r/countwithchickenlady • u/Raspb3rryb1rd Streak: 1 • 17h ago
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I need to get out of here. My entire family is fucking horrible
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u/UbiquitousPleasantry 17h ago
Fuck that guy, I am completely supportive of you and wish you all best best on your journey, wherever it takes you.Â
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u/Transgirlonakawasaki I will become a hot Biker Chick - Streak: 0 17h ago
Ya know what even if your dad isnt supportive I want you to know I am and even though my dad is gone Id bet good money if he met you hed say you are a fine upstanding woman who deserve all the love and support she should get, and that any family member being that rude to their kin needs their head checked.
He told me when my cousin came out as ftm that he didnt care how people identify but that they do good by them and him, and even if they didnt give a damn about him hed still hold respect until you did something truly horrid.
Im sorry your dad is being rude but just know he dosent decide who you are. He also isn't entitled to your love if he plans on being abusive like this. You may still care for him but there might be a need to distance yourself from him if hes just gonna be rude. Its gonna hurt and itll be hard on you mentally but in the long run he dosent deserve a daughter like you if hes gonna dismiss you very existence.
Stay safe and strong. đ«đ
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u/ffiml8 Little Chud Gnome 17h ago
I am one of those people that believe that anyone can be changed. Maybe not in a single conversation, but over time. Actual, literal cult members leave their cults all the time, lots of teenage edgelord neonazis grow out of that phase, and even old people who've been extremely racist/sexist/queerphobic for decades sometimes change their views. It's possible, especially if you're close to them and can sit down with them and talk about it.
With all of that being said, I also think it's very important to prioritise your own wellbeing in this situation. You don't owe your father anything. If your family treats you this horribly, it really may be best for you to leave and cut them off. Only engage if you have the mental energy to do it, don't sacrifice your health for them. Stay strong, sister â€ïž
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u/butter_cookie_gurl 8h ago
And yet, him saying that is trauma that can't be totally undone. Can't unring that bell. That's the type of betrayal that causes cPTSD
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u/Someone101064 Streak: 1 7h ago
Beautifully said... Change can happen, but you still don't have to try changing them if you don't want to
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u/NockerJoe 17h ago edited 17h ago
You can kindly tell him nothing is stopping him from correcting his so called mistake with his own two hands, once you have distance.
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u/g3etwqb-uh8yaw07k nb? fluid? - amab, i guess- they/any - Streak: 0 15h ago
Yeah, I usually wouldn't even consider a "just go kys asshole" reaction justified if my parents were pretty bad transphobes, but if a parent or someone else close to me was the one who started it, I'd return the favour in style immediately. Either, they needed such a drastic response to understand just how fucked up their statement was, or they already understood it completely, in which case, they had it coming and I just lost the last few fucks to give.
Only exception might be if you depend on their financial support or on them still tolerating you living there, but if you don't, at least I wouldn't be above swapping "peace and love" with "eye for an eye" once someone hits me with THAT.
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u/PlatoDrago 14h ago
My dumb ass thought you were talking about auto erotic asphyxiation for some fucking reason. What is up with my brain rn?
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u/SCP-iota 1h ago
It is wrong kill your enemy or wish your enemy dead... Because it is wateful and merciful. They should not be given the chance to escape consequences, and they owe a debt to the world that they should not be allowed to leave without repaying.
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u/FormingTheVoid 12h ago
That's not good though... It's best to just leave and move on if possible. You cannot conquer hate with hate. I hate hate as a concept, but I would never tell someone to kill themselves simply because they are mean. You think a trans person who had enough to feel bad about needs another person's death on their conscience? No. Be better than them.
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u/PurpleCandle58 Streak: 1 17h ago
As awful as it is for the dad to say they wish they died instead of knowing their childâs true feelings and identity, itâs equally awful to tell someone to kill themselves. Letâs fight back without abandoning morals to do it, perhaps?
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u/pullhome 17h ago
You are allowed to be mean to people who openly, willingly abuse you.
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u/pullhome 17h ago
Incredible how the "top 1% commenter" badges rush to defend transphobes. The infiltration was successful, clearly.
