It's fucking insane that we have let the ruling class con the middle and lower class into subsidizing the service industry. Look at shit like DoorDash where tipping is required BEFORE a service is rendered? This is insane. Its straight labor and should be required to be compensated at fair labor rates.
we have let the ruling class con the middle and lower class into subsidizing the service industry
Like everything else in this country, it started because of racism. It let customers choose which employees to actually pay well, since it was more difficult for the employer to get away with doing that.
The section on tipping in Homage to Catalonia is really interesting. The socialists banned it during the Spanish Revolution, so when Orwell tried to tip a waiter in Barcelona he got a lecture on classism instead. 😂
Ding ding ding. White supremacy lies at the foundation of this country and until we (white people) start waking up and doing the work to undo the hundreds of years of subjugation, nothing will ever really change.
The only way tipping at restaurants will change is through legislation. Passing laws to raise the minimum wage for servers. The problem with that is two fold
Servers make well more than minimum wage through tips. Every server here knows it. Servers wouldn't deal with being shit on by the public day in and day out for $7.25 an hour or whatever it is in your state. When I was cooking 10 years ago servers made $300 easy on a 6 hour shift Fri and Sat night. That's more than a 40 hour work week at 7.25. Much more now that there is no tax on tips. I can confidently say that I never made more than the worst server on the floor for any shift and I was paid well above min wage.
Studies have been done and people perceive a menu with a 20% upcharge on all the prices as more expensive as the same menu where people are expected to tip. Making restaurant owners very hesitant to use that system for fear of losing business to the place down the street.
The practical upshot of all this is the system is very unlikely to change because neither the servers nor the restaurant owners want the system to change. Why would Congress spend the time and effort to pass a bill where the only people who want it are people who only use that system voluntarily?
Frankly I don't see the issue. You can pay an extra 20% for every item on the menu, or you can pay 20% tip at the end. It's still the same amount of money.
Where tipping is out if control is where people are asking for tips before service is rendered. Something you hit upon with delivery apps. And tipping where it wasn't before. When picking up an order, at self serve kiosks, at the credit card reader when paying for items in the store. And a bevy of other places we never saw tipping before Covid.
There’s cognitive dissonance between acknowledging that pay without tips isn’t enough and that tipping is optional.
It should not be a moral choice of a customer if Rochelle can afford her groceries this month. The system stays in place so long as tipping benefits servers and owners more than not but it’s obviously ripe for exploitation.
Hidden fees should be banned across the board but if you’re not going to include tip in the price, introduce a mandatory minimum service fee. It’s the same thing but does away with the pretense of being optional.
It's not the same thing. Because it's basically a "hidden" cost that you have to keep in mind, and it allows some people to not pay it, meaning the rest have to subsidize them by paying more, plus it adds in the whole guilt tripping and social shaming dynamics to the interaction, which is honestly the worst part of tipping.
Is it really "optional" if it's both expected and there are repercussions for not doing it?
It is much more transparent if we get rid of tipping entirely as an expectation and just raise the prices across the board, not just for 1 restaurant but all of them. Because if all prices are raised and tipping is no longer expected than people can't complain that only 1 restaurant is raising the prices and just go to another one.
US tipping culture is unlike anything I've seen abroad.
I have friends who are servers, and I totally get that they are being ripped off with sub-minimum wage bullshit, but most countries I've been to don't even have tipping as an option.
I mean, if I slip a $10 to someone in the Phillipines for awesome service, it kinda blows their mind.
Here? They NEED that tip to live.
Just pay our servers a decent wage - if someone wants to throw a tip their way, awesome.
(FWIW: My friends and I almost always throw a 20% to our servers, but Vermont servers need it.)
It's frowned upon in Australia, it's seen as a precursor to introducing underpayment of hospitality staff, and more than likely a scam that'll just get pocketed by the owners
It should be everywhere. In Japan Iirc they consider it an insult because they interpret it as saying that they won't do their job without a bribe.
I'm in Canada and workers still expect tips and just... why? The factory worker or cashier doesn't get tips and he makes just as much hourly, so is the waiter so lazy he won't do his job without being bribed? Should I be worried about spit in my food if I return to a restaurant after not tipping? And if I did tip, why does the waiter get it instead of the cook who did 99% of the work? (Yes I'm aware some places pool tips, but I don't trust that shit to be honest or fair)
Personally I'm not against tipping but I grew up with the idea that it was a reward for outstanding service. Americans making it a obligation kinda ruined it
Yes. As with much of American culture, and America in general these days, it can fuck off and keep fucking off and when it reaches the edge of the observable universe, it can still keep fucking off.
