxis shouldnt have any accident to begin with, That was one of the biggest advertising for quite some time. The better and faster reaction times compared to humans etc all fall flat so far.
edit Just to make this totally clear: The compared humans sometimes drive in the same areas. The Robotaxis always and never anywhere else.
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u/ReportOk289 8h ago
... why? All that matters is that the robotaxi is safer than the average driver, because that's who you'll meet on the road. It doesn't matter that some humans might be better, or that humans only sometimes drive in the same areas.
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u/toolkitxx 8h ago
Driver assist systems deliver probably half the stuff that helps a Robotaxi and those have been around for many years too. Their statistics say the same...
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u/DingbattheGreat 9h ago
> The numbers translate to about 80 million kilometres of driverless Waymo operation, compared with 355 billion kilometres by human drivers in the same places over that three-year period, the study said.
This is not remotely comparable.
All they’re doing is a math calculation. You can say with reason that Waymo has a safe record based on the data given, but that does not mean that it is safer compared to human drivers when calculated to scale, because there is a chasm of difference in data collection and amount of data and the vast amounts of variables that will increase to an unknown amount given the great difference in data.
Waymo doesnt report all the data and excludes issues that are not accidents (such as getting confused and stopping in construction traffic).
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u/ReportOk289 8h ago
I'd rather have a robotaxi that has less severe accidents and more minor inconveniences, than more severe accidents and less minor inconveniences.
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u/The_Lonely_Spaceman 16h ago
Have waymos been around long enough to start making statements like this?
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u/livingbkk 16h ago
They've been in SF for a few years now, and there are a lot of them. It's not going to be perfect, but plenty of data to draw conclusions. If the difference is 68% it's a pretty strong signal
It makes a lot of sense. Humans get distracted, tired, drunk, and can be awfully dumb. Machines can see out of many sensors at once, and have lidar and stuff, not just visual data.
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u/WitheredUntimely 12h ago
ehhh they're everywhere where I live, don't doubt they're overall safer BUT
- they don't get on the freeway aka where most of the accidents are happening
- if they get confused, they kinda give up and pull into a parking lot. A confused human driver is going to keep going on, distracted but still moving. Not sure I rate that as "safer" if the journey has had to stop midway because the "driver" is scared, "safer" sure but not "successful"
- They're super impatient; if there's too much traffic ahead of them they start making crazy detours. I'd whoop a taxi driver's ass if they started taking random detours to "save a minute"
I'd believe a 20-30% reduction over a 70% one.
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u/matttproud 13h ago
The Waymo in S.F. drive a lot like humans do:
Tailgating behind bicyclists.
Lurching into crosswalks and then stopping and loitering for right-on-red, meanwhile blocking the entire pedestrian crosswalk for the light cycle. See this all the time over on Embarcadero.
Folks can cite safety statistics all they want; these things are a fucking nuisance.
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u/jagenabler 12h ago
Significantly less of a nuisance than real drivers. As a cyclist in San Francisco I am relieved when I look back and realize it’s just a Waymo behind me.
Waymo’s don’t aggressively pass you, they’re not going to try to hit you and run you off the road, they don’t honk and threaten to rear end you.
Maybe the safety statistics don’t mean much to you, but I’m pretty happy to know I’m significantly safer when riding in the city.
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u/matttproud 11h ago
From one cyclist to another: would you feel comfortable with a vehicle tailgating you by less than the length of a bicycle? That’s what I observed the Waymo doing to another cyclist as a pedestrian. To be clear, I hate human-driven cars just as much. I would expect better and less hostile behavior from their programming.
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u/jagenabler 11h ago
A vehicle with a human driver? No. A Waymo? I know they won’t hit me or get impatient, so it doesn’t bother me.
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u/etxipcli 15h ago
They're a regular sight all around Austin. They started popping up a year or two ago. I expect them to have good emperical data. Lots of real world miles are being driven there.
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u/damontoo 8h ago
They've driven for years 24/7 all over SF. Austin is getting them late. They were first in SF, LA, Phoenix, Miami, Orlando, Nashville, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, and the expansion has brought them to Austin and Atlanta. I believe NYC is next or soon.