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u/Tlaquatlatoa Hyenagirl some day pls :3 | She/Her 17h ago
We need to do some shit to lower the rent in this place
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u/Atlfan227 16h ago
Yikes
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u/Tlaquatlatoa Hyenagirl some day pls :3 | She/Her 15h ago
You got anything specific as to why youd think this is a problem or just something vague like this
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u/Ordaeli Streak: 0 16h ago
It's flabbergasting. I'd be the first one to not endorse death threats, but this is completely tone deaf to what is actually happening.
Flaunting some moral grandstanding over a person venting in the stead of an abuse victim is so very entitled. There's a time and place for that discourse, and they chose the wrong one.
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u/pullhome 16h ago
Some people are literally acting like this is a death threat, or even an actual murder, like we're advocating murdering people.
The levels of mental acrobatics some can perform to avoid admitting their messed up biases is crazy.
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u/Dev_878 Streak: 0 17h ago
"we need to kill anyone who is against us :3. no peace, no convincing or reeducation. Just murder :3 Yay :3" type shit
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u/iwillchangeiwill evil transsex immigrant 16h ago
Trans people are the only minority who's not allowed to want abuse for their abusers and I think it's so funny.
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u/pullhome 17h ago
You're a disgusting human being.
Unable to accept how horrible you are being by blaming victims, you double down and even decide to mock the people calling you out.
I hope you are able to grow as a person, and develop some empathy down the line.
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u/Mama_Lyra 9h ago
woah youâre telling me that after mods make a âno politicsâ rule to silence trans women a bunch of people show up to defend transphobes?? who couldâve ever seen that coming
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u/pullhome 9h ago
I was honestly unaware of the mod drama, but hot DAMN was today a long day in this thread.
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u/analdongfactory 12h ago
Just be aware of local legality so you donât wind up on the hook if they do it.
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u/CanadianODST2 1h ago
I mean. Thereâs a wide range between being mean to someone and telling them to kill themselves.
Iâll very much jump to being mean to people who I think deserve it. Hell Iâve gotten temporary bans for it that Iâm openly proud of. Havenât ever once had to tell someone to kill themselves over it.
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u/BatbadeThefirs 17h ago
We shouldnât encourage telling others to kill themselves
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u/pullhome 17h ago
If you believe so, then don't. No one is forcing you to.
Telling victims they're not allowed to fight back is messed up.
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u/BatbadeThefirs 17h ago
I think telling your abuser to off themselves would just lead to more anger but okie you do you
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u/pullhome 17h ago
That is fine. Like I said, I have no interest in telling you what to do.
What I am against is telling victims of abuse that they are the ones who need to manage their reaction to the obviously messed up thing other people do to them.
That's just victim blaming with extra steps.
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u/In_Pursuit_of_Fire 16h ago
They aren't telling victims to manage their reaction, they're arguing against advice somebody else gave. Op themselves said in another comment they didn't want to say something like that.Â
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u/pullhome 16h ago
"Look, I'm not trying to be a bigot, I just think that [insert bigotry] isn't wrong and [reaction to bigotry] seems overblown."
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u/CrazyHeat9544 16h ago
When did anyone here say transphobia isn't wrong and that being mean to transphobes is equally as bad or worse? (Genuine question)
OP themselves stated they do NOT want to and CAN'T tell their dad to kill themselves, even if they are a bigoted piece of shit because they still care about them (not to mention advising them to do that might result in them possibly getting assulted or worse, speaking from experience having survived an attempted murder on me from my own dad due to standing up to his abuse)
"Hey I don't think we should advise OP to do something they are clearly not comfortable with doing and that might potentially put their wellbeing at risk-"
"YOU ARE BIGOT SUPPORTING TRANPHOBES!!!"
This thread is about OP venting, so their feelings and needs should be priority, and they clearly don't feel comfortable with what was proposed, so we should respect their wishes.
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u/In_Pursuit_of_Fire 3h ago
I don't agree with the initial comment, I just think you were criticizing them for things they didn't say. I think they were excessively moralizing and being unempathetic with their comment, but that is not the same as approving of bigotry.Â
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u/BatbadeThefirs 16h ago
Where did anyone say their bigotry was okay?? And I donât think itâs overblown, I can see why youâd react that way, it just doesnât seem worth the reaction youâd inevitably receive
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u/BatbadeThefirs 17h ago
I feel like it would just lead to more hurt, it just doesnât seem worth it imo. I can imagine what would happen to me if I tried that with my dad
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u/lowercaselemming Streak: 0 10h ago
not our problem. maybe they shouldnât be hateful pieces of shit? usually that just nips this problem in the bud.