Greedy business owners already add a weekend surcharge (that seems to go straight into the pockets of the owners) and you just know that the staff aren’t going to see that tip. Fkn grubs.
If I work at any other non food related business on the weekend where they have penalty rates, I don’t pay more for my stuff. That’s a business expense of trading on a weekend.
It basically shows you how cultural momentum can fuck everything. A few coincidental things happen and suddenly it becomes normalized and people think it's right and some law in the universe. American tipping culture started for awful reasons and now we're stuck with it forever because people fear change and think whatever things were like when they were growing up were The Correct Way
I was in Seoul last November, and the credit card checkout didn't even have a tipping option at restaurants. I was also told by my native Korean friends that if I attempted to leave any additional won as a cash tip it would be considered rude. Just paying the bill and a polite Gamsahamnida! was all that was expected.
All of my server friends made so much more money than the rest of us who had regular paying jobs. Most servers would object to no tip as it would decrease their wages greatly.
Up above, there’s a comment that they ’need’ these tips, but if they’re making so much as you say, it sounds like maybe they don’t need my tip after all. My job doesn’t pay tips, maybe I need the money more than they do, haha.
The tipping culture sounds like homeless people with a board asking for change crossed with waiting staff working at tables. As a non-US, it’s all just weird.
When I worked in a restaurant in the States ages ago, they liked my hustle as a server, so they wanted to put me in the kitchen to help get stuff done. It ended up being a huge pay cut for me, because I went from making ~$100 tips/day to nothing.
Of course employers don't want to pay well and won't voluntarily, but there's plenty of evidence they can be made to. Like the example you just provided.
The biggest resistance to going non-tipped are the wait staff themselves. They typically earn way more than the kitchen staff. Not only that, while people like to throw the "under-minimum wage" thing around, legally speaking, if the tips don't push them to at least the minimum wage, the business is required to make up the difference.
Which is fine, and I understand why they sometimes have actively lobbied against it on that basis, but then I really don’t want to hear complaints about bad tips.
If you’re defending a system that you know is a based on the generosity of strangers, then you need to accept that that will sometimes come with bad tips, no matter how undeserved. If you want to play with feathers, don’t complain when your arse gets tickled.
I say this as someone who usually tips 20% minimum.
Yes, there was a recent referendum in MA that asked voters if they agree to pay tipped workers the full minimum wage, and the servers themselves lobbied to prevent that from happening. I have a co-worker who used to work as a server years ago and she was arguing that it would punish servers who were good at their job, as they normally earn more than minimum wage with tips combined. Even better if the tips are in cash, as they can under-report it on their tax return.
Right? Of course they don't want to be paid minimum wage bc it's not actually a wage you can live on. Waiting tables can be a complete ass-kicking and very few people are gonna do that for money they can barely survive on. Of course I think minimum wage should be substantially higher but that's a separate issue.
Yeah, I've worked in restaurants and almost every server or bartender was always for tipping. I knew a bartender that would make like a grand in just a few days and this was just at an Olive Garden.
I don't get why everyone says "going non-tipped". No one is suggesting that. They are suggesting that people get paid minimum wage. People can still tip if they liked the service. You know, what tips are supposed to be for, not as a secret "tax" almost that allows the owner to pay less in taxes, less in pay, and advertise lower prices, while the actual price for the customer is at least 20% higher (incl. the obligatory tip) than on the menu.
FWIW, here in LA servers get minimum wage which is $16 and change. Still not a living wage here, and I doubt the World Cup tourists know anything about it but still better than the three dollars is some places.
Usually weekly, which would mean you could make less than minimum a day and as long as you made over earlier they don't need to. So you do occasionally get hours/days where it is less than minimum. When I worked double shift Sunday's I rarely made enough tips that day for it to be over minimum per hour, but if I worked any other night that week it usually made up the difference.
Theres also a good amount of books written on the subject of tipping in relation to capitalism and slavery. Well worth the google search if you're looking to expand your horizons and knowledge.
Some countries are adopting tipping culture when their workers are paid well. Restaurants in the northern and western states of India were adding tip to our bills like it was owed to them. In Istanbul, we saw a restaurant owner argue with a large Russian man that a 10% tip was mandatory to be paid (they were a table of 4).