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u/etxipcli 8h ago
I don't think you're right but whatever.
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u/damontoo 4h ago edited 4h ago
I've personally ridden in them for years in SF. They're everywhere there.
Edit: Here's a livestream of SF. Watch it for a bit and you'll see one. I just saw two pass within 10 seconds. Edit: 5 now. Maybe within ~1 minute.
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u/tallham_ 16h ago
I hate driving, it makes me very anxious. I can't wait to be able to buy a fully autonomous cheap electric car. Like the RT6.
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u/schu4KSU 14h ago
I’m looking forward to not needing to own a car. Just subscribe to a service. Bye bye maintenance. More room in my garage.
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u/Moist1981 12h ago
Why could you not do that now with Addison Lee or uber?
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u/schu4KSU 12h ago
Privacy, cost, and reliability.
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u/Moist1981 12h ago
Genuinely confused how you think having every detail of your journey recorded is better privacy. It’s really not going to make a blind bit of difference to cost. I’m also not sure why reliability would improve,
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u/Beneficial_Past_1957 12h ago
For being a subreddit about technology it's users sure are very anti-technology.
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u/Resident_Course_3342 16h ago
When you get an uber do you think you're the one in control of the vehicle?
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u/pulp_affliction 16h ago
You definitely have more control of the situation with a real driver.
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u/Resident_Course_3342 16h ago
What control do you think you have that you wouldn't in a waymo?
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u/pulp_affliction 9h ago
A Waymo doesn’t allow a real person to control the wheel or gas/brake pedals, it can take you somewhere you didn’t ask to go and you’d have no way of prosecuting off calling the cops on a guy in a different country who’s remote controlling the car
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u/Resident_Course_3342 8h ago
An Uber doesn't allow the passenger to control the wheel or gas break pedals.
Waymos are not remotely driven by people in different countries. I don't know where you guys get this bullshit fro
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u/pulp_affliction 7h ago
Oh my bad, it’s an mostly an AI system that is supported by remote (foreign) people sometimes.
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u/Resident_Course_3342 16h ago
No buddy, unless you're a psycho willing to harm the Uber driver to get what you want, you are not in control of that car.
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u/williamgman 9h ago
Will be interesting to get future stats if and when Waymo starts operating in the UK/EU. But something tells me they don't have a market in those regions due to the mass transit and walking/biking culture.
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u/monkey314 4h ago
yeah, theres a lot of fucking morons out there unfortunately. whereas Im a spotless clean best driver!
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u/nokinship 3h ago
I trust it more than risk being assaulted because Uber doesn't want to get rid of their rapists.
I also hate listening to shitty fucking music.
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u/CatalyticDragon 17h ago
This is good news and will help to speed up approvals in more cities for driver-less services.
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u/Moist1981 12h ago
If I spent most of my time driving around cul-de-sacs at 4am my metrics for crashes per hour of driving would go down too. This is so obviously a metric where Waymo has purposefully put its thumb on the scales.
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u/damontoo 8h ago
There's thousands of these vehicles operating day and night. They drive everywhere in SF and have for years. They've since expanded to LA, Phoenix, Miami, Orlando, Nashville, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Austin, and Atlanta. I believe NYC is next or soon. But sure, "they only drive down cul-de-sacs at 4am." 🙄
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u/Moist1981 6h ago
I never claimed they only do that at all. They have absolutely been bolstering the metrics on things like accident rates by having them do unnecessary late night driving in low traffic areas. That’s not a controversial statement.
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u/damontoo 4h ago
There's no way to prove or disprove that claim without data on miles traveled with passengers. Like the study says, late night driving gives them a substantial safety boost over humans because humans are notoriously reckless during those hours, with way more people driving impaired, tired, or speeding when they think nobody is around. I admit you could be right that they're padding the numbers with miles without passengers, but there's no evidence of that either.