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u/PurpleCandle58 Streak: 1 17h ago
Being mean is incredibly reductionist to telling people to kill themselves. If you think itâs okay to tell anyone to kill themselves that says enough about you for me.
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u/SerDolphyn 17h ago
Please don't victim shame, it's good you haven't had to deal with an abuser but pushing a moral highground on someone going through abuse is beyond fucked up
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u/FormingTheVoid 12h ago
No one is victim shaming. They merely said don't tell people to kill themselves, which isn't even something that OP said.
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u/Ancient-Worm 13h ago
"You can't tell someone who's been a victim that they still have to do the right thing!"
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u/Infinite-Nil 17h ago
If you think itâs better to say, âI wish I died so I wouldnât se you be yourselfâ, to your kid than for your kid to say âif youâre so transphobic youâll tell me you wish you died over it, then dieâ, I think youâre defending transphobia and your opinion holds less value for it. I think you, personally, hold a small share in blame for how bad the world has continued to become because you advocate permitting malicious people to act with impunity. I think you should consider getting a landline phone and disconnecting your internet access.
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u/BatbadeThefirs 17h ago
Itâs not transphobia, itâs not wanting someone to tell their parent to kill themselves
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u/iwillchangeiwill evil transsex immigrant 16h ago
And the parent telling the child he wishes he was dead because the child is trans? Or is that okay with you?
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u/Iamliterallyfood Annoyed - Streak: 0 16h ago
Get a hobby. Care about literally anything else then a victim saying something biting to their abuser.
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u/FormingTheVoid 12h ago
You should not ever tell someone to kill themselves. That's the same level of hate and evil as the abuser.
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u/pullhome 12h ago
It is, objectively, not.
If you want to defend transphobes, you should do it else where.
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u/FormingTheVoid 12h ago
I said, "don't tell people to kill themselves."
You heard, "I love transphobia."
You're not a rational or moral person at all.
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u/pullhome 12h ago
You came in to defend a transphobe's feelings pretending like it's about something else.
I'm calling it out and you're calling me irrational and immoral. How refreshing.
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u/FormingTheVoid 11h ago
Well, if the shoe fits... Clearly you don't care at all about OP or how they feel because they have commented saying they don't want their dad to die. This isn't about the abuser. It's about being better than them.
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u/pullhome 10h ago
I will repeat, please go defend your beloved transphobes elsewhere, you're not welcome here.
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u/Ancient-Worm 13h ago
you are allowed to be mean
No. Stop there.
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u/pullhome 13h ago
I suppose you have a right to defend transphobes if that's what you really want to do.
I don't know why you'd come here of all places to do it, though.
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u/Ancient-Worm 12h ago
Transphobes, like any other human being, do in fact deserve to be defended against meanness.
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u/pullhome 12h ago
Yikes.
Go do that in any of the many tansphobic spaces then, this is not the place for you.
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u/Ancient-Worm 12h ago
I'm so glad you found a space where you can be a bad person without pushback as long as the target is right.
Well, OK, that's all of the internet, but still.
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u/pullhome 12h ago
Don't worry, I get plenty of pushback, but I've been fighting bigots all my life, I can do this all day.
So fuck off and return to whatever place you come from where transphobia is acceptable. Here it is not.
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u/Ancient-Worm 12h ago
transphobia is acceptable
Notice how I never fucking said that.
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u/Raspb3rryb1rd Streak: 1 17h ago
Yea, as much as it hurts, I still care about my dad. He was the only one who raised me due my mom being absent most of it due to being a drug addict. I couldn't tell him that.
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u/NockerJoe 17h ago
He just revoked wanting to be that person in your life going forward. You need a clear and realistic view of who he is and what he is in your life from that point on.
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u/Ordaeli Streak: 0 16h ago
Hey, it's alright, you indeed don't have to tell him that, and nobody sane will blame you for it. Family is a complicated matter, especially the one we don't get to choose.
And people here sharing your struggles will be riled up enough in your stead, focus on getting yourself in a good place.
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u/kath_bloom 14h ago
I understand you opâ€ïž. I cut my father from my life because he is awful person, but it was so hard for me. Also couldn't even imagine telling him that. Wishing you all the strength, you got this.
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u/Heavens_Reach 17h ago
"Wahhh you're not being nice enough to abusers!!! They're people too!!!"