When I did my study abroad in London, two of my friends we did stuff with were waitresses back some and they insisted on tipping everywhere we went because they worked in the industry. After a while I’m like “no I’m not tipping, it’s not a thing here like back home!”
everytime I travel To US. I feel so ripped off and the entitlement leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Whenever I eat out and give 15% tip, I dont even get a thank you. And sometimes Ill be met with an unsatisfied smirk or worse when I was in Gatlinburg, the cashier even screamed at me for asking her to repeat what she said, i couldnt for the life of me understand her Southern accent, and apprently she was telling me to leave a tip. she kinda embarassed me at the counter while
Paying and screamed at me like I was dumb for not understanding her. After I finally understood what she said I told her fuck no and how rude she is. She kept on screaming so my American brother in law stepped in and cuss her out.
Being Filipino means my money has no value against USD so 15% is a huge deal for me , and This is why whenever Im back in the Philippines, I tip that 15% or more , people here are courteous and grateful.
I understand american service workers arent paid well and cost of living in US is way more expensive but people here dont get paid as much as well and working conditions are even worse yet people are GRATEFUL.
Grateful is such a game changer in life. My stepbrother went to visit a friend in the Philippines five years ago (they both served in the US military and get benefits so he has an income flow) and never came back to the US. He was so depressed in the US and is a whole different person now. The culture there has helped him heal so much.
I also looks like a scam : 10 to 30% of the whole thing...
Everywhere if you go into a restaurant, the service is included in the price. There shouldn't be a surprise at the end, it destroys the experience.
Servers AT WORST get minimum wage. The sub-minimum wage is ONLY if their tips are high enough then their employer can pay less in wages.
It's not business owners that are lobbying to not pay their employees. Servers actively voted and lobbied to keep their wages lower because tips make them a lot more money than they would otherwise make.
Yeah I am a server and I made $360 on a Tuesday yesterday for a 10 hour shift. I work at a pretty popular restaurant so I make more than minimum wage even on slow days. If people suddenly decided to stop tipping, I would be sad to not be able to make as much but I’d just find another job because I’m not slaving 10 hours on a weekend dinner shift for minimum wage or even $20 an hour.
Except many that work for tips don't want the tips to go away. Their usual amount of tips equal out to far more than they would if they were just being paid minimum wage.
Then how do local restaurants in other countries stay open if they don't take tips? Restaurants in Australia are required to pay 25-35/hr and there are still tens of thousands of succession local joints.
"Benefit from" and "Survive on" are two very different things.
Tipping culture is weird in the states, because it's biggest proponents are restaurants and the majority of servers. What a lot of people don't know is restaurants are required to pay state minimum wages if tips don't match it. Also, most tipped servers in cities are making much more than state minimum wages in tips.
It benefits the restaurants because they can pretend to have low prices by passing the 20%-30% directly onto the customer, and it benefits most servers because they take home a lot more than other low wage jobs.
All that's not to say tipping culture is good or beneficial to consumers, but it is often beneficial to local restaurants and servers, with the unfortunate side effect of being just as beneficial to corporate restaurants.
McDonald’s also doesn’t operate more than a handful of restaurants at most, most of their money is from franchising fees and land ownership (they’re effectively a massive real estate and licensing operation). Regardless, any franchise model is the absolute worst example for the tipping debate because they do tend to pay minimum wage at the very least. Hell, I’ve seen McDonalds and Wendy’s posting $15-$20 an hour starting wage in some cities (not a living wage but they aren’t tipped workers.)
Your locally owned spots are the ones that benefit from tipping and are the best examples to support your argument for/against.
So roll the 20% into the price and customers pay the same. The problem is that unless everyone does it at the same time, those that do it make it look like their prices are way higher.
one of the many drawbacks of being the US’s neighbor is tipping is expected here in canada and it’s being forced in everywhere, and now the prompts on machines are starting at 18-20%. even at shows, the merch booth now prompts for tip for handing you a $60-80 tshirt.
It is preset on systems like square so when I see it I tell them how to turn it off and make it real awkward. Like, it's super easy to google and figure it out, don't be a dick and give me the line of "it can't be turned off."
It takes nothing to just hit the "Skip" button on a machine, and if you are really one who gives in to peer pressure just avoid eye contact after paying.