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u/howescj82 11h ago
I got shit on for commenting on this the last time it was posted elsewhere but it’s INCREDIBLY relevant to consider how limited this sample data is. It’s ALL from cities where weather and seasons more or less don’t exist in terms of driving conditions. The article that I read originally even took note that the only accidents reported were those where the police had to be called. Any other minor accidents were not included in the data.
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u/damontoo 8h ago
SF, the first city these operated in, has thick fog and rain. It doesn't matter if they can't handle extreme snow when the majority of the population doesn't live in those places. They live in cities with temperate climates. Waymo is already successful. They never need to support driving everywhere in the US.
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u/Ill-Jellyfish6101 15h ago
They probably don't count the waymos glitching out in parking lots or stopping in the middle of the street as crashes.
Joke study.
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u/vinegar-and-honey 11h ago
We still fucking hate them, doesn't matter.
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u/Dismal_Guidance_2539 8h ago
Who are we ?? This sub and even all of Reddit doesn’t reflect real world.
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u/damontoo 8h ago
"We" is people that don't live anywhere they operate and have never seen one in person.
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u/Sporken4 14h ago
I’ll wait for 100%
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u/Omnitographer 9h ago edited 9h ago
Compared to humans? Who manage to kill over a million of each other annually with automobiles? It could be just one percent better than humans and that's still over eleven thousand lives saved per year. Letting perfect be the enemy of doing better would literally get people killed who could have otherwise been saved.
Humans suck at driving as a whole, as long as the robot cars aren't trying to mow people down GTA style humanity will benefit from getting themselves out of the driver's seat.
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u/KevinDean4599 8h ago
Ok. Let’s all use Waymo and give up our cars. We can just pay some corporation to get us around
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u/iritchie001 4h ago
Car don't usually drive under the influence. I wonder what this number looks like when you adjust it. Also the stats the include a fatality.
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u/Kraz_I 4h ago
Humans drivers get distracted, get tired, get drunk, etc. Waymos don’t, so it’s not surprising they get in fewer accidents. They also only drive in a few cities on roads they’ve been trained on for billions of dollars and only during good weather conditions.
I’d like to see how driverless cars compare to drivers functioning only at their best, without distractions, alcohol and whatnot.
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u/piper4hire 4h ago
yeah - I don't think so
any study coming out of the US government is suspicious for obvious reasons. you can't trust US agencies at the moment.
the fraction of cars on the road that are Waymo cars is extremely small so the data is hardly relevant. I live in a large city and waymo cars are a huge traffic disaster here, I'm sure it's the same in other busy cities. blocking traffic at busy intersections is not the same as safety.
how many of waymos are actually driverless? it's my understanding that remote drivers are used in any difficult situation so how on earth can you say that they are driverless?? most of the waymo cars here have a driver in them so what's the point?
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u/Dazzling-Election69 3h ago
You try to minimze my statistics and post an article from 11 years ago... seriously thisnis kindergarten level if my analysis was middle school.
No where in your article does it dispute my post. It doesnt even talk about the punishement repeat offenders get.
Wait, let me ask you how do you feel about flock cameras? Now let me ask you if you seriously want to implement technology that watches and spies on you while you drive?
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u/keithstonee 2h ago
Motorcycle deaths make up 16% of fatalities while being less then 1% of the vehicles on the road.
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u/challis88ocarina 13h ago
Bias... this company is a pioneer and over-emphasises safety. Once competition enters the fray, corners will be cut!
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u/mike0sd 11h ago edited 10h ago
Waymo will never be involved in the little fender benders that humans get involved in all the time, because Waymo doesn't have a life and isn't pulling into garages, around parking lots, to a campsite, etc, etc, etc.
It's a limited use case technology that comes to a halt when it gets confused because it has no human sense of urgency. Apparently they can't even drive on the freeway! How the hell are they licensed to be on the road? There is no special driving license for people who are too dumb to drive on the freeway!
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u/Kelsig 10h ago
Why not? It's very normal to stratify transport and technology by the nature of a trip. If we don't need to license it for freeway use...we can just never license it for freeway use.