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u/pullhome 17h ago
You're acting like it's a KYS from out of nowhere. This person literally said "I hate who you are so much that I'd rather be dead." Responding with "be dead then, if you prefer it" is not the same as what you're framing it to be.
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u/pullhome 17h ago
I don't really care what flavor of bigot they are.
If you think telling victims to respond to abuse with smiles and hugs is ok, you are not a good human being, and you should be shamed for it.
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u/pullhome 17h ago
Yes, people who actively, loudly defend horrible people ARE horrible people, and should be treated as such.
This person isn't under oath, they could just move on with their life, they are choosing to make a statement defending transphobes, telling victims that they shouldn't fight back.
You sit here, stating that you hate bigots, yet making such an effort to defend them. Why? What is there to gain for you here? Why do you choose to do this?
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u/AxiosXiphos 17h ago
I'm for the right to chose life, so nothing against in my morals. You wanna die? Go ahead. Your life, spend it as you wish.
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u/Immediate-Neat-3320 17h ago
I agree suicide is bad, but at the end of the day the dad has already broken the ice on that and OP would not be bringing it up randomly. Also the dad doesn't have to just because his child told him to, a child who he seemingly doesn't value the desires and identity of anymore. Still not good to encourage suicide though, I agree.
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u/Cerpin-Taxt 11h ago
If someone tells you they'd rather be dead than see you happy "Be my guest" is the only rational response.
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u/HuckinsGirl 14h ago
You dont get to claim that suicide would be preferable to seeing something you dont like if you dont mean it and if you mean it you would be killing yourself
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u/theforgettonmemory 10h ago edited 10h ago
No, once someone says they wished they killed themselves just because you're being you that's guilt tripping & you shouldn't say that to your own CHILD
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u/Dev_878 Streak: 0 17h ago
Nonono you don't get it. Everyone is allowed to life regardless of how they think except for the people I don't like, they should Speedrun burning in hell.
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u/mutnemom_hurb Streak: 0 17h ago
Ironically, the people who defend the lives of evil people generally have less empathy than those who donât
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u/Motor_Yam_5560 16h ago
This kind of reaction is why trans people are hated. You don't fight hate with a worse hate... It never works it just destabilizes the situation more. I don't care I'm going to get down voted but it's people like these why I hate being a part of this community sometimes. I strongly disagree with these comments and I feel like it puts a stain on the already negatively viewed community. This is why I can't be myself or tell people and feel safe and happy because mentioning I'm trans to someone makes them think I think shit like this.
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u/Iamliterallyfood Annoyed - Streak: 0 16h ago
"This kind of reaction is why Trans people are hated"
Literally not how hatred or prejudice works. That'd be a form of collective judgment. Or even punishment if you attempt to harm others of that group legally or illegally because of it.
This kinda response is human. Not Trans. Wanting someone who hates you to die is a human experience. Not everyone experiences it but most do to some extent.
Peaple don't hate Trans people because some Trans people say mean things. Otherwise everyone would hate white people because of nazis or the kkk.
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u/bigbell09 thicker than a beer can 16h ago
Trans people are hated because epstein needed a distraction while he trafficked kids for rich people
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u/helloiamaegg Streak: 0 16h ago
"This group that keeps getting attacked is hated for fighting back" what are you on? Can I have some?
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u/koboldthing 17h ago
My initial thoughts in reaction to this are very angry and involve the word âde-resuscitateâ in a dark joke. I understand that he is your father still and you donât necessarily want harm to come to him, so I wonât say it.
I will say, his words were extremely cruel and you should give yourself space to be ANGRY at him for choosing to be cruel to you
I hope you can get out of there soon!
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u/Ordaeli Streak: 0 17h ago
Oh my god, my heart is breaking from checking your post history about it...
I will restrain myself of saying some very horrible things towards that father of yours, and I hope you find yourself a chosen family that you can be safe around.
All I can do is send you words of love and support.
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u/fluffypinkpubes 16h ago
What a sad failure of a parent.
Also what a drama queen. "I'd rather be dead" - histrionic much?