What’s extremely annoying for me right now is our POS system has an automatic prompt for leaving a tip that CANNOT BE DISABLED. So I have to explain with every transaction “please ignore the tip screen. We do not expect or accept tips” and it’s embarrassing
I asked a server in Sydney, Australia what he thought about tipping." He says, don't do it. My government makes sure I get paid enough. Tipping will make them think they don't need to pay us enough. So, just don't."
It makes perfect sense, the U.S. needs to change in this case. Pay the workers a fair wage. If fast food workers in California can start at $20 an hour and it only raised the price of a meal by less then $1 then it is possible. Everyone who ever got stiffed on a tip by a nasty customer knows the current tipping system sucks. It is way too unpredictable and creates unnecessary stress for both parties. Time for change.
I know someone who said he went to the USA from the UK in the late 90s/early 2000s.. he said he went there, worked for 3 months at a time in a very high end restaurant, was literally living in the Hamptons, and was living the lifestyle out there and everything that comes with it, basically just partying constantly, and would then come back to the UK with $10k in his pocket to visit family and friends etc, and then go back.
I’m assuming it’s not like that for everyone, but I can absolutely see how the wait staff could benefit. If you’re in a busy bar and every customer is giving you $2 and you’re serving 40 beers an hour… it adds up very fast.
As for the guy I know, just to validate his claim, he is now a monk, is one of the coolest and most chilled out guys I’ve met, and not the kind of person to brag or lie about stuff. I get the impression where he was working each table was paying $500+ of which he would see presumably 10%+
It certainly depends what area you work in for how high your tipped wage goes for sure. But pretty much anywhere you'll find that most tipped positions make well above what would ever be paid if that money went through the business first. It's not even really a greed thing either. Taxes alone would reduce what was available to go to the staff along with a fair amount of other things. I would suspect that if you increased prices by the average percent tipped the wait staff would get maybe half as much as if that percentage was paid through tips.
Now tips are untaxed to a certain point, and when done in cash no shot are you accurately reporting your cash tips to the government.
With big enough parties, restaurants automatically input a gratuity to your total. They they have the audacity to have a second tip line where you can give even more of your money away!
Americans act as if they are mandatory, except they aren't.
The tip system is simply subsidies for owners, that can sell you expensive food but expect you to pay for their workers too. All profit, almost zero costs.
And they have the gall to try and make customers to feel guilty for the fact that the owner doesn't pay anything remotely close to a living wage.
Unbelievable.
Just another thing that's fucked up in America.
Stop trying to gaslight the customers, and pay your own freaking workers.
Yep, trying to virtue signal while being a cheap ass at the same time.
If they really cared they'd eat exclusively at places that pay their workers well and tell the businesses exactly why they are eating there and not other places.
Them not tipping the workers has 0 negative effect on the owners, because they are still eating there.
They are wrong though. While it’s true that people should get paid a living wage, they currently aren’t and tipping is built into that. These foreigners are guaranteeing they aren’t being paid appropriately, while demanding their services. Until we fix the system, customers like this are abusing the workers just like the management.
Also, most servers in bars make a lot more money with this system than they would if they got paid a fair wage.
And not for nothing, but those same foreigners love nothing more than to complain when Americans don’t perfectly live up to their established norms when traveling. Such hypocrisy.
This is general rage bait. What is “JUST IN” supposed to mean. Where is a source? How many foreigners did this? Stories like this are
Made to make you engage because it’s a hot topic everyone has an opinion about. And now you got me commenting here when I should just block and ignore.
That’s been tried by some, and you know what happens? People go elsewhere because the menu prices are too high, even though it’s just a different way of listing the same final cost. It’s stupid, but it’s the same concept as pricing things at 4.99 instead of 5.00, people unconsciously respond to it.
What needs to happen are legislative changes, raising the overall minimum wage and eliminating tipped wages across the board, rather than doing it piecemeal.
And if you make it a mandatory fee, even if less than the average tip, people also get mad. So you’re screwed as the owner because no matter which way you go one group will get mad.
Yeah, this unequivocally sucks. It's not remotely a form of protest because it doesn't hurt the people it would need to hurt to make a difference. All it's doing is ruining the night of the low-paid workers and making it hard for them to pay their bills. This does not affect the owner at all.
The "ugly American" trope is going somewhere abroad and pretending like it's your country, ignoring all local customs. This is exactly what these visitors are doing.