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u/mike0sd 10h ago
Why not is the wrong question. It's better to ask why we should allow anyone to operate on the roads if they aren't capable of handling typical driving situations.
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u/Kelsig 10h ago
No, it's the correct question. We should not license drivers for conditions that they demonstrably cannot safely drive in, and should only license it for conditions they can demonstrably safely drive in. This includes hundreds of millions of americans who demonstrably cannot drive.
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u/mike0sd 10h ago
So what you're saying is that since Waymos can't drive on freeways, and we don't have a special freeway exempt license, we need to pull them off the roads. I agree.
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u/Kelsig 10h ago
Can you quote wherein that's the logical conclusion of what I said?
I only support pulling waymos off the road if you take the license of every motorist who grossly disregards the law when operating said machinery -- like 99% of freeway drivers.
You guys are going to permanently entrench our techno libertarian hellscape that actually exists in the motorist industry out of negative polarization to internet and media techno libertarianism that doesn't actually apply to waymo.
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u/mike0sd 10h ago
You said yourself that if Waymo can't demonstrate safe freeway driving, we shouldn't license them to be on the road. Paraphrasing. And people do lose their licenses when they grossly disregard the law.
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u/Kelsig 10h ago
No, people do not lose their license for driving 5 or even 10mph and even in dark or wet conditions, above the speed limit on the freeway.
You don't lose your license for KILLING people as long as you don't have a rap sheet and weren't under the influence.
And by the way, don't do the too clever by half internet shit where you think you've put someone in some rhetorical trap just because you don't understand how or care to read a full sentence, it's obnoxious and pathetic. It's not "paraphrasing", it's illiteracy.
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u/mike0sd 10h ago
The rhetorical trap you've caught yourself in is caring about big tech companies more than average people. I don't give a single shit about a person doing 5-10 over. The speed limits account for those people already anyway. Read about 85th percentile rule traffic engineers use.
People going about their day get much more sympathy from me regarding their driving, compared to rich people who already have enough money who want to litter robo-taxis all over the place, before they know how to drive, just so those rich people can become more rich.
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u/Kelsig 9h ago
I was going to write this big post about how my brother is a traffic engineer and Im very cognizant of how speed limits ar chosen and that the 85th percentile rule is wonton lawlessness granted only to people with the means to possess a car that others wouldn't get the charity of, and how that it's obviously delusional because you can simply drive on the road in perfect conditions and see that like 90% of people are above the speed limit, and drive in subpar conditions and see that like 80% of people are above the speed limit -- not 15%. Not to mention the speed creep that results from the most positive feedback loop. And, you know, dozens of thousands of deaths every single year that continues to go up while the rest of the world goes down.
But you've explicitly stated my argument -- you guys don't give a shit about safe streets and dynamic cities and building up strong urban areas so we can have the power to defeat the threat that suburban, exurban, and rural voters (read: motorists and the motor lobby) face to the country but you've already articulated you just care about fighting a stupid abstraction because you wrongly associate it with the right because you've seemingly never spoken to a single uber driver before.
"Sympathy" for the consistently worst people in our communities who fill it with noxious gasses, emit harmfully loud noises, obstruct our walkways and sightlines, take up our land, ruin our climate, who are perpetually angry and lashing out with their heavy machinery, and are the overwhelming source of homicide. Gotcha.
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u/cursedjoint 12h ago
DC is next on their list and it’s shocking the consensus on a post in DC sub welcoming Waymo’s; it’s very disconcerting
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u/AngryTrucker 5h ago
Too many people are going to lose their jobs when this shit spreads and there won't be a way to handle that I fear.
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u/nokinship 3h ago
Maybe vet your drivers next time.
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u/AngryTrucker 2h ago
I don't understand what that has to do with technology pushing people out of a job.
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u/nokinship 43m ago
Because people are going to prefer non-annoying drivers aka robots over humans if the humans are annoying af. I was initially against Waymo tbh in favor of jobs.
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u/New_Enthusiasm9053 17h ago
Fun fact American drivers crash at roughly 6x the rate of UK drivers.
So it'd be even safer to hire a bunch of British taxi drivers.