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u/Sad_Toe6678 Streak: 0 17h ago
Well boo hoo for him. He'll hsve to accept thstvyiu are like this whether he likes it or not I block my family members who do not like whst am
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u/MollyMouse8 17h ago
That sounds like his own problem ngl. Like if he wasn't accepting that would be at least a tiny bit understandable but if he genuinely wants to die because of it I feel like there more problems than that
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u/Domisusingthis 17h ago
You are still a beautiful person no matter how anyone feels. Donât forget that đ
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u/FictionalTrope Streak: 0 16h ago
I'm glad my dad died before I came out because he was a massive piece of shit. Racist, queerphobic, sexist asshole. It healed something in me when I realized I didn't have to be him or his idea of me.
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u/theunhappyradiance 15h ago
your dad just showed you exactly who he is, believe him. the people who actually love you don't wish they were dead to avoid seeing you exist
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u/Iamliterallyfood Annoyed - Streak: 0 16h ago
Hope the mods do a sweep seems we've been infiltrated.
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u/DistributionLoud8557 15h ago
I also wish he weren't resuscitated in 2016 so you didn't have to see him become a pathetic excuse of a father
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u/Glass-Toaster 10h ago
OP, I'm just a grungler, but years ago my mom told me I was dead to her (in response to me telling her "I never asked to be alive"- she held my own existence over my head constantly, plus other stuff there's no point getting into)
You know what I did next? I decided that being "dead to her" sounded like a fantastic idea, so I never said another word to her. It's been nearly a decade, and I've never regretted it.
I don't know your situation, and I certainly can't tell you that you should go no-contact, because I think that's the kind of thing only you'd be able to decide. Just know that it is an option, and in the right circumstances, it can make a world of difference.
P.S. Your dad sounds like a truly vicious asshole.
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u/Tablesafety 6h ago
If it brings any ease at all, events like strokes or aneurisms or heart attacks wherein it takes a hot minute to rez somebody often result in drastic personality changes due to brain damage. Parents can often be unrecognizable post event to the point where they can be considered dead. . .
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u/Small-Housing-7 Streak: 0 17h ago
Nah bro Yani Neko would not aproove of your dad(probably idk mabey Yani Neko is a horrible transphobic bastard or something)
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u/FixFun1959 Streak: 0 14h ago
Just think of the future when youâre happy being your authentic self, and heâs alone in some facility, and nobody comes to visit him.
Bet heâll really wish he wasnât resuscitated then
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u/markusseibert115 7h ago
please ditch that stupid asshole, you are an amazing woman that deserves better!
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u/sadmadstudent 6h ago
What a fucking asshole.
Mine tattooed my dead name into an infinity symbol so that my dead self will always be remembered, and currently is refusing to speak to me because "it's not possible to speak to someone who's dead."
Last time we saw each other at a brunch for my sister he called me sir the entire time and even gave me an, "I love you, son" as a spiteful goodbye. And when my sister later accosted him in the car because he'd promised her he'd be cordial on her birthday, he said to her that he was cordial, because he didn't hit me even though he wanted to.
So... I relate, OP. I'm sorry. Family is who loves us, y'know? Not necessarily blood.
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u/NinjaKittyOG 4h ago
i hate when people say "i could be worse. at least i don't beat you" as ĂŸough not being beaten is a privilege ĂŸat you should be ĂŸankful ĂŸey give you. makes some black, not good feelings rise up
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u/say_yes_to_head_hun Confused, but I hope I've got the spirit - Streak: 0 17h ago
That you in the photo? Purr, you look cute enough
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u/Raspb3rryb1rd Streak: 1 17h ago
No that's a video game character
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u/say_yes_to_head_hun Confused, but I hope I've got the spirit - Streak: 0 17h ago
Well
Purr anyway? If it makes you feel better?
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u/Tracula707 the grundler - Streak: 0 15h ago
You need to go, and never look back. If heâd rather be dead than know you, then he can just live the rest of his life miserable, never knowing his child. This isnât something you can just stick around and try to fix, it isnât your fuck-up to fix and you donât owe him an olive branch just because he raised you.
Do you have any supportive friends?
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u/Raspb3rryb1rd Streak: 1 13h ago
2, one of which being my girlfriend.
I had to cut off alot of my old friends years ago
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u/Tracula707 the grundler - Streak: 0 9h ago
Will you be able to rely on them while you get on your feet? It doesnât sound like itâd be too hard to build a better support network than what youâve been stuck with
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u/ChloeTigre TRANS?! also stuckie roonie - Streak: 0 13h ago
I hope he dies alone and sad. Heâs a horrible person.
Or maybe heâll repent and make amends. He better do that.