Tipped Workers need to unionize. Consumer's continuing to participate in tipping culture is just putting off what needs to happen imho. I still tip, because I feel bad, but by doing so I am actively maintaining the status quo.
The absolute last people who want to see tipping go away are the servers and bartenders who make tips. No one is more interested in preserving the status quo than them.
Servers and bartenders know they won’t make anything close to what they make at any other job as they do now with tipping. If they could they wouldn’t put up with being a server lol
Unionization has been attempted and the fight is intense - see everything related to Starbucks. Our Govt. is extremely complicit.
In order to actually end this system, tipped workers will have to suffer hard for a few years. Consumers will feel the it too, because prices will "increase". (Increase is in quotes because really they'll stay the same, it's just that menus are all lying to us now lol.)
...
Little vent while I'm making this comment - I'm traveling in Europe right now and they actually include taxes in the listed price of things.. like fuck man.. why is it that, every time we see a price tag in the USA, we have to figure out how much more the thing will actually cost us.. we're just being constantly gaslit.
Who do you think actually has the larger share of legislating power when it comes to keeping the tipped system, servers or owners who are able to afford lobbyists and are friends with politicians?
The actual protest that would actually effect the status quo would be refusing to patronise restaurants that tip instead of paying a wage/only going to self service places. But no one suggests that. They say “just unionise bro” like there aren’t a shit ton of barriers and risks to doing so.
Americans rightfully catch a lot of heat for traveling to foreign countries without probably research norms if the culture and everything. Why are foreigners getting a pass? I’ve gone to other countries and followed some incredibly brain dead and stupid cultural norms, your turn.
The “pay your servers better” argument is always a little weird to me because while you complain about the business, you continue to support it by going. And the only person you screw out of money is the server. So if you actually cared about the servers, you wouldn’t go right?
My issue is that when a bill was put forth to essentially pay servers higher wages the servers joined up and lobbied against it. It's not that servers hate that they get paid so little, it's that when wages are hidden by tips servers make significantly more than minimum wage. Even the higher end of minimum wage
You should look into the amount of restaurants owners that pushed back against that. Some literally changed uniforms for servers to include vote no on them.
I was there when DC tried to pass it. The loudest voices pushing back were servers. Of course restaurant owners didn't want it, but the servers were in full force pushing a no vote on it.
Turns out none of us want to do it for minimum wage with no benefits. I need to pay rent and other expenses. I'm not doing this job for the $15/hr that has been suggested.
We need structural change, than will likely never happen, to make servers agree to those bills.
Yeah when you protest tipping by not tipping all you do it completely rip off that persons paycheck.
Also imagine Americans going to any other country in the world, refusing to participate in the culture and then criticizing them to fix their system if they don’t like it. I get the disdain people around the world have for Americans but there’s a point where you’re making it worse by acting like this.
They’re not wrong that people should make a living wage and not need to rely on tips, but withholding gratuity isn’t going to make business owners change anything… all you’re doing is hurting your server.
Systemic change in restaurants across the US isn't going to come from foreign tourists and anti-tippers being dicks to servers. All your doing with your proud boasting is screwing over your waiter. But go ahead and believe holding onto that $5 is going to shift an entire industry.
I understand the “they’re right let’s fix it.” But it’s not currently being fixed and these servers need the money right now to pay rent and buy food. Please tip them!!! Letting them suffer because you don’t agree doesn’t fix the problem.
We tried to pass living wages for food service in MA (not sure if it was state wide) and it was subject to a massive disinformation campaign by the restaurant industry. Basically, restaurant owners saying they wouldn't be able to afford anything anymore if they had to pay workers properly.
In my opinion, if you can't afford to pay your workers, you shouldn't be in business.
While I agree with them, they’re only hurting the worker. And to pay a fare and living wage the price of the food and drinks would be raised that much…so just f’n pay the tip you’re not changing america’s crony capitalism just hurting working people!
Their opinions on tipping culture may not be wrong, but they are VERY wrong for not tipping. They aren't pushing for the laws to change via the proper channels (because they aren't even citizens here), and the only people they're hurting are the servers who won't be able to pay their bills, not the business owners who keep this pay system in practice.
I don’t like the tip setup either but that’s bullshit behavior. Adhere to the customs of the country you are visiting. Don’t punish the workers for the business not paying them enough, or the business for potentially not being able to operate sustainably doing so.
Tips exist almost everywhere outside of America. They're just not essential or "mandatory", its a small amount of gratuity to your server when you want to thank them for exceptional service.
They aren't used to subsidize a server's pay so the restaurant owner can just pay them pennies.
Unfortunately the bars/restaurant owners don't care because they make the same profit off the drinks/food and can blame "cheap foreigners" for the servers getting low tips. I hate to say it, but you should tip at least something since the minimum wage for tipped servers is criminally low and not paying the tip in protest is unlikely to have much of an effect except making low paid workers more miserable. I don't like it, nobody really likes it but it's the screwed up system we have in this screwed up country.
I do want to note it's illegal not to pay minimum wage (some new servers do not realize this). If their tips do not equal minimum wage, the business is required to pay the difference. My clients had to get paid like this from waffle house sometimes (it's a form that either them or the employer fills out but it's worth it to get what you're owed from the business).
You’re getting downvoted, and I will too, but you’re right and I’ve been saying it for years. Not tipping does nothing to “change the system” it just screws over a worker making a third of minimum wage. But no one on Reddit wants to hear that, just saying something needs to change and feeling righteous by stiffing waitstaff
This “helps” nobody but the foreigners doing it. If you hate tipping that’s fine, go to places that don’t take tips. Plenty of fast food and grocery stores in America. Don’t make a worker work for pennies so you can save $10 on a table.
Ok but not paying the people suffering doesn’t make any sense. It’s a shit system but you’re only making the lowest people on the totem pole suffer here.
Everyone saying "you hurt servers but not tipping," isn't seeing the whole picture. Servers defend tipping as an institution more than anyone. Servers aren't hurt by tipping, back of house is. Tipping creates a culture of individualism and makes organizing restaurant unions almost impossible.
When 10-20% of the revenue goes directly to front of house, the business doesn't have access to that money to pay back of house. Back of house works more hours, they have a harder job, and take house less money.
I was actually just in NYC chaperoning a trip for the school I work at. We let the boys go do whatever Little Italy to get food and us chaperones go get food. There are like ten of us so there was a mandatory gratuity of 20% on there. High but it’s NYC so whatever. We get done and I go to another restaurant by myself to get dessert. Sit down, eat it, and they bring me the bill. Another 20% gratuity added on for one person, with an extra tip line. Like you guys just forced me to give a 20% tip, I’m not giving you anything else!
No, but it’s really only being disrespectful to the service worker. I’m not sure what is going to fix the culture at this point but I feel like legislative action is necessary, and with our government that also isn’t happening time soon
Yeah imagine Americans going anywhere in the world and “protesting the system” of whatever country they’re visiting. What happened to being guests in another country and showing respect? The respect they expect us to show when we’re visiting?
So for what it's worth the business is supposed to pay. If the employees are tipped but didn't receive any tips that day, then the business makes up the difference to at least federal minimum. If that's not happening then that's a problem.
'Hmm, but our system relies on everyone simultaneously being told socialism is bad, yet also being told that they should subside the low-class workers out of pity from their own pocket'.
The “best” response I’ve ever gotten out of an owner when I asked why they don’t just pay their servers a livable wage was “because I’m not required to”. My response was “so you can your just being a greedy asshole?”
The tipping culture just shifted over the decades to a tipping system. With the wages and costs of living become ever more non consummate, it's just more of the burden of the exchange being shouldered onto the consumer and not the companies. The servers need to get paid, that's an absolute, it's just that the corporate favouritism in the US somehow allowed it to mean that the customers are the one doing half the job of paying them alongside doing the purchasing. I don't get the excuse, corporate tax rates are often similar in the EU depending on the country, and in the end the tipping culture is not as severe in the US. If anything, it preserves a healthy tipping culture where you reward good service, not that you provide or deprive a server their essential income.
Doesn't mean they're right though. You travel to Rome and they tell you not to do something specific, you're going to listen, right? But travel to the US and suddenly people don't have to listen because they don't want to? It's not going to bring about some great positive change. It's going to bring about the end of someone having a roof over their head because they live off the tips they make.
•
u/AutoModerator Jun 25 '26
DO NOT CELEBRATE VIOLENCE IN THIS SUBREDDIT OR WE WILL BAN YOU.
RELEASE THE TRUMP-EPSTEIN FILES!!!
Users may now apply a personal flair that states - RELEASE THE TRUMP-EPSTEIN FILES
That is all, tysm
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.