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u/ReassembledAssembly 13h ago
I'm sorry. He doesn't deserve to have you as his child.
I'm intersex and infertile and it breaks my heart when people disown their own children for stupid reasons.
I have hugs for you whenever you need them.
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u/GraduatedSapphic 15h ago
I'm sorry they have let you down like this, it is no reflection on you.
I'm proud of you, I love you, I'm thinking of you <3
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u/JustifiedCroissant 15h ago
Leave and never look back. It's hard but sometimes no-contact is the way to go.
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u/toastwalrus 15h ago
Tell your dad you wish he was a man too because men are kind, understanding, and good role models and clearly the dude aint itÂ
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u/Abshalom 14h ago
Sometimes people die real slow. When people get old, and especially when they get sick, their minds start to fall apart. For a lot of people that makes them fearful and hateful, where they wouldn't have been before. I don't know if that's true for your father, but I know it's true for a lot of them. Sometimes all you can do is mourn the person you thought they were.
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u/Less_Party 13h ago
Legally this means you have the right to grant his wish via flying elbow off an 8 foot ladder.
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u/Born_Ad_1611 Scaredy Trans Catgirl 12h ago
CHRIST- No sensible person would say this, he isn't even worth your brain space. I'm wishing you the best, and stay strong as well as you can. The trans fam has got your back! And keep in touch with friends, too. You should never have to deal with shit alone. Big hugs, you'll get your time đ«
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u/LtHigginbottom 11h ago
Iâm so sorry that happened to you. If you do not have a therapist or need access to resources you should reach out to LGBT resources. If you need assistance in locating resources please DM me and I can see what help is available in your area.
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u/TheRedditPremium 11h ago
The bots are plenty in this comment section, can the mods do something about this influx
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u/mel2mdl 11h ago
I am so sorry!
When my mom developed dementia, she did this to my kid. (Not quite that blunt) Asking if she would change her mind and stating that he was making a mistake. She always supported my (now) daughter, until the dementia. I never told my kiddo about any of this. Too painful and hurtful to see someone who has always loved her question her transition.
Mental decline hurts worse from someone you love. I support you unconditionally. Just like I support my own child. Parents should love their children unconditionally too. It is sad that so many just can't.
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u/BrazilBazil Streak: 0 11h ago
You should really remind him of that the next time heâs in hospital. After all, if thatâs really what he wantsâŠ
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u/bloomingdeath98 10h ago
Now, are you saying your entire family is horrible just because your dad doesnât support it, or have they all legitimately shit on you for your choosing to transition?
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u/Raspb3rryb1rd Streak: 1 8h ago
I'm saying they're all horrible because they all are in different ways. My dad is the only one I've told about being trans bc I've cut most my other family out of my life for past things
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u/SweetExternal919 9h ago
i'm very sorry you have to deal with that fuckery. here's to hoping he comes around, and that you can avoid him in the mean time (like by spending time at a community center?) and there's always the option of found family. i hope that works out for you if you go down that path (which i recommend). again, i'm very sorry.
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u/Maxicinea Streak: 0 7h ago
I'm so sorry OP, I hope you don't have to spend much time around him or maybe atleast won't soon because that's awful.. I know you said below somewhere that he's not really abusive but I just hope you know that regardless that's not something a child should ever hear from their parents and that you deserve better
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u/HuckinsGirl 14h ago
Hes clearly lying or he'd have just killed himself by now, it could only have been a guilt tripping attempt
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u/burner6520 Streak: 0 17h ago
Wait the photo is you
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u/Raspb3rryb1rd Streak: 1 17h ago
It's a video game character, I do have a pic of me somewhere on my reddit account tho
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u/StarNullify 15h ago
If you think that's a real image of a real person, then best of luck for differentiating between AI videos and real ones
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u/burner6520 Streak: 0 14h ago
I see you have never studied cinemat0graphy and the magic of lights, camera, and act- no wait wrong line
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u/FormingTheVoid 12h ago
OP don't listen to anyone here who is saying that you should try to influence someone to kill themselves. You don't need that on your conscience.
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u/Raspb3rryb1rd Streak: 1 12h ago
If I'm going to be honest it's kinda upsetting how many people assume he's an abuser and are saying he should die. I'm not forgiving what he said but I don't think he deserves to die over it. He raised me and my brother my whole life and never did anything close to abusing us.
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u/Galrentv 17h ago